User talk:Daniel C. Boyer/archive 1

Daniel Boyer,

How exactly does the Patriot Act violate the 4th amendment? I'm serious.

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The Fourth Amendment requires that warrants be issued only on probable cause, and specifically descibing what or whom is to be searched or seized. The PATRIOT Act allows warrants to issue on a lesser standard and allows what amount to general warrants (see http://www.aclu.org/Privacy/Privacy.cfm?ID=11054&c=130). --Daniel C. Boyer 15:03 25 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Hi there,

When you're editing a page, I notice that you often add bits to the /talk page explaining what you just added. This is really unnecessary, as it's apparent what's been added from the article. The talk page is only really necessary if there's something controversial or unclear about the article that needs to be worked out.

Cheers,

DanKeshet, Tuesday, June 18, 2002

What's with the punching-ball and the milk-cow? You've created a weird title with an invalid redirect. Is there an encyclopedia article anywhere in this? Vicki Rosenzweig 13:34 Jul 31, 2002 (PDT)

Yes, it is on Guy Ducournet's book of that title about misrepresentations and lies about surrealism. I am trying to find what happened to this article. --Daniel C. Boyer

Hey, dude. I wrote that teeny blurb about "Les Automatistes" because there wasn't a thing there at all. Please clarify or edit it however you like! Sara Parks Ricker

Hi - I wonder if you could have a look at what I wrote at Talk:Four dimensional painting and Talk:Gas sculpture sometime? It seems to me that these are really non-articles, at least as they stand. If there's any more to say about them, it would be good if it could be said, because they are intriguing sounding subjects. Otherwise, they should be made to redirect to Joan Miro, in my opinion, which already contains as much info about them as the individual articles themselves. --Camembert

This might be a good idea. I've not been able to find as much information about them as I'd hoped. Unless anyone can answer my appeal for more info Camembert may have the best idea. --Daniel C. Boyer 19:13 Jan 8, 2003 (UTC)

Apologies, it appears some kind of strange edit event occured. It appeared that you had erased the article and its edit history. Apparently you did quite the opposite, effectively 'seconding it' by making a minor edit. Thanks for that, and for attention to this important (meta) matter.

Are you Daniel C. Boyer for real? Having made "Dead man"? Excuse me for asking an honest question. Sigg3.net

No apology necessary! I am Daniel C. Boyer all right! I was the director of The Dead Man which is a completely different movie from Jarmusch's Dead Man. --Daniel C. Boyer 20:17 Jan 28, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Daniel! I notice you sometimes drop by Talk pages and make suggestions. Nothng wrong with that! However, in many cases the improvement you suggest could be accomplished in the same amount of time it takes to make the suggestion. For example, I noticed your comment on Talk:Myth of mental illness, and so I whipped up a stub article at The Myth of Mental Illness (with the proper capitalization) and linked to it from anti-psychiatry. Be bold, man! ;-) -- Stephen Gilbert 19:44 Feb 5, 2003 (UTC)

Have you written this article? or do you have any idea about this article? (If you don't understand Korean, the title means "unmarried girl backdoor" or something.) Is it one of your work? --User:Xaos

Yes; it should be The Tailgating Spinster (title of my book of poetry). I apologise if my Korean is not good enough; perhaps you could provide a better translation of the title. --Daniel C. Boyer

OK. I'll try to find a better translation. But due to my poor english, I can't understand the title. Does Tailgating mean chasing closely? And does Spinster mean unmarried old woman? soax

Yes; "tailgating" means (when one is driving) to follow too closely behind the car (or truck) in front of you. A spinster is usually used to mean an unmaried old woman but it can mean an unmarried woman of any age (probably she would have to be old enough to be able to get married to qualify as a spinster). --Daniel C. Boyer 19:43 Apr 10, 2003 (UTC)

One last question concerning the translation. Is the spinster tailgating someone or being tailgated?

What would you like to put in that article? I have no idea what it is and how it should be described. Please put some contents (in english) in that article or in the discussion page. I'll translate it. BTW what does this have to do with An Junggeun? soax 12:43 Apr 11, 2003 (UTC)

The spinster is tailgating someone. For the article in English, see The Tailgating Spinster.

It doesn't have anything to do with him; it just is something separate about Korea/Korean I thought you might be interested in. --Daniel C. Boyer

(book) is distinction enough for Smith's Mental Hygiene book, which, incidentally, is more than a comedy book, though it is strongly comical. Koyaanis Qatsi

Ashcroftism is an orphan. Could you find some articles to link to it? Kingturtle 01:37 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC)

I linked to it in John Ashcroft; I think this is a start. --Daniel C. Boyer

comments moved to talk:Daniel C. Boyer

Hey, I think you misunderstood me. ;) Check Talk:Daniel C. Boyer. --Dante Alighieri 20:42 2 Jun 2003 (UTC)

It is POV to state that your work is shown "around the world" as that indicates some worldy greatness which the user has no idea how to interpret. How many times were u shown in Somalia last year? How many exhibits are currently running in Bangladesh? It would be acceptable to give examples such as: "artwork was featured at the 2001 Tokyo Art Fair". Pizza Puzzle

This is certainly true. But I am not the author of the passage in question. --Daniel C. Boyer

It would be nice if your articles explained how one might view the artwork in question. Pizza Puzzle

I'm not sure what artwork you mean, but here is a rather over-elaborated reply. On my user page it has links to my mixed media work The Collapsed Horizon; my computer graphics The Death Mask of Justin Timberlake, Legendary History of the G8 and The Moonlit Lovers Hide in the Woods Bathed in the Sputtering Light of the Oyster Mushroom ; my oject made out of a PVC pipe trap, gouache, a chocolate-coated expresso bean and a decaffeinated coffee bean, "The Blue Fetish"; my Polaroid Self-portrait as a Kazakh; my design for the cover of Fat Little Bastard's CD Maldoror; my "movement of liquid down a vertical surface" work The Better Days We Went Sailing, and Looked at the Wind and the Breeze as a Greek Indicator of the Approach of Weather; a drawing to promote my poem "The Plush Heads". There is a problem with some of the links being dead, which I will have to deal with. Obviously, neither of my films and neither of my books (which are mentioned in the article on me), nor "Blair House," can be viewed online, as they are either film or paper-based only. --Daniel C. Boyer

I sit corrected. (with paddle-marks on my rump) The word seemed to me very stilted Finnish, and the plural "s" didn't help either. The one thing I had not considered was an American-Finn connection. Us Finns have emigrated to so many places it is all too easy to forget, some of them may have held onto a bit of the old culture. By the way, some of the old working songs by American-Finns are great!.In fact the American-Finn Finglish itself is great. It strikes me American-Finns are probably a minority not much featured on the political scene over there. Respectfully (all the more so after the correction) -- Cimon Avaro on a pogo-stick 19:48 12 Jul 2003 (UTC)

The Finns are the most prominent ethnic group in the Copper Country (Houghton, Keweenaw, Baraga and Ontonagon Counties in Michigan). They migrated here in the 19th century to work in the copper mines (almost all of which closed as of 1968, three years before I was born. In Hancock (where I was born) the street signs are bilingual and Hancock is the home of Finlandia University (formerly Suomi College). --Daniel C. Boyer

Oh, oh, oh, oh. I forgot. Kept it bottled up so long I forgot it was there. Was waiting for a legitimate cause for addressing you so I could tell you that have read many of your Grandpa's works on maths and the history of maths. If you keep up with him or his spirit, please tell him: "Nice done!". -- Cimon Avaro on a pogo-stick 21:22 12 Jul 2003 (UTC)

His spirit; he died in 1976. But thank you. --Daniel C. Boyer 19:06 14 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Hello,

Just noticed you kindly added yourself to the Psychopathology wikiproject. Let me know if you have any particular interests in this area, so we don't overlap. If you have any particular knowledge of artists or other famous people who have had mental illness, entries on those would be great. I'd like to include as many entries with a human element as possible rather than keep strictly to the academic side.

Cheers - Vaughan

My interest is chiefly in the antipsychiatry and involuntary commitment articles, though I have been quite involved in the schizophrenia article. I am also intersted in the subject of hysteria. --Daniel C. Boyer 15:05 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I read your comments on the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia page. I'd be in favor of removing everything except the intro until something that wasn't copied from an advocacy group can be added. Before I do that, however, I'd like to know your thoughts. 172

Dear Mr Boyer,

I read through your list of credentials and I have quickly realized that you are the creative type. Is there any place where I can go to work on collaborative fiction, because I tried writing a story with a few friends of mine about a fictional band and you recommended it for deletion. It doesn't bother me that you did that, or even that you called it junk. It is junk. That is the point. It is done for fun and to make people either laugh or spit. Now I realize that this is not the forum for such expression, and I was hoping that maybe you could direct me to somewhere I could continue a story like this without serious interuption. I appreciate your help. Mook.

I am very sorry but I do not recall this (the story in question or calling it "junk"). I also regret that the websites I used to know where you could do this sort of thing have since become defunct. I hope that you are able to find such a site. --Daniel C. Boyer 18:50 24 Jul 2003 (UTC)

"If you wish to add a new page to this list, please put it on Wikipedia:Brilliant prose candidates first (see that page for further instructions)." --mav

Please don't create orphans. If you think The Forecast is Hot! is worthy of inclusion, link to it from somewhere else. --Eloquence 05:06 26 Jul 2003 (UTC)

If you want to add to "Cunny" description in Rabbit, go right ahead, but "Rabbit" is definitely the only known name of refering to the adult creature in America at least. But, the article already does address "cunny". :)

May I make a general request? Longer articles on specific aspects of Surrealism would actually be informative and interesting, whereas single paragraphs identifying a title only as a work by a group I don't know anything about don't get me anywhere. It would, I think, be more useful if you spent a bit more time on each article and told us more--since this is an area few other Wikipedians are knowledgeable about--even if it meant fewer articles. Vicki Rosenzweig 15:36, 29 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Since Daniel C. here is pretty familiar with Surrealism and other matters related to it (or not), an article about it should be written by him, in my opinion. I don't mind hosting an external article about it on my server (Sigg3.net), which could be linked from wikipedia. Sigg3.net 16:01, 29 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Please see my comments on Talk:Fiji Island Mermaid Press. MB 20:23, Jul 29, 2003 (UTC)

"Standards are being applied to me that I have not seen argued for the application of to anyone else." Damn right they are, and you have no-one to blame but yourself. You had a chance to have an article or two in the main namespace of Wikipedia, but you blew it. With your disgusting self-promotion you've put everyone off-side, and now your presence here is under serious threat. I'm still arguing for you but I'm not sure why exactly. -- Tim Starling 01:23, Jul 30, 2003 (UTC)

I assume the anon remark on User talk:Daniel Quinlan was you. If so: You are using straw man to mean something it does not mean. Please read the definition. But don't worry too much, a lot of people don't know the real meaning ;). MB 18:19, Jul 30, 2003 (UTC)

Your e-mail

Mr. Boyer,

Recently you sent me an email regarding the content on the page about you.

I would be happy to answer your concerns, but not via email; I believe it would be best for the project for the conversation to be visible to all. If you wish you may post the contents of the e-mail you sent to User_talk:Kat or another forum of your choosing. I have not done so because I make a presumption of confidentiality for any e-mails I receive. Kat 03:38, 1 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Dear Mr. Boyer,

Your insistence on keeping obscure details about surrealistic collage on the the collage page seems to be a continuation of your tendency for self-promotion. I am again going to attempt to remove it. If you feel it necessary to again add the self-promotional material, then I will take the issue to one of the other forums.

Cheers, SpeakerFTD 17:25, 5 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Dear SpeakerFTD,

Your insistence on removing significant material on collage from the collage page is questionable, as is your calling my adding these details "self-promotion." Let's see. Where on the World Wide Web, in print, or in an exhibition has an inimage or landscapade of mine ever been shown? Where in Wikipedia is there a link between these subjects and myself? Is this anything other than a judgment that anything I do here is "self-promotional," evidence be damned? I am going to "again add" the material you so bizarrely see as "self-promotional." (See my comments at Talk:Collage.) --Daniel C. Boyer 19:57, 5 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Daniel, could you please discuss you reasons for reverting on the Talk:United States Secret Service instead of starting a revertion war. Thanks. MB 22:55, Aug 5, 2003 (UTC)

Hello there,

Just an note to say thanks for adding yourself to the Psychopathology WikiProject ! I've just added a review page so if you create any new articles, or want to watch out for new ones, add to the list or keep tabs on this page.

Thanks again - Vaughan 19:36, 12 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Hi again, Boyer. I thought you'd be glad to know that I've framed your Anti-Racistic guitar (A tribute to Unu) and put it in the center of my livingroom:). Sigg3.net 10:58, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Can you please not use cut and paste to move pages. The Surrealist Movement in the United States page, for example, now looks like you were the main author of it when this shows that a number of people had created that content. If you need to move to a place that already exists you can get an admin to temporarily remove the existing page. Angela 01:24, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)

O.k., I'm sorry. Apologies to anyone who this effected. This was exactly the trouble I was having and I didn't know how to fix it. --Daniel C. Boyer 13:46, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)

No problem - Martin fixed it all. Angela 20:24, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Mr. Boyer, we have had our differences in the past, but that has long been settled through a polite exchange of apologies - so please let me say that you have my full respect as a fellow Wikipedian and I enjoy reading your contributions. However, I believe that there is one area of Wikipedia where your opinion could easily be perceived as biased, namely, matters of vanity pages and self-promotion. Your comment under [1] looks balanced, but as it says "Keep", it may nurture prejudice against you, and I would suggest that you think it over and perhaps withdraw it. Best regards, Kosebamse 09:56, 9 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I think the word "claimed" is NPOV, as long as your claim is all we have. It does not imply a contrary claim. --Wik 19:20, Oct 25, 2003 (UTC)

A debate about the use of the term "Boyerism" should not take place on VfD. -- Cyan 21:05, 9 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Agreed. But Wik should not bring up this vague, misleading, unhelpful term he pretends to have coined, though in uses both relating and not relating to me, it predates his "coinage." --Daniel C. Boyer 21:07, 9 Nov 2003 (UTC)

On that matter we are in complete agreement. I deplore his use of the term. -- Cyan 21:13, 9 Nov 2003 (UTC)

A debate about your contributions should not take place on VfD. -- Cyan 21:28, 9 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I think this is right. Should this be cut and pasted somewhere else? --Daniel C. Boyer 21:32, 9 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Indeed. You can use your own talk page, or maybe a subpage of it. You could try the Pump if you want high exposure, but the discussion would inevitably need a different final resting place. You could even move it to Wikipedia:Problem users/Daniel C. Boyer. -- Cyan 21:39, 9 Nov 2003 (UTC)

You wrote:

If you object to my writing on Automatic mathematics, please edit rather than blanking!

I could not have done that; I had no idea what "automatic mathematics" is or what you were trying to say, but I could tell that what you had written was a completely incomprehensible run-on sentence that needed to go back to the drawing board.

As the article appears now, I doubt that "automatic mathematics" can be considered mathematics. Michael Hardy 21:48, 16 Nov 2003 (UTC)

It is not mathematics, stricta sensu. It is just called mathematics because it superficially uses mathematics forms (numbers, variables, mathematical symbols and so forth). You are absolutely right. --Daniel C. Boyer 14:38, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)

In tincture (heraldry) you wrote, "The colours rose and copper appeared in Canada in 1997." Could you please tell me more? - Montréalais 06:06, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Sure; see http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Square/3238/Page3.html . --Daniel C. Boyer 13:37, 21 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I would be indebted if you would refrain from adding links to Wikipedia:Requested articles in the future, as your historical performance on that page has been poor, with many such articles requiring subsequent deletion. Martin 17:32, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)

I am going to decline your request. I do not see my "historical performance" on that page as being "poor," and (with perhaps a very few exceptions) I do not see the articles I have requested as "requiring subsequent deletion." --Daniel C. Boyer 13:34, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Understood. Thank you for the courteous reply. Martin

This request smacks of elitism. I am very surprised that Martin, of all people, would make it. -- Derek Ross

Nevertheless, I do make it. The continual creation and deletion of articles is in nobody's interest. Martin 17:45, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Neither is the continual editing and re-editing of text. But that is the very nature of the wiki, so I suppose that we're stuck with it. If only we could all produce perfectly written articles on perfectly relevant subjects, the first time, we wouldn't have to waste all that time correcting each others mistakes -- but it wouldn't be a wiki. -- Derek Ross

The continual editing of text tends to create better articles than anyone could write individually. The same cannot be said for the coninual creation and deletion of articles. Besides, nothing in the nature of a wiki prevents one person asking another if they would avoid making a certain type of edit. My request stands. Martin 18:05, 23 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Hi, Could you fix the link to the nomination you made on Wikipedia:Brilliant prose candidates It is appearing in red as I write. Thanks, Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 15:26, 4 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for pointing this out. --Daniel C. Boyer 16:24, 4 Dec 2003 (UTC)

From my talk page:

I hope I am wrong, but what you are doing could be interpreted as an attempt to purge most surrealist-related material from Wikipedia. I hope you will respond to my concerns that you are removing articles on actual surrealist techniques and insinuating that I invented them when I did no such thing. --Daniel C. Boyer 14:31, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I believe this is in response to me listing your "decretage" and "Haifa method" pages on vfd, where they were subsequently deleted. Both of these terms produced no Google hits which were not wikipedia-related (well actually all, you-related). To be precise it was not I who 'purged' them, but the community who did when they decided that they should be deleted. Maximus Rex 00:29, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)

You have not responded to my complaint as to your insinuation that I invented methods I did not, and you never responded to my repeated complaints about your inaccurate use of the term "Boyerism". --Daniel C. Boyer 15:25, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I stopped using the term "Boyerism" when you requested me to stop on November 24. I have not used it since and therefore I find your accusations quite puzzling. Maximus Rex 19:40, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Thank you and my apologies. --Daniel C. Boyer 19:41, 12 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Daniel,

I'm trying to find "parents" for the article on Blue Feathers. I'd like to add it to the List of magazines, but I'm not sure what category it belongs in. Could you either add it where appropriate or let me know where it belongs? Thanks.

- Anthropos 02:27, Dec 15, 2003 (UTC)

I added it under Miscelaneous magazines, under U.S. It was the best I could do, as it's a surrealist magazine and didn't really fit into any of the other categories. --Daniel C. Boyer 13:45, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Thanks! -Anthropos 15:03, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Hi Daniel, to answer your question about Richard Genovese -- I don't see (either in the article or from searching the web)

I believe that this admission can be characterized as confessing myopia. Did you make any attempt to search any of the cited print sources? Despite people's claims to the contrary, I am concerned that Wikipedia runs the risk of becoming a mere mirror of the Google search, when subjects that are well-documented outside Google (in print!) are characterised as "nonexistent" or "unimportant" on the basis of a Google search turning up only a few hits. --Daniel C. Boyer 18:24, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)

that more than a few people have even noticed he's around. That's what makes him insignificant. Happy editing, Wile E. Heresiarch 03:09, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Phyllis Braff, a notable art critic for the New York Times: Seeking Shivers of Recognition in a Bizarre Context

JH Matthews is highly regarded for his examination and discussion of Surrealism contextually as a vibrant and ongoing movement.

Do you have any other page on the 'net with a total list of works than this one? - Sigg3.net 12:03, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)

surrealism (art)

Hi Daniel,

Your email account was over quota, so I'm pasting the email I sent you here.

Unfortunately, all of the world outside Wikipedia that I have ever encountered considered Surrealism primarily as an art form. I would argue that in general use most people think "surrealist art" when they think "surrealist" (I did a Google test on "surrealist" and got 223,000 hits, and "surrealist art" was 111,000, implying that nearly 50% of all articles on surrealism are on surrealist art), but I concede that there must be other aspects of the movement. While you may feel the general public (or at least myself) is uninformed and overlooks the majority of the Surrealist movement, Surrealism as an art movement was significant when looking at the art community.

I would like to see an article discussing the manifistation of surrealism in art, for example Dali, deChirico, and Magritte are all labelled surrealist artists. As an art movement, it came after artists such as Picasso made breakthrough non- representational works, and shows the progression in Western art from works done from memory, to works done from life, to works done from imagination. If you consider Duchamp a part of the surrealist (art or greater) movement, his display of a urinal, pitchfork, window, etc, as ART allowed others to realize that design is an art form.

You might compare my request for a surrealism (art) page spinning off from surrealism to the pages on abstract art and abstraction. There is much more to the concept of abstraction than mere art, yet abstraction in art was/is a significant movement.

Thanks for asking for my opinion. I'm a fan of surrealist art (especially old school surrealist photography before Photoshop), and while I can give my reasons for why I feel it's important, they're not well founded enough to feel I can write a good article on it. I guess I could start one based on this email, if it were acceptable by the contributors to to surrealism page, and the others will clean it up when they come along.

--zandperl 00:44, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Duchy of Pinica

Thanks for the info. I can understand now why the Imperial Post article exists but not why some articles exist and others don't. Is the Imperial Post verifiable but not the Duchy? Are any of them verifiable? Are they discounted as a hoax? (I could see that being the case.) How widely is the Imperial Post and the Duchy known? - Texture 19:25, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Empire of Upper and Lower

>What is the basis for your complaint on the Votes for undeletion page about The Empire of Upper and Lower being said to comprise almost all of Houghton County, Michigan? This is just the claim it makes, absurd though it may be.

My "complaint" was merely a statement of its absurdity. That has nothing to do with my vote. On the VfU my only statement of whether it should be undeleted is that the vote was valid and the concensus to delete. I doubt I would have voted to delete it but based on the proper vote and my own view of the absurdity of the article I will not vote to undelete. - Texture 21:12, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Dalí and Paranoic-critical method

As I mention on Talk:Salvador Dalí, might you wish to take the first stab at an article on paranoia-criticism? I like Wikipedia to get the Dalí and related articles in decent shape for his centennial on 11 May. I appreciate your apparent open-mindedness about Dalí; a friend once remarked that she could never be a surrealist because she couldn't get herself to hate Dalí enough ;-) Cheers, -- Infrogmation 19:30, 1 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Vanity press

I'm interested how the vanity press can charge for copies if they are not even bound. Can anyone give any source on this? How common is this problem? --Daniel C. Boyer 18:21, 28 Sep 2003 (UTC)

There is a discussion of that phenomenon in Umberto Eco's Foucault's Pendulum. I don't remember the details, but I think that the publisher pretends to market copies to libraries etc..., but doesn't, and saves money by not even finishing to bind them. David.Monniaux 16:08, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Article

Anthony was suggesting that you move the article out of your talk space, not that you create a redirect that was already deleted.

I'm sorry, I don't get it. When was the article in my talk space? If I'm done something wrong, I'm sorry, but could you more fully explain your point? --Daniel C. Boyer 16:06, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

If you move the article I cannot delete it under deletion guidelines.

Why? --Daniel C. Boyer 16:06, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

You recreated the redirect that was deleted under Candidates for speedy deletion #7. I have deleted the redirect under Candidates for speedy deletion #5 since it was not undeleted by a concensus from the Wikipedia:Votes for undeletion page. - Tεx τ urε 14:18, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I don't have any problem with the #5 but as you can imagine I have a continuing problem with #7. You are inaccurately describing the content which was article-space content and then moved to the user space as part of this stupid temporary solution, as thus user-space content justifying the use of the redirect. Which would mean that the temporary solution would immediately trigger the triumph of those who said that there should be no article. Which is not to say that they are wrong, but clearly this is unfair and was never the idea. --Daniel C. Boyer 16:06, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I have moved the talk content you have written to your user talk space so that nothing is lost: User talk:Daniel C. Boyer/undelete - Tεx τ urε 14:20, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

You have content in your user space. As such, it is not an article just as anyone creating a new or reformatted article in their user space does not have an article but just something they are working on in their user space. Until it is in article space it is not an article. (IMO)

But once again, it was originally an article that was moved by others to my user space (as a temporary solution to the "dispute" over the article). Not only does this immediately undermine the temporary compromise of moving the temp article into my user space (as it would then fall under #7 of speedy deletion by your estimation) but this obscures the fact that it was in the article space with most of the same content before the redirect was created. --Daniel C. Boyer 14:53, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

If your only objection to Anthony's suggestion to move it back is that it will go on VfD then I don't see your reason as valid. Otherwise, everyone who loses a vote will move the articles deleted to their user space and create redirects from article space to user space. If the undelete vote is to restore the redirect then it will be undeleted. If the undelete vote is to keep it deleted then you can either accept that or move the article back and deal with any VfD vote if it happens. - Tεx τ urε 17:42, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Very well. This is not my only objection, so as a matter of fact I am going to withdraw the article from Votes for undeletion, replace it at Daniel C. Boyer, put a VfD notice on it and list it on Votes for deletion. --Daniel C. Boyer 14:53, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Unless you can actually explain why you should be listed on the IOUMA article--why your "position" has some objective reality--please stop re-adding your name. Your unexplained reversions are left with one explanation which doesn't leave you looking very good. Wikipedia is not the forum for self-promotion, and unless you can explain otherwise, that's all the addition of your own name accomplishes. I am going to delete your name again. Please don't add it again. Postdlf 2:23 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I have responded to both of your comments on my talk page. --Postdlf 18:33 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Mall Goths

I'm thinking that a whole section on the main Goth page could be written about the perception of Goth posers and fakers, which would include the term Mall Goth...from my understanding, it's a pretty big issue in the subculture, and broader than just that one term. Mall Goths should be a redirect to the main article. What do you think? I'm also surprised there's no mention of Anne Rice or vampires generally on the Goth page (which could also likely be drawn into the issue of posers, I s'pose, but it's there in the culture however much some Goths think it's ridiculous). Postdlf 00:28 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Yes; if there could be a well-done section on this and the info in particular on "Mall Goths" is not very extensive "Mall Goth" by all means should be merged into the Goth article. --Daniel C. Boyer 15:41, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Your user page

Daniel, I would like to draw your attention to the guidelines in Wikipedia:User page. Your user page may not comply with the guidelines. I suggest that you edit your user page accordingly. UninvitedCompany 16:01, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Template:VfD-Fyksland

If you are interested, Fyksland (Template:VfD-Fyksland) has gotten relisted on VfD a couple weeks after it was kept with no consensus to delete. - Tεx τ urε 18:01, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thanks; I just voted there. --Daniel C. Boyer 12:04, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Question about Surrealism article

Latest comment: 21 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I'm curious as to how you would say surrealism has transformed "everyday life." I don't know if you were the one who added that line in the first paragraph, but I thought you'd probably have a good answer 'cause it's your pet topic. Thanks! Postdlf 10:16 7 May 2004 (UTC)

While admitting that perhaps this is not the best wording (to what extent surrealism has been successful is a matter of debate), your question is somewhat curious -- it's like asking "how would you say that communism has transformed 'everyday life'"? Because this was always the chief goal surrealism set for itself.[2] "[T]he belief in the superior reality of certain forms of previously neglected associations, in the omnipotence of dream, in the disinterested play of thought, [the tendency] to ruin once and for all all other psychic mechanisms and to substitute itself for them in solving all the principal problems of life" is obviously chiefly of extra-artistic application.

In terms of the surrealist principles with the greatest impact on everyday life, in its attempt to merge the supposedly contradictory states of dreaming and waking life into an absolute reality, surrealism's anti-miserabilism[3] and the theories of objective chance (objective chance in particular has the capability of setting into motion chains of adventure), paranoia-criticism (and no, the application of this is not restricted to the making of Dalinian paintings), the active promotion of inspired laziness and the surrealist struggles against work (May 1968's spraypainted slogans on the walls of the Sorbonne showed the degree to which the rebellion was surrealist-inspired), and coercive psychiatry, and attempts at the eroticisation of everyday life have played a major role. --Daniel C. Boyer 14:17, 8 May 2004 (UTC)Reply

Gas sculpture

Latest comment: 21 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Could you explain the definition of gas sculpture (does it need to be unbounded? Or could it be contained?) Also why is the sculpture at the American history musuem not a gas sculpture (I only found a vague reference that called it a kinetic sculpture.) Rmhermen 21:16, May 11, 2004 (UTC)

As Miro describes it it seems he intends it to be unbounded; hence the amazing property (as it might tend to dissipate). I've not seen the sculpture at the American history museum but it seems to be contained and thus not what Miro is talking about; perhaps I should have said it is a gas sculpture but defined more loosely. --Daniel C. Boyer 18:01, 13 May 2004 (UTC)Reply

Surrealist techniques picture request

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Hi Daniel. I am currently trying to fulfill requests on the Wikipedia:Requested pictures page. Almost a year ago you placed a number of requests for Surrealist techniques on Wikipedia:Requested pictures. On your user page you have some external image links for some of the requested techniques. I assume you do not want to release your work under the GNU public license, but I was wondering if you could release a smaller image or a draft of your work to Wikipedia. If not, no problem. After all it seems you make your living with your art. I just thought it's worth asking you first, since I have difficulties finding other sources. Thanks. -- Chris 73 | Talk 16:20, 15 May 2004 (UTC)Reply

I made a movement of liquid down a vertical surface under the GNU licence that is now on the surrealist techniques page. Hopefully this is o.k. --Daniel C. Boyer 15:27, 17 May 2004 (UTC)Reply

Looks great to me! Thank you very much. You wouldn't also have an example of a Coulage, Cubomania, Étrécissements, or Outagraph by any chance? -- Chris 73 | Talk 03:01, 18 May 2004 (UTC)Reply

I uploaded an example of cubomania. --Daniel C. Boyer 12:34, 20 May 2004 (UTC)Reply

I uploaded an example of an outagraph. --Daniel C. Boyer 15:25, 21 May 2004 (UTC)Reply

Great! Thank you very much. -- Chris 73 | Talk 15:39, 21 May 2004 (UTC)Reply

Page protection

I re-removed surrealism and surrealist techniques from Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. These pages have already been protected, by Angela, per your request, as she noted when she removed them from the list. UninvitedCompany 16:14, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Surrealism Wikipedia

Hey Dan,

Is there anyway you can fix the wikipedia "surrealism" entry? It seems Keith Widgor has sabotaged it. -- Brandon Freels

I've been trying to; I even got page protection but unfortunately 24.168.92.117, who may very well be Keith Wigdor, got the jump on me so what is protected is the Wigdor-slanted version. I'm not sure how to proceed further. --Daniel C. Boyer 20:14, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)

This has now been done, and the page is unprotected. --Daniel C. Boyer 18:23, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

63.169.104.2

I have left a message for 63.169.104.2 asking him to stop. He'll be blocked if he ignores it, by me if necessary. Regards, UninvitedCompany

Thank you. --Daniel C. Boyer 13:46, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

FISA

i noticed that you have a wiki link in the FBI talk page linking to FISA. I have created a disambig page for this acronym, and i wonder what FISA yours is? i don't think it's formula 1 racing or crew...? - Lethe 10:05, Jun 28, 2004 (UTC)

Sorry for the confusion; it's the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. I've added that to the disambiguation page. --Daniel C. Boyer 16:07, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

thanks Lethe

CRAVEN DESTINY

Dear Daniel C.Boyer, Can you please explain what you and your friends exactly meant by this threat? In fairness to you (and your friends), I guess that this was just a harmless little silly letter that was just meant as mild satire. However for someone (including your friends here) who is So Passionate about Surrealism (and the integrity of Surrealism on here), can I ask you this; IF you(and your friends) did not show up at the WAH Center's, BRAVE DESTINY Surrealism show and, "Burn all the paintings and throw all the squirming participants, ridiculous costumes and all, into the East River", then you admit that what you say in your collective statements regarding Surrealism is False! Here is your (and your friends)exact words; "CRAVEN DESTINY What would you think if someone, after almost a century of an organized,self-conscious movement, came along and claimed to speak and act for that movement, while remaining completely ignorant of its aims and principles? This is exactly what is happening at the Williamsburg Art and Historical Center under the guise of their Brave Destiny exhibition,in which New Age angel and unicorn painters -- led by such wizards of recuperation as Professor Ernst Fuchs, H.R. Giger, and the Society for Art of the Imagination -- conjoin with bourgeois hoopla about cash prizes, fashion shows, and artistic prestige to create a flagrant misrepresentation of surrealism. Surrealism stands for the revolution of the mind, for the manifestation of poetry in everyday life, for the revolt of the pleasure principle against the confines of the existing social reality, and for poetry made by all, not one! Surrealism wants nothing less than the radical transformation of the world, and spits on anyone clinging to the repressive corpse of consumer capitalism and its art specialists! To this end, we will converge upon this exhibition during its final days, burn the paintings, and hurl the squirming participants, ridiculous costumes or not, into the East River! Frank Antonsen, Johannes Bergmark, Daniel C. Boyer, Eric Bragg, Richard Burke, Susan Burke, Stephen Clark, Tom Clarkson, Andrew Daily, Barrett John Erickson, Jill Fenton, Sarah Frances, Brandon Freels, Richard Genovese, Parry Harnden, Dale M. Houstman, William Howe, Stuart Inman, Philip Kane, Morgan Miller, Ribitch, MK Shibek, Darren Thomas, Andrew Torch, Chris Webster, Darryl Lorenzo Wellington, Zazie." So, Dan, you can admit that you(and your friends) do not speak on behalf of this movement, nor are you and your friends really passionate about maintaining the aims and principles of Surrealism, since it is a fact that nothing happened, none of your friends showed up at the WAH to, "burn the paintings" as you said you would do as indicated by the above letter. The above letter was just a silly prank, correct?

Poland's Betrayal by the Western Allies

Hi, I noticed your vote in the previous VfD on Poland's betrayal by the Western Allies and wanted to let you know that I have reopened the issue and wish for you to please cast your vote at VfD--naryathegreat 23:44, Jul 6, 2004 (UTC)

Requests for comment/24.168.92.117

Hi. I've created Wikipedia:Requests for comment/24.168.92.117 (Keith Wigdor). I saw that you've had persistent problems with this user, and I was wondering if you'd want to certify the dispute. Quadell (talk) 17:30, Jul 29, 2004 (UTC)