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September 20

Category:Users in Defense of Userboxes and Individuality on Wikipedia (UDUIW)

Nominated for deletion. Could probably be speedy deleted as inflammatory and divisive, but what the hell, let's try process. This frankly combative category only serves to attempt to continue the userbox wars long after the peace accord has been agreed upon. --Cyde Weys 04:28, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

September 17

More soccer categories

Some new ones, created between the last nomination and its implementation. The abbreviation always matches the league's conventions.--Mike Selinker 20:59, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Members of Esperanto organizations

Rename to Category:Wikipedians in Esperanto organizations. -- ProveIt (talk) 19:48, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

September 15

Category:Wikipedians who use the Open Directory Project

Moved from WP:CFD without opinion. -- nae'blis 02:23, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who use the Open Directory Project to Category:Wikipedians who contribute to the Open Directory Project

Category:IP addresses with rotating users

Category:IP addresses with rotating users (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

September 14

Category:Psychology Wikipedians

Category:Psychology Wikipedians into Category:Wikipedian psychologists

September 13

Category:WFD2008

Merge into Category:Wikipedians for Denver 2008, for 2008 Democratic National Convention. -- ProveIt (talk) 14:49, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

September 12

Category:User degree/PhD to Category:Wikipedians with Ph.D. degrees

I'm not sure which way to go on degrees. We have a couple options:

  • Wikipedians with Ph.D. degrees
  • Wikipedians with Doctor of Philosophy degrees
  • Wikipedians with Doctorates of Philosophy
  • Wikipedian Doctors of Philosophy (don't much like that one)

And maybe others. Anybody have any opinions on which way to go here? I'll withdraw and relist when I get some advice.--Mike Selinker 20:49, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think I prefer the first option, since it could standardize nicely to Category:Wikipedians with Foo degrees. Perhaps there could be subcats for Bachelors and Masters? -- ProveIt (talk) 23:35, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Not necessarily a subcat. For instance I have a Ph.D. but no Bachelors or Masters degree. Most graduate students at CalTech do not get a Masters degree unless they need it for a summer job pay increment or are about to fail out of the Ph.D. program. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 00:55, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians/Ninjas to Category:Ninja Wikipedians

Just completing the thought from the closed nomination below. I'm fine with either delete, rename, or a different rename to category:Wikipedians interested in ninjas.--Mike Selinker 20:52, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

September 11

Debabelization, part 1

rename:

and delete:

I’ve nominated these as such because I’m pushing for the limitation of the Babel template to ONLY languages (computer or spoken). Babel makes sense for languages, because Wikipedia is a site that requires translation and coding; its purpose was to link people who had different skills in languages so that the creation of an international and well-coded Wikipedia could proceed. But it makes less sense for movie preferences, games, piloting, and (ulp) musical instruments. If these pass, I’ll propose changing all category:User instruments categories to normal Wikipedian categories. But only if. (Note: All user boxes will be preserved, but it may change where they point to.)--Mike Selinker 04:22, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - Ok, you just confused the heck out of me. I think I can isolate it to this sentence:
  • "I’m pushing for the limitation of the Babel template to ONLY languages"
What do you mean by "babel template"? - jc37 04:50, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Babel (see Wikipedia:Babel) is a system for rating users by a specific level of proficiency in something. It was created for languages because Wikipedia needs translation, and users could go to each other for help. Here and there, though, it crept into other user categories, in my opinion in an inappropriate manner.--Mike Selinker 06:02, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I think I understand now. It's was the numeric structure of babel box organization that you were talking about. - jc37
  • I would also support deleting those, and for that matter all preference-based "do not like" categories (as opposed to political or lifestyle choices like vegetarianism or pro-life positions). I fixed the typo.--Mike Selinker 06:02, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've been trying to think of an example where the "not" categories are useful, but other than disclosing a bias, I can't think of any. And personally, I think it's possible for someone to dislike something, and still have an NPOV about it. So starting to agree with deletion of the Wikipedian "not" categories (except languages/programming languages). Since it's just the three of us so far, and we're in agreement, perhaps change the nom? - jc37 06:40, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
OK, we'll try it (renominated above), but if we get any objections, I'll probably change it back, and then I might nominate all of them after all the renaming is done.--Mike Selinker 06:56, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
These are the ones that I could find that might fit the description: category:Wikipedians who dislike George W. Bush, category:Wikipedians who dislike piercings, category:Wikipedians who dislike tattoos, category:Wikipedians who do not care what their astrological sign is, category:Wikipedians who do not drink soda, category:Wikipedians who do not eat cheese, category:Wikipedians who do not eat high fructose corn syrup, category:Wikipedians who do not like Slayer, category:Wikipedians who do not like iPods, category:Wikipedians who don't believe in IQ, category:Wikipedians who hate Internet Explorer, category:Wikipedians who hate hip hop, category:Wikipedians who do not use Mozilla Firefox, category:Wikipedians who do not use Internet Explorer, category:Wikipedians that dislike Wikipedia:German userbox solution, category:Wikipedians that dislike history, category:Wikipedians that don't believe in Santa. The Bush, IQ, userbox, and Santa ones seem more legit to me for some reason.--Mike Selinker 08:01, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:RC scripted users

Category:RC scripted users to Category:Wikipedians who use RC script

September 10

Misc. "Users" categories

Preparing to tackle the language and musical instrument categories, I cleaned out about 100 empty categories beginning with User or Users that replicated new Wikipedian ones, but these remained. The ones at the top I’m pretty confident about (though obviously if the food and drink categories go away, the drink ones here will too), but as it goes along I had to make up a few new names. Suggest alternatives.--Mike Selinker 21:04, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedians by diet

Commercial

Addition:

Not included, may need to be moved if the others are deleted, or nominated for deletion seperately:

Strong Delete all. Quite simply, these categories are unencyclopedic, trivial and useless.

The longer rationale: Whilst I have no strong objection to people placing userboxes on their pages about these things (although I prefer the GUS), categorising users by whether or not they like strawberries or drink coffee adds nothing to the encyclopedia and makes us look amateurish. This is not MySpace folks, it's an enyclopedia.

In general, we don't categorise user pages. There are exceptions to this, such as WikiProject memberships, hobbies and recreational interests which might genuinely aid with bonding or the formation of WikiProjects, whether a user is an admin or not, and so on. Categorising a user based on whether they like their steak rare or burnt just isn't one of those exceptions.

This nomination covers the entire Category:Wikipedians by diet, with the exception of the vegetarian and cooking categories which I feel are not at the same level - cooking is a hobby/occupation, vegetanariasm is a serious lifestyle choice unlike Pepsi v Coke or McD vs Burger King. --kingboyk 12:33, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as per nom., but treat the Helal and Kosher ones in the same way as the Vegetarian ones. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:22, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep, Silly, but "mostly harmless"; people are using them. -- ProveIt (talk) 13:38, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I don't consider these less important than one's political beliefs, musical preferences, or video game habits. It seems harmless and rather likable to me.--Mike Selinker 13:41, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete the categories that are not excluded - I'm usually a big supporter of user categories, but I agree with kingboyk's reasoning on this. An editor's food preferences are not going to help with writing any articles. I do think it is good to keep the ones that were excluded since they refer to more general lifestyle choices that reflect knowledge about a variety of topics, and they don't tend to lend themselves to overcategorization like the individual food categories. However, I strongly agree with keeping Category:Wikipedians who keep Halal and Category:Wikipedians who keep kosher since those are also major lifestyle choices that can affect more articles than individual foods. I'm okay with keeping Category:Wikipedians by diet as the main category for the few categories that we are keeping (unless someone has a better suggestion for where to put them), but all of the individual food categories can go. You can see more of my reasoning behind this at WP:USERCAT. --Cswrye 14:21, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Sugarpine 15:26, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong delete The category namespace is for articles, not user trivia. Martin 16:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep qwm 17:41, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - While my first inclination is to "Keep" all, since these are similar to other interests/preferences that help wikipedians know preference/interest/bias which I feel can generally be helpful in developing the encyclopedia, I don't think mundane food preference in this case is notable enough. Whether I eat apples or not isn't likely to make as much difference in editing the article on apples. (And I would not oppose the deletion of the associated userboxes, for the same reasons.) In short:
    • Keep the dietary specific ones.
    • Keep the commercial ones (Pepsi, McDonald's, etc)
    • Keep all the beverage and candy ones - they are useful and helpful, since they are more about a consistant preference, typically exclusive to other choices.
    • Delete the rest
    • - jc37 18:14, 10 September 2006 (UTC) - (udate by jc37 21:34, 13 September 2006 (UTC))[reply]
  • Delete, This is a vanity category and serves no encyclopedic purpose. OscarTheCat 21:14, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Rama's arrow 21:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • At least move the maintenance of Wikipedian categories etc away from the maintenance of encyclopedic matter. Regards, David Kernow 01:25, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all (except the excluded ones). They're pretty harmless, but these characteristics are just too trivial to deserve categories. And there is no limit to the number. Users will continue to create them for every food that exists on this planet. They serve absolutely no use. --musicpvm 02:48, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, useless. Punkmorten 09:47, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • By the way, if this nomination passes and some of the big ones are kept (vegetarian, halal, kosher), I would recommend category:Wikipedians by diet become category:Wikipedians by dietary philosophy, and then anything that makes sense as a lifestyle choice would make sense under that. If the coffee drinkers want to start a movement called "coffeeterians" or something, great. But otherwise, if it's not a philosophy, it wouldn't go in there.--Mike Selinker 14:59, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep All They add personality to editors, it's easier to talk to users/admins/etc then under less ridged conditions for some users. Adds comfort level.Hackajar 15:13, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, if all these are not deleted, the first two "do not eat" categories should at least be deleted. It is ridiculously trivial for users to categorize themselves by what they do NOT eat. --musicpvm 16:45, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep All, and for what it's worth the nomination's categorization as important or unimportant is completely random and meaningless. To me, vegetarianism or keeping halal is trivial compared to, say, beer -- and there's quite a large Wikiproject associated with beer, so it should still fit into the relevant exceptions or whatever and stay. Silly nom, but anyway: keep all. --Daniel11 17:32, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Erm, no. If there's already a WikiProject Beer then the category you're looking for is Category:WikiProject Beer participants. That's helpful to the Wikipedia infrastructure. The categories I've nominated are not and the only silly thing round here is these categories, thank you very much. --kingboyk 17:43, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • I disagree. Clearly people with a common interest like homebrewing or beer consumption, which are pursued as seriously as homosexuality or any of the other things that are "legitimate," are conducive to users communicating and working together on Wikipedia topics -- in addition to the Beer Project, which is also useful as a concrete piece of infrastructure for organizing Wikipedia editing, but is not the only useful kind of infrastructure. IMHO. --Daniel11 18:15, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Or, for instance, Category:Wikipedians who listen to The KLF ;) --Daniel11 18:26, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • Lol, good shot! Affinity to a band is rather more lifechanging than liking strawberries though isn't it?! :) Let me just state now, though, in case these categories do get deleted - my beverages of choice are coffee and real ale (but not at the same time). --kingboyk 22:02, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
          • Well, at least you've got good taste in beverages. ;) I agree with your example, but I think to make a general rule of it won't work as it depends so strongly on particular cases. E.g., the Beatles probably had a deeper effect on many people than strawberries, but beer seems a lot more meaningful than the Cheeky Girls. Not that there's anything wrong with strawberries or Cheeky Girls. Anyway, got to run, but I think at least some of those categories above are useful, at the very least the beer one! --Daniel11 22:39, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
            • Wow. Thank you, Daniel11, for introducing me to the Cheeky Girls in your comment above. I have now acquired a copy of "The Cheeky Song (Touch My Bum)", and am listening to it, while consuming a beer. I'm not sure which is more meaningful. "Worst pop record of all time," huh? Wow. -GTBacchus(talk) 22:48, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
              • You should get the video. If you like that kind of thing, which I do :) They're not misnamed, put it that way. --kingboyk 23:03, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
                • Ok, I saw it, and... it was kind of good, but it kind of sapped my will to live, much more than the song alone did. I think I'll say delete per nom. I'm in favor of letting Somnabot keep his "This user drinks beer" userbox, but there really isn't any need for these categories, and when we have to expend bot resources for managing these user categories (see WP:AN#User Categories), it's time to cut out a bunch of chaff. This user doesn't eat chaff. Maybe cheeky chaff... -GTBacchus(talk) 23:26, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        • I'm beginning to think that this will have a better chance of passing, if relisted with the the beverages, and commercial brands withdrawn (though they could be nominated later I presume). What do you think? - jc37 22:33, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
          • In theory I have no objections, but I'm not really persuaded by the argument in favour of keeping the commercial categories. If anything I think they serve as an advertisement and are more deserving of deletion than the others. If you want to split the listing - or renominate - I don't mind, but I can't speak for the other participants of course :) --kingboyk 10:18, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
            • Well, We're already hearing from beer... The idea is that inclusion in the category will show interest / bias. And as such, such categories are helpful to the editing community. Beer is an extension of that commercial preference (you don't think cola drinkers feel the same?). I'm starting to waver on the restaurant chain ones, however. Other than McD's and BK, there doesn't seem to be direct competition. I am guessing that most of us eat at whatever ones are nearby/convenient, just at different times. Compare to the cola drinker who won't drink anything but Pepsi, or the person who must have their Coke in the morning. The same goes for chocolate candy eaters - M&Ms, hershey bars, and so on. (Modifying my vote above. - jc37 21:34, 13 September 2006 (UTC))[reply]
  • Strong Keep -- Although there is possibly limited potential for these categories, I feel that they at least create a better sense of community. Plus, I love my "This user drinks beer" Userbox. If developed properly the majority of the above categories could very well be instrumental or otherwise useful. Somnabot 18:33, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - as if Users couldn't just list this kind of thing themselves; I don't think there's a need for a centralized list so I can browse people who drink root beer. Lambertman 12:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all per nom. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:54, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. We are building an encyclopedia, not swapping snippets of our lives with each other. Steve block Talk 22:38, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Candidates for WP:BJAODN. -- Rick Block (talk) 23:43, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all, except halal and kosher categories, per above. --bainer (talk) 00:25, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all except those which are directly associated with a Wikiproject. --tjstrf 02:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all per nom. Keep your "I eat apples" userboxes if you really need to tell the world that, but a category grouping all apple eaters (or swedish fish eaters, or RC cola drinkers, etc, etc) are not needed. --Kbdank71 10:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all per nom. the wub "?!" 11:18, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete --Doc 14:45, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Umbrella: Homosexual Wikipedians

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The result of the debate was Oppose/Keep. per WP:SNOW and I Know when to step down. DemosDemon 22:47, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge the listed categories into Category:Homosexual Wikipedians per Political Correctness and gender neutrality. DemosDemon 01:22, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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September 9

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The result of the debate was Delete. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 21:13, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:User koi-0

Delete, userbox category for wikipedians who somehow find themselves without a koi pond. -- ProveIt (talk) 22:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was Rename —— Eagle (ask me for help) 21:22, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedian Dittoheads

Rename to Category:Wikipedians who listen to Rush Limbaugh, to match Category:Wikipedians who listen to Howard Stern. -- ProveIt (talk) 19:31, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:WWE fans of Wikipedia

Rename to Category:Wikipedian World Wrestling Entertainment fans, to match Category:Wikipedian Major League Baseball fans. -- ProveIt (talk) 19:20, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedian LSU alumni

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The result of the debate was Merge—— Eagle (ask me for help) 00:03, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Louisiana State University. -- ProveIt (talk) 13:53, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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September 8

Wikipedians by alma mater

A lot of simple fixes here to a simple template. “Alma mater” is used consistently in these categories to mean “current or former student,” and makes no claim about what kind of school it is. So category:Wikipedians by high school makes no sense because many things we call high schools are in category:Wikipedians by alma mater.--Mike Selinker 00:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Quite honestly, I would prefer "Wikipedians from (school)" to include current and former students, but I don't want to nominate hundreds of categories for change based on that. If someone else does, we can talk about it.--Mike Selinker 21:54, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, I think the name(s) should have "attended" or "graduated" in it/them (I don't think "from" is correct semantically). And we might as well do it now, rather than have to do this twice... I think one way in which we can expedite the process with be to edit the involved user boxes. If you would like to propose them all for the rename, I'll volunteer to make the UBX changes (presuming we can find them all - WP:GUS is making finding UBXs much more difficult). - jc37 22:06, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Understood. I'm just interested in accuracy, and since there is a "question" about the applicability of the phrase "alma mater". I think we should go with the more common usage (which would be: "graduated", or at least "attended". - jc37 21:34, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedian students

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The result of the debate was Rename and Delete per nomination (some cats are getting deleted, some renamed)—— Eagle (ask me for help) 23:58, 19 September 2006 (UTC) rename:[reply]

and delete:

Trying to match the occupational categories. The latter two have to go because of WP:CHILD.--Mike Selinker 00:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Support last two, not sure about others - I don't know about other countries, but in Canada "college" refers specifically to "trade schools" (diploma programs) while "university" refers to "academic" schools (bachelor/master/PhD programs). They're not interchangeable. "Wikipedian university students" should be left alone. Likewise, Canada doesn't use the terms "freshmen" (much), "sophomore", "junior" and "senior" to refer to high school years. -HKMarks 01:10, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I didn't know that about "university". I've withdrawn that one. Not sure what to do about "freshmen" and "sophomores". I guess we could propose dumping all the high school students in the same category.--Mike Selinker 01:11, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't really have a problem with those. "First/second/third/fourth year high school students" would work, but really it depends on international usage. We actually use "Grade 9-12" here, so I don't know what the most common terms are. -HKMarks 01:22, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if there's not an equivalent, I guess we go with freshmen and sophomore until someone decides they really need "grade 9 students".--Mike Selinker 01:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

*Rename category:Wikipedians in college to category:Wikipedian college students. Keep Category:Wikipedian university students. Delete the rest as potentially age related categories, and because not every country has the US educational breakdown. - jc37 17:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Media Center users

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The result of the debate was Already closed on standard CFD Tim! 08:22, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Wikipedians who use Windows XP Media Center, to match Windows XP Media Center Edition. -- ProveIt (talk) 21:13, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Windows users

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The result of the debate was Already closed on standard CFD Tim! 08:21, 17 September 2006 (UTC) (Already closed on standard CFD)[reply]

Merge into Category:Wikipedians who use Windows. -- ProveIt (talk) 21:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Caffeine Users

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The result of the debate was rename Tim! 08:20, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Wikipedian caffeine users, it is a another userbox category. -- ProveIt (talk) 14:16, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Caffeine Users to Category:Wikipedian caffeine users

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September 7

Category:Wikipedians who insist on having the word lobster in every article

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The result of the debate was speedy delete, recreation, nonsense. Kbdank71 02:48, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who insist on having the word lobster in every article (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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Category:Wikipedians that use Flash

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The result of the debate was rename Tim! 08:14, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Wikipedians who use Adobe Flash, convention of Category:Wikipedians by software. -- ProveIt (talk) 16:42, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"Adoble"? Grutness...wha? 23:24, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for noticing that, it's fixed now. -- ProveIt (talk) 03:54, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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