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Hamshenis
Barış! To the best of my knowledge, Murat Karayalçın does have immediate Hamsheni roots, although he was born in Samsun. For Mesut Yılmaz, I do think that he has a Hamsheni connection but it's very distant and is really not worth mentioning. He has Bosniak connections too and even a Russian grandmother, but after all he is not mentioned in the articles on Bosniaks and Russians:) You will see that User:Macukali wrote a beautiful article on Hamshenis in the Turkish wikipedia. It is always better to have someone who has direct knowledge of the people who constitute the subject matter. Cretanforever 21:19, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
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Hi, As I see, you are posting many POV messages, comments on talk pages. Are you admin? WhiteHero 21:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- ?? Can u be more specific? Baristarim 21:53, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2006_November_16, You are managing discussions, posting many comments. Is this a voting or looking for consensus? See you.WhiteHero 22:01, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry, what? which article?.WhiteHero 22:08, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- No, I am not admin.. :))) But you have an interesting take on things. Interestingly, some users out there might agree with you :))) It is not a vote per se, people can say "keep" or "delete", but at the end of the day it is the concensus that is important, not dry votes.. Welcome to Wikipedia by the way, if you have any questions, don't hesitate to contact me.. Baristarim 22:09, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- Dont worry about that, i got confused.. try using the ":" instead of "*" for replies.. Cheers! Baristarim 22:10, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- Are you Russian,Tartar,? I think your name is real. Thanks for your advices. Bye.WhiteHero 22:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- Not quite :)) Have a look at my userpage: User:Baristarim, I am originally Turkish, but grew up in the US and live in France at the moment. My name is Baris, Tarim is my last name. No problems, any time :)) Baristarim 22:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- Are you Russian,Tartar,? I think your name is real. Thanks for your advices. Bye.WhiteHero 22:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry, what? which article?.WhiteHero 22:08, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Check your "last" wiki mail.I hope you can help for this case.WhiteHero 22:21, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
link,important
Please take a look. Regards MustTC 10:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
Allah ud-Din
The name is certainly Allāh ud-Dīn - that's the correct transliteration from Arabic. I know that many people spell and pronounce it worng. The ud- is actually an al- ... but al-Dīn is usually turned into an ud-Dīn in Arabic. I guess you are referring to Allāh ud-Dīn Kay-Qubādh. The second part of his name, Kay-Qubādh, is taken from Persian Kay Kubād, a mythical Iranian hero. In Ferdousi's Shahnameh, it's mentioned as Kay-Qubādh - very obiously Arabicized.
Pictures taken in a public place are not "automatically released into public ___domain"
I'm afraid you're mistaken in such statements like this and this. It may even be true is some countries, but not in the U.S., where the Wikimedia's servers stay. Take good care. --Abu Badali 21:48, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
History of Turkic Civilization
I did read the entire discussion, thank you; all 150-odd kb of it. In the end, I feel the arguments for deletion were stronger than the keep arguments; if you want my advice, break apart the ancient portions of the turkic history from the modern history - they're just too disparate to consider in the same timeline. You're welcome to challenge the closing of the tfd at WP:DRV. --humblefool® 10:10, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
MKA
Please take a look Talk:Mustafa Kemal Atatürk. Regards. MustTC 18:35, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
{WPTR}
Well, your assumptions are wrong. I was simply checking all the articles which have been recently tagged with "{WPTR}", I'm a member of WikiProject Turkey myself. --Mardavich 00:05, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
A lost reply
"It is funny that you should mention the Ottomans, since Greeks have a much more legimate right to lay claim to the Ottoman legacy than any other nation in the world. It is them who ran the economy, navy and politics of the empire, so when the young Turks abolished the Ottomans and Greeks, their civilisation went down to zero. It is the Greeks who inherited directly many aspects of the Ottoman culture, and its most important geographical part. Turkey has a very good case too, so let's call it equal... Of course I'm partly kidding, I'm just using those claims as an example of how original research and imperfect education can lead into silly beliefs. Baristarim it's obvious that you weren't brought up in Turkey, you're missing the fundamental notions of the Turkish national self-image, let alone a basic understanding of modern historiography. Your imperfect knowledge on the topic prevents you from acknowledging the irony of your claims. However I'm glad that you realises in what degree Ottoman society and state were founded on and preserved by the modern Greek (late Byzantine) element."
This is what I replied to your recent ranting. It was removed from the template page because it was already "closed" a few hours earlier. I'm posting it here for you to read it. So that you know. Miskin 00:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
- I know that you were only trying to wind up Hectorian by pretending that you believed in such stuff. I'm not insulting nor attacking you, I'm just playing your game, reminding you that I'm aware of it. Miskin 23:30, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey man, I noticed the little conflict over at that page, and I have to agree with Mardavich this time. I'm not sure what the Azerbaijani language has to do with Turkey, besides the fact that Azeri and Turkish are both Turkic languages (but then again, so are Turkmen, Yakut, Kazakh, etc.). On the other hand, most Azeris live in Iran, not Azerbaijan. Anyways, you're the judge. Ciao, Khoikhoi 07:17, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, but at the same time, there are more than half a million Azeris in Russia. Anyways, you can continue with your work. :-) Khoikhoi 07:29, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
- Hi Baristarim, Ishalah haliniz yakhchidir. I appreciate your change of tone. The Iranian template is there because there are more Azeri-speakers in Iran than in any other country, Iran is Azeris' main home. If we add Turkey, then we'll have to add Russia, Georgia, there will be no end to it. The project templates have to be used more specific in order for it to be worthwhile and substantive. --Mardavich 08:31, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
att.
- Please take a look ;
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Regards MustTC 10:47, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
WPTR
Barış, benim sayfama bakarmısın, türkiye ile ilgili cat list yaratmaya çalışıyorum, hepsine bot ile template yerleştireceğim. Listeyi geliştirebilirmisin .User:Mustafa_Akalp/deneme selam MustTC 18:25, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Weird title
Selam, I just noticed the Laicist Turks who are murdered article today...can you think of a better title for that page? Thanks, Khoikhoi 00:04, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
- Hi, I was just passing by :) I suggest a move to a general title like "List of assasinated Turks". The descriptions of assasinations will make the reason of assasination clear on an individual basis. Atilim Gunes Baydin 14:27, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
WPTR Templates
Barış,
diğer project templatelerinede bir göz atabilirmisin.ör. {{WP India}},
Farklı uygulamalar konusunda fikir verebilir.
Turkiye ile ildili maddelere, Template ve kategori ekleme konusunda bir çalışma yapıyorum. Tek tek maddeleri taramak zor. Bir kullanıcı Bot sğlayabileceğini söyledi. Anladığım kadarı ile; bir liste halinde toplanan( Categori listesi, maddelistesi gibi) tüm sayfalara verilen bir template veya cat bir anda yerleştirilebiliyor.
<Cat> listesi hazırlamaya çalışıyorum; şöyle bir yol izledim; wikisearc de "Turkey",i kategoriler arasında tarattım, Excele kopyaladım, Excelde temizleyip başına ve sonuna wiki fotmatına uygun eklemeler yaptım, text olarak kaydedip Mustafa Akalp/deneme sayfasına yerleştirdim.
Sırası ile Turk,Turc,Turcic,Turkish, gibi bu işlemi tamamlamayı düşünüyorum.Uzun bir yol, Daha kısa/kolay bir yol olabilirmi.?
Turkiye ile ilgili kategori ağaçları varmı yoksa böyle ağaçların yaratılması, bunun bir manuel ile birlikte Proje sayfasında yerleştirilmesi uygun olur.
Selam
MustTC 11:42, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Ok
Tanıdığın adminlere de yardım için bir bak. Bu template için fikrin ne?
MustTC 12:29, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
- Mustafa, the correct spelling is "Turkic". --Mardavich 08:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Greco-Turkish cooperation
It's funny you should ask that, as there was indeed a proposal for a Greek and Turkish wikipedians board of cooperation, now withdrawn. However, the idea was very promising, and I still think it would be a good idea to revive it. I guess you could create one at Wikipedia:Greek and Turkish wikipedians board of cooperation or at User:Baristarim/Greek and Turkish wikipedians board of cooperation - it's your choice. You wouldn't create it directly, as the main namespace is for actual articles.
As for an Armenian-Turkish cooperation board...I think we'll have to wait and see how the first one goes. ;-) Cheers, Khoikhoi 05:00, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
- No problem! You might try contacting Michalis Famelis about this, as well as the other former members. Khoikhoi 06:30, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
- Michalis withdrew the proposal because he was longer interested in it and he didn't have any time to spare for it. See his full message here. As for the project itself, I think it looks great! I liked a lot of the points you made - although I think some of the images make it look to crowded. Maybe you could reduce the size or remove some of them? Another option is that you could move some to a gallery at the bottom. I also like the idea of having a template for the project. Cheers, Khoikhoi 06:59, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Ak Koyunlu and Kara Koyunlu
This is just a silly edit-war. Please look at Parishan's old comments on the talk pages of those two pages, he's from Azerbaijan Republic. The template is just there as a navigation bar linking the dynasties that ruled Iran by timeline, when you remove it, the time line from 1300's to 1400's goes missing. Ak Koyunlu's capital was Tabriz, Kara Koyunlu's center was in Iran. Yesssss, they were Turkic, just as were many other rulers of Iran, there is no contradiction there. I'm Turkic and I'm Iranian. Iranian Azeris cherish the fact that Iran was ruled by native Azeris for many centuries. In the spirit of cooperation, please stop reverting those pages and ask Mustafa to do the same, this is a pointless edit-war. --Mardavich 08:05, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
- Chokh tashakur for your help Baris. :) --Mardavich 08:18, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Turkish wikipedians notice board
Hey Baris, thats good idea to create a cooperation board between Turkey and Greece but I'm worry when Turkish wikipedians and after Turkic wikipedians notice board will be created? It's actually more needed because you know there are too many of iranian nationalist and their POV and vandalistic edits, cheers Zaparojdik (talk · contribs) 13:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
- Baris, The cooperation board is a good idea. Thanx. I'm also agree with Zaparojdik (talk · contribs) that we should take care of the turkish history related articles. E104421 18:47, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you for the invitation, Baris:). i am thinking about it and i will leave messages concerning this in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject History of Greece as well as to the board's talk. Ciao Hectorian 21:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry to add my 2 cents, but I think that's a great idea. I'll help if needed (though I'm American) --AW 04:48, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for the notice. I joined up. Great idea. Free smyrnan 10:31, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry to add my 2 cents, but I think that's a great idea. I'll help if needed (though I'm American) --AW 04:48, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you for the invitation, Baris:). i am thinking about it and i will leave messages concerning this in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject History of Greece as well as to the board's talk. Ciao Hectorian 21:37, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice Baris:). it was rather long using the other way. Ciao Hectorian 01:42, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks
Thanks for the greek+turk link--Slogankid 12:22, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
son durumlar
Baris, benim katkilar listesine bir goz atsana. Benim editleri revert edene bir bak, kime yardim ediyor. Ben konusma sayfasina o herife not dustum, sen de bir goz ativersene. Bu adamlar ortak calisiyor. Bir de Turk Ordusu sayfasini karistirmaya calisan biri var. E104421 23:12, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Guys, I want a translation of this sentence. Anyway, please do not form reverting parties blindly reverting to each other, it is a bad style. Better try to find a way for a mutual understanding with Iranians so you could work together instead of pushing each other. Alex Bakharev 04:45, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Aras Nehri
Done. Don't forget to fix the double redirects (as well as the double redirects of the talk pages). Khoikhoi 02:27, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- You still haven't fixed them... :-) Khoikhoi 04:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- Ah, a double redirect is something like this. You need to see them all by going to Special:Whatlinkshere/Aras River. Khoikhoi 04:53, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Hop
I'll come to help you later. Currently very busy. Appreciate your efforts to improve articles, keep it up.
TMT
have a look at the talk Aristovouλos (T) 18:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Dude no personal calls, just 2 question. Why is there a wolf on TMT's emblem?
And how the following translates?
please translate:
Türk Milleti’ni simgeleyen BOZKURT’u sembol alan TMT; Kıbrıs’ın Türk kalma ve Kıbrıs Türkü’nün var olma mücadelesinde Türk Milleti’ne karşı tarihsel sorumluluğunu başarıyla yerine getirir... Tıpkı “örgütlenmesini” daha önceleri Hacı Bektaş-ı Veli’nin dergahından çıkarak “Anadolu’da tecrübe” etmiş gibi... Sanki Hz. Türkistan Ahmet YESEVİ’nin ocağından geldiğini ispatlar gibi... TMT’nin kurutulmuş oğlak etiyle beslenen Bozkurtlar’ı, Kuvay-ı Milliye’nin dipdiri ayakta olduğunu gösterir gibiydiler... thanks Aristovouλos (T) 18:36, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- Look dude. The web-site's name doguturkistan.net translates into "eastturkistan.net" - East Turkistan is in China. Extremist web-sites cannot be cited to give the impression that it is a hundred percent confirmed fact. All I am saying is that it would be better if we could use some impartial books on the Cyprus issue as sources. Eastturkistan.net has nothing to do with this, they could be simply trying to "recuparate" political points by connecting itself with TMT. I am not saying they did or didn't use any particular symbol, but you cannot simply say "ultra-nationalist pan-turkist" where as the EOKA-B article, an organization that was recognized as terrorist not only by TR but also UK, has this for the intro "EOKA-B was a Greek Cypriot right-wing pro-enosis paramilitary organisation formed in 1971 that ..." See the difference in tone? That's all.. Baristarim 18:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Better, Baris, however for the lives lost, i think it is a minor contribution to include Turkish Cypriots killed by TMT... We have a turkish Cypriot newspaper stating that... lives lost is a different issue thought isnt it? Aristovouλos (T) 19:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- Look at the final version, at the end of the intro I said why the wolf was used :)) I tried to clean up a little bit, however the article seriously needs a clean-up sources and timeline wise. Lives lost is not a different issue, I have no problem with them being mentioned in any way. The problem is that the article is in dire encyclopedic situation. Don't get me wrong, I am willing to help out with any revision or rewrite of the article, I am just trying to make it look more formal and serious. As for the lives lost.. There is no problem with them being mentioned, all I am saying is that we should have some good sources on this, otherwise, others, today or in the future, will have an excuse to edit-war citing the unreliability of the sources. The article would also need a good restructuring to have seperate "background, organization, acts, timeline and aftermath" sections. That way all of these could be easily aboarded. However I am not a Cypriot, so my knowledge can be lacking with this subject. I will try to contact some other users to see if they can lend a hand. Baristarim 19:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- ok, sounds good Aristovouλos (T) 19:17, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Name
What about changing your name into savastarim? After your comments on atatürk talk page I cannot believe in your good will or any invitations to cooperation boards! Strange manners, indeed! [[Apocolocynthosis 08:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)]]
- I am sorry if you feel that way and I am sorry if I offended you in some way.. However you also have to understand that with the state of looping and irrelevant discussions taking place on that talk page and some other talk pages, it is not so easy to take it easy sometimes, and things can get out of hand easily :) I didn't know you before your statements to that talk page, what can I say? On the other hand, I cannot change my name to Savas, my name is really Baris in real life :)) If you have any concerns or questions about a particular question or anything else, please contact me and I will be try to have a look at it. Cheers! Baristarim 19:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
article assessment
Hi Baris, this was in my to-do list. I hope this will encourage users to write better articles about Turkey. I guess, the second thing that we must do is improve article in some kind of collaboration. Cheers --Ugur Basak 09:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
İstanbul'da görev yapan bir tarih öğretmeniyim. Projeye katılmak isterim fakat büyük katkı yapacak seviyede ingilizce bilgim yok--Tarih 20:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Your very ugly message
Hi Baris, I have received your very ugly message about Gülen. It only shows how far you are from being a good human being. Littleraindrop 23:08, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- Why are you getting so offended, are you Fethullah Gulen by any chance? Only in cults do people get offended by criticisms and insults aimed at their "teachers".. If I was attacking you in any way, please point it out.. Baristarim 23:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
- How do you call that as criticism? Language of your new message in my talk page is also abusive. Can't you talk in a kind manner? Littleraindrop 22:29, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
GA
Hi Barış, you've been nominating articles for GA, but most of them will be rejected due to Wikipedia:What is a good article?. The most important thing for an article to get GA status is being well referenced and NPOV. Cheers --Ugur Basak 00:17, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- Barış GA nomination page is on my watchlist. I've been watching it since i've written TK1476 GA article. If you want to get 3rd person views, you can check Wikipedia:Peer review. But peer review thing isn't working very very good. My best advice is first handle "well referenced" part, because everyday GA is becoming somekind of FA:) Even they can speedly de-list some of them due to reference problems. Also they are de-listing GA articles for same reason.--Ugur Basak 00:26, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for making me smile
I had to smile because of your edit summary, which hasn't happened before on that page as far as I remember. Never saw {{Round In Circles}} before; not sure it will help, but who knows? -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 11:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Caliphate and Diyanet
Hi Baristarim, I hope you're doing fine! I just reverted some very serious misinformation recently added by User:220.240.8.182, removing the mention of the fact that the Caliphate was constitutionally abolished in 1924 from the introduction and claiming that Diyanet İşleri Başkanlığı is "the current successor entity to the Office of the Caliph" (in the Caliph article), and is "the successor of Caliphate and the highest ruling authority of the Islamic World" (in the Diyanet İşleri Başkanlığı article). It seems he attached this link [1] as a reference to his claims, but, obvioulsy, no one bothers to check this link, and there is no such claim to be found on the site pointed by the link. Could you also please keep an eye on these two articles for a while? Regards, Atilim Gunes Baydin 13:16, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
- This "Wiki"-"pedia" project is simply a very, very bad idea. Atilim Gunes Baydin 13:17, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm, this case is different, because there already exists an article called Meander River (it is not a redirect like last time). Do you think that the Turkish or Australian river is more well-known? If the most common name for "Meander River" is the Büyük Menderes, we should probably not have a disambig. page. Khoikhoi 05:25, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
- Ok, sure. As for Atatürk, I've asked another admin to do it (I can't do it myself or it would be considered an "abuse of admin powers" - see Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Freestylefrappe). Khoikhoi 05:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Re: Turkey
It wasn't me but an anon's posting, I was only an admin responding to an edit protected request. I have added an unsigned2 template to avoid future confusions. --WinHunter (talk) 14:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi, just saw we made similar comments to that user. I think you shouldn't be sarcastic about it though, we don't want to discourage anybody. Even with the smiley face and such, I think it could be taken the wrong way --AW 16:18, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
- That's true, I laughed when I saw his comment on the talk page! --AW 16:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)