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Delete userpages created by ru.wikiversity admin

Please delete the following:

Local admin user:SergeyJ created these pages (containing "this user has a bad reputation") for me and several other Russian Wikipedia users simply as a way to retaliate against users who criticized Ru.Wikiversity in a recent Ru.Wikipedia RFC concerning linking to Ru.Wikiversity from articles (see his complain here). Most of us did not make any edits in Wikiversity (some contibs will show imported edits).

Then he decided to abuse wikimail as well, adding meaningless {hello} to user_talk pages of the same users, knowing very well that the default setting (like in many smaller projects) is to send user an email when user_talk is changed. His other actions are covered in foundation-l.

Considering all this, reasoning with SergeyJ is rather pointless; for the record, I already put {{delete}} on my user pages but was reverted by him. The only other local admin hasn't edited for a month.

If I were a steward, SergeyJ would be speedy desysopped already, but all I'm asking right now is to delete those pages. If possible, please delete other users' pages as well. Sorry for the long story, I guess had to explain why I need steward's help here.

-AlexSm 03:55, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have requested he delete the pages at ru:Обсуждение участника:SergeyJ. I expect that as he is a responsible admin, he will realize his error and remove commentary which is both defaming and a conflict of interest, given that he has prior ill feelings towards you. Preferably, whatever issues you two have can be ironed out and continue to work together constructively in the future. Kylu 04:15, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Созданные страницы - это стандартный способ высказать личные предупреждения или благодарности в Викиверситете. Я не вижу причин, почему я должен удалять предупреждения, которые я оставил пользователям по той или иной причине. У нас есть правило, согласно которому нахождение данного шаблона на страницах участника и возможность высказать свои замечания - обязательно. [1]. Возможно слово "репутация" не очень удачно и лучше подходит "оценка сообществом"
The created pages is a standard way to state personal preventions or thanks in Vikiversitete. I don't see the reasons why I should delete preventions which I have left to users for any of several reasons. We have a rule according to which the finding of the given template on pages of the participant and possibility to state the remarks - is obligatory. [2] The word "reputation" not so successfully is possible and is better the "estimation community" approaches SergeyJ 09:05, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Obligatory due to a policy that you solely created, even though administrators have an obligation to avoid conflicts of interest? Ignoring the template on his userpage, v:Участник:Alex_Smotrov/Предупреждения contains your commentary which does not pertain to actions on Wikiversity at all. The comment on his talkpage was created before he had edited there, also. He requested these pages be deleted, but you not only ignored the request but removed them. You'll forgive me if this seems to be a move of vengeance to me rather than simply "following the rules" since attention was brought to your having blocked him before he was able to make a single edit, previously. Kylu 11:49, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Данного участника никто не блокировал. В остальном я думаю Вы заблуждаетесь, поясню чуть позже. Nobody blocked the given participant. In the rest I think you be mistaken, I will explain a bit later. SergeyJ 12:14, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
У меня нет конфликта интересов с данным участником. Он лишь неэтично ввел себя в Википедии, затем стал делать голословные обвинения в адрес Викиверситета. За это его мог предупредить любой участник сообщества, и то что я являюсь администратором к этому не имеет отношения. Не я создавал правила, а сообщество. Даже если бы я имел конфликт интересов (чего нет) почему невозможно согласно общей политики проектов оставлять сообщения другим ?
I don't have conflict of interests to the given participant. It has only unethically entered itself(himself) into Wikipedias, then began to do unfounded charges to Wikiversity. Any of the community could warn him for this, and it doesn't matter if I am the administrator. It wasn't me who created the rules, but the community. Even if I would have the conflict of interests (that isn't the case) why it is impossible to leave a message to other users according to the general policy of the projects? SergeyJ 12:23, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Certainly you can leave a message, but you left him a warning about his conduct on Wikipedia, a completely different project. Administer your project based on the edits performed on that project, please. This said, wouldn't you agree that the warnings based on Wikipedia actions are inappropriate and then should be removed? Kylu 12:33, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Так дело только в том, что это касается другого проекта ? So has put only what it concerns other project? SergeyJ 12:36, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Put warnings that apply to the project you're running, and give them the same leniency that you would be given on a different project. You're correct about the block, by the way... I was thinking of your block of Yaroslav Blanter, which had the reason "Угрозы, преследование участников: Оскорбления, не этичное поведение" - that terribly unreliable google translate says it's "Threats, harassment of participants: Insults, not ethical behavior" ... which don't seem to appear in his local contributions. Granted, I don't read Russian terribly well, but those look like template fixes, technical changes, and interwiki fixes. Kylu 12:38, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Тогда я не понимаю. Я ранее уже привлекал внимание к одному вопросу. Но мне сказали, что это личное дело локального проекта. В русской Википедии арбитражный коммитет не раз выносил решения, согласно которым участники были блокированы за действия вне проекта. Значит это не разрешено ? невозможно, нельзя ?
Then I don't understand. I already drew earlier attention to one question. But me have told that this private affair of the local project. In Russian Wikipedia the arbitration committee took out time and again decisions according to which participants have been blocked for actions out of the project. It means it is not authorized? It is impossible, it is impossible? SergeyJ 12:44, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Давайте попросим участника User:Millosh, чтобы он нам помог. Как я понял он понимает русский, и помог нам решить тогда вопрос с блокировкой Let's ask the participant User:Millosh that it has helped us. As I have understood it Russian understands, and has helped us to solve then a question with blocking SergeyJ 12:52, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Please make your comments made in Russian initially hidden, this is not a good way to maintain the conversation. -AlexSm 12:57, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Waiting for Millosh, then. My main concern was primarily that the warning seemed more politically based than being used to correct an issue on the local project. We could always open another RFC, if needed, I suppose. Kylu 13:00, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ruwiki Arbcom blocked users for their actions in ruwiki, while their actions on other sites (sush as insults and coordinated wiki harrasment) were just additional factors. Me and Yaroslav Blanter (as I said above) did not make a single edit in Wikiversity before August 2010, what you see on contribs page is all imported edits from ruwiki. -AlexSm 13:54, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Далее я буду писать по русски. (Further I will write in Russian. If something not clearly specify.) Проводился опрос w:ru:Википедия:Опросы/Блокировки_за_действия_на_внешних_ресурсах, итога по которому до сих пор нету. А заблокированные арбкомом уже были не однократно. В английском есть w:en:Wikipedia:Harassment#Off-wiki harassment:. Я не вижу различий делается это вовне или участниками другого проекта. При этом напоминаю, что в данном случае речь идет даже не о блокировке, а просто о предупреждении. Если мы поступаем так или иначе - то одинаково, не создавая двойных стандартов. Ничто не мешает подвести итог w:ru:Википедия:Опросы/Блокировки_за_действия_на_внешних_ресурсах как было сказано "Ruwiki Arbcom blocked users for their actions in ruwiki, while their actions on other sites (sush as insults and coordinated wiki harrasment) were just additional factors." Но проблема в том, что сообщество явно высказалась вообще за невозможность блокировки, а некоторые администраторы до сих пор опротестовывают это. А пока нет правил арбком как и ранее имеет право блокировать за это, а не только выносить предупреждения. SergeyJ 14:32, 24 August 2010 (UTC) [reply]
Все это конечно имеет косвенное отношение к данной узкой проблеме, но очевидным образом показывает, почему стало возможным предупреждать и блокировать за действия вне проекта, но наносящие вред проекту. SergeyJ 14:34, 24 August 2010 (UTC) [reply]
Just a small comment. There was a poll some time ago in Russian Wikipedia about blocking for off-wikipedia actions. The issue is very controversial, so we formed a "committee" of 6 wikipedians that work on summing up the arguments. We are going to expose results of our analysis in early September. Dr Bug (Vladimir V. Medeyko) 21:05, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Then we can wait. And to borrow Wikipedia experience. SergeyJ 21:42, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
May I suggest that we let Millosh weigh in here, and then if there's more discussion, we set up a RFC and move this section to it? As silly as it may sound, I'd really like the admins of various projects to get along and not...this sort of thing. Alex and Sergey, do you think it's possible that we can end up with some sort of peace from this? I might suggest that some actions trying to placate the other parties might be reasonable. Kylu 16:58, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Just to say that I've noticed this, but that I will be able to read documents and policies at the morning (in ~12 hours). --Millosh 19:18, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Эта проблема не столь простая как может сразу показаться. Поэтому действительно нужен RFC. Я всегда стремлюсь решить вопросы мирно. И это возможно, если Вы (стюарды) обратите на это внимание. Я просто хочу ясного положения вещей, а не так что Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi. Если можно запрашивать удаление личных страниц, то для всех. Если нельзя делать предупреждения и основываться на правках в другом проекте - то для всех. Если Вы (стюарды) сформулируете эти принципы - то участникам локальных проектов будет значительно проще, не будет конфликтов. А в данном случае, я просто хотел бы, чтобы Alex Smotrov не искажал бы факты о викиверситете, и это было бы основанием для принятия правил. Это ведет только в конфронтации, а не к миру.
This problem not so simple as can seem at once. Therefore it is really necessary RFC. I always aspire to solve questions peacefully. And it is possible, if you (stewards) pay to this attention. I simply want a clear state of affairs, instead of so Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi. If it is possible to request removal of personal pages, for all. If it is impossible to do preventions and to be based on editings in other project - that for all. If you (stewards) formulate these principles - that to participants of local projects will be much easier, there will be no conflicts. And in this case, I simply would like, that Alex Smotrov wouldn't distort the facts about Wikiversity, and it would be the basis for acceptance of rules. It conducts only in confrontation, instead of to the world. SergeyJ 17:29, 24 August 2010 (UTC) SergeyJ 17:29, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If this text is removed [4] I certainly will remove the prevention SergeyJ 17:38, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So you are offering to delete the pages as requested by Alex Smotrov if he retracts his comments on ru.wikipedia.org? Is it really appropriate for an admin to seemingly spread a dispute from one project to another? Adambro 17:42, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And here the administrator? My message is left as the usual participant who doesn't like distortion of the facts about Vikiversitete. SergeyJ 18:16, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Поясните тогда Вы, как я могу высказать замечание Alex Smotrov, что он сознательно искажает факты о Викиверситете ? Я ему высказал свое замечание, а конфликт создается им здесь, а не мной.
Explain then you how I can state remark Alex Smotrov, what he meaningly distorts the facts about Vikiversitete? I have stated it the remark, and the conflict is created by it here, instead of me. SergeyJ 18:21, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. Also I ask don't ignore my questions above. (И прошу не игнорируйте мои вопросы выше.) SergeyJ 18:22, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

russian Wikipedia against references on Wikiversity

The following discussion is closed.

Closed, as suggested by SergeyJ and Kylu SergeyJ 09:09, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

== War between russian Wikipedia and Wikiversity ==
  • Great way to assume good faith, Bolo1910. If you edit something that they don't like on Wikiversity, I'd be annoyed if they blocked you on Wikipedia, too. Project autonomy is great, but ultimately we're all supposed to be one large community, with (some) shared values and a sense of ethical fair play. Sadly, the latter tends to lack at times. Kylu 15:28, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Frankly, I don't think the section is constructive at all. Why not just not warn and block people for actions they took on other projects which have nothing to do with the project they're on? I suspect that characterizing this as a "war" is needlessly provocative and does little to instill peace and harmony between the projects. Please consider developing a solution instead. Kylu 17:29, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm trying to solve a problem. Please stop escalating the issue and accusing me of being biased. Again, instead of adding to the conflict, please try to develop a peaceful solution and add it to the ideas below. If you're merely wanting to continue the concept of a "wiki war" and don't plan on being constructive, please let me know. Kylu 19:47, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Я думаю нужно закрыть эту секцию. Нет ни каких проблем когда что то обсуждаю этично и без искажения фактов. Но не хорошо когда делают оскорбления, не этичные выпады или искажают факты. I think it is necessary to close this section. Isn't present what problems when that that I discuss ethically and without distortion of the facts. But it is not good when do insults, not ethic attacks or distort the facts. SergeyJ 17:46, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't mind if this unrelated thread is closed; it already demonstrated the attitude to this issue from some Wikversity users. -AlexSm 18:24, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The problem here really is, but solving all at once we won't solve any. SergeyJ 18:28, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Potential solutions

Allow courtesy blanking

  • Idea: As there is a policy (apparently) in place to forbid the deletion of archived pages, why not allow for courtesy blanking in certain circumstances, which would remove previous conflicts from being immediately visible, but would still be available in page history? Kylu 15:33, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    It would be good to see whether the policy (if it exists) has been discussed by the community or just introduced ad hoc by the only active sysop, SergeyJ--Yaroslav Blanter 15:36, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    It is a question first of all to ru. Wikipedija and the answer nobody has given to me. SergeyJ 15:59, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm hoping both Russian Wikipedia and Wikiversity will both allow this. Are you willing to allow this if they do? Kylu 17:26, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
For my part objections won't be. SergeyJ 17:38, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Мы видим, что мой оппонент ниже не согласен. Я не могу ничего с этим поделать. We see that my opponent doesn't agree more low. I can't do anything with it. Again w:en:Status quo ? SergeyJ 19:34, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Я считаю, что эту дискуссию AlexSm использует не для разрешения проблем, а как способ давить на меня, фактически поощряя его поведение которое он ведет в отношении Викиверситета.
I consider that this discussion AlexSm uses not for resolution of problems and as a way to press on me, actually encouraging its behavior which it conducts concerning Wikiversitety. SergeyJ 19:46, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I never heard SergeyJ asking ruwiki admins to delete his archive talk pages. This is not an issue: he can blank the pages and instead put links to revisions; for example, I use this method on my talk pages.
The problem is, he came up with this "condition" just to distract everybody, because there is a HUGE difference between user talk archives and, on the other hand, user pages, especially created with ill intentions, plus one user talk with insincere {hello} used fo sole purpose of spamming my wikimail.
-AlexSm 18:44, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also you can archive the pages in Wikiversity. But after all you don't want it. SergeyJ 18:49, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I already gave the reference [6]. SergeyJ 18:51, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
References to remote archives aren't necessary to me what that, and you to it force me. SergeyJ 18:53, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
And I think should pass at least some days for an archiving, and AlexSm wanted them to remove for the absurd reason "vandalism" SergeyJ 18:57, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I have requested archive removal (w:ru:Обсуждение_участника:SergeyJ/Архив/1), we will look, whether will create it for me problems. SergeyJ 19:07, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but your "arguments" are simply beyond absurdity again. 1) There is Nothing To Archive On My Talk Page, I never heard of a project that would force archiving of the {hello} template. 2) We are also talking about 2 user pages (not talk); using my user pages for discussions is your own "invention" that I do NOT want to use. 3) Do not pretend that you do not understand the difference between blanking and deletion, and that you do need links to old discussions on your talk page. -AlexSm 19:22, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Я еще раз вынужден вам напомнить, что в Викиверситете создание предупреждений через шаблон репутации - это стандартный способ. I am once again compelled to remind you that in wikiversity сreation of preventions through a reputation template is a standard way. SergeyJ 19:30, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Более того эти сообщения нельзя архивировать, но я шел вам на уступки, учитывая то, что вы не будите продолжать поведение, приведшие к данной дискуссии. Moreover these messages can't be archived, but I went to you on concessions, considering that you don't awake to continue the behavior, led to the given discussion. SergeyJ 19:40, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Получается, что Вы AlexSm сказали не правду, так как мне было отказано в удалении архивов.
  • It turns out that you AlexSm have told not truth as to me it has been refused at a distance archives. [7] SergeyJ 20:52, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • How can we have a discussion if SergeyJ is not even trying to understand other's comments? Again: in ruwiki links to old discussions have to be present on the user talk page (I never said otherwise); blanking means making an edit that removes all content from the current version of the page, leaving the history intact, this is NOT the same as page deletion. -AlexSm 21:10, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, here now me have accused of trolling ... It here is considered normal behavior? SergeyJ 21:38, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Completly ignoring other people's answers and pretending that you do not understand something obvious is trolling, don't you agree? -AlexSm 21:58, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I so don't do. SergeyJ 23:12, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
А вот большая часть моих ответов и вопросов как раз была проигнорирована. And here the most part of my answers and questions has just been ignored. SergeyJ 23:18, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Кроме того, вы пишите мне на английском, хорошо зная, что я им не владею .. и позволяете себе говорить, что я притворяюсь ? Это прекрасно поведение, у меня больше нет комментариев ...
Besides, you write to me in English, well knowing that I don't own it. Also dare to say, what I pretend to be? It is fine behavior, I don't have comments more... SergeyJ 23:27, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Make for me then as you offered, that I have definitively understood. SergeyJ 23:53, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Факт остается фактом, не в Википедии, не в Викиверситете - нельзя полностью требовать удаления страниц обсуждения и страницу участника, а так же ссылок на архив. Это мы сейчас точно выяснили, хотя раньше, скорее всего, не полностью понимали. Я не очень понимал правила Википедии, AlexSm не очень понимал правила Викиверситета. И я не понимаю, почему мы это продолжаем обсуждать?
  • The fact remains, not in Wikipedia, not in Wikiversity - it is impossible to demand completely removal of pages of discussion and page of the participant, and as references to archive. We now have precisely found out it, though earlier, most likely, not completely understood. I not so understood Wikipedia rules, AlexSm not so understood rules of Vikiversiteta. And I don't understand, why we continue to discuss it? SergeyJ 23:33, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Probably a unique exception ru:Википедия:Право исчезнуть SergeyJ 23:39, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dedication

  • Without sounding too much like a new-age shrink wanting us to have a group hug and sing Kumbaya together, I think it would offer interesting results if we had a brief explanation from everyone involved as to how willing they are to compromise, what position they bring to the discussion, and if they're actually dedicated to solving this problem. I've seen many RFCs broken because people on both sides refuse to budge and argue endlessly about how their side is "correct" and nobody wants to give ground. I think it's fair to ask that if someone isn't willing to try to help solve the problem and instead simply place blame, that they don't belong here with the people who are here to help. Kylu 04:09, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • As the section is my creation, I'll make the first statement. I'm a steward, both willing and able to implement a decision that we come to which respects Foundation policies. I don't want to see another RFC bogged down in mindless arguments until it's years later and everyone has quit from disgust. I don't want to be an arbitrator handing down decrees, as I did not get elected for that position. I am willing to offer suggestions, and I don't really see that there can't be some sort of solution to the problem. Kylu 04:09, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Here very difficult text, I can't understand it, if who can I ask to explain in Russian. SergeyJ 14:09, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion

Desysop

As the thread has been moved to RFC it is clear for me that it will never lead to any reasonable decision, so that I am not really looking forward. Just to remark that in my opinion the best solution would be to desysop SergeyJ in the same way it was done to Ramir in Russian Wikibooks a couple of years ago. Obviously until it has been done he would continue to behave as if he is a dictator and the pages would never be deleted even despite the fact they violate the general WMF-wide policies.--Yaroslav Blanter 16:08, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Now you've graduated to direct threats? Good move!Bolo1910 16:13, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • general WMF-wide policies - вот о это такой политике я выше спрашивал не однократно, ясных ответов мне никто не дал. Наоборот, было ранее сказано, что это дело локальных проектов. Here it is to such policy I above asked not unitary, clear answers nobody has given to me. On the contrary, it has been earlier told that this business local the project. SergeyJ 17:35, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am not suggesting or promoting this position, just clarifying that a desysop in itself would not solve the problem. The pages are still there, yes? So even if this was, somehow, the chosen solution, the pages would also need to be removed or blanked. I assume SergeyJ has no interest in having his rights removed, so wouldn't it be reasonable to assume that he (and the rest of ru.wv) would be willing to compromise and discuss first? Removal of rights really should be a last resort. Kylu 19:50, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Right to vanish

I see that Meta's right to vanish is not described as a universal Wikimedia policy, but only as one affecting "most" projects. This seems to have a theoretical flaw, as revealed here, in that any autonomous Wikimedia project can create a page about an editor's "reputation", based on his other edits, perhaps showcasing them, and then it is impossible for the editor to truly vanish, because this untoward remnant lives on.

Given the move toward globally unified logins, it may be time to require the right to vanish as a formal Meta policy. Or, more conservatively, editors should at least be given the right to "vanish" from all projects to which they have not contributed, and to receive fair warning before making fresh edits to a project that does not recognize the right to vanish, that by doing so they forfeit this right. Wnt 19:39, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

RFC appearance

I am asking SergeyJ again to initially hide or at least surround with <small> tag his comments made in Russian. It's rather difficult and boring to read the same thing it 2 languages and I think he could certainly show some respect for other users. -AlexSm 17:51, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Whether disturbs to stewards that I write in Russian? SergeyJ 18:05, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Believe me, this disturbs everybody. The only purpose of your "double" messages I can think of is when someone would try to correct you English translation (as Drbug did), and hidden text would serve this purpose just as well. -AlexSm 18:15, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    It doesn't disturb me. I'm happy to see users post in bilingual texts if they are unsure of their skills in the main language of the conversation or are using computer translation, and hate to discourage that by insisting they use technical tricks on one.--Prosfilaes 05:02, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • It would also be nice if SergeyJ used "Show preview" button once in a while and not waste my time on edit conflicts, but I guess that's asking too much of him. -AlexSm 18:15, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Day 3

Let me summarize the raised issues.

  1. SergeyJ invented the "reputations system" where users give each other "good" or "bad" reputation saved on user page and subpages (I guess his views are quite opposite to en:WP:Social networking essay). SergeyJ is using his sysop flag to force other users to use this sytem. That's why he insists that those page are in some way "talk archives" as well.
    I absolutely oppose using this system on my user pages: those pages should be deleted.
  2. SergeyJ issues "warnings" to user accounts (of absolutely inactive users) about users "behaviour" in other Wikimedia projects.
    While this is certainly inappropriate (especially for admin) I'm willing to compromise here: let SergeyJ issue me "warnings" on my talk page, I'm just not going to bother reading them.
  3. SergeyJ made two retaliation blocks (also of locally inactive SUL accounts). One block was removed, but ru:user:Wind, ruwiki admin, bureaucrat and checkuser still remains blocked.
    Since this is RFC now, I think this issue needs to be addressed as well and Wind should be unblocked (alternative: SergeyJ desysopped and then Wind unblocked).

-AlexSm 05:57, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Все это я уже пояснял, нужно ли мне дать еще какие то пояснения ? I all it already explained, whether it is necessary for me to give still what that explanatories? SergeyJ 08:48, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"reputations system" была принята сообществом Викиверситета, поддержана 7 из 9 человек и до сих пор ни у одного нового участника не вызывала проблем. Это система репутаций позволяет нам в сообществе Викиверситета жить мирно и быть ответственным за свои слова и действия. Это безусловно хорошо сказывается при разрешении проблем в целом. Поэтому эксперимент можно считать успешным, наоборот, он выявил тех участников которые хотят вести себя не этично, вступать в конфликты и не желают решать проблемы. Я просил данного участника только не искажать факты о Викиверситете, а вместо этого он желает обсуждать мой desysopp. Я считают это недопустимое поведение. С участником Wind отдельная проблема и я не думаю что это нужно смешивать и обсуждать здесь.
"reputations system" Has been accepted by community Wikiversity, it is supported 7 of 9 persons and till now in one new participant didn't cause problems. It is system of reputations allows us to live in community Wikiversity peacefully and to be responsible for the words and actions. It certainly well affects at resolution of problems as a whole. Therefore it is possible to consider experiment successful, on the contrary, it has revealed those participants which want to behave not ethically, to enter conflicts and don't wish to solve a problem. I asked the given participant not to distort only the facts about Wikiversity, and instead he wishes to discuss mine desysopp. I consider this inadmissible behavior. With participant Wind a separate problem and I don't think that it needs to be mixed and discussed here. SergeyJ 09:01, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply] 
1. Отдаленно связанная - он организовал attack page на Викиверситет в полуофициальном блоге Википедии, 
   и отказался удалить оскорбления, не этичные и провокационные комментарии 
2. Нет у меня не было с ним конфронтации
3. Не думаю, что система репутации используется где то еще

1. Remotely connected - it has organized attack page on Vikiversitet in a semiofficial blog of Wikipedia, 
   also has refused to remove insults, not ethic and provocative comments
2. Isn't present at me there was no with it a confrontation
3. I do not think that the reputation system is used where that still

SergeyJ 20:38, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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