Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trunk Space

Trunk Space

Creater removed prod as s/he feels that notabily was established on Talk page. References are two MySpace sites and offical site that crashed my browser. Appears to fail WP:N but you all decide. Mattisse 19:49, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Keep - bad faith nomination - article was created with AfDs in mind, notability established on talk page as to avoid this very process. I will repeat reasons here. 630 unique Google hits for "trunk space" phoenix, 506 unique Google hits for "trunk space" music, and 722 unique Google hits for "trunk space" art. Notable venue in major American city and its music and art scene. Coverage in multiple, non-trivial publications and televison show. See also 924 Gilman Street, ABC No Rio, Che Cafe, The Casbah, The Smell, etc., and the corresponding AfD discussions for Che Cafe and The Smell. It does not fail WP:N or WP:V - the article was written with those in mind! PT ^(s-s-s-s) 19:54, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Counting google hits is a very different thing than looking at the actual results. Seems a lot of people in Phoenix are selling cars with plenty of trunk space. Or they're looking for a ride share and have or need trunk space. Paging through the results finds a huge number of irrelevant entries. Fan-1967 20:05, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's why I used qualifiers like "art" and "music" in the search. I've done this before, Fan-1967. PT ^(s-s-s-s) 20:09, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • You mean like "Limited trunk space, ie: 2 bags per person. Open to music selection"? (That is actually the top item, result #501, that shows on your second search.) Fan-1967 20:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Why don't you go count how many pertain to the venue then? Is there lack of evidence that this place exists, that the shows and events and corresponding coverage are hoaxes? I didn't enter this with my head in the sand, and neither should any other editor. PT ^(s-s-s-s) 20:18, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • No one ever claimed it was a hoax. A lot of the hits do not relate to this plae at all, and the ones that do seem to be simply listings ("appearing 8:00 Thursday the 5th at Trunk Space"). Where are the "non-trivial" references? Fan-1967 20:34, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
          • azcentral.com, which is the website for the Arizona Republic. Phoenix New Times and they're corresponding site, phoenixnewtimes.com. And, the KTVK TV appearence. PT ^(s-s-s-s) 20:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
            • Comment Currently the article just says the venue has been featured in the Phoenix New Times, the Arizona Republic, and on Good Morning Arizona on KTVK.. I think Fan-1967 is actually looking for the sources for these to be included in the article to verify said claims. DrunkenSmurf 21:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete fails WP:V and almost certainly fails WP:SPAM WilyD 20:57, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have already established how it passed WP:V. Tell me how it fails WP:SPAM. It's written in a neutral point of view, it only reports facts already established in reliable sources. Does every article about an establishment or venue fail WP:SPAM? PT ^(s-s-s-s) 21:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • The article contains no verifiable sources thus it fails WP:V. NPOV doesn't really relate to SPAM, although they can go hand in hand. Articles with NPOV can be SPAM, and articles with NPOV may not be SPAM. The defining characteristic of SPAM is that Wikipedia is being used to promote something, rather than document something. Lots of establishments and venues pass WP:SPAM because they're worthy of an encyclopaedia article, which this is not. WilyD 21:08, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • First off, you are assuming bad faith by accusing me of writing the article to promote something. I wrote it because it belongs, just as the other articles about venues belong. I wrote it to document the space, which is a notable contribution to the town (see everything I wrote above). Second, it has been verified. I can add more and more links to stories about the space, and in a few days, I might even be able to post a link to the video from the KTVK appearence. With all that said, what do you really have left to delete this for? PT ^(s-s-s-s) 21:11, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • This remains untrue. I've assumed nothing about you - I judged the article on it's own merits, and made some inferences from what was presented. As the article has no references, it fails WP:V and shows numerous characteristics of being spam, which I cautioned I was not certain of. But that's a usual inference from the fact that it appears to fail WP:CORP. To be perfectly frank, the ad hominem attacks here only further convince me that it's spam. WilyD 21:21, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]