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Hello Kris. I had outlined in my previous message why forum links are disapproved of. Anyhow, you might be interested in opening a request for comment ticket on this issue. You could also ask at Wikipedia talk:External links for comments. Also, it is not necessary to remove previous conversations from your talk page. See Wikipedia:Archiving for instructions on archiving talk pages. -- thunderboltz(Deepu) 06:44, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Carnatic music
The changes you have made today to Carnatic music goes against extensive discussion held in the talk pages. The information on the Tamil music and Tamil trinity have been fully cited. I will be reverting your edits. If you want to make such extensive changes first discuss and let us reach a consensus - Parthi talk/contribs 20:26, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
- btw, am not sure Venu is an admin. I may be mistaken though. Sarvagnya 22:31, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
- No. Any user can revert anybody's edits. Even you can revert his edits if you want. What I am not sure is that he is an admin. Atleast I dont see it mentioned on his user page. Sarvagnya 22:43, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
- btw, it is not just Carnatic music. Similar chauvinistic colour is being given to Bharatanatya article also. Atleast that was the way it was when I last saw it. I havent checked that article in a few months. Sarvagnya 22:47, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
- To use an aussie expression, don't get your knickers in a knot over this. All wanted you to do was go through the past extensive discussions that have happened in the past in the Carnatic music page before you run though the article and make extensive changes. All past changes have been discussed and agreed. Any mention of the Tamil music influence in the evolution of Carnatic music has been cited properly according to WP:CITE. You cannot arbitarairly change content without discussion. That is my only point. I am not trying to impose my so called POV here. FYI I am not an admin. I am just a productive editor. Not a spammer. - Parthi talk/contribs 23:03, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
- Let me warn you gently not to indulge in personal attacks. Don't call me names. You may get banned if you do that. If you have something useful to contribute to the article, please do so. Most of all assume good faith in other editors. You may try and gather support from other users. But eventually consensus will prevail. - Parthi talk/contribs 23:25, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
- To use an aussie expression, don't get your knickers in a knot over this. All wanted you to do was go through the past extensive discussions that have happened in the past in the Carnatic music page before you run though the article and make extensive changes. All past changes have been discussed and agreed. Any mention of the Tamil music influence in the evolution of Carnatic music has been cited properly according to WP:CITE. You cannot arbitarairly change content without discussion. That is my only point. I am not trying to impose my so called POV here. FYI I am not an admin. I am just a productive editor. Not a spammer. - Parthi talk/contribs 23:03, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
- Calling someone a liar is considered a personal attack. Always comment on the edits, not the editor. I never called you a spammer. I said 'I am not a spammer'. Read the Carnatic music talk page calmly. Read User:Aadal justification for inclusion of the Adi Trinity. The article does not claim that the Tamil Trinity were suprior than the Carnatic Trinity. - Parthi talk/contribs 23:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
- btw, it is not just Carnatic music. Similar chauvinistic colour is being given to Bharatanatya article also. Atleast that was the way it was when I last saw it. I havent checked that article in a few months. Sarvagnya 22:47, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
- No. Any user can revert anybody's edits. Even you can revert his edits if you want. What I am not sure is that he is an admin. Atleast I dont see it mentioned on his user page. Sarvagnya 22:43, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
- Hi Kris, this is what I had written long back. If anybody says that a consensus was reached about adi trinity and that I was part of that consensus, then, fair to say, its a lie. Sarvagnya 00:22, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
- One more. note that in this I've brought in Appar.. that is probably an error. But my main argument holds. btw pardon the harsh lang in this diff, if it hurts you as a Tamilian. Also note that in this diff also I've asserted that tamil isai is NOT Carnatic music. Sarvagnya 00:34, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
- While we are indulging going over past history, let me also include a diff to give the other side. This is from User:Aadal [1]. Nowhere did the article claim that Ancient Tamil music was Carnatic music. All it said was the evolution of Carnatic music was influenced by Ancient Tamil music rather than any northern islamic influences as Hindustani music was. Now, if you want to mention that Ancient Kannada and Telugu music also had influences, by all means include them and write separate articles about these similar to the Ancient Tamil music article.
- The article also does not claim that the three Tamil composer who happen to live before the well known carnatic Trinity were superior to the Trinity. While outlining the history of Carnatic music, it is essential to include major contributors to the evolution. The Tamil composers such as Muthu Thandavar do belong in that mention. It is not POV, but fact. There is no claim of Tamil superiority in this. In fact I am the one who had done major clean up of the article and created the dozens of articles in the List of Carnatic composers. I have no POV to push. It seems to me that you and Sarvagnya have a POV against Tamil contributions to Carnatic music.- Parthi talk/contribs 00:58, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Protecting
I'll leave this one for a little bit; it's only been briefly unprotected, and as it stands there has only been 2 reverts so far. My advice is to not revert yourself as well - even if you fell you are in the right and the others are wrong - and to concentrate on resolving issues on the talk page. If this can't be done, there is always the Wikipedia:Dispute resolution process. --Robdurbar 08:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Kris
- I had removed the extreme povs of this pov pusher few days ago.It looks like I have to repeat it again.-Bharatveer 06:03, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Carnatic Composers article
Hi Kris, I 'restructured' the article on Carnatic composers thus. Please take a look and see if its okay. Thanks. Sarvagnya 21:46, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Unnecessary Edits on Majestic Kambhoji
Hi
I think you are being unnecessary sensitive and making uncalled for changes in the articles for no valid reasons (For instance on Kambhoji). And the nomenclature Majestic Kambhoji is not POV. Other noted Musicologists also call Kamboji as Majestic Raga because it's definitely so.
For Instance, P P Narayanaswami remarks on Kambhoji: A major rAgam that enjoys the same status as those of the “big four” meLams, tODi, kharaharapriya, sha”nkarAbharaNam, and kalyANi. KAmbhoji gives ample scope for detailed AlApana. Therefore, it is well suited for rendering a major k.rti, or an elaborate pallavi exposition, both of which call for a detailed improvisation. It lends itself to excellent tAnam renditions. It can be sung in any tempo. It is a “varnana pradAna “ and a tristhAyi” rAgam. Being a popular rAgam, all sorts of compositions exist in kAmbhOji. Every composer has snatched an opportunity to contribute to this rAgam. In essence it is indeed a majestic rAgam! (See Majestic Kambhoji, by P P Narayanaswami [2])
Hope you will stop unnecassirly editing the articles.
Sze cavalry01 03:01, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi
If you find other Ragas qualified as Majestic, let it be so too. It does not hurt anybody. Since Kambhoji has been qualified as Majestic, Royal, noble etc (wheter for subjectve reasons or otherwise) by many Musuicologists, the Majestic qualifier is therefore not out of place and should stand. That only means that Kambhoji is indeed ragarded as such by the Sangit maestros. Hence it is not out of place to refer to the Raga as such in Wikipedia if the Raga finds similar mention in other sites also.
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WikiProject Vedanta
Hello Skris - Sounds like an intersting project. Just a small note: please could you post project tags on the discussion pages of articles rather than in the articles themselves. Many thanks, ys GourangaUK 09:10, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Nātyasāstra
Revert the article title to Nātyasāstra from Bharata Natya Shastra. Sreekanthv 08:50, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Sangam article
- I don't need you to tell me what original research is
- If you want to improve an article, simply tagging it is not enough.
- The article says 'Sangam Legends'
- The second paragraph says that there is no archealogical evidence found to support these legends.
- The OR tag is not appropriate for this article. I am removing it
Watch your language
Regarding this outburst, I am warning you sternly to mind your tone and language. Commenting adversely on other editors is considered personal attacks. Try to hold a congent dialog with User:Aadal with civil language based on facts. Simply screaming 'propaganda' won't get you anywhere. Try to contribute usefully to some articles in WP. All I have seen you do so far in WP is spam hundreds of pages with links to your forum website and abuse other peoples views on the Carnatic music talk page. - Parthi talk/contribs 22:08, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
FYI
[3]. Thanks. Sarvagnya 22:21, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I pity you
Dear friend ,
I pity you. What is your aim in wikipedia. I know you are very jelousy. I found you tried to give request to delete the article of both Concerts by Yesudas and and Album by Yesudas.
I pity you. Because at the same time you made the details of Concerts and albums of chembai. I think that is good. But I really felt your mentality. If there is an article of Yesudas it is nothing to reduce for chembai. Since some time I checked your Personal attack on Yesudas and Balamurali krishna. I know you are either a relative or a fan of Checmbai.
If you hadnt read the article of Concert and Album by Yesudas you did not do that. But you did a third rate thing. I pity u, I pity u ..............
One thing you should know that you are not only waisting your time in Dilli but also others time.
It is nice to meet a jelousy. I request you please out from wikipedia.
K.J
I understand that you are not pushing povs there.But regarding those articles related to Yesudas , pls see wiki guidline Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not & Wiki is not paper.-Bharatveer 08:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Regarding Merger of Tamil Martial Arts
Hi,
Thank you for your suggestion. However, it would not be necessary since Tamil Martial Arts itself has an array of empty hand and weapons fighting arts. In Kerala, there are many empty hand and weapons fighting techniques of its own. Therefore it would be good to leave Tami Martial arts by itself, but also to keep it as a See Also in the Dravidian Martial Arts section. Also, I plan to expand Dravidian Martial arts section to includ Andra Pradesh and Karnataka. It would be great to find the fighting techniques of those states as well. I have heard that there is a Silambam style of art in Karnataka and Andra Pradesh with its own names. As soon as I find out more info on those arts it will be added to the Dravidian Martial Arts page. Much regards.
Chembai
The article is looking good. I'm a bit busy these days. Will take a look and post my comments soon. Keep the good work coming.--thunderboltz(Deepu) 13:08, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi SrKris
Dear Srkris, I was just note this things to some people who belong to south India. It was not a personal attack to you. I just asked them to modify this article. because this article had started by me. This is not a personal information of Yesudas. This is only Album or concert details. This article belong to Live album, Concert category not personal or living person. I am sorry In this way. And If you think so it is personal please try to modify this into a standard Version. I know you can do this well. Rgds jyothish 05:45, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
re: wikistalking
Kris, perhaps the recent contributions have changed, but I don't see any issue with Parthi's contributions on a passing glance. Such issues, if raised, will need careful scrutiny and would warrant an RfC and I can't simply act on my own. Moreover, I don't want to take any direct discretionary admin action against anyone in this issue. I'll only offer my suggestions and comments. I seriously wish that both sides just drop the fight and start engaging in constructive dialogue. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 06:26, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Kris. Glad to see your confidence in my neutrality. The fact that you're ready to apologise for whatever little offense that you might have caused is a huge step forward. I'll also ask Parthi to apologise for any of his offenses. Let's not try to measure who was more offensive. In fact, there need not even be apologies from either side, but just an open mind to listen and favourably consider the other party's views. From whatever I glean from the discussions, the point of dispute is just the extent of influence that ATM had on CM so as to mention it in a summary article. You can open a new section, state whatever you agree with Aadal and not mention disagreements - they're already obvious now. Once that's made, a draft can be prepared with both sides conceding some from their positions. Ideally, this is the job of an eventual mediator, but let me stand in till that time. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 06:49, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Chembai
Your article is good but it doesn't gives information about Chembai's birthplac ( which is at Palakkad) and it doesnt gives an account about his his famous bhajan in order to recover from his dumbness etc. if you can add those it will be great. Sreekanthv 16:38, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Hinduism Barnstar
Maybe You might want to make a Hinduism Barnstar?--D-Boy 02:56, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
- This might be helpful. Wikipedia:Barnstars You're allowed to edit the original barnstar.--D-Boy 06:46, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
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Spamming
I'll drop you from my watchlist when you stop your spamming - Parthi talk/contribs 07:21, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- Nice to see this coming from one of the most blatant pov pushers of wikipedia himself.-Bharatveer 15:07, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- Good to see this compliment from a notorious reverter and the most unproductive editor in WP. - Parthi talk/contribs 19:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- Nice to see this coming from one of the most blatant pov pushers of wikipedia himself.-Bharatveer 15:07, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- If you care to read the WP guideline for harassment, it says, and I quote:
- The term "wiki-stalking" has been coined to describe following a contributor around the wiki, editing the same articles as the target, with the intent of causing annoyance or distress to another contributor.
- This does not include checking up on an editor to fix errors or violations of Wikipedia policy, nor does it mean reading a user's contribution log; those logs are public for good reason. The important part is the disruption - disruption is considered harmful.
- My intentions are not to cause distress to anyone. Your contributions are not above anyone's scrutiny. You are most welcome to scrutinise my contributions. I am merely cleaning up after your violations of WP policy on spamming. Inserting links to your own websites in hundreds of articles is not allowed under WP guidelines and is considered spamming and you have been found out doing it not only under your user id, but using a pool of anonymous ips which can be traced to you. So don't try this phurphie on me. - Parthi talk/contribs 21:25, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- But most of them had everything to do with your spamming. The rest is a genuine attempt at cleaning up un sourced statements. They are not, according to WP:Harassment, attempts at disrupting editing. In fact they enhanced the value of your edits. - Parthi talk/contribs 04:52, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- Re: [4] - exacly my point. You have never accepted that you tried to spam WP with links to your various sites. My attempts are removing them annoyed you, causing your reaction in the Carnatic music article. - Parthi talk/contribs 05:06, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- Can you tell me which of my edits were non productive, caused you distress and distrupted your productive editing, according to the relevant WP policy? - Parthi talk/contribs 05:18, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- User:venu, Stop your harassment tactics against User:kris and try to do something useful in wikipedia.-Bharatveer 07:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- Something useful? He's produce[d] a featured article and is on his way to one more. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 07:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- "Something useful? He's produce a featured article and is on his way to one more."
- I would like to see those "productive " works , but I still dont understand why an admin like you takes the pain to defend such a pov pusher.-Bharatveer 08:06, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- I'm not acting in my sysop capacity here, just answering that from what I know of him. Your comment to "do something useful" appeared to me as misdirected given Chola dynasty and that's why I said that. I'll continue to defend him or anyone else where I think is appropriate. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 09:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- Something useful? He's produce[d] a featured article and is on his way to one more. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 07:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- User:venu, Stop your harassment tactics against User:kris and try to do something useful in wikipedia.-Bharatveer 07:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- Can you tell me which of my edits were non productive, caused you distress and distrupted your productive editing, according to the relevant WP policy? - Parthi talk/contribs 05:18, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- Re: [4] - exacly my point. You have never accepted that you tried to spam WP with links to your various sites. My attempts are removing them annoyed you, causing your reaction in the Carnatic music article. - Parthi talk/contribs 05:06, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
- But most of them had everything to do with your spamming. The rest is a genuine attempt at cleaning up un sourced statements. They are not, according to WP:Harassment, attempts at disrupting editing. In fact they enhanced the value of your edits. - Parthi talk/contribs 04:52, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
By the way, I read somewhere that Kris apologised citing ignorance of Wikipedia rules regarding spamming. If so, it's best to leave that matter in good faith. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 08:01, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Sundar, I repeat it was not spamming, regardless of what you may think. WP has a guideline not to include links to forum threads. That is the issue here. Otherwise the links I gave are very relevant to the articles in which I provided external links. Stop calling it as spamming when you are not aware of the case. Venu62 is acting malicious and everyone of us knows it here. See his talk page for all the evidence I have shown him for his own actions.-- ॐ Kris ( talk | contribs) 11:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)