Talk:Xcode

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Screenshots anyone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Int19h (talkcontribs) 09:36, 30 May 2004 (UTC)Reply

Tutorials

Are there any good "Introduction to Xcode"-type tutorials out there? It would be helpful for this article to provide links to them, so that beginning users can learn how to compile simple projects in Xcode. I came here looking for that kind of information, and was disappointed. GPS Pilot 00:15, 27 June 2006 (UTC)Reply

Needs expansion

This article needs a great deal of expansion and should be tagged appropriately. It isn't clear to me how to tag it, though; I feel it's already beyond a stub. -- Steven Fisher 22:55, 2 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

Mac OS X 10.5 / Xcode 3.0

I'm not sure Mac OS X 10.5 and Xcode 3 should be listed in the infobox, since this software isn't released yet. -- Steven Fisher 05:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

The infobox_software template has fields that we can set for a "preview release"; I've filled those out. Hopefully that will reduce the ambiguity of 3.0 a little bit... -/- Warren 07:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

Front end vs. include

The phrasing "Xcode is a front-end for GNU Compiler Collection (GCC)" implies a 1:1 relationship. Includes means contains, which is certainly true of Xcode - the Xcode install includes gcc. -- Steven Fisher 01:08, 29 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

The Xcode install, yes, but Xcode itself, no, imho. Xcode doesn't include gcc more than it includes Interface Builder, gdb, or documentation. gcc still runs without problem if Xcode is removed. But whatever... Engelec 20:19, 29 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

What exactly do you think "include" means? Please go look up "include" in a dictionary. Thanks. -- Steven Fisher 15:33, 30 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
I think exactly the same as the New Oxford American Dictionary which I guess you can read on your Mac: comprise or contain as part of a whole. Xcode.app doesn't include gcc (I've just checked with find even if I knew it already), I bet it doesn't need it, and gcc definitively doesn't need Xcode. And while I'm at it, I don't subscribe to the 1:1 relationship of front-end/back-end. Mathematica, for instance, has a front-end for MathKernel, but MathKernel is also used without this front-end in products such as webMathematica. And ddd is one of many front-ends for gdb, according to ddd home page.Engelec 23:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
Try gcc before and after the Xcode install. Thus, included. -- Steven Fisher 23:56, 30 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
Ok, then if "Xcode" means the whole development tool suite installed with the Xcode package, which is debatable if you read Apple documentation, Xcode also includes Interface Builder. My first reply above wasn't that wrong.Engelec 00:42, 31 August 2006 (UTC)Reply
Oh! I see where you're coming from. I think, then, that the intro sentence needs updating (Xcode is the IDE or the name of the developer tools package), and the includes needs to be reworded as well. -- Steven Fisher 05:06, 31 August 2006 (UTC)Reply