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Liuxinyu970226

Description of the problem - (Liuxinyu970226)

Your honour, so let me tell you that what I've found on this topic for several decades.

Currently, the Language proposal policy (hereafter the LPP) says

This means that, to match such a policy explaination, no such languages are currently allowed on Incubator for project testing (just try [1], are you able to create contents titled with Foo under Middle Dutch (dum)?) Note that as I mentioned at policy talk page last month, SIL currently no longer having any languages classified as ancient, but still extinct and historical.

However, in practice, there are certain such languages where really still have speakers, Ancient Greek is just an example under "historical" umbrella as per langcom talk page respond (not sure when it will be archived as still no response). One example for the "extinct" could be Jewish Babylonian Aramaic due to a somewhat successful appeal of deletion request (later the deleted contents were restored for Wp/tmr, but not for Wy/tmr), and later my deletion request regarding Taivoan one was rejected due to quite controversial, but didn't mention that why it's "controversial".

Due to recent development of situations, I'm afraid that these matters won't be able to handle without potential U4C committee's involves. There may be more peoples being involved for these matters, but for "Parties" fields above, I have to only mention 4 most active ones above.

Previous attempts at a solution - (Liuxinyu970226)

On Meta-Wiki
On Incubator
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Suggested solutions - (Liuxinyu970226)

  1. Clarify that whether they shall be allowed for testing or not on Incubator
  2. Allow people to re-start a RFC, together with langcom members, to make an amendment to the LPP policy, so that some (but really not all) certain extinct and/or historical languages, that are really having speakers (despite L1 or L2), be allowed for future language versions of Wikipedia, Wiktionary, ...
  3. If 2nd passed, allow people to re-submit new requests for such rejected languages due to conflict of concept understanding, and, once further possible, allow eligibility and approval of them, so that e.g. https://grc.wikipedia.org/ may be available for their speakers. (in this case, one example that got eligibility despite being an extinct is Coptic)

Amire80

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MF-Warburg

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Anaxicrates

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Danvintius Bookix

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Other feedback (GZWDer)

In my memory, what is (or at least was, when StevenJ81 was still active then) the de facto practice is even if language proposal policy does not (currently) permit new non-Wikisource projects in ancient languages, tests (for projects other than Wikinews) can still be lived in Incubator; they are not deleted solely because of the language is extinct, but user can still propose deletion of them for e.g. quality problem.--GZWDer (talk) 08:48, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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