BBC on power outage claims Pravda on power outage claims Marked as currentevents - Does the page need to be backlinked to from the current events page? Mrzaius 19:08, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
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Hey, take a look, this page was cited by CNN! [1]
- Yeah, and that's a worry considering the article has no references section. For all we know the authors could be making stuff up (though I doubt it). Please provide us with a reference section! It looks bad when the news media publishes information from our website without a reference to where you guys gathered the information from. - Ta bu shi da yu 12:03, 3 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Wasn't the "outhouse" speech (not the "shithouse") pronounced much much later?Gaidash 4 July 2005 07:42 (UTC)
- No, the article is correct - the outhouse speech was made when Putin was still prime minister, i.e. between August and December 1999. Incidentally, "blasting in the outhouses" ( literally, "soaking in the outhouses" ) is a preexisting Russian idiom - some meaning is lost in translation. --Itinerant1 22:38, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
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Here is your edit I reverted:
- Among the Chechens and their supporters he is a "separatist", for fighting to separate from Russia; but he is, unequivocally among the greater part of Russians, a "terrorist".
Wiki is a worldwide encyclopedia. He is notable not just to Chechans and Russians, but worldwide. And "unequivocally" is very very rarely used as it is POV. And yours does not define what a separatist is or why he would be considered a terrorist. --Noitall 04:57, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
- IMPORTANT NOTE: In a recent TV interview by ABC (yes, he gives TV interviews to American television networks and yet somehow the Russian authorities can't find him to shoot him dead), he called HIMSELF a terrorist. Cite: [2] Take that as you will, but since he calls himself a terrorist, it is definitely NPOV to call him what he calls himself. Russians DO consider him a terrorist, and he calls himself that openly. Xaa 07:30, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
I see what Wiki is now, yes. And what Wiki will always be. And I see now that politics isn't and will never be Wiki's ___domain.
Do you notice, out there in the West, that the East Europeans behave differently? That they laugh a little at this NPOV, that it seems ridiculous to them? Have you ever thought that this is not a whim, but a result of certain differences?
I'm not arguing for anything. I'm wondering how you can congratulate yourself when you've fallen into meekness? When "information" has become, for you, as slippery as oil? When, instead of acknowledging two sides with dignity - or acknowleding none at all - you would insult your reader and offend him by diffusing every cup of coffee until it is water?
I say again: do you need to define "terrorist"? Is the motto of Wikipedia "you can't ever REALLY know anything"?
As to the Russians and Chechens. For God's sake, this is the Russians' and the Chechens' article. Whom in heck does it concern what the others think? Look around, and you'll notice there is no such thing as a "supporter of Russia" - only a Russian. Is that an accident? --VKokielov 16:22, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
I'll substantiate this by recommending that you grab a style manual for any encyclopedia and see for yourself whether "some" and "others" are good words. I will wager anything that you'll be told to run from them like from fire. --VKokielov 16:43, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
- Well, if you don't understand Wiki or proper editing, I can only point you in the right direction. Your assertion that "For God's sake, this is the Russians' and the Chechens' article" is entirely wrong, it is a worldwide article. And the fact that you argue that terrorists do not need to be defined because you, VKokielov is both false and not useful to Wiki readers. A person does not have to support Russia in any action to call Basayev a terrorist. --Noitall 21:37, August 15, 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks. Let's start a catfight, shall we? Or should I accuse you of "original research" in retaliation? --VKokielov 02:16, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
- Where did I say that "terrorist" doesn't need to be defined? I said, "Would you really define". What in the world could I possibly mean? Surely not that, if the blue link is still there. --VKokielov 02:21, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
- Well, if you don't understand Wiki or proper editing, I can only point you in the right direction. Your assertion that "For God's sake, this is the Russians' and the Chechens' article" is entirely wrong, it is a worldwide article. And the fact that you argue that terrorists do not need to be defined because you, VKokielov is both false and not useful to Wiki readers. A person does not have to support Russia in any action to call Basayev a terrorist. --Noitall 21:37, August 15, 2005 (UTC)