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Terra Naomi


Does not meet any of WP:BAND. Not associated with a Label, no articals specifically and only about Terra. Brian (How am I doing?) 21:06, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment <whistle>, this one is right on the borderline. Granted she does not have a label, but in the West Coast indie music scene that is not necessarily the same indicator of notablity it might be elsewise. I just e-mailed my friend who is an indie music guru. If he's never heard of her, I'm going to vote delete... --Jaysweet 21:12, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete As per my comment above, I asked my friend that is way into all kinds of indie music, and he's never heard of her. That, together with Brian's points above, has me convinced. --Jaysweet 21:21, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Delete I'm right on the edge here. Based on resources I can find on-line, I think the subject technically fails WP:BAND, so I guess I am just barely sticking with a "delete" vote -- but frankly, I believe Wikipedia would be a better place if the article was kept. The artist is known by a fairly wide group of people, and I think one could argue that the unconventional way she achieved this (i.e. via YouTube) is notable in and of itself... --Jaysweet 17:07, 12 September 2006 (UTC) [reply]
  • Keep As pointed out by Ezra, artist appears on soundtrack of notable movie, thereby satisfying WP:BAND. That's all I needed to see. --Jaysweet 14:32, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • KNOWLEDGE needs to be increased never DELETED, if Wikipedia needs space i will donate — Preceding unsigned comment added by Energyshelf (talk • contribs)
Comment I'm a bit of an inclusionist myself, but as long as Wikipedia is 100% free, I'll abide by the rules of those signing the checks -- and quietly lobby for change in the meantime. If I Were King(TM), we'd keep this article... but as per the nom, this pretty clearly fails WP:BAND, and since I ain't Jimbo Wales, I feel the right thing to do is vote delete. Them's the rules. --Jaysweet 22:57, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • i understand the rules and Jimbo Wales, but rules have always been broken for at least the last 100 million years. Maybe Youtube has CHANGED the rules and thank God that Microsoft never dominated Encylopedias...
  • i have product on Youtube, and won't write about myself, yet...
  • do any wiki rules take into account short shelf space (or disc space)
  • and when can i buy the complete English Wikipedia on a DVD? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Energyshelf (talk • contribs)
  • Strong Keep - the truly independent music world is characterized by the phenomenon that you've never heard of most of the people in it. I've never heard of her either but she seems notable to me. As it happens, Terra Naomi has what can be called significant internet prescence; 193,000 hits [1] (compare to established article topics like The Robot Ate Me with 113,000 and The Olivia Tremor Control with 198,000), attention in the blogosphere [2] , and even an appearance in the Internet Archives way back from 2004 [3]. She's done national tours [4], and has even been interviewed on U.S. newschannel CNBC [5]. I'd like to see the non-notability but it isn't there. Keep per WP:MUSIC --AlexWCovington (talk) 01:50, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Before youtube allowed established and/or notable singers such as Diddy and <cough> Paris Hilton to have their own account Terri Naomi was the most subscribed to musician on the site [6]. Given the notoriety and internet sensationalism of the site (see Lonelygirl15, Emmalina, Geriatric1927 etc.), Terri Naomi is not only the most notable indie musician on the site but also among the most notable personalities on the site as well. --† Ðy§ep§ion † Speak your mind 02:09, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Tho' I agree with Jaysweet's conclusion, I feel that the "my friend's an expert" test lacks objectivity. Ghits mainly chat and spam. Subject has one self-released disc, no sign of independent reviews or non-trivial articles, no sign of having toured nationally and thus not appearing to pass WP:MUSIC. Problem shared with most YouTube bands is per WP:RS, which she seems to fail also. Ohconfucius 03:47, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - The subject has toured nationally according to her own website (linked in my vote statement) and the websites of various venues across the country that have hosted her; she has been featured on a major media outlet; she has an internet prescence that is comparable to other indie bands with established articles. The fact that her career has taken off on the Internet more so than any place else (though again, she has toured the US and into Canada) does not make her irrelevant, in fact, it makes Wikipedia perhaps the most valid place to report on her career. --AlexWCovington (talk) 03:59, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - I have promised Alex that I will take another look tomorrow afternoon -- please do not count my vote as final before then. The music scene is evolving right now, and I think that diminishes the value of the "signed to a label" test specified by WP:BAND. Ohconfucius seems to have actually done the research and come up with a delete conclusion, but I admit I haven't done it myself, and that my "ask a friend" test was a little lazy (in fairness, my buddy Pete really does know a crapload about the indie music scene, so it wasn't just like some random friend... but yeah, I should do the research myself). Anyway, I remain borderline. I will research again tomorrow, as per Alex's request, and may change my vote. We shall see. --Jaysweet 04:49, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment For the record, there is no "signed to a label" test -- one of the guidelines is two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels, but this is only one test. Bands meeting any criterion on WP:MUSIC are suitable for Wikipedia. --AlexWCovington (talk) 04:57, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • please guys (right?) don't be so brutal with the rules...

our Subject, i'm certain, has SOLD more CDs than American Idol season one runner up...justin guarini and HE was on one of the most MAJOR record companies ever...(also the doors first album was on a VERY small label...ɸɸɸ) so PLEASE don't be so brutal with "the rules" once upon a time in Germany it was "the rules" to kill jews... ya See, youtube is really new media (like wiki, like google) and will be a VERB before the end of next year... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.113.1.106 (talk)


  • Comment We need Verifiability outside of her website. Something to backup the claims made...more than one source is needed. I could make a website that looks just like her's and claim a lot of things that are not verifiable outside of the website. Thing is wikipedia needs proof, not truth or certainty. She fails both WP:BAND and WP:MUSIC...not to mention WP:BIO. The cnbc story was about not about her exclusively, which an article needs to be. The story has to be about her and only her which it isn't, making the mention trivial (like rolling stone mentioning a website name in passing in an article.) While I like a few of her songs, she doesn't pass the guidelines we set up for music/performers. The rules are the rules. Especially WP:V, WP:NPOV, and WP:OR...those are non-negotiable and can never be ignored. So far, much of this is not verifiable outside of her website.--Brian (How am I doing?) 16:48, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Delete per WP:MUSIC... Alex makes an interesting case for the subject meeting WP:MUSIC, but the best source for that comes from her own website (i.e. tour info) and personally I don't consider that a reliable source. Beyond that, Google hits are meaningless in my opinion; Olivia Tremor Control may have a similar number of Google hits, but they meet WP:MUSIC. All that said, I say weak because she is close to WP:MUSIC; somehow I suspect that in >= another year she will qualify under WP:MUSIC. I'm not an eventualist though and WP:NOT a crystal ball. This can always be recreated when she meets the guidelines.--Isotope23 17:49, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Terra Naomi has been on several national tours, including one opening for pop-star Tyler Hilton, in the summer of 2005. In addition the Wikipedia rules say that "Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show." One of her songs has recently appeared on the soundtrack for the new Maggie Gyllenhall movie "Sherrybaby," which is available on Amazon and iTunes. Ezra 13 September 2006
Comment Indeed! [7]
Sherrybaby has its own WP article, so perhaps this is the WP:BAND criteria we are looking for? --Jaysweet 14:28, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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