Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Presidential gaffes

US presidential faux-pas

I find this to be entirely arbitrary and inherently non-neutral. Even the page title is rather iffy. Merovingian 14:26, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It was List of Presidential gaffes. No longer. - Ta bu shi da yu 14:59, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. --Merovingian 14:26, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, and formally protest Merovingian speedy deleting the article. There is a move option if the title is none too good (I didn't come up with the title, incidently, though I don't really see an issue). - Ta bu shi da yu 14:29, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  Is faux pas a better word than gaffe ? (it's funny how both words are of French origin :) bogdan 14:36, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. It should be List of gaffes of United States presidents. bogdan 14:30, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Surely you mean "...by United States presidents"? —Wahoofive (talk) 16:27, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and Move per Ta bu shi da yu. - Kookykman|(t)e
• Weak keep and move to better title as bogdan suggested. PJM 14:36, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete: I am not sure that this can be kept NPOV. Is Bush the Wiser's vomiting and passing out necesserily a gaffe? It could also be called health problems. Alternatively, move to a better title, like US presidential faux-pas and write an article about the most famous clear-cut examples and how they were handled and what were their consequences. Zocky 14:38, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Stole my sodding suggestion, didn't you. Rob Church ^Talk 15:12, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  It was probably the food. The gaffe is not that he vomited, but that he vomited on the Japanese PM. :-) bogdan 14:42, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• keep for now, but unless notable 'gaffes' by presidents other than GWB emerge (is vomiting, or stating untruths a 'gaffe'?), merge with Bushism. dab (ᛏ) 14:42, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • No longer about gaffes. - Ta bu shi da yu 14:59, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and move as per Ta Bu; but I'm not sure what the best title would be. Obvioiusly it needs some broadening and a lot more historical perspective. Guettarda 15:08, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and NPOV. No Democrat Presidents are currently included. Possible examples of gaffes from Democrats include Clinton saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman Ms Lewinsky." Jimmy Carter calling Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Fraser John, referring to Hubert Humphrey as Hubert Horatio Hornblower at the 1980 Democratic convention and a mistranslation of a 1977 speech by President Carter in Poland in 1977 saying I desire the Poles carnally. [1]. Capitalistroadster 17:30, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Inherently POV, unmaintainable, and original research. --Carnildo 20:06, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy delete as per CSD criteria A6 (Articles which serve no purpose but to disparage their subject). Expanding the list of victims to include Democrats would only serve to increase the number of people who are being attacked. --Allen3 ^talk 20:58, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]