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I'm a writer. TV and stuff. I have a webpage. It's poor form to list it here. (Google search for Temptation Island star Mandy Lauderdale, and you'll likely end up on my site.)
More to come.
Pages I Established
Tina Dico
Sophie Barker
The Fab Faux
Dianne Holum
Rapperswil-Jona Lakers
Pearl Harbor Survivors Association
The Crazy 8's
Rules of Civility and Decent Behaviour In Company and Conversation
An eclectic bunch!
Places I've Worked
Places I've Lived
Images I Contributed To Wikipedia That Have Been Temporarily Removed In A Somewhat Ridiculous Fair Use Dispute
These images were all uploaded and massaged until they met the exacting Wikipedia fair use standards. Then, some people thought the standards had changed, and began mass tagging and deletion of these types of images in order to replace them with "free" images. This caused much anxiety, especially among some editors who seemed to take a certain delight in tracking down some other people's contributions to Wikipedia, and destroying them, either by marking the contributions for deletion under questionable grounds, or by other forms of harassing edits. These people are bad, bad people, and worse, bad Wikipedians. They know who they are. And they'll see... because if you think karma is a bitch, you should meet her cousin, Wikikarma.
Image Thoughts
I may add more here in the future, but the following was something I wrote for an image talk page. It deserves a better fate. This was in response to the traditional charge that someone, somewhere, at some point in the future could get a professional hockey player to put on his uniform, and pose for a freely-licensed studio portrait. (Strangely, that's a traditional charge in the world of fair use disputes. Who knew?) Anyhow, I wrote in reply...
Acutally, and here's a funny story, 28 different states here in the U.S. have 28 different laws about personality rights. Which is why, here in the U.S., there's this pretty well developed system of press and promotional photos, dependent on a system of fair use.
Gather round, kids, and let me tell you a story about promotional photos. See, people, such as, in this case, Mr. Eloranta, don't want to be harassed by photographers everywhere they go. Tends to get all Lohan-like - photographers tripping over each other, etc. So they sit down and agree to be photographed, with favorable lighting, by a professional photographer, and then release that photo to the media and public for non-commercial use. True! Wacky, but true! As long as the photos are fairly used under a reasonable "fair use" policy, these are the photos that all of the rights holders -- the person depicted, the photographer, and the organization issuing the photograph -- want to be distributed and used. But, apparently, these photos are now not "copy-left enough" to be included in Wikipedia. Weird, huh? I mean, these are the photos they want us to use... and Wikipedians, by the, uh, tens, are saying, "No more! No more of these well shot, nicely lit, professional looking and royalty free photos on OUR on-line encyclopedia! Sure, they may be fair for us to use, and enhance the experience for Wikipedia users, but what about the vaunted Wikipedia REUSER?? What if they actually have to make their own decision about whether or not to use these photos? We can't have that! Wikipedia photos must be free! Free! Free!" And so, these all-but-free photos -- photos that are, from a legal standpoint, barely distinguishable from the most liberal of GFDL interpretations -- are now the subject of a massive seek-and-delete campaign.
It's the kinda thing that makes you cry, just a little bit. But hey... I'm glad you're taking on the true problems facing Wikipedia. Lock-step adherence to poorly worded and contradictory policies led you here. I'll be interested to see what the status of promophotos is on Wikipedia a year from now. Jenolen 08:32, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Image Thoughts - Round 2
An editor wrote:
Our fair use policy policy forbids using a non-free image if a free image could be created that could be used in its place. See criterion #1 and counter-example #8. In this case, it would be possible to create a free image; therefore this non-free image may not be used. Whether a free replacement image exists or not at this time is not relevant. – Quadell (talk) (random) 18:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
And I replied:
Acutally, what's funny about that is, technically, ANYTHING is possible. I mean, Zero 7 COULD show up at my house tomorrow, with a camera, and it's POSSIBLE I could take a photo of them that would show them in as good a light as this promotional photo. Possible... but unlikely. Possible, too, I could get the two of them to agree to come together an pose for another photo -- assuming (and this is by way of example, only) that they're not on a Tears for Fears-like ten year stretch of not speaking to each other over creative differences. I mean, what if that were the case? What if the two band members didn't like each other? Am I supposed to tell them to get over it, and pose for a "free" photo, because of the demands of GFDL? This is the level of ridiculousness we're at these days.
It's obvious to me what the tagging factions want -- they want all promophotos deleted from Wikipedia, usually under some justification such as "to protect future re-users of Wikipedia who may not want to make a decision about their inclusion of fair use material." That's all it is... But if they proposed deleting all {{promophoto}}s from Wikipedia, there would be an outcry, and they'd "lose." I really think that it's become about that -- "winning" and "losing" -- from editors who aren't using, as their primary guiding concern, what's best for the entry in question. Very, very sad. I remain convinced that promophotos have a place in Wikipedia. Under the convoluted and poorly-worded current fair use criteria, you may be able to make a case for this image's deletion. But common sense says keep it. I vote for common sense. Jenolen 19:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Disagree with that? See you on my talk page!
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