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Requests for adminship (RfA) is the process by which the Wikipedia community decides who will become administrators (also known as admins), who are users with access to additional technical features that aid in maintenance. Users can either submit their own requests for adminship (self-nomination) or may be nominated by other users. Please be familiar with the administrators' reading list, how-to guide, and guide to requests for adminship before submitting your request. Also, consider asking the community about your chances of passing an RfA.
This page also hosts requests for bureaucratship (RfB), where new bureaucrats are selected.
If you are new to participating in a request for adminship, or are not sure how to gauge the candidate, then kindly go through this mini guide for RfA voters before you participate.
One trial run of an experimental process of administrator elections, an alternative type of RfA, took place in October 2024. Administrator elections were authorized permanently on a 5-month schedule in an RfC held in early 2025. The latest administrator election took place in July 2025, with the next election in December 2025.
About administrators
The additional features granted to administrators are considered to require a high level of trust from the community. While administrative actions are publicly logged and can be reverted by other administrators just as other edits can be, the actions of administrators involve features that can affect the entire site. Among other functions, administrators are responsible for blocking users from editing, controlling page protection, and deleting pages. However, they are not the final arbiters in content disputes and do not have special powers to decide on content matters, except to enforce community consensus and Arbitration Committee decisions by protecting or deleting pages and applying sanctions to users.
About RfA
Candidate | Type | Result | Date of close | Tally | |||
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S | O | N/A | % | ||||
KylieTastic | AE | Successful | 31 Jul 2025 | 374 | 66 | 101 | 85 |
Kj cheetham | AE | Successful | 31 Jul 2025 | 350 | 64 | 127 | 85 |
Ser! | AE | Successful | 31 Jul 2025 | 314 | 91 | 136 | 78 |
Curbon7 | AE | Successful | 31 Jul 2025 | 293 | 87 | 161 | 77 |
Jlwoodwa | AE | Successful | 31 Jul 2025 | 314 | 95 | 132 | 77 |
Smasongarrison | AE | Successful | 31 Jul 2025 | 312 | 98 | 131 | 76 |
UndercoverClassicist | AE | Successful | 31 Jul 2025 | 307 | 97 | 137 | 76 |
CoconutOctopus | AE | Successful | 31 Jul 2025 | 315 | 110 | 116 | 74 |
Hinnk | AE | Successful | 31 Jul 2025 | 260 | 100 | 181 | 72 |
Hilst | AE | Unsuccessful | 31 Jul 2025 | 233 | 117 | 191 | 67 |
Pbritti | AE | Unsuccessful | 31 Jul 2025 | 250 | 126 | 165 | 66 |
Patient Zero | AE | Unsuccessful | 31 Jul 2025 | 250 | 130 | 161 | 66 |
Usernamekiran | AE | Unsuccessful | 31 Jul 2025 | 232 | 127 | 182 | 65 |
Darth Stabro | AE | Unsuccessful | 31 Jul 2025 | 167 | 205 | 169 | 45 |
North8000 | AE | Unsuccessful | 31 Jul 2025 | 108 | 323 | 110 | 25 |
Vestrian24Bio | AE | Unsuccessful | 31 Jul 2025 | 56 | 341 | 144 | 14 |
The community grants administrator access to trusted users, so nominees should have been on Wikipedia long enough for people to determine whether they are trustworthy. Administrators are held to high standards of conduct because other editors often turn to them for help and advice, and because they have access to tools that can have a negative impact on users or content if carelessly applied.
Nomination standards
The only formal prerequisite for adminship is having an extended confirmed account on Wikipedia (500 edits and 30 days of experience).[1] However, the community usually looks for candidates with much more experience, and those without are generally unlikely to succeed at gaining adminship. The community looks for a variety of factors in candidates and discussion can be intense. To get an insight of what the community is looking for, you could review some successful and some unsuccessful RfAs, or start an RfA candidate poll.
If you are unsure about nominating yourself or another user for adminship, you may first wish to consult a few editors you respect to get an idea of what the community might think of your request. There is also a list of editors willing to consider nominating you. Editors interested in becoming administrators might explore adoption by a more experienced user to gain experience. They may also add themselves to Category:Wikipedia administrator hopefuls; a list of names and some additional information are automatically maintained at Wikipedia:List of administrator hopefuls. The RfA guide and the miniguide might be helpful, while Advice for RfA candidates will let you evaluate whether or not you are ready to be an admin.
Nominations
To nominate either yourself or another user for adminship, follow these instructions. If you wish to nominate someone else, check with them before making the nomination page. Nominations may only be added by the candidate, or added after the candidate has signed the acceptance of the nomination.
Please do not transclude the RfA page until after the nomination has been accepted by the candidate, and the page, and its questions, has been filled out to the candidate's satisfaction. Be aware that the process will start the moment the RfA is transcluded to this page.
Notice of RfA
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Expressing opinions
All Wikipedians—including those without an account or not logged in ("anons")—are welcome to comment and ask questions in an RfA. Numerated (#) "votes" in the Support, Oppose, and Neutral sections may only be placed by editors with the extended confirmed right.[2] Other comments are welcomed in the general comments section at the bottom of the page, and comments by editors who are not administrators or extended confirmed may be moved to this section if mistakenly placed elsewhere.
If you are relatively new to contributing to Wikipedia, or if you have not yet participated on many RfAs, please consider first reading "Advice for RfA voters".
There is a limit of two questions per editor, with relevant follow-ups permitted. The two-question limit cannot be circumvented by asking questions that require multiple answers (e.g. asking the candidate what they would do in each of five scenarios). The candidate may respond to the comments of others. Certain comments may be discounted if there are suspicions of fraud; these may be the contributions of very new editors, sockpuppets, or meatpuppets. Please explain your opinion by including a short explanation of your reasoning. Your input (positive or negative) will carry more weight if supported by evidence.
To add a comment, click the "Voice your opinion" link for the candidate. Always be respectful towards others in your comments. Constructive criticism will help the candidate make proper adjustments and possibly fare better in a future RfA attempt. Note that bureaucrats have been authorized by the community to clerk at RfA, so they may appropriately deal with comments and !votes which they deem to be inappropriate. You may wish to review arguments to avoid in adminship discussions. Irrelevant questions may be removed or ignored, so please stay on topic.
The RfA process attracts many Wikipedians and some may routinely oppose many or most requests; other editors routinely support many or most requests. Although the community currently endorses the right of every Wikipedian with an account to participate, one-sided approaches to RfA voting have been labeled as "trolling" by some. Before commenting or responding to comments (especially to Oppose comments with uncommon rationales or which feel like baiting) consider whether others are likely to treat it as influential, and whether RfA is an appropriate forum for your point. Try hard not to fan the fire. Remember, the bureaucrats who close discussions have considerable experience and give more weight to constructive comments than unproductive ones.
Discussion, decision, and closing procedures
Most nominations will remain active for a minimum of seven days from the time the nomination is posted on this page, during which users give their opinions, ask questions, and make comments. This discussion process is not a vote (it is sometimes referred to as a !vote, using the computer science negation symbol). At the end of the discussion period, a bureaucrat will review the discussion to see whether there is a consensus for promotion. Consensus at RfA is not determined by surpassing a numerical threshold, but by the strength of rationales presented. In practice, most RfAs above 75% support pass.
In December 2015 the community determined that in general, RfAs that finish between 65 and 75% support are subject to the discretion of bureaucrats (so, therefore, almost all RfAs below 65% will fail). However, a request for adminship is first and foremost a consensus-building process.[3] In calculating an RfA's percentage, only numbered Support and Oppose comments are considered. Neutral comments are ignored for calculating an RfA's percentage, but they (and other relevant information) are considered for determining consensus by the closing bureaucrat.
In nominations where consensus is unclear, detailed explanations behind Support or Oppose comments will have more impact than positions with no explanations or simple comments such as "yep" and "no way".[4] A nomination may be closed as successful only by bureaucrats. In exceptional circumstances, bureaucrats may extend RfAs beyond seven days or restart the nomination to make consensus clearer. They may also close nominations early if success is unlikely and leaving the application open has no likely benefit, and the candidate may withdraw their application at any time for any reason.
If uncontroversial, any user in good standing can close a request that has no chance of passing in accordance with WP:SNOW or WP:NOTNOW. Do not close any requests that you have taken part in, or those that have even a slim chance of passing, unless you are the candidate and you are withdrawing your application. In the case of vandalism, improper formatting, or a declined or withdrawn nomination, non-bureaucrats may also delist a nomination. A list of procedures to close an RfA may be found at WP:Bureaucrats. If your nomination fails, then please wait for a reasonable period of time before renominating yourself or accepting another nomination. Some candidates have tried again and succeeded within three months, but many editors prefer to wait considerably longer before reapplying.
Monitors
In the 2024 RfA review, the community authorized designated administrators and bureaucrats to act as monitors to moderate discussion at RfA. The monitors can either self-select when an RfA starts, or can be chosen ahead of time by the candidate privately. Monitors may not be involved with the candidate, may not nominate the candidate, may not !vote in the RfA, and may not close the RfA, although if the monitor is a bureaucrat they may participate in the RfA's bureaucrat discussion if there is one. In addition to normal moderation tools, monitors may remove !votes from the tally or from the discussion entirely at their discretion when the !vote contains significant policy violations that must be struck or otherwise redacted and provides no rational basis for its position – or when the comment itself is a blockable offense. The text of the !vote can still be struck and/or redacted as normal. Monitors are encouraged to review the RfA regularly. Admins and bureaucrats who are not monitors may still enforce user conduct policies and guidelines at RfA as normal.[5]
Current nominations for adminship
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- The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a request for adminship that did not succeed. Please do not modify it.
Final (2/16/2); ended 17:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
TheListUpdater (talk · contribs) – I've been visiting Wikipedia since late 2004. After the Vandal Attack, I decided it was time to register before things got worse. I noticed a lot of things were not updated, lists in particular. I wanted to work on List of United States companies, but I soon lost interest and moved on to games, redirects, and more. Eventually, I learning how to link things (for I did not read New Member stuff). Granted, I've made mistakes: the Mouse Surplus incident and the moving Wii come in mind, but that's behind us. I helped destroy the Mario Paint Wii article, drastically expand the Six Flags Splashtown article, moved the vandalized Yoot Tower and expanded it, and more. I broke apart MacHack and let one part of it, Mac Hack (chess) mature into a seperate article that was nominated for "Did You Know?". I am expanding my reach by reaching beyond things relating to video games, Macintosh, and McDonald's to retail, such as All Wound Up (store, Orange Micro, and to people as well like John Bardeen. I've made about 500 edits, but I am already diversifying and expanding. I no longer am a simple list updater, I do more. I am restoring several articles, such as Stage Debut to mature articles. If you do not find me worthy of adminship, I won't take it too hard, I will try again later once I have fully matured as a Wikipedia user. TheListUpdater 03:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:
I have withdrawn this RfA due to the overwhelming number of opinions regarding the applicants' experience, which totals 457 edits as of this timestamp. An expanded response will be provided on TheListUpdater's Talk page. (aeropagitica) 17:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia in this capacity. Please take the time to answer a few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
- 1. What sysop chores do you anticipate helping with? Please check out Category:Wikipedia backlog and Category:Administrative backlog, and read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.
- A: I wish to delete articles that are unreferenced piles of junk (stuff as crystalballery and rumors from places like Spong) and bring back articles that were originally poorly referenced but need a little help to become notable once again.
- 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any with which you are particularly pleased, and why?
- A: I really like Yoot Tower, because I mentioned 3 new locations, only through a Japanese site through the Internet Archive. I also like Six Flags Splashtown, I added all the rides. And of course, McDonald's menu items. It was a total mess!
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A: I was really mad when someone deleted my Mouse Surplus article and wrote an angry message on the talk page of that person. I later apologized, and put the article source into User:TheListUpdater/Mouse Surplus. I eventually lost interest, but it was very early in my Wikipedia career. More important things had to be done.
- General comments
- See TheListUpdater's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.
Discussion
Support
- Moral Support I suggest you withdraw this now and try to follow their suggestions and then renominate your self. Cbrown1023 03:52, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Or better, be nominated by someone who values you. --Dweller 09:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Moral Support You haven't done anything seriously wrong that the opposers have found, but this RFA is premature. I suggest you withdraw and try a little participation in WP:AFD and New Page Patrol. You need more time, more experience.--Kchase T 11:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
- 500 edits might be passable, except that you have next to no projectspace edits. Adminship is not about writing articles, so article contributions are irrelevant. -Amarkov blahedits 03:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose- sorry, you don't have anywhere near enough edits for me, and you aren't active in Wikipedia: space. JorcogaYell! 03:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose your answer to Q1 shows you have no idea of the deletion processes, and the role that admins play in those processes --Steve (Slf67) talk 03:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strongest oppose possible, and further; the candidate did not accept his self nom before posting it on the RfA page. This indicates lack of respect for process. // Yuser31415 03:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Yuser, there's no need to be so harsh. Please be nice.--Húsönd 04:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose as above. Carpet9 04:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per Amarkov, Slf67. Not nearly enough edits (I prefer around 5000). Understanding of deletion process is woefully inadequate: admins can only speedy delete articles under WP:CSD category, and undeletion without comment is wheel-warring. Try adding to your contributions, and coming back. :) -Patstuarttalk|edits
- Oppose and suggest withdrawal per Q1.--Wizardman 05:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose The nomination and answer to question one don't really give a detailed understanding of the scope and nature of the role of an admin on Wikipedia. I suggest withdrawal and working in the project space in addition to your regular tasks in order to demonstrate knowledge of policies and guidelines. (aeropagitica) 05:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose: Sorry, not enough experience per evident contribs, summary use (42%) and weak answers to standard questions. Try again in six months. --Slgrandson (page - messages - contribs) 07:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per Slgrandson, weak answers, and insufficient contributions. Work harder, use your edit summary, try hanging around here at WP:RFA to see what other editors consider important in an admin. The Rambling Man 07:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose though you're on the right track you might need to put more experiance under your belt. Follow the suggestions above for a while and see where they take you. --Matthew 07:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose impossible to support you now. Please withdraw and if you're nominated in a few months time, drop me a line on my talk page (although that's no guarantee of support). --Dweller 09:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Automatic Oppose per lack of edits and weak answers. Insanephantom (my Editor Review) 09:16, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose, the fact that you thought this RfA had a chance means you don't know enough about administrative matters yet. yandman 10:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose, not experienced enough and weak answers to questions, suggest withdrawal. Terence Ong 11:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per the above. Much more experience is needed. ← ANAS Talk? 12:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
- Neutral no need to pile on. I would suggest taking some time to participate in deletion discussions and maybe get involved in the talk page for a proposed guideline. Once you get a bit more experience in the project space you could always try again.--Isotope23 14:30, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral to avoid pile on. Please withdraw, spend several month participating in the Wikipedia: space, such as xfD discussion, and consider applying for RFA later.-- danntm T C 16:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The above adminship discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the talk page of either this nomination or the nominated user). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a request for adminship that did not succeed. Please do not modify it.
No, no, NO. Everyone with a legitimate complaint should be treated with respect, and the harassment of oppose voters just bothers me too much for this to go on. I told myself that I'd sleep on it and see if it got better, and I only woke up to find a long post! *sigh* I appreciate all the comments here, the nomination, the support, and especially the oppose votes as they highlight where I need improvement, but I cannot let this go on. People should not feel harassed over their opinions. It's not the wiki way. So, in short, I am withdrawing my acceptance of this nomination. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 17:11, 16 January 2007 (UTC) Can someone replace the {{archive top}} and {{archive bottom}} with the right templates? I don't know what they are, never having closed any RFAs before :) Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 17:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Final (21/24/5); ended 17:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Wizardry Dragon (talk · contribs) – I saw this user around AFD and other official channels. I think Peter would be a strong admin. He has a good sense of the rules, an active RC patrollor, and a good mediator. His solutions to common Wikipedia problems are very innovative and effective. The most notable example would be the problem with bias and POV in articles - he is the head of Wikipedia:Neutrality_Project. Wikipedia could definitely benefit from admins like him, and I centanly don't think he is going to abuse the tools - he has good judgment on weather or not any rules have been broken and how severe the violation is. -- Selmo (talk) 03:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Co-nom - In all my dealings with Wizardry Dragon, he has been nothing but professional responses. He is also a great WP:RFCU clerk. Wizardry Dragon also understands some of the issues that are facing wikipedia, such as spam, vandalism, policy ect. He has made valuable contributions to most every process on Wikipedia. I have seen him to put more thought and effort into what he says and does then just !support, !oppose, ect. Some articles that he has worked on include Ultima, BattleTech technology, Exult, and Delta Goodrem. This guy has all the makings of an admin. He seems to be well balanced, has worked in many areas of Wikipedia, and seems to have a handle on the job.
Also he is a very avid coder, working on such projects as DragonBot, which is an open source bot framework for .NET C++. The source for this (incomplete) framework can be found at sourceforge. In addition he has his own toolserver account, which can be found here. Wiz has some interesting tools in development. Currently he has one close to a working level, this is a lookup tool for IP's (which can be found here). He has managed to make a nice framework so that it can be used in javascript tools. Right now there is one tool by Georgemoney, it can be found at User:GeorgeMoney/UserScripts/LoadIpInfo. Before you can use the script you must have this pasted before it in your monobook.js. The script allows inline whois checking of an IP.
What I see here is a toolmaker, one who has taken the time to get to know all of Wikipedia. I can see Wiz, using the admin tools from everything to blocking spammers, to developing new tools for admins to use. Personally the one question we must all ask, is this user trustworthy? In my view there is 0% chance of admin abuse. —— Eagle 101 (Need help?) 07:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Co-nom- I'll start with the most important thing in my view, the matter of trust. I'm confident that Wizardry Dragon would, if promoted, not abuse the tools, and I intend to demonstrate with some diffs, a level of policy knowledge which precludes any misuse of the tools through inexperience. I'll also demonstrate why Wikipedia would be a better place in Wizardry Dragon was trusted with the tools and the uses this user would have for the tools. Before I begin, it's worth noticing that Wizardry Dragon is also at present a moderator for the VandalProof software and is a Checkuser clerk, already showing how he can handle responsibility.
Mainspace [1] [2] Wikipedia [3] [4]
The diffs are typical of the excellent work Wizardry Dragon is performing across Wikipedia, and I know that Wikipedia will be that little bit better for everyone if we can give Wizardry Dragon the tools, tools he can go and use to make Wikipedia that little bit faster, more pleasent and more encyclopedic for both the contributors and ultimately, for the end user. Adminship is no big deal, but giving the tools wisely to editors can reap big benefits. That's what we've got here, the chance to reap big benefits for Wikipedia. --Kind Regards - Heligoland (Talk) (Contribs) 01:17, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- What's Montague? It is nor hand, nor foot,
- Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
- Belonging to a man. O, be some other name!
- What's in a name? that which we call a rose
- By any other name would smell as sweet
- So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call'd,
William Shakespeare Romeo & Juliette Act 2, Scene 2
What is an admin? Wizardry Dragon has been handling "admin" actions as a CU clerk and as part of the WP:WNP. let the admin get +sysop and become an admin as I have asked for his help many times in dispute resolution, and other issues. This user clearly shows that there is zero chance that he will abuse them so I give my full support of him. Betacommand (talk • contribs • Bot) 01:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I have always said I would let the community decide if it wants me to be a sysop, and so, with this nomination, I think it's time to let such a decision happen. So the question you should ask yourself is Do I trust Wizardry Dragon with page protects, deletions, and blocks?. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 02:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia in this capacity. Please take the time to answer a few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
- 1. What sysop chores do you anticipate helping with? Please check out Category:Wikipedia backlog and Category:Administrative backlog, and read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.
- A: There are several places and capacities in Wikipedia where sysops are needed currently, however, there are a few which my experience would already lend itself to. First of all, as a RFCU clerk, I often deal with tagging sockpuppet accounts. Were I a sysop, I could also block these users, which would take some of the load off Luna Santin, who is the only active sysop there. (There are other clerk sysops, such as Thatcher, but they work primarily on the Arbitration Committee pages as ArbCom Clerks). Secondly, there has been an increasing amount of subversive vandalism, such as the (in)famous template vandals. I would happily lend a hand there, as I know that this has been a problem, and the cascading protection Werdna recently added to the software is not fool-proof - there will always be someone that finds a way around of it, and there'll always be vandals. Such is the nature of open editing.. In either event, these are just examples.
- 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any with which you are particularly pleased, and why?
- A: I have a wide range of contributions - from articles, to wikiprojects, to policy discussions, to RFCU clerking - but I think the single set of contributions I am most pleased with is the Wikipedia Neutrality Project. It surprised me, upon signing up to Wikipedia, that such a project on Wikipedia did not exist, so, being bold, I created it. It took a while to get of the ground, and has changed from my original vision a bit, however, I'm very pleased with how positive the contributions that project has made to Wikipeida, as a whole.
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A: In an environment with many diverse editors and views, conflict is an inevitability. I feel that everyone that has a complaint that states it with respect, should be treated with respect. While I have been in some fairly heated exchanges, I have tried to treat everyone that has a complaint with my conduct or edits with the upmost respect. Everyone here is a respected contributor, and so I extend that respect fully and without hesitation. Sometimes when exchanges are particularly heated, I say things in ways that are not the best, but I try to always apologise and make things right. We are all here to help improve the encyclopedia. While we may sometimes disagree, it's a necessary part of establishing consensus. We must just remember, we are all here for the same goal, and we must try to remember and enjoy the beauty of us all working together for a common goal.
- General comments
- See Wizardry Dragon's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.
- I would ask all involved in this discussion to be respectful to everyone voting here, support, oppose or neutral. Especially the oppose and neutral votes. Everyone with a complaint that presents it respectfully should be treated with upmost respect. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 04:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion
- An awful lot of Peter's main space edits are AWB-assisted cleanup of one sort of another, and a lot of his project space edits are as a checkuser clerk. Both very important tasks. But (and this will be an unfair "but" in some respects) I get the feeling that Peter would like to be an admin in order to be an admin, rather than being an encyclopedia person who reluctantly shoulders an additional burden. This is an unfair "but" because I can't point to specific diffs, it's just a hunch. I am certain he would not be a deliberately bad admin, but I wonder if he may be too eager--although I can't describe clearly why this would be bad, except for a gut feeling. Sorry. Thatcher131 05:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually I was very strongly leaning towards opposing this nomination at first, for a few reasons. First of all, I don't really *need* the tools for what it is I do - though they definetley would be of assistance. Secondly, I am every leery of some of the ongoing large disputes that have burnt out many administrators and don't want to be a party to those. However, on further reflection, I thought back to all the times someone said to me "you're not an admin?" or "you should be an admin" - my response was always "if the community wants me to be an admin, they will make me one. So, I thought it would be best to let them reply. It is not the end of the world if the RFA doesn't pass, and I'll keep on chugging one way or another. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 06:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I was going to post this in response to Erikster, until I realised he is one of the few (but vocal) proponents of using blog.myspace as a reference. I am one of about 6 people on Wikipedia that actually sees almost every external link added to the project, and the person who compiles the statistics (all available at the bottom of my userpage), I can assure Erikster and Amarkov below that blog.myspace has no place on Wikipedia and Jimbo's decision is quite correct. It's a resource that cannot be cross referenced, it's often hard to know if it's official or impersonation (Brian May from Queen (band) has three impersonators on MySpace [5] and there's more than one Richard Wright (Pink Floyd) on MySpace at the moment too here and here and, whilst in no way a generalisation, the arguments of those supporting blog.myspace are exceptionally weak, we all know if a hardly notable indie band said they sold 30 billion zillion records, they would be laughed at, derided or plain ignored, but if they say so on their blog, it's regarded as being true by those who use blog.myspace as a quick and easy way to reference the un-referenceable. If it's on blog.myspace it can be included in their article on Wikipedia. At the moment, reliable news sources (Reuters, AP, BBC, CNN, London Times etc) make up just 23% of external links being added to Wikipedia, not good for the project, I'm sure you'll agree. I know and most of my fellow Wikipedians know how absurd this sort of situation is and it's excellent to see someone like Peter taking a brave step and actually doing something that's made out to be controversial (though isn't really, a vocal minority don't create controversy, just a lot of noise) rather than plodding merrily along making pointless, wasteful, and downright nuisance WP:ILIKEIT !votes to XfDs, going through Admin Coaching and being hell-bent on becoming an administrator. What your opposing on here today, fellow Wikipedians, is nothing more than the flimsiest of excuses (Peter having already having been exonerated by Jimbo) and it's all the more shocking that it's as a result of a fantastic and brave drive to improve the quality of this project. It takes more than writers to create Encyclopedia Britannica, and the same is true of Wikipedia. --Kind Regards - Heligoland (Talk) (Contribs) 11:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support
- Support - per nom. GeorgeMoney (talk) 02:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Nom Support --Kind Regards - Heligoland (Talk) (Contribs) 02:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Nom Support —— Eagle 101 (Need help?) 02:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Nom support Betacommand (talk • contribs • Bot) 02:04, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Will make a fine admin.--Húsönd 02:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - dedicated, helpful user; will make good use of the tools. He knows how they work and will use them wisely and efficently. — Editor at Large(speak) 02:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support --Elaragirl 02:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC) (interrupted my AWB run for this vote!)[reply]
- Support as nom -- Selmo (talk) 02:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Per nom. --Sir James Paul, La gloria è a dio 02:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per nominations and votes already cast. — The still-Esperanzan $PЯINGrαgђ Always loyal! 02:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - good editor. Yuser31415 03:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- support; already doing admin-like tasks. article-writer != admin for me. ~Crazytales (talk) 03:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I don't care about article contributions, and everything else looks fine. -Amarkov blahedits 03:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]- (changed to oppose)
- Support- JorcogaYell! 03:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support he will be a good admin :) FrancoGG ( talk ) 03:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Definitely deserves tools, as her understands policy. Per nomination, and the many co-noms following. Alex43223 Talk | Contribs | E-mail | C 03:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Gzkn 03:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Worthy of the tools, and would make very good use of them IMO. --Sagaciousuk (talk) 04:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Wizardry Dragon has been a great asset to the project, and deserves the tools. To rebute what is said in oppose. His contributions on the toolserver, and in other ways have been fairly useful. You should not have to contribute thousands of articles to the mainspace to qualify for sysop access, when we clearly need sysops. Expecially those with a desire to handle more backend work, and have the experience to put the tools to use. I hope those below can rethink what they believe hurts this editor's RfA and put another light onto things. Somitho 04:35, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Carpet9 04:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I've seen the Dragon make level-headed and constructive responses in dispute resolution, and believe him to be trustworthy. >Radiant< 14:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong support I don't understand why Peter wants this, but if he wants it, I trust him more than any other to wield a mop with a strong sense of justice. I also think it's unfair to look at his mainspace edits as an indication of his willingness to serve this Encyclopedia and his passion for it. I do feel that mainspace edits give one a greater sense of the conflicts that can arise, and prevents a person from burnout, but I sincerely doubt that Peter will ever burn out. Peter would use admin tools better and more efficiently than anyone I can think of. Consider the whole person when you "vote". NinaOdell | Talk 16:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
- Oppose I strongly believe that an admin should have a solid experience with working in the mainspace especially in some article writing. WD has 685 mainspace edits almost all of them been AWB, reverts or tagging. Sorry about it. Alex Bakharev 02:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Out of curiosity, what to you consitutes "solid experience"? I have been active on few articles overall, I will freely admit, however, I have made some very extensive edits to some articles, including BattleTech technology. I would be more active in article writing myself if it didn't seem that many of the articles I'm interested in did not draw disputes. I can handle disputes well, in my opinion, however, one who willingly goes into a dispute, is, in my opinion, disruptive. Lately, I have found a new flame in article writing with expanding on stub articles, which I feel is very productive. See my copy editing to Gap loss or minor edits to Guy Marchant as examples. Really I think its not the NUMBER of edits that should be the sole determinant, but the quality thereof. Of course, more edits is more assurance that it wasn't a fluke, but I feel I've made enough content edits to judge. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 03:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I would formulate it as being the major editor behind a Feature Article or being the major editor behind a few WP:DYK/GA/A or B class articles or making vandalism revertions/style/spelling/grammar/MOS fixes measured in thousands. I have put as my criterium 3K mainspace edits but this is just a rule of thumb. Obviously good edits significanly expanding articles require lesser numbers and semi-automatical edits require higher numbers. Alex Bakharev 03:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Is making significant expansions to mainspace articles a key requirement for adminship nowadays? I think it needs to be appreciated that some editors are not significant article expanders, but improve and maintain articles and other aspects of Wikipedia instead. It's obvious now that Wikipedia consists of more than just mainspace articles that need regular attention. --Sagaciousuk (talk) 04:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- There is no official requirements for admins, but this is certainly a part of my own requirements. Actually Wiki is an encyclopedia (that is mainspace), anything else exists there only if it helps to develop the articles. Particularily, admins exist only to make comfortable environment for productive users to work in the mainspace. Without first hand main space experience it is very difficult to see if a controversial admin action makes editors more or less comfortable. The other reason is that promotion without significant mainspace contributions generates We vs They mentality. It is not We who are writing the articles, the articles are written by an anonymous grey mass (Them), We are different: We rule, enjoy power games and occasionaly hit Them on the head. Such a mentality usually does not help. The third reason that an admin is occasionally have to warn devoted mainspace editors with say 50K+ edits. Believe me it is much easier to do if you have some mainspace contributions he or she respect. Alex Bakharev 06:54, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Is making significant expansions to mainspace articles a key requirement for adminship nowadays? I think it needs to be appreciated that some editors are not significant article expanders, but improve and maintain articles and other aspects of Wikipedia instead. It's obvious now that Wikipedia consists of more than just mainspace articles that need regular attention. --Sagaciousuk (talk) 04:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I would formulate it as being the major editor behind a Feature Article or being the major editor behind a few WP:DYK/GA/A or B class articles or making vandalism revertions/style/spelling/grammar/MOS fixes measured in thousands. I have put as my criterium 3K mainspace edits but this is just a rule of thumb. Obviously good edits significanly expanding articles require lesser numbers and semi-automatical edits require higher numbers. Alex Bakharev 03:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Out of curiosity, what to you consitutes "solid experience"? I have been active on few articles overall, I will freely admit, however, I have made some very extensive edits to some articles, including BattleTech technology. I would be more active in article writing myself if it didn't seem that many of the articles I'm interested in did not draw disputes. I can handle disputes well, in my opinion, however, one who willingly goes into a dispute, is, in my opinion, disruptive. Lately, I have found a new flame in article writing with expanding on stub articles, which I feel is very productive. See my copy editing to Gap loss or minor edits to Guy Marchant as examples. Really I think its not the NUMBER of edits that should be the sole determinant, but the quality thereof. Of course, more edits is more assurance that it wasn't a fluke, but I feel I've made enough content edits to judge. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 03:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose with less the 700 edits to the mainspace makes me a little nervous with this RFA. Also the edits are primarily with the AWB. Another problem I see is the wikipedia space, I see literally "no" XFD's. Arjun 03:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - I think wiz does have some experiance with XFD's. WP:MFD/Wikipedia:Esperanza, WP:TFD, WP:TfD agian, Deletion review, WP:AFD/Ultima Dragons, and here where he creates an AFD AFD/CreationWiki. All in all, his contributions to XfD's are more then just simple !support or !oppose, he comes at them with a good argument. I hope this clears up some things. Cheers! —— Eagle 101 (Need help?) 03:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose While I am not familiar with the user's Wikipedia history, I recently had dialogue with him regarding his usage of AWB to blindly delete all blog.myspace.com links. While blog links and Myspace links are generally not acceptable, several editors and myself contested his removal of valid links to Myspace blogs, as seen on his talk page. Peter told a user to stop repeating the argument that was trying to be made, although the user had identified two new stances to back the argument that was being presented -- Point #11 of "Links normally to be avoided" and the WP:RS acceptance of primary sources (the official nature of certain Myspace blogs) for descriptive points. He has continued the same AWB activity today without investigating Myspace blogs on their merits, and the negative response from other editors is clear on his talk page. If this is the cooperation he will have as an admin, I have to oppose. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 03:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually Wizardry Dragon was completely right in doing so as Jimbo apparently requested that all such links be added to the meta spam blacklist. So take it up with Jimbo, not Wizardry Dragon. Cowman109Talk 03:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- He may have. The issue isn't so much that the links were removed, it's that he continued to remove them, after being asked not to. If he was aware that Jimbo requested the links be added to the blacklist, he should have said that, but he didn't. -Amarkov blahedits 04:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Ah - wait a second, how was it possible to re-add the link? Users should not have been able to re-add the link unless it was added to the spamlist afterwards... Odd. Cowman109Talk 04:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Furthermore, why should he have to use Jimbo as a defense for removing disputed external links? --Sagaciousuk (talk) 04:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- To Sagacious: Because dispute is not a reason to AWB external links. As to why the blacklist doesn't work, what was blacklisted was "blogs/.myspace/.com". That's not going to match "blog.myspace.com". -Amarkov blahedits 04:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Furthermore, why should he have to use Jimbo as a defense for removing disputed external links? --Sagaciousuk (talk) 04:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Ah - wait a second, how was it possible to re-add the link? Users should not have been able to re-add the link unless it was added to the spamlist afterwards... Odd. Cowman109Talk 04:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- He may have. The issue isn't so much that the links were removed, it's that he continued to remove them, after being asked not to. If he was aware that Jimbo requested the links be added to the blacklist, he should have said that, but he didn't. -Amarkov blahedits 04:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OpposeNice guy and seems committed to the project. But needs more mainspace contributions to confirm his ability to judge encyclopedic content -- Samir धर्म 03:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Retracted: [6] -- Samir धर्म 06:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually Wizardry Dragon was completely right in doing so as Jimbo apparently requested that all such links be added to the meta spam blacklist. So take it up with Jimbo, not Wizardry Dragon. Cowman109Talk 03:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- No, per recent contentious controversial activity (per Erik for example) and especially per lack of article writing. WP:ENC. – Chacor 03:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- See above rebuttal, please. Cowman109Talk 04:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Changed to
opposestrong oppose per Erik. I still don't care about whether or not someone contributes to the encyclopedia very much. -Amarkov blahedits 03:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Calling good faith bias vandalism, using VP to revert it, strong oppose. -Amarkov blahedits 15:43, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- And I hate to spam opposers as this is probably viewed as intimidation, but see above please, as the circumstances probably require that this is nipped in the bud (is that even the proper saying?) before it turns into a trail of oppose based on Jimbo's request. Cowman109Talk 04:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Don't worry, I really don't understand why people would oppose based on behavior of supporters. But it really isn't necessary; anyone who watches this would see your comment, and if they aren't watching it, replying isn't going to help. -Amarkov blahedits 04:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Amarkov, you said above that your problem was with me continuing to add them after they were contended, however, can you please point out me readding them after the discussion? I do not think I did, and if I did, it was a mistake and should be remedied. If you mean continuing to remove myspace, I have kept in mind the complaints that have raised, and have tried to be more discerning with my removals of myspace. As one user said, "they should be judged on thier own merits." I agree with that, and have been trying to be more careful. If you have a specific complaint, then please tell me, as that's the only way I can know what people think of my work, is feedback, and it's how I can fix issues and improve. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 04:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You used AWB, even after being told that you shouldn't. You do not use AWB for things which require more than minimal discretion. It obviously conveys the impression of semi-automated edits, which is bad, and worse, it encourages clicking through, so even if you are not consciously doing so, you're not evaluating as clearly as you should be. -Amarkov blahedits 04:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- This edit made today was reverted by a user citing that the Myspace blog belonged to the director to share information of the film. Using the AWB could delete appropriate links, and not everyone is going to be able to revert the changes you've made. Who knows what's been lost in the mass deletion process? —Erik (talk • contrib) - 04:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I would Like to point out that the blacklist was modified and that the s in blogs was removed. I assume this was a typo by Raul654 Betacommand (talk • contribs • Bot) 04:52, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Amarkov, you said above that your problem was with me continuing to add them after they were contended, however, can you please point out me readding them after the discussion? I do not think I did, and if I did, it was a mistake and should be remedied. If you mean continuing to remove myspace, I have kept in mind the complaints that have raised, and have tried to be more discerning with my removals of myspace. As one user said, "they should be judged on thier own merits." I agree with that, and have been trying to be more careful. If you have a specific complaint, then please tell me, as that's the only way I can know what people think of my work, is feedback, and it's how I can fix issues and improve. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 04:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Don't worry, I really don't understand why people would oppose based on behavior of supporters. But it really isn't necessary; anyone who watches this would see your comment, and if they aren't watching it, replying isn't going to help. -Amarkov blahedits 04:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose. For me, the answer to the question pose by the candidate his acceptance statement, the short answer is no. There is not enough contribution to both main and wiki spaces to make me comfortable, which also goes to the need for the buttons. However, there are too many other things that sit wrong with me. The first is the mass of co-noms, the first which refers to this nominee's participation in "other official channels" (sic). If this is a reference to all the off-wiki chatter that goes on at IRC, etc., that doesn't make me feel confident. I am also leery in RfAs where the majority of "oppose" comments require some sort of "rebuttal" by the candidate or his or her nominators. That this nominee is the creator of the "Neutrality Project" also leaves me uneasy, as it adds yet a new bureaucracy to wikipedia that wasn't really necessary. This is not the place to argue the merits of this new project, suffice to say the {{POV}} template is more than sufficient for flagging POV issues, and I'm unable to fully trust these types of wiki-clubs that set themselves off from the rest of the community and project some sort of authority that isn't necessary. I am sure that this nominee is a very nice person, but I felt compelled to answer the blunt question that was put. Agent 86 04:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, I too am concerned with the replies to the oppose votes, and it is why I posted the comment I did. If this turns into a group of editors harassing everybody that opposes me, I will withdraw. I feel that everyone with a complaint that presents it respectfully should be treated with respect, and the "pile on" on oppose votes concerns me. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 04:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose nice guy, but the overall impression I get of this user is summed up by the word "officious". (This isn't really the place, but I have reservations about this "neutrality project" that largely parallel Agent86's.) Needs more experience in substantive and sustained article building to acquire "in the field" as well as "by the book" perspective on policy. Opabinia regalis 06:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose the mainspace contribution is far too weak. There are 600 odd mainspace article edits, and most are either automated or tagging, etc. The latest 200 or so, were done in groups of about 50 edits taking about 1 hour each to do a set of 50 AWB edits. There is simply far too few meaty edits. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - nothing against you, but a lack of mainspace edits (which are mainly AWB). Insanephantom (my Editor Review) 09:12, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose - extremely weak main space contributions, too much use of AWB and not enough use of the "Edit this page" tab. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 09:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose, lacks of article contributions, I expect some article writing when one applies to become an admin. This user has done a lot of work in the community side of things, keep it up. Terence Ong 11:43, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose. I don't care about the mainspace. I have seen this user around the admin noticeboards and other Wikipedia talk areas, and I have often seen remarks I do not believe are appropriate for an administrator. RyanGerbil10(Упражнение В!) 12:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- In response to the inevitable request for diffs, the user's opposition to ProtectionBot is a recent enough example of the user failing to understand what is good for Wikipedia. RyanGerbil10(Упражнение В!) 12:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Oppose. Little if any experience of writing this encyclopedia. Needs to show an interest and dedication to the project before trying to climb the ladder. Giano 12:11, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose- per Giano. We simply cannot create a divide between the "editors" who write the articles and the process-wonk admins, who do anything but. This has already caused friction within the project and is entirely unhealthy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. The job of Wikipedians is to write that encyclopedia. Everything else is of secondary importance. Oh, and also per excessive bureaucracy at the Neutrality project, WP:NOT#BUREAUCRACY. That's why we shut down Esperanza, in case everyone's forgotten. Does any other wikiproject function in that way? I can't think of any, bar the Advocacy lot, and that has more than enough problems even without bureaucracy. Moreschi Deletion! 12:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Changed to Strong Oppose per Amarkov. AWB should not be used in what is self-evidently a controversial case. To the nominators: I do not think that this user will consciously abuse the tools in a million years, but I do sense a trainwreck, largely based on my rationale just above. Moreschi Deletion! 13:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- What is more, nor can we have edits that are not blatant vandalism or complete trolling reverted using rollback or its non-admin equivalents, and the fact that the candidate didn't get this straight away is pretty worrying. Moreschi Deletion! 16:16, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Changed to Strong Oppose per Amarkov. AWB should not be used in what is self-evidently a controversial case. To the nominators: I do not think that this user will consciously abuse the tools in a million years, but I do sense a trainwreck, largely based on my rationale just above. Moreschi Deletion! 13:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per Matthew Fenton. May reconsider after 2 months. - Mailer Diablo 13:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose. My only real interaction with Peter was at ProtectionBot's RfA. While there absolutely were valid reasons to oppose adminship for the bot, one of Peter's reasons was that the bot's owner (Dragons flight), may use it as a "backdoor" for admin actions. Several other comments by Peter seemed directed at casting Dragons flight in a negative light rather than debating whether Wikipedia would be better off with the bot. In general, I believe that admin tools would likely be misued (though not abused) by Peter, at least at this time. SuperMachine 13:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per Agent86, RyanGerbil10, and Moreschi. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose. Can't put it down exactly, but something tells me that this isn't a suitable candidate. Dr Zak 13:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Firstly on the grounds of the existance, at all, of this personal attack page (which I only discovered now, while looking for examples of what I see to be the problem here) [7] but also, in that, during the course of the incidents he claims to catalogue, I found User:Wizardry Dragon to be making claims that were constantly at variance with the facts and distorted them considerably. Whether this was an error of judgement, comprehension or integrity, I do not know, but it seems to me, that, whatever the reason, it would not be a good quality in an admin. --Zeraeph 13:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- My strongest oppose ever One of the worst experiences I ever had on Wikipedia was with Wizardry Dragon. I spent considerable time and efforts improving Host desecration only to see my 12 (!) edits reverted by Wizardry Dragon using VandalProof[8] and a vandalism warning placed on my talk page. It soon turned out I was not alone. Other users also complained that Wizardry Dragon had reverted their edits using VP[9][10]. The discussion demonstrated that Wizardy Dragon had no understanding of the definition of vandalism, as he claimed that an edit by Idleguy he saw as POV was vandalism. Giving this user admin tools will only increase their ability to disrupt editing and drive away content writers. Beit Or 14:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose, Beit Or's comment above seals the deal. — Nearly Headless Nick 14:40, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Moved to neutral per his exemplery work in removing blog and myspace links from Wikipedia. I am willing to support if he cares to remove the oversight and chairperson hiearchy from the neutrality project. Regards, — Nearly Headless Nick 11:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Peter M. Dodge, head of Wikipedia neutrality project, eh? I am not supporting anyone who fuels hiearchies on Wikipedia. — Nearly Headless Nick 11:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Moved to neutral per his exemplery work in removing blog and myspace links from Wikipedia. I am willing to support if he cares to remove the oversight and chairperson hiearchy from the neutrality project. Regards, — Nearly Headless Nick 11:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per much of the reasoning posted by Erikster above. Peter and I engaged in the MySpace debate a little longer than Erik would (it eventually moved to User:Eagle 101's page), and I found Peter slightly hostile. Things eventually cooled down, we both essentially agree to disagree, but what troubles me is his blind removal of the links. His explanation, which I leave you to judge, was "I removed over 120 bad links, of which maybe 10 were good - so, which is easier, to just readd those ten good links, or to manually remove the 100+ bad ones? Sometimes when we use such tools there will be those few exceptions. Don't take it personally, as such automated removals are very INpersonal - just readd them and confer with the person doing them so they know to pass over that link next time" (found at User:Eagle 101's page). Additionally, I was troubled when Peter threatened to remove my aruguements from his page (I'm assuming because of this RfA) because he considered it disruptive and/or wikilawyering. Once again, I leave that judgement to you, but either way I must vote to oppose his RfA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SERSeanCrane (talk • contribs)
- Oppose, per all above. Proto::► 15:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per raised concerns. Seeing POV as vandalism is a grave misunderstanding of WP policies. -- Grafikm (AutoGRAF) 15:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per above stated concerns with mainspace edits and "officiousness". I didn't quite parse together that Peter M Dodge was Wizardy Dragon at first, but I've seen comments I would not support in an administrator. Sorry, not now; get your feet wet in article writing and please mind your tone/argumentativeness. -- nae'blis 15:48, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
- It would be churlish of me to oppose someone who does the dirty work at RFCU. Peter does great work there and I have no doubt that he'll make a good administrator some day. At the time, I can't support with so little experience in the main space. Mackensen (talk) 05:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral leaning towards support - while the lack of mainspace edits (particularly discounting AWB edits) is worrying, the candidate clearly does a lot of useful work. The Rambling Man 07:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral, switched from oppose, despite the lack of mainspace edits, it does not necessarily indicate a lack of trust from me. Insanephantom (my Editor Review) 09:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral. Fantastic work, but a good engineer has to have been a mechanic. You need to know what it's like being an editor if you want to help them. yandman 10:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- 'Neutral, Peter does a lot of good work around here, but a couple of things concern me. One thing is the apparent bureaucracy that exists on the Neutrality Project. The other is the fact that Peter doesn't necessarily seem to want to be an admin. I'm going to take some more time to go through his edit history and track this RFA, so I may reconsider later, but right now I'm neutral on it.--Isotope23 14:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The above adminship discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the talk page of either this nomination or the nominated user). No further edits should be made to this page.
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Final (112/1/0); Ended Mon, 22 Jan 2007 21:22:27 UTC
Yannismarou (talk · contribs) – Yannismarou is IMO one of the very best quality contributors we have in wikipedia. His work with Greece-related topics is particularly impressive; through his efforts he has brought to featured status five articles, Pericles, Aspasia, Alcibiades, Demosthenes and El Greco, and is also the founding member of Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Greece. Not less important has been Yannismarou's constant activity in writing peer reviews, and in participating to WP:FAR and WP:FAC. I believe I should also note his extraordinary friendliness and politeness, even when critisized. For all these reasons, I am certain that there is absolutely no risk of him abusing the tools.Aldux 01:42, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I accept.--Yannismarou 20:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia in this capacity. Please take the time to answer a few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
- 1. What sysop chores do you anticipate helping with? Please check out Category:Wikipedia backlog and Category:Administrative backlog, and read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.
- A: Although sysop tools are not a prerequisite in order to fight against vandalism and sockpuppetry, they do help; and as an editor with a number of frequently vandalized articles in my watchlist I can realize their usefulness! As an administrator I will keep a close eye on WP:AIV and WP:SSP. I’m also willing to help with page protection in WP:RFPP, and I will check incidents that require the intervention of administrators in WP:ANI. I have participated as a reviewer in WP:AFD, and I think I can help more as an administrator in CAT:SPEEDY, and especially in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Old, where there is a backlog. Frankly, I cannot promise that I will be always conducting systematic sysop work or that I’ll devote myself in a specific area, but I can promise that I’ll be always ready to assist with my admin tools, which I’ll use prudently. I want to stress that sysop tools are useful and of huge importance, but above all we are editors here (Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia; and encyclopaedias with active sysops but inactive editors are destined to perish!) and thus I intend not to neglect my editing work. I believe I can achieve the right balance between editing and sysop work!
- 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any with which you are particularly pleased, and why?
- A: I am particularly pleased for all my FA contributions. If I have to chose, I would say that, although El Greco is probably my most flawless article, Pericles is the article which in particular stands out. Maybe because it was my first major contribution to Wikipedia or maybe because of the second adventurous FAC, I am sentimentally attached to it. In any case, I do believe that despite its flaws, the article of Pericles is livelier than my other FAs, thoroughly researched, and with a prose of high quality, almost poetic in some parts of it. And I am grateful to Robth who copy-edited the article and rewrote some parts of it in a marvelous way, and to Konstable and Druworos who regenerated my interest in the article after a failed FAC and GAC. The story of El Greco and Pericles indicates IMO that, while time passes and we keep editing, we may be able to write "flawless" articles, but we lose our initial "flame", "spark", and "inspiration", when we were "new" and "inexperienced" here; I don’t know what we can do about it, and if this is something inevitable in Wikipedia.
- On a different note, I’m also pleased and proud of the History of Greece project that I initiated with the encouragement of Argos'Dad. The project is not perfect, neither works ideally, but it already has 31 members, and I think that its goal, the better Wikipedia's coverage of topics related to the history of Greece, has been to a certain extent (we can get much much better) reached.
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A: I have participated in a few heated discussions in Wikipedia (two of my recent ones are here and here). I think this is sometimes inevitable. The most important thing for me is to keep a decent behaviour and to avoid personal attacks. Therefore, even when criticized, I try to implement NPOV, not to be offensive and not to hurt other users’ feelings. Of course, I am not infallible and I often defend my beliefs in a strong way, but I think I have the ability to admit my mistakes and to apologize for them as I have done, for instance, here.
- General comments
- See Yannismarou's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.
Discussion
Support
- Support. Calm, dependable, competent, trustworthy. And it's good to see a candidate with real academic qualification and an unfaltering commitment to article quality. As the old Greek saying goes: Arthro pou dhen éxi Yánni, prokopí poté dhen káni. ("an article without a Yannis will never get featured.") Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support as nom.--Aldux 20:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Unbelievably Strong support, was actually going to nom him myself.--Wizardman 20:35, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- SUPPORT, and yes, this nom is definitely an exception to don't shout! NikoSilver 20:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support-Good user and very nice answers. --TeckWizTalk Contribs@ 20:52, 15 January 2007 (UTC)`[reply]
- Support. I have always found him to be diligent and considerate, and have no doubt that he'll make an excellent admin. Kirill Lokshin 20:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, exemplary contributions. Christopher Parham (talk) 20:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, valuable contributor and surprised that he is not an administrator already. Hectorian 21:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Has the experience and skills to use the tools. Great answers, great user, great admin. candidate. Ganfon 21:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- No-cliches-Here Support --tennisman sign here! 21:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - per nom --T-rex 21:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per Hectorian. Noticed him around on several occasions and he has left a good impression each time. Oldelpaso 22:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Absolutely. Yannis approaches all his work with an unsurpassed dedication to doing the job thoroughly and correctly, which is exactly the sort of approach we need from administrators. --RobthTalk 22:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, a user that can definetely be trusted with the admin tools. — Tutmosis 23:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per above. :) Cbrown1023 23:13, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I see no problems; contributions spread across each of the main spaces. (aeropagitica) 23:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Appears to need the tools, trustworthy, and to know his stuff. Agent 86 23:47, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong support If we could clone him, Wiki would be a better place. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. —S.D. ¿п? 23:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Sounds solid, with good article writing background. Crum375 00:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- STRONGLY Support Probably the second most helpful editor I've ever met on here!--Mike Searson 00:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. A good user, definitely is capable of handling the admin tools. Nishkid64 00:30, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support --Sir James Paul, La gloria è a dio 00:40, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support- Good user--SUIT42 00:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support excellent contributions and an excellent attitude toward adminship. Also, what Sandy said. Opabinia regalis 01:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per nom. Alex43223 Talk | Contribs | E-mail | C 01:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support looks quite good. Dar-Ape 02:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - I'm happy to see more admins who are editors. Good spread of contributions and some helpful tips on his userpage doesnt hurt. Mkdwtalk 02:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per above. Yuser31415 03:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support An amazing editor! Gzkn 03:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support looks good -- Samir धर्म 03:54, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support It's a pleasure to support an editor with such a solid background in researching and writing articles. —Celithemis 04:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per nom − Twas Now 04:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per nom. Rama's arrow 04:55, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Hemmingsen 05:43, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Joe I 06:07, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support--smart guy, committed Wikipedian. Chick Bowen 06:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. --Slgrandson (page - messages - contribs) 07:17, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - every experience with this editor has been positive, and nice answers to question -seems to understand Wikipedia policy well. Trebor 07:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - a good, well-balanced editor. The Rambling Man 07:48, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Great editor with a high level of activity in recent months. No real reason not to. Insanephantom (my Editor Review) 08:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Why not? yandman 11:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, good editor. Terence Ong 11:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- STRONGEST SUPPRT POSSIBLE! Great Wikipedian and always willing to help and will do well as an admin! Kyriakos 12:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support This user is outstanding. Great FA participation, great answers, and a huge effort in peer reviewing articles. He is also a very helpful user and a civil discusser. Definitely worth having the tools. ← ANAS Talk? 12:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm Mailer Diablo and I approve this message! - 12:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm Radiant and I approve this message too! - 13:55, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support It will be nice to have a great content writer as an admin. Beit Or 13:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support as fellow cabalist. Duja► 14:16, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support absolutely.-- danntm T C 16:15, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 16:30, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. He is a calm editor. If he has the patience, he has my vote. Politis 16:43, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Coemgenus 17:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. He has been a pleasure to work with! I'm sure you make a fine admin! *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 21:15, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. per kind editor.--Natl1 (Talk Page) (Contribs) 22:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support a good candidate --Steve (Slf67) talk 23:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support: strong content contributor, good plans for the tools, no concerns. Newyorkbrad 00:48, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong support - good candidate likely to make good use of the tools. Badbilltucker 01:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Khoikhoi 01:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support ~ trialsanderrors 01:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. So far it's unanimous. A very strong candidate. YechielMan 05:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Per ALL reasons above. A very good candidate. INFORMATION CENTER© Talk Contribs 05:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support sounds good, nothing out of order. James086Talk 06:48, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. I've enjoyed his contributions, and I believe we need admins who are strong contributors. --Diomidis Spinellis 11:30, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, outstanding answers, no hesitation in supporting the candidate. Proto::► 13:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support xvvx 13:10, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support --Kalogeropoulos 14:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support /FunkyFly.talk_ 16:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. With pleasure. - Darwinek 19:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Jaranda wat's sup 19:38, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support. If I had only one vote to cast for any of the present candidates, it would go to this one without hesistation as per all the above reasons.--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 20:30, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, per nom. --Carioca 20:45, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Bwithh 20:49, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per several of the above. Just H 21:23, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- dvd rw 21:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support WJBscribe -WJB talk- 22:40, 17 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]
- Support. SynergeticMaggot 22:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I already thought you were an admin. S h a r k f a c e 2 1 7 01:24, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per above. AZ t 01:47, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per above.--Dwaipayan (talk) 11:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support; a rare case of true neutral contributor. Miskin 12:32, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per all. Terrific candidate for adminship.-- Ευπάτωρ Talk!! 16:57, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support. Seems eminently qualified for the extra bit. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support An extremely helpful and good natured editor. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 01:00, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Unwavering support: A highly intelligent contributor. Calm, considerate, knowledgeable, and a Greek: has all the attributes of a great administrator. I only hope your article-writing doesn't suffer. Biruitorul 03:34, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Looks more than qualified. I think he will be a great admin. JungleCat Shiny!/Oohhh! 05:08, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Very good editor, whose contributions have greatly improved Wikipedia. Not only has s/he written several remarkable articles, but s/he also actively participates in reviewing other articles for both GA and FA, and offers excellent constructive criticism. Unfailingly calm and polite, even in stressful situations where others lose their cool. Yannismarou is someone I would trust with admin tools. Jeffpw 08:51, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Finally :-) -- Avg 12:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support A good contributor, what wikipedia needs. Aristovoul0s 18:13, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per above Caglarkoca 19:43, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- I do not vote often, but I have never quite felt as confident with an editor as i do here. Danny 20:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Seems like a very trustworthy dependable user. --Veesicle (Talk) (Contribs) 00:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per nom. --A. B. (talk) 03:24, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support looks good to me, I wish you all the best. Gryffindor 12:34, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per nom. - Modernist 12:55, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per nomination statement. --Siva1979Talk to me 16:47, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Perfect. --Tohru Honda13Talk•Sign here 21:20, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per all. He is an asset to WP. I too, sincerely hope, that your article-writing does not suffer. --No31328 02:35, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support who wants to be the user that puts this over the WP:100? :) Arjun 05:05, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, per nom. A very active peer reviewer. A user whose first commitment is to creating quality content, which is the ideal qualification for an administrator. --bainer (talk) 07:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - I don't see why not. --WinHunter (talk) 14:21, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Good user that could use the tools to help the project greatly. Hello32020 20:05, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support One of our best. + Ceoil 21:00, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support - great contributor, excellent quality contributions and plenty of them. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 02:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support See nothing wrong here at all. IronDuke 04:22, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. You're serious, he wasn't an admin already? GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 10:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support. He has proved himself to be a valuable contributor, and would make a great admin. — Ambuj Saxena (☎) 12:19, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. PeaceNT 15:26, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Sure.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 17:46, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per nomination. Excellent editor. —JavMilos 20:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I support this brilliant editor. //Dirak 20:34, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
- Oppose - He has no doubt made valuable contributions. But I was utterly dissapointed by his support in the afd for a Kurdish genocide article. Although he retracted his vote (in the face of oppositon by third party admins) and suggested the current title of the article, it in my opinion showed a tendency to vote in line with Greek editors regardless of encyclopedic merit and subsequently I would question his objectivity as an admin. --A.Garnet 00:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Is this what you are talking about? --Veesicle (Talk) (Contribs) 01:05, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes. --A.Garnet 01:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Hm, I wouldn't have agreed with everything Yannis said in that debate, but I note his involvement was overall quite constructive and certainly civil. In any case, even an admin has the right to have political opinions just like everybody else on Wikipedia. It's a misunderstanding to believe that admins have an obligation to be "neutral" about everything, or that they shouldn't take part in controversial debates. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I just read through Yannis's participation in that AfD, and I agree with Fut.Perf - his conduct is overall civil and constructive. There is no rule that one must be personally neutral on all possible subjects, only that we write (or name) articles in an WP:NPOV manner based on WP:V sources, and of course collaborate and behave per WP:CIVIL. I think he would be a good admin. Crum375 13:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You're opposing him because you didn't like his stance on one AfD? Looking at it, Yannismarou is certainly civil, does a good job explaining his point, and he apparently thought it was notable. If you don't find the article notable, that's fine, but it shouldn't count against him.--Wizardman 20:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I dont expect him nor any other admin to lack an opinion or be politically neutral all of the time, but i expect them to recognise and uphold encyclopedic standards at all times. He is obviously capable of this as seen by his FA contributions, but in the afd my impression was he abandoned these standards in favour of supporting what was an aggresive and non-notable view concerning Kurds in Turkey. Put simply, If i do not have confidence in approaching this person to resolve a dispute, then i cannot support him to become an admin. --A.Garnet 22:51, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You're opposing him because you didn't like his stance on one AfD? Looking at it, Yannismarou is certainly civil, does a good job explaining his point, and he apparently thought it was notable. If you don't find the article notable, that's fine, but it shouldn't count against him.--Wizardman 20:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I just read through Yannis's participation in that AfD, and I agree with Fut.Perf - his conduct is overall civil and constructive. There is no rule that one must be personally neutral on all possible subjects, only that we write (or name) articles in an WP:NPOV manner based on WP:V sources, and of course collaborate and behave per WP:CIVIL. I think he would be a good admin. Crum375 13:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Hm, I wouldn't have agreed with everything Yannis said in that debate, but I note his involvement was overall quite constructive and certainly civil. In any case, even an admin has the right to have political opinions just like everybody else on Wikipedia. It's a misunderstanding to believe that admins have an obligation to be "neutral" about everything, or that they shouldn't take part in controversial debates. Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes. --A.Garnet 01:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Is this what you are talking about? --Veesicle (Talk) (Contribs) 01:05, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
- The above adminship discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the talk page of either this nomination or the nominated user). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a successful request for adminship. Please do not modify it.
Final (44/4/2); Ended Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:34:19 UTC
Mysid (talk · contribs) – Mysid is an experienced user, having been on en.wiki since July 2005 and amassing over 6600 edits. She specialises in topics related to Finland, especially Finnish national parks. Another of Mysid's areas of expertise is radio. She's also active on the reference desks and new page patrol. She has been instrumental in converting a number of images to SVG format. I feel Mysid will make a good admin because of her willingness to communicate, as shown by her replying to every message on her talk page. Also, there are no admins in WikiProject Radio; I feel that one is needed to deal with vandalism on relatively obscure articles. ~Crazytales (Talk) 17:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I accept the nomination. –mysid☎ 19:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia in this capacity. Please take the time to answer a few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
- 1. What sysop chores do you anticipate helping with? Please check out Category:Wikipedia backlog and Category:Administrative backlog, and read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.
- A: I am most familiar with the speedy deletion process, so I might be interested in cleaning up the CSD backlog. I have worked a lot with images, so I am also familiar with IfD and copyright questions – this would include images with missing or inadequate licensing information and replaceable or orphaned fair use images.
- 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any with which you are particularly pleased, and why?
- A: Of articles I've created, I'm quite pleased with Great Evening Bat as it is a difficult species to find information about. I am also content with my additions to slow-scan television, as well as several vector images I've drawn, namely Image:Gray1193.svg, Image:Pioneer plaque.svg, Image:Submarine cable cross-section.svg, Image:Flag of Los Angeles, California.svg, and Image:Flag of NATO.svg.
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A: In the beginning of my Wikipedianity, when I was actively nominating articles for speedy deletion, I had at least one conflict or dispute with the creator of one article. I attempted to be civil and not be provoked by any personal attacks. I was also thrown in the middle of another dispute (User talk:Mysid/Archive02) which I did not have time to get familiar with.
Optional questions from Malber (talk · contribs)
- 4. What are the five pillars of Wikipedia and why are they important?
- A: The five pillars are all policies and guidelines of Wikipedia in a nutshell. They have been and still are important in making Wikipedia what it is – a free-content and open yet verifiable and neutrally-written encyclopedia.
- 5. Why is wheel warring a bad idea and what steps should be taken to avoid it?
- A: Wheel warring is a bad idea in the same sense as edit warring – when there is no consensus over a dispute, it cannot be forced. Wheel warring can be avoided by the means of thorough discussion on the subject matter or through dispute resolution. The issue can also be brought to other administrators' attention via the Administrator's noticeboard. Remaining civil or taking a break when it feels difficult will also be necessary.
- 6. Who has the authority to ban users?
- A: Bans can be decided on through community consensus, by the Arbitration Committee, the Wikimedia Foundation, or Jimbo Wales.
Optional question(s) from WJBscribe (talk · contribs)
- 7. What do you think of WP:CIVIL? Are there any circumstances in which you feel the policy can be disregarded?
- A: I think the policy should be observed in all situations. I have managed to cool some hostile-looking conversations down just by being civil and referring to well-proven Wikipedia policies.
- General comments
- See Mysid's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.
Discussion
- As a few !opposes below cite the length or apparent superficiality of Mysid's comments, I thought I'd mention the fact that English is not her second language: she is from Finland, and despite her near-perfect grammar it is still not as comfortable to her as her mother tongue. I think her shortish answers are probably more a matter of how well she can express what she is trying to say in another language, rather than of not having anything to say, period. At the same time I believe that having an admin who speaks both Finnish and extremely good English would be an asset, and from my dealings with Mysid I can safely say that there will be no language barriers when it comes to her ability to others in the English language. — Editor at Large(speak) 22:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't know about others, but my issue, at least, is that I don't have the information I want, not so much just that the answers are short. -Amarkov blahedits 00:34, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support
- Nominator support. ~Crazytales (Talk) 19:11, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong support. Very helpful, hardworking and high quality user. West Brom 4ever 19:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes a really nice user. Per West Brom 4ever. --Majorly 19:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support-clearing backlogs is good. Experienced user. --TeckWizTalk Contribs@ 20:37, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Support. I'd like to see more XfD participation, but i don't see any other problems.--Wizardman 20:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Support Dedicated, friendly and helpful editor. I'd prefer to see (a lot) more participation in countervandalism and XfD, but willingness to clear the perpetual backlogs on CAT:SPEEDY seems fair enough. Furthermore, I don't think that she'd abuse the tools.--Húsönd 20:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Appears to be a great user, however the answers to leave something to be desired. Ganfon 21:40, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Support per Husond and Ganfon. --tennisman sign here! 21:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support -- per nom and answer to first question. Willing to help out with images while having a ton of experience[11] is very welcome --T-rex 22:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I have not met this editor, but contributions are well balanced and knowledge of policy appears good. Answewrs are short, but to the point.--Anthony.bradbury 22:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - helpful, intelligent, will use the tools wisely. I think there's a zero chance of abuse and a 100% chance that Mysid will be a helpful, knowlegeable admin. — Editor at Large(speak) 22:47, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I don't think that the admin tools will be abused. (aeropagitica) 23:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support We can trust you. :-P Cbrown1023 23:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Supporting trustable candidate. —S.D. ¿п? 00:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. A great candidate, who will definitely be great as admin. Nishkid64 00:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Support Great editor, but is not really a vandal fighter. I think that article writers really don't need the tools as much, but just because someone is a article writer is not a good reason to oppose. Cheers. --Sir James Paul, La gloria è a dio 00:43, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support good editor; good to hear she's willing to tackle image issues. Opabinia regalis 01:17, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. I am satisfied that the nominee could use the tools and use them well, good contribution history. Agent 86 01:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support! Yuser31415 03:07, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, good candidate. The Rambling Man 07:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Good editor and an active member of the IRC community. --PhantomS 07:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak support - Marginal due to relatively weak answers to questions. But otherwise experienced enough. Insanephantom (my Editor Review) 08:43, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Terence Ong 11:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak support No problems here. User is not likely to abuse the tools, but her answers just do not satisfy me. ← ANAS Talk? 12:43, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm Mailer Diablo and I approve this message! - 12:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support looks alright, although make sure you are familiar with policy.-- danntm T C 16:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. I think the answers above ought to give a little more detail, but everything else looks unobjectionable. Coemgenus 17:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support.--MariusM 19:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - good, devoted users make good admins Alex Bakharev 06:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. It's interesting that the candidate is being opposed for superficial answers, when the questions themsevles are utterly superficial and timewasting. I have no concerns. Christopher Parham (talk) 07:04, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- No reason to think she will abuse admin tools. — Nearly Headless Nick 12:23, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. SynergeticMaggot 22:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Per the nom, this user would make an excellent sysop. Somitho 23:01, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - serious user, good contributions. MoRsE 23:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Qualified. S h a r k f a c e 2 1 7 01:23, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:22, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. I think she'll grow into the extra bit and use it wisely. I can see nothing that makes me think otherwise. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Conscious 16:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per nom. --A. B. (talk) 03:23, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. No problems here, and as an international project we can use multilingual admins very well. Sandstein 16:34, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support There are no major concerns here. A good editor. --Siva1979Talk to me 16:45, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, very unlikely to abuse the tools, and a nice person to boot. :) GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 10:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak support. I would have been happier with fuller answers to questions, but don't think she'll misuse the tools. WJBscribe -WJB talk- 13:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. PeaceNT 15:00, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Oppose for now. Please expand your answer to Q1.Changed to Weak Support. ← ANAS Talk? 20:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose. Question 5 is problematic; wheel warring is more than just edit warring which happens to include admin powers. It's much more of a problem than edit warring. -Amarkov blahedits 03:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Oppose - Mysid has great contributions, but the superficial nature of the answers to questions above make me rather nervous. As a "normal" user who relies on admins to take actions, such as blocking users for vandalism and deleting articles, the answers to quesitons 1 and 5 are a little underwelming. I would greatly appreciate seeing a more through consideration of these questions by Mysid. --Matthew 08:19, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You do not appear well-versed in process, other than answering refdesk questions. I think you need more experience. >Radiant< 13:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- i hate it when ppl use speedy delete, unless someone posted porn or obvious materials that are meant for foolishness, i think speedy delete should be less frequently used. --Juju 05:45, 17 January 2007 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jujucabana (talk • contribs)
Neutral
- Neutral Carpet9 00:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral I don't like the answers to the questions but they aren't bad enough to warrant an oppose from me. James086Talk 06:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The above adminship discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the talk page of either this nomination or the nominated user). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a request for adminship that did not succeed. Please do not modify it.
Final (22/29/17); Ended Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:36:05 UTC
Soman (talk · contribs) – Active for over two years, Soman appears to simply have been overlooked for mopping, and deserves a chance now. He does not deal with process much (although when does, he knows what he's doing) but has a stunning list of nearly two thousand articles he started over the years. Such mightier-than-the-sword penmanship certainly deserves recognition. >Radiant< 17:30, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:
I humbly accept the nomination. --Soman 18:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia in this capacity. Please take the time to answer a few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
- 1. What sysop chores do you anticipate helping with? Please check out Category:Wikipedia backlog and Category:Administrative backlog, and read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.
- A: Mainly mergers, moves and *fDs.
- This initial comment was of course to brief. However, these 3 criteria were not selected on random. I work mainly on articles on organizations (and often political, with complicated histories). I have at many times encountered situations were I think I would be able to contribute in a more giving way by contributing with my understanding of political dynamics (often relating to mergers/splits in political movements), if I had the possibility of obtaining tools of merging and moving. I think I have a good judgement on issues relating to naming and delimitations of article material (generally preferring more exact definitions of article titles rather than descriptions of general phenomenons).
- A: Mainly mergers, moves and *fDs.
- 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any with which you are particularly pleased, and why?
- A: I'm quite proud of contributions like some articles on Francophone West African politics, like African Socialist Movement, African Convention, African Regroupment Party, African Popular Movement, Party of the French Union of Côte d'Ivoire, Students and Pupils Movement of Côte d'Ivoire, etc. Not that these articles are particularily great by themselves, but in many cases they represent subjects very likely to have been overlooked and left without representation at wiki. There are also articles like Communist Party of the Free Territory of Trieste, Set Persson, Communist Party of India (Marxist), All India Forward Bloc, U. Muthuramalingam Thevar, UCCRI(ML), Communist Party of Indonesia, Chondoist Chongu Party etc. that I think I've done significant contrubutions to. Lastly, I'm quite happy to be able to contribute by establishing interwikis across a wide range of languages. Also, I've uploaded a large quantity of images, which are used across a wide range of articles.
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A: I mainly edit articles on political issues, and at many times debates can be rather heated. At a glance it could seem that I'm quite stubborn. In many of those situation I have been subject to name-calling, ad hominems, and in s few cases even verbal abuse and threats. However, I think that in several cases I have shown a willingness to debate (see for example Talk:Left Party (Sweden)). Being active debates on politically volatile subjects and articles easily creates many adversaries, but I try my best to adopt a constructive attitude. One can see several examples that I'm open to cooperation and dialogue also with those with whom I have differences of opinion.
Optional questions from Malber (talk · contribs)
- 4. If you encountered an editor who was also the subject of a biographical article editing their own article, how would you handle this situation as an administrator?
- A: The general guideline must be that one should not edit article dealing directly with oneself or persons in one's near surrounding. Much of info coming out of such edits is impossible to verify, and one should be extremly cautious about letting personal anecdotes, etc. pass as encyclopediatic information. Not everything relating to an individual, even one of great public notability, is needed in a wiki article. Self-promotion by nn people has to be fought sternly when detected (see for instance Rivaji). IMHO, selfpromoting of bloggers should be fought with special focus.
- That said, I have come across some quite interesting contributors that have shared interesting aspects to articles dealing with people presumably close to them. For example User:Vinodm, who appeared to be the son of Anil Moonesinghe, and who edited several articles relating to the political activity of his father. Such people can share light on aspects otherwise missed about notable individuals. Sound judgement should be the principle. Malafide deletions and reverts should be avoided if the editor shows a credible attitude and as long there as material is within the realm of what is possible to countercheck for verifiability.
- 5. Can you name at least one circumstance where it would be inappropriate to semi-protect an article?
- A: There is a possibility in cases that deal with issues outside of the knowledge of virtually all wikipedians. Lets say there is a POV revert war on an ethnic conflict issue in a remote area in a country in the postcolonial world. Roughly, there is an urban, establishment POV (present amongst elite sections in the larger cities of the country or amongst wealthy expatriates, siding with the dominant ethnic group/government forces) and a POV of the concerned group in the periphery. The former will by 99% change have a clear numerical superiority at wikipedia, with several editors to mobilize. The latter POV might have only one editor represented in the wikipedia community. If it is clear that semi-protection of an article will effectively mean that the POV of the article will be tilted (since the only editor representing a dissenting viewpoint would be barred from editing), then introducing semi-protection would mean that the wikipedia community would cement one political POV, contrary to ambitions to have NPOV articles and openness to discussing alternative viewpoints.
- Clarification: This comment was answer to whether I could think of any scenario when semiprotect should possibly be avoided. I do want to clarify that I do not see this as a typical case and that the comment should not be interpreted in the sense that I'm sceptical towards the usage of semiprotection overall. The answer is not a very probable case since the usage of semiprotect tends to deal with a completely different type of articles, namely those that attract large amounts of visitors and on which balance between established wikipedians and casual visitors would tilt towards the latter. --Soman 15:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- A: There is a possibility in cases that deal with issues outside of the knowledge of virtually all wikipedians. Lets say there is a POV revert war on an ethnic conflict issue in a remote area in a country in the postcolonial world. Roughly, there is an urban, establishment POV (present amongst elite sections in the larger cities of the country or amongst wealthy expatriates, siding with the dominant ethnic group/government forces) and a POV of the concerned group in the periphery. The former will by 99% change have a clear numerical superiority at wikipedia, with several editors to mobilize. The latter POV might have only one editor represented in the wikipedia community. If it is clear that semi-protection of an article will effectively mean that the POV of the article will be tilted (since the only editor representing a dissenting viewpoint would be barred from editing), then introducing semi-protection would mean that the wikipedia community would cement one political POV, contrary to ambitions to have NPOV articles and openness to discussing alternative viewpoints.
- 6. What would your thought process be to determine that a business article should be deleted using CSD:G11?
- A: It is difficult to mention exact wordings to look for, usually gut feelings go a long way. However there are a few things to keep in mind. First of all one should look at the first 1-3 edits. If these edits contain surprisingly detailed information, then it is most probably the owner of the business who is behind it all. If exact mention of prices, services, ___location and/or opening hours occur, then there is a clear case for speedy deletion. If the editor is newly registered, that's another warning sign. If the editor seems keen to promote his/her article with wikilinks from other articles (like the article of a geographic ___location), its another sign. Lastly, a google test will (at least regarding most thoroughly industrialized countries) usually do it. If it is mentioned in newsarticles from print media, even a few, speedy deletes should be avoided and the articles at least be given the benefit of the doubt to improve within a few days.
Optional question(s) from WJBscribe (talk · contribs)
- 7. What do you think of WP:CIVIL? Are there any circumstances in which you feel the policy can be disregarded?
- A: The policy as such should not be disregarded. However, there should be an understanding that wikipedia is used by a global audience, and that people interpret comments differently. When approaching behaviour contrary to the WP:CIVIL policy, the intention of the behaviour needs to be addressed. A differentiation of behalf of the admins needs to be made between persons seeking to spoil dialogue and the wikipedia community overall and people with honest intentions but who has difficultly expressing themselves along policy lines.
- General comments
- See Soman's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.
- Comment: Some questions have been raised regarding my experience in dealing with *fDs. Of course, I cannot claim to a higher edit count that the one I have, but I would like to state that I do regularily monitor *fD listings. I enter in those debates in which I judge that my participation in the debate is of value and difference to the outcome. --Soman 15:16, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion
Support
- Go for it! >Radiant< 17:30, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support He really deserves the mop because of his excellent contribution. Shyam (T/C) 18:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Solid editor and good work history. Edivorce 19:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - great editor. Khoikhoi 20:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support a fantastic editor, that I've always found polite and civil, even when put under severe pressure.--Aldux 20:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support, great user who I thought was an admin already,--Wizardman 20:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)Changed vote, I didn't see wikispace edits the frst time.[reply]
- A dedicated, polite, helpful fellow. I come across his Africa-related work from time to time, and I'm consistently impressed with it. Q1 could definitely be longer - but brevity isn't much of a penalty in my book. He's shown a use fo the tools, and he's certainly unlikely to misuse them, so support. Picaroon 21:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support No way to oppose such a dedicated user. His answer are good, and he'll use the tools to everyone's benefit. Ganfon 21:37, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per Ganfon. --tennisman sign here!`
- Support, great contributor. JACOPLANE • 2007-01-15 22:06
Support long track record of thoughtful and productive contributions; seems like he'll make a low-key but responsible and trustworthy admin. Opabinia regalis 01:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)On reading question 5, change to neutral. Opabinia regalis 01:59, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support great editor.-- danntm T C 16:10, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support great editor in political stuff, these editors in the future could be great help in political articles as mediators on talk pages. Also, he created a huge amount of these articles! -- Walter Humala Godsave him! (wanna Talk?) 19:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, excellent editor with strong commitment to objective and knowledgeable editing. Not convinced by answer to question 5 but other answers are good. Palmiro | Talk 22:33, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support a very active editor especially in Africa-related topics. -- Szvest - Wiki me up ® 14:42, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Singopo 00:35, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. An excellent editor. Meticulous about details. Knowledgable. Dedicated. He should make a good admin.--Dwaipayan (talk) 11:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Outstanding editor. Strong support. El_C 01:32, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Proto::► 15:01, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Just the sort of person who ought to be an admin.--Runcorn 16:15, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per nom.--R613vlu 22:16, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support 2000 Article Starts = Dedication needed in an admin. Just H 00:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, dedicated and very unlikely to abuse the tools. If the user wants the mop and bucket, by all means allow 'em to pick it up. GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 10:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, definitely. I'm amazed by the oppose votes here. Everyking 13:17, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
- Oppose While the candidate's contributions to the mainspace are very impressive, the extremely small number of contributions outside the mainspace are underwhelming (i.e. only 260 in the wikispace). Such a low participation rate outside the mainspace provides me with little indication that the nominee even needs the tools, and his answer to Q1 doesn't persuade me otherwise. It also provides me with little indication the nominee really knows the key policies. Actions speak louder than words, so I'll be happy to support after a significant improvement in participation outside of writing articles. While adminship is no big deal, it's also not a reward or prize given out for prolific article writing. Agent 86 19:04, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Many of those "2000 created articles" are little less then stubs for many times very small political parties. Many of those created articles also lack any sources which account for one of Wikipedia's fundamental principals: Verifiability. The following are some articles created with no sources: [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], etc... Upon reviewing this user for this RFA I have also noticed that after a discussion in March of last year on Talk:List of political parties in Peru over the use of these unverified stub pages in that article the candidate had waited until November to add them all back [18] I also don't agree with the following edit conflict on the Shining Path article where the user continued to revert back to an image of pro-SP graffiti in Stockholm, Sweden claiming that a cell of the Shining Path existed there. [19] [20] Regardless of one's political beliefs the simple fact is that it was irrelevant to the article because a group of people out in Sweden claiming themselves to be followers of the Shining Path is irrelevant, yet despite this the user continued to insert it into the article. I've unfortunately found that trait to be common by looking at the user's edit history. With all of this evidence I can not support adminship.--Jersey Devil 23:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment it is completely unethical to remove other user's votes on RFA's as you did here [21]--Jersey Devil 23:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]- I edited from an older version, thus removing comment accidentally. --Soman 23:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok thank you for clarifying that.--Jersey Devil 23:35, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Regarding the Peruvian parties, I clarified long ago on the talk page of List of political parties in Peru that the source for the large numbers of stubs was [22]. That said, I think that one would be able to see a difference between my initial work at wikipedia and later in regards to using references, a natural step as the work becomes more structured. --Soman 23:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- What matters is that none of those pages as of today have references. There is really nothing more to say then that.--Jersey Devil 23:43, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Regarding the Peruvian parties, I clarified long ago on the talk page of List of political parties in Peru that the source for the large numbers of stubs was [22]. That said, I think that one would be able to see a difference between my initial work at wikipedia and later in regards to using references, a natural step as the work becomes more structured. --Soman 23:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Ok thank you for clarifying that.--Jersey Devil 23:35, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I edited from an older version, thus removing comment accidentally. --Soman 23:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per Jersey Devil and for reasons dealing with the lengths of POV-pushing and vandalism this user went through to whitewash a notable controversy on Brinda Karat (who incidentally is a high ranking member of the Communist party of India) [23],[24]. The page history shows a protracted battle in which I tried to bring mainstream criticism to the article and was rebuffed by soman an another user even when I provided multiple reliable sources to attest to the facts[25]. Also the users habit of seeing "communalists" everywhere is disturbing. Also the user in question accuses other of being politically motivated [26] showing utter ignorance of WP:AGF.Bakaman 23:36, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose I get a bad feeling about this candidate's temperament and skills at dealing with other editors. Seems a little to prone to snap at other and be a little blunt [27]. Also very poor use of edit summaries, and not a strong reason given for needing the tools. TigerShark 01:11, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per those above. Yuser31415 03:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong oppose per above opposes, and answer to question five. You apparently do not understand what semi-protection; it isn't ever used to stop content disputes with IPs, only vandalism. Also, adminship is not a reward for working on the encyclopedia. Working a bit on the encyclopedia is sometimes nice, to show that a user isn't going to succumb to adminitis, but encyclopedic contributions are never going to get me to support a candidate, because adminship is about technical tools, not article writing. -Amarkov blahedits 03:55, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I hope you mean that encyclopedic contributions are the only criteria for support, not that one could do without them and still get your support. --210physicq (c) 05:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Um... neither. I said that I don't care if there are all that many, but there still should be some. My point was that I'm not going to oppose because someone only has 200 article contributions (or at least, it won't be the only reason), while I will easily oppose someone with only 200 projectspace contributions. -Amarkov blahedits 05:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oops, I screwed up the question. I intended to ask this: "I hope you mean that encyclopedic contributions are one of many criteria for support, not that one could do without them and still get your support." Sorry for my sleepiness. --210physicq (c) 06:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, that was what I meant. -Amarkov blahedits 22:35, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oops, I screwed up the question. I intended to ask this: "I hope you mean that encyclopedic contributions are one of many criteria for support, not that one could do without them and still get your support." Sorry for my sleepiness. --210physicq (c) 06:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Although I do not support this candidate, I entirely disapprove of this view. It a/ encourages newer editors to spend more time bickering in policy forums and xfd pages and less in creating content, which is A Bad Thing, and b/ ignores that adminship is in fact intended to be a "reward for service" in that it's simply a mark of being trusted not to misuse the tools. Making it a question of "needing" the tools is silly, and denying it to editors who do not participate in particular forums very wrong, particularly when those who are denying it do not themselves contribute more metacontent and not much actual material. It's not that I have a problem with your being a metacontributor, Amarkov, but I do have one with your insisting that others should be one too to gain your support. I think that on deeper reflection you might agree that without content contribution, there is no encyclopaedia, and that those who contribute content should not be discouraged in any way, particularly not by withholding marks of trust, which is how the admin bit is more widely considered. Grace Note 07:59, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Um... neither. I said that I don't care if there are all that many, but there still should be some. My point was that I'm not going to oppose because someone only has 200 article contributions (or at least, it won't be the only reason), while I will easily oppose someone with only 200 projectspace contributions. -Amarkov blahedits 05:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I hope you mean that encyclopedic contributions are the only criteria for support, not that one could do without them and still get your support. --210physicq (c) 05:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per those above.--D-Boy 07:40, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose I'm uncomfortable with the answer provided to question 5, that's not at all my understanding of semi-protection should be for. This answer is particularly unnerving with respect to the "heated" arguments that are discussed in question 3. What happens when a "heated" argument involves an anonymous user and suddenly a page ends up semi-protected? Sure a lot of anons are vandals, but many are legitamite and may have different views than Soman. I'm confident based upon Soman's dedication to the project that they would not intentionally abuse their administrative powers, but "debates" - which Soman has said he is willing to engage in (Q3) - can get pretty heated, especially when they're political. --Matthew 08:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak oppose - Very good contributor (created 2000 articles? Great!), but a slight lack of WP edits per above. Insanephantom (my Editor Review) 08:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Pragmatic Oppose - Don't want you wasting your time on administrative actions when you're such a great editor. You don't need to be an admin, and your strength is in writing articles. yandman 11:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose - per above. My eyes glazed over proletarian-speak in his answer to Q5. While we all suscribe to different ideologies, i'm not convinced that Soman would be able to divorce his biases from his administrator duties. Amey Aryan DaBrood© 15:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose. Appears to have a poor grasp of Wikipedia's fundamental content policies. Jayjg (talk) 17:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose at the risk of piling on, as there seems to be a serious lack of understanding of key policies. I suggest serious rereading of the basic pillars before anything else... TewfikTalk 17:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose - it's fine that Soman is a passionate editor, but there is no evidence that there's the good judgment needed to be a solid admin. And if there are concerns about the grasp of content policies, there's cause for serious concern. --Leifern 17:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per Jersey Devil and POV issues raised above. Beit Or 19:35, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose. Seems not understanding what semiprotection is for.--MariusM 19:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per Amakarov, Jayjg, et al.. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 20:04, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per Bakaman and Leifern. 6SJ7 20:17, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per above.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 20:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per above - seems to have own interpretation of policy. --Squeezeweaseltalk 22:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per above. --PinchasC | £€åV€ m€ å m€§§åg€ 23:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per answer to Q5. Rama's arrow 23:54, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose above notes including Q5. Carpet9 00:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per above. SlimVirgin (talk) 00:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per above. Sorry, but creating a lot of articles seems not so impressive if they're created as reference-less stubs. This also shows lack of grasp of core content policies. Also response to Q5 seems off - what does the numerical balance of editors with different political views have to do with semi-protection? Semi-protection is specifically about restricting editing by new or anon IP accounts, not minority view editors. I'm not sure where this 99%-hegemonic-forces-on-Wikipedia is coming from either. Bwithh 16:25, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per answer to Q5. I also agree with Bwithh and TigerShark. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:22, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose The lack of edit summaries is a concern here. --Siva1979Talk to me 16:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per semi-protection concerns. - Mailer Diablo 20:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose - nothing to make me support. Too little XfD participation. Answers and previous actions show problems with understanding key wiki policies. Too many stubs. Try again later. --ElaragirlTalk|Count 22:04, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
- Neutral I understand that you are a great and valuable contributor to the mainspace, but neither your edit count, nor your answer to Q1 show any need of the tools. Plus, your edit summary usage needs some work. I would've voted oppose if it weren't for your rather impressive efforts in the mainspace. Sorry. ← ANAS Talk? 19:21, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral I will go neutral on this because of the answer to question one only the merge task requires admin powers and that can be requested from active admins already. Excellent editor otherwise. (aeropagitica) 20:04, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral Virutally no XfD experience keeps you from a support.--Wizardman 22:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral, changed from support-It's amazing that you've written 2,000 articles! That may be the top on Wikipedia! However, you answer to Q1 was weak, and I consider it and Q3 the most important.
- Neutral You have nearly 20,000 edits, and a good spread into WP:NAMESPACE. Only your answer to Q.1, which gives no indication of why you need the tools, stops me supporting. Do you want to expand your answer?--Anthony.bradbury 22:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral In your answer to question 1, the only item that showed a need for administrative tools was Deletion debates and of those you have almost no experience. Also, the answer was a little short. You seem to be a great editor, but I'm not sure you'd be as useful as an administrator. Cbrown1023 23:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral --Sir James Paul, La gloria è a dio 00:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral - no doubt an excellent contributor with an incredible number of contributions, but becoming admin would make this harder. Wasn't blown away by answer to Q1 either. I think a bit more interaction with other users on their Talk pages, along with some more clear demonstration of policy knowledge would make this candidate a good admin in the future. The Rambling Man 07:43, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral, good editor, but needs more experience in areas such as xFDs. Terence Ong 11:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral Wizardman summed up my feelings. Sorry. --Dweller 13:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral. Great mainspace edits but simply not enough project space contributions to be able to assess policy knowledge and judgment. WJBscribe (WJB talk) 22:40, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral change from support. Excellent editor, but needs a bit more familiarity with policy, I think. Opabinia regalis 01:59, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral. Great editor. Answers to questions 4, 6, and 7 raise some questions about familiarity with policy and process. Dragomiloff 02:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral: Excellent editor, but unclear demonstration of policy leds me to be neutral. S.D. ¿п? § 12:32, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral. Excellent editor but lack of WP namespace edits. Will surely vote support next time if the concerns will be addressed. I feel that many opposers here opposed Soman only due to his political views. - Darwinek 19:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral. All my interactions with Soman have been positive, but purely based on past contributions and answers to questions, I don't think he needs the tools. There is nothing with him I find "opposing", hence this neutral comment. Wikipedia should encourage people from different backgrounds, and I feel that Soman has done good work in countering systematic bias in some fields. — Ambuj Saxena (☎) 12:24, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral. Soman's contribution is impressive, but lack of edit summary usage and Wikipedia edits causes concern. Sorry. PeaceNT 15:15, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The above adminship discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the talk page of either this nomination or the nominated user). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a successful request for adminship. Please do not modify it.
Final (50/14/9); Ended Mon, 22 Jan 2007 13:40:44 UTC
BozMo (talk · contribs) – This is a self nomination by BozMo. I am not a saint, not the best ever editor either nor likely to change the world by being an Admin, but I am fairly levelheaded, understand WP policy (I think) and have been around for nearly three years trying to improve WP; I think without upsetting too many people but perhaps I am about to find out... I think being an admin would allow me to help with low-hanging fruit on AN/I and also occasionally sorting out some of the spam and vandalism where I have been a little more involved lately. BozMo talk 11:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia in this capacity. Please take the time to answer a few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
- 1. What sysop chores do you anticipate helping with? Please check out Category:Wikipedia backlog and Category:Administrative backlog, and read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.
- A: There are fairly simple sysop inventions back-logged at AN/I which I think I could help with: e.g. to help mopping up pieces of a sock-puppet farm at Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Sselvakumar, rather than chasing admins on it. I think I could help with speedy deletion and other bits of the deletion process. I do not anticipate many other things but get drawn to need and am happy to learn.
- 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any with which you are particularly pleased, and why?
- A: I tend to work on articles more on talk pages than in doing main work on an article myself; I think about 70-80% of my edits are on talk pages, including drafting etc. Partly that's because as a mathmo my spelling isn't that great. There are a few other things which I feel are particular contributions but they are buried so deep in the edit history they may have been deleted and re-discovered since: the intro to the article on Statistics for example which is still close to what I suggested on the talk page several years ago.
- But I am going to answer this a little unconventionally, taking "Wikipedia" in the wider project sense. Although in part it was done as part of my "real" job for a charity, I regard making the 2006 Wikipedia CD Selection (the CD not the article) as a pleasing contribution both to the WP project (since it has put WP articles in the hands of thousands of children who did not have it) and to society (not that I think it was perfect, but it was surprisingly hard work for what it was). Strangely this same project gives my biggest feeling of dis-satisfaction: it would have been better to get more ownership on wiki (only part of the process was done here). That will come with the Release versions but necessarily that process is slower (and more thorough).
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A: I have been in edit conflicts. Generally I do not get very stressed but sometimes I must come over as aggressive since people act aggressively back. Probably the worst I've been in (as a protagonist rather than peacemaker) was [28] (where the other person got blocked for 3RR on another article before we'd finished) or more recently I provoked irritation here: [29]. Personally, I have also been irritated twice by disconnect between tech mailing lists and the online community and probably left some slightly ratty notes about that around. Most of the time though it is pretty aimiable; and I enjoy the community here.
- Optional question from Amarkov (talk · contribs) lifted from Malber (talk · contribs)
- 4. What do WP:IAR and WP:SNOW mean to you?
- A: Both are statements on the importance of common sense, and one is derived from the other. WP:IAR says if a decision looks wrong on broad principles then rather than slavishly applying the letter of the policy (when you've given reasonable credit to the people who thought the guideline through and those who voted it in, and who may just be as thoughtful as you) go with what looks obviously right and consider improving the policy. Snowball is similar: e.g there is no point keeping this RfA open and waste people's time reading it if enough people clearly think for whatever reason it shouldn't happen. Snowball is harder to call because on AfD's etc sometimes people like me change our minds when someone comes up with a good argument. --BozMo talk 16:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Optional questions from Malber (talk · contribs)
- 5. If you encountered an editor who was also the subject of a biographical article editing their own article, how would you handle this situation as an administrator?
- A:It depends. I would generally check that the article met the guidelines for inclusion in WP:BIO. If I saw a case like [30] which I noticed at the time I would smile and move on happy. If it was a little bit more of an edit, or habit I would politely point them at WP:AUTO#If_Wikipedia_already_has_an_article_about_you. If it looked to me like they were including information which was based on their self-knowledge I would also mention WP:VER#Sources, and explain why self-knowledge and/or original research isn't appropriate here (people struggle with that) . If necessary WP:Peacock and WP:NPOV are worth having to hand, but only if appropriate. In general I would try to leave comment on the users talk page for whichever was less of a week or until I saw them editing anything else before correcting the article as needed (except for libel or copyright or speedy deletions). I try to avoid short remarks with lots of links to policy but just mention the key ones and explain principles. I do know the policy to back up generally though. --BozMo talk 18:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- 6. Can you name at least one circumstance where it would be inappropriate to semi-protect an article?
- A: ::A: When any other solution existed to a problem! I am not hankering after the ability to semi protect pages, it is not a sharp instrument. Despite what Jimbo said on infrequented pages I would rather watch an article than semi-protect it. --BozMo talk 19:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- 7. What would your thought process be to determine that a business article should be deleted using CSD:G11?
- A:Where there's basically no good content but a possibly notable company? I do run into these. More often when the article is about a product or service though, with very little real content. They are difficult because many of them come under assume good faith: there may be genuine people in a company who don't understand what we are or what we do and just see us as advertising space. But with others assume good faith makes you feel like Matilda's aunt (the effort to believe Matilda very nearly killed her), they are blatant plugs. Generally my starting point is the edit history to look at the editors and try to deal with WP:COI first (there are often conflicted parties, and going for them first reduces any heat if they want to revert your changes). When I have asked any such what relationship they have and explained any conflict, I tend to put {{prod}} to see whether there are people who we can get involved in improving the article. If people turn up to help, great. If I get a stroppy revert I send to AfD. By the way I have just been through nominating to tidy up Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/ESLUSA, Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Teach_English_Abroad, Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Teaching_English_in_Taiwan and {{prod}}ing some related ones Eslcafe, Dave's ESL Cafe. You don't need to be a sysop for that unless it gets nasty. --BozMo talk 19:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- General comments
- I can think of several good reasons people may not wish me to be a sysop, and respect such view points. One is the conflict of interest declaration on my user page. Another is whether in generating the CD selection I was too much of an outsider. A third is a tendency to walk away from conflict and hand over to someone else.
- See BozMo's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.
Discussion For enlightenment, on the edit count thing see [31] which shows a pattern on a much higher level of edits from early 2006. --BozMo talk 13:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support
- Support Look like a very good person to me and that is my basic criteria of supporting people. Furthermore, I do not get what is wrong if he will not be a very active admin? He can still work as admin whenever he will have extra time available. Less active admin will still be more useful for wikipedia than NO admin. --- ALM 15:04, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Provisionalsupport,to prevent snowball closure of this until I have an answer to my question. I don't understand why an admin should be opposed for inactivity. -Amarkov blahedits 16:11, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Question answered, changed to full support, still trying to figure out why being active is relevant to being a good admin. -Amarkov blahedits 03:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strongest support -- he beat me to nominating -- I've worked extensively with BozMo on spam investigations with WikiProject Spam and he's impressed me greatly. I was going to nominated him later this week when I had time. --A. B. (talk) 16:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment -- re: edit count concerns, I think there's some confusion; perhaps one of the edit count tools is not working right. Here's what Interiot's tool shows:
- Mainspace: 896; Talk: 1746; User talk: 580; User: 812; Wikipedia talk: 259; Wikipedia: 235; Other spaces:68
- Total edit count to date: 4596; last 10 weeks: 838
- Furthermore, some of his spam investigation edits involve a fair amount of time per edit; my impression from working with him is that he's spending at least an hour/day and often much more on Wikipedia this month. --A. B. (talk) 17:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment on "commitment" -- Give some respondents' concerns about BozMo's commitment to Wikipedia, in addition to the 4500+ edits shown by Interiot's edit tool, Bozmo has probably spent hundreds of additional hours on the non-profit 2006 Wikipedia CD Selection. It's not a Foundation-sponsored project but I think it is within the spirit of the project. This person is a confirmed Wikipediholic possibly beyond all hope of redemption short of a massive intervention by friends and loved ones. --A. B. (talk) 16:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment -- re: edit count concerns, I think there's some confusion; perhaps one of the edit count tools is not working right. Here's what Interiot's tool shows:
- Support I believe he is dedicated to the encyclopedia, and simply because he was no able to rack up tons of edits recently should not be a bar to adminship as long as he is otherwise qualified.-- danntm T C 17:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I see no reason not to support. --Aminz 18:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Good anti-spam work, length of time with the project shows ample commitment. You don't need to live on Wikipedia 24/7 to be a good admin. Oldelpaso 19:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- Being here a long time but not having been particularly active in the beginning is not a bad thing. Those who think that 200-300 edits a month is not enough should take a step back and think about how much that really is (especially when it involves a lot of talk edits, which take much more time and thought than typos, categorizations, and vandal reversions) -- Renesis (talk) 19:06, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support OK, so he comes and goes; many of us have a life in the real world outside wikipedia, and so long as his edits are good and sensible, and broadly spread over mainspace and namespace, which they are, I don't think that occasional periods of lack of activity are significant. His total count is fine.--Anthony.bradbury 23:11, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak support Wikispace edits are a little low for my taste but BozMo is a very thoughtful editor which I believe is very unlikely to abuse admin tools. Pascal.Tesson 00:03, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- SupportBozMo's pioneering work with the CD release helped blaze a trail we are now following with WP:1.0 work. Putting the CD together involved an enormous amount of work, and it has put Wikipedia in many school classrooms and orphanages around the world. In my dealings with BozMo, he has always been friendly, helpful and supportive, with a good sense of humour and realism. He'll be a real asset to the admin team. Walkerma 00:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - my path frequently crosses with this editor and I believe the admin tools will enhance his already fine contributions. ✤ JonHarder talk 02:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, my own edits/day do not reach, on average, much higher than 12/day some months, and people voted me on as a sysop unanimously. I see no reason not to trust that this user will make good use of the tools when they have time to do so. -- nae'blis 15:16, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Proto::► 15:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Inactivity is no reason to deny an otherwise acceptable admin candidate. When he's here, he can use the tools, when he's not, what difference will it make if he has them or not? I fail to see the reasoning.--Scimitar 17:40, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Has been around a while; answered questions well, mature attitude, straightforward about admitting when he has messed up. Per WP:RFA I regard such qualities as more important than meeting arbitrary numerical cutoffs. Raymond Arritt 19:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support.Old wikipedian, with experience.--MariusM 19:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. We needs admins, not edits-per-month-count-itis. RyanGerbil10(Упражнение В!) 20:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. BozMo would make a fine and trusted Admin. --Hu12 21:40, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support. As an admin who doesn't make that many edits per month, I have to say I'm a bit disturbed by the oposing sentiment. RfA is about whether we can trust this user with the mop. Based on everything I have seen, I would say absolutely. Indeed, I am more comfortable with an editor who makes slow, cautious, and deliberate edits than someone who becomes over-invested in the project to the point of losing it. Adminship is no big deal, when it starts to become a big deal, that's when we get the admins who snap and start wheel-warring or become obsessively entrenched in a particular wiki-philosophy. Irongargoyle 22:35, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I would also like to commend BozMo on the CD work. Irongargoyle 22:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I see no problems, slow activity is not a concern of mine. James086Talk 06:43, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- No concerns, satisfied he has the necessary grasp on policy. Christopher Parham (talk) 06:59, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Support (switched from oppose) - I have concerns, as listed below, about the level of involvement in various administrative tasks and processes. However, an expressed (and demonstrated) willingness to improve in the areas of concern, combined with strong anti-spam work, has convinced me that this user would make a good admin. --BigDT 21:42, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support It's not always about how many edits a user has, its what the person does with it. BozMo in my believe will be a quality sysop and should be entrusted with the tools. Somitho 23:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Let me put this quite bluntly - those who say that edit count or edit distribution show that he isn't committed to the project haven't been in WP:1.0. He has been simply invaluable there. Titoxd(?!?) 02:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. based on response to Wizardman's !vote below. I think he'll make a fine admin. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:10, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Friendly, level headed, good answers, makes strong contributions. It's clear to me this user's not going to abuse the tools. Many opposes seem based on editcountitis. It's easy to jack up your edit count without helping the project any. For example, the candidate could stop working so hard investigating spam and start voting in every AfD without looking at the articles first. So maybe the lower count shows a greater amount of integrity! delldot | talk 05:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support A very friendly and good user. It is time to give him the mop. --Siva1979Talk to me 16:42, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support because this is a good editor. The mop should be the natrual progression for every good editor. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 18:33, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support should be just fine as an admin. NoSeptember 00:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
- Support per comments made by: User:A. B., & User:J.smith. --Parker007 05:21, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong support. For all the good reasons listed above (and because I was unimpressed with most of the reasons listed in the oppose votes). BlankVerse 08:38, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support looks good -- Samir धर्म 19:18, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Jaranda wat's sup 21:47, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Previously was opposed...but I don't know why. I don't thin k it was actually me voting the first time. I don't agree with the opposition about a low edit count at all. Best of luck, Ganfon 01:18, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per his work in the anti-spam effort and what appears to be a good ability to think through complex issues (although I do disagree with him over nofollow). ScottW 04:00, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per Scimitar and delldot. Joe 04:46, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong and Moral Support. Good candidate. It's a shame that people think you shouldn't be an admin since you haven't met some arbitrary number of Mainspace edits. I love the CD, by the way. -- Chris is me (u/c/t) 05:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, you may or may not make much use of the tools, but in my opinion you're not too likely to abuse them, which is pretty much my only criterion. GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 08:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Angus McLellan (Talk) 10:51, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Cabal support, I find the oppose votes less than convincing. Administrators are not essentially article contributors. This user is unlikely to abuse admin tools. Keep up the good work! — Nearly Headless Nick 12:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Looks good to me. The guy can and will put the admin tools to good use. - Aksi_great (talk) 12:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weakish Support, I cannot see how you would cause any harm to Wikipedia by gaining +sysop. You've shown me enough to put my trust in you, although the opposers do raise a couple of valid points. Daniel.Bryant 12:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Contributions look good; answers convincing. — Ambuj Saxena (☎) 12:17, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Terence Ong 12:19, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Just returning from my wikibreak and see no problems here. :) Glen 12:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- (edit conflict) Support - per above, a fine contributor all round :) Michael Billington (talk • contribs) 12:23, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- --Aktron 12:33, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support: this user's anti-spam activities make them a "good guy" in my book, and frankly the "Oppose" rationales seem thin. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 12:47, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per Phil Boswell. If we had half the number of admins dealing with spam that do vandal fighting, our work on the Spam projects would be a hell of a lot easier. --Kind Regards - Heligoland 12:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. I am satisfied this user is trustworthy and understands policy. WJBscribe -WJB talk- 13:28, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
- Oppose - The last "contribution" I can find you made to the encyclopaedia (the thing we are building here) was on the 8th of January :-\[32] thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 12:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I think something odd's going on with the edit histories and edit count tools today; BozMo has made over 200 edits from 8 January through today.[33] [34] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by A. B. (talk • contribs) 17:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]
Oppose - I'm not one for editcountitis, but the level of commitment to this project seems very low, given edit count vs length of time here. Assuming that many of those edits have been on work-related projects, as you indicate, I can't imagine you'll be an active admin... and we've got enough inactive ones already. Sorry. --Dweller 12:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)(!vote changed to neutral Dweller 20:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC))[reply]
- Oppose, not really any clear cut demonstration of policy understanding, very few Wikispace edits, not quite active enough. The Rambling Man 13:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now You seem like a strong determined user, all you need is more experience. Involve yourself more in different projects and work harder on editing, and you'll find your mop eventually. Ganfon 15:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]- I don't remember posting this vote, to be honest. nad I don't know what i was thinking. Perhaps that auto-login needs to come off. Changed to support.
Oppose due to low wikispace edits and what looks to be a lack of commitment.--Wizardman 17:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC)Points convinced me to take out opose stance. I'll withdraw from voting on this one.--Wizardman 03:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Total edit count to date: 4596; last 10 weeks: 838 (see A. B. post above for details) . Now I think all of above opposing only on the base of edit count should rethink? --- ALM 17:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- That would be about 84 edits a week, or 12 a day. That's not terrible but he's donna have to do more to be a good admin. Plus he's only got 200-odd Wikispace edits, not enough, that's been my stance on every RfA.--Wizardman 17:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- So he will not be an extremely useful admin but still be a useful admin with lesser edits? We do not have limit on number of admin here you can select him and another one with more edits. No? For example if I can hire free persons and a person say he will work one hour only instead of eight hours (and the person is good). Then tell me for my company it will be better to hire him or not to hire him? I will get one hour value work because he is a good person. --- ALM 17:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wizardman, I agree about the importance of Wikispace edits in RfAs. In BozMo's case, you may also want to include Wikipedia Talk space since that's where most WikiProject Spam activity occurs (compare WP:WPSPAM vs. WT:WPSPAM -- I have no idea why it's that way.) Month to date, he's one of top 3 editors on WikiProject Spam in January with 31 edits[35] plus many more edits following up on spam identified there.
- For every WT:WPSPAM edit, there are several associated article space edits involving clean-up + warnings to make. Also, some of these complex spam investigations require considerable time per edit, just researching the associated domains. (Someone catches an anon IP spamming one ___domain, then a 2 hour-long investigation shows another 5 to 10 socks adding links to the same ___domain + 10 others owned by the same person). I figure BozMo's been spending at least an hour a day on process-oriented tasks over the last 2 to 3 months. --A. B. (talk) 18:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- So he will not be an extremely useful admin but still be a useful admin with lesser edits? We do not have limit on number of admin here you can select him and another one with more edits. No? For example if I can hire free persons and a person say he will work one hour only instead of eight hours (and the person is good). Then tell me for my company it will be better to hire him or not to hire him? I will get one hour value work because he is a good person. --- ALM 17:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- That would be about 84 edits a week, or 12 a day. That's not terrible but he's donna have to do more to be a good admin. Plus he's only got 200-odd Wikispace edits, not enough, that's been my stance on every RfA.--Wizardman 17:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose for Now per Ganfon. --tennisman sign here! 21:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per low edit count. Yuser31415 03:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Please find a more useful criterion to start applying at RFA. Edit count is not an issue in this, or most, nominations. Becoming an admin is not about meeting an arbitrarily chosen number. --Cyde Weys 05:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, edit count makes sense when you have people who just barely manage 1000 edits. Not so much in cases like this with over 2000. -Amarkov blahedits 05:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Please find a more useful criterion to start applying at RFA. Edit count is not an issue in this, or most, nominations. Becoming an admin is not about meeting an arbitrarily chosen number. --Cyde Weys 05:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose 897 main namespace edits over a period of nearly three years is ludicrously small for an aspiring admin. With most of the user's edits being to talk pages, one can reasonably question their commitment to building an encyclopedia and their command of content policies. Beit Or 13:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Reluctant oppose for several reasons, none of which would be enough individually, but collectively, with regret, I must oppose. (1)Very low edit summary use - 87% for major edits and 28% for minor edits per Interiot's counter. (2) I have some concern about your familiarity with policies and procedures. A couple of times in the last month, you nominated at AFD articles that fit the criteria for speedy deletion. If you are potentially going to be closing deletion discussions, some substantial evidence of familiarity with the process is a good thing. (3) You have no edits to WP:AIV (or at least nothing since May) ... again, this doesn't matter too much in and of itself, but if you are going to be blocking vandals at AIV, it would be helpful to see some evidence of familiarity with it. (4) In your recent vandalism reverts that I looked at, there was no evidence that you applied an appropriate {{test}} template to the user's talk page. In general, vandals aren't going to be blocked until an attempt is made to engage them through the templates and just reverting them without applying the template delays that process. --BigDT 18:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC)Switched to weak support --BigDT 21:42, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]- It is no doubt bad form to reply (I first put this on the user page) but I don't mind and agree with these comments so much I wonder about withdrawing. The only consolation I can offer myself or others is (1) someone very recently pointed out to me about edit summaries, in particular that I could set preferences to self remind about this bad habit which I do now (2) until a few days ago I haven't really hung around recent changes (I guess I am unusual like that), so the vandalism I have generally picked up through "watch" is mainly subtle enough to have got through the RCP and many of the cases were repeated vandalism from roving IPs or school IPS so there didn't seem much point apart from occasional ones (e.g. [36]. Anyway I don't always put remarks on new vandals pages which I agree I should and I have gone back over the recent ones... (3) speedy delete versus AfD I have mixed feelings about. I got a little irritated when the servers had a very slow day and whenever they started working again someone had speedy deleted an article or reflagged for db an article I was starting here: [37]. I am inclined to the view that new articles are so invisible anyway we should give them more of a chance; particularly if they are started by a serious editor. Perhaps if I hung around Recent Changes more I would have a better idea of the scale of the real problem: but I generally move slower. Anyway, the thoughtfulness of this oppose vote is appreciated and as I said it ain't going to change anyone's world if I am not elected.--BozMo talk 20:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments: First, BigDT, you have made a number of thoughtful comments -- perhaps the best of RfA. I continue to strongly support BozMo, but you make good points (I just weight them differently). Second, BozMo, I disagree with you about RC patrol. Yes, you're not stopping all the schoolkids, but you are one of the two or three most active spam-fighters on all of Wikipedia. And that's definitely vandalism. I don't think admins have an RC pages patrol quota. --A. B. (talk) 21:19, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It is no doubt bad form to reply (I first put this on the user page) but I don't mind and agree with these comments so much I wonder about withdrawing. The only consolation I can offer myself or others is (1) someone very recently pointed out to me about edit summaries, in particular that I could set preferences to self remind about this bad habit which I do now (2) until a few days ago I haven't really hung around recent changes (I guess I am unusual like that), so the vandalism I have generally picked up through "watch" is mainly subtle enough to have got through the RCP and many of the cases were repeated vandalism from roving IPs or school IPS so there didn't seem much point apart from occasional ones (e.g. [36]. Anyway I don't always put remarks on new vandals pages which I agree I should and I have gone back over the recent ones... (3) speedy delete versus AfD I have mixed feelings about. I got a little irritated when the servers had a very slow day and whenever they started working again someone had speedy deleted an article or reflagged for db an article I was starting here: [37]. I am inclined to the view that new articles are so invisible anyway we should give them more of a chance; particularly if they are started by a serious editor. Perhaps if I hung around Recent Changes more I would have a better idea of the scale of the real problem: but I generally move slower. Anyway, the thoughtfulness of this oppose vote is appreciated and as I said it ain't going to change anyone's world if I am not elected.--BozMo talk 20:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose - Mainspace editing is not healthy enough - only 800 mainspace edits the bulk of which are reverts and small tweaks. The other thing is that in the last 6 months there were only a bit over 300. I feel that everybody should have a good and healthy level of work in the day to day encyclopedia before becoming an admin, as administration should revolve around improving article productivity, so having a solid experience is necessary here. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Low number of project-space edits suggests lack of familiarity with wiki-process. Xoloz 18:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose for now but will be willing to support in a couple of months. Good luck. - Tragic Baboon (banana receptacle) 02:21, 21 January 2007 (UTC) Note for closing bureaucrat: at time of voting, user had an account for about 6 days, but approximately 240 edits[reply]
- I'm legit - Tragic Baboon (banana receptacle) 01:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose - way too few edits, and it's simply asking for too much at this point. Applaud his efforts to date, have no reason to doubt the kudos among the supporters, but propose that he have about 2-3 times as many edits before he try again. --Leifern 23:31, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Let me get this straight -- BozMo as of this minute has made 4,812 edits. You want him to have 9,624 to 14,436 edits before he tries again? --A. B. (talk) 23:57, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose too few edits right now. Elizmr 23:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose I can't see how someone with only 900 mainspace edits could have the experience for adminship.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 00:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- And I can't see how mainspace edits are at all relevant to adminship. -Amark moo! 00:51, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose. There are 900 edits to articles since April 2004. SlimVirgin (talk) 01:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Reluctant oppose. not enough edits on article pages. --GHcool 03:16, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose. Far too few mainspace edits. Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 04:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
- Neutral, leaning towards oppose - needs more edits in the mainspace and wikispace. Activity is rather low for an admin candidate. Insanephantom (my Editor Review) 12:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral leaning towards support - more activity is required in admin and policy areas. Contributions to XfD discussions that quote policies and guidelines would also be of service in identifying knowledge of appropriate policies in the circumstances. (aeropagitica) 15:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral per aeropagitica. I am a little uncomfortable with your activity. ← ANAS Talk? 19:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral Defenders make a good case, but there's only been a few months of real activity recently and I still have my concerns. Happy to adjust !vote to neutral in deference to well-reasoned arguments, but not enought to get a Support. --Dweller 20:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral per (aeropagitica). S.D. ¿п? § 12:30, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral A great user, but the low number of mainspace edits leaves me a bit unsure about how you will handle yourself with dispute resolution and other frequent admin tasks. Nishkid64 23:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral per Nishkid64. You're just not ready yet. S h a r k f a c e 2 1 7 01:21, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral Please do reapply when you have a few more edits... IronDuke 03:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral The editors commitment to the WPCD is admirable. However, the contribution of content to the main space is disappointing. It's not so much the edit count, but the general lack of content contribution. No matter how level headed and committed the editor, if they do not have the experience of main space contribution it is unlikely they could truly understand the issues challenging the purpose of this project. As for the spelling issues, the new Firefox includes a spell check feature. Alan.ca 06:55, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The above adminship discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the talk page of either this nomination or the nominated user). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a successful request for adminship. Please do not modify it.
Final (225/2/0); Ended 05:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Newyorkbrad (talk · contribs) – Newyorkbrad has been a regular editor since July, 2006. Since then, Brad has contributed in excess of 5000 edits, well spread across the main spaces.
Brad is an active participant in deletion discussions at XfD where his contributions are always based on a solid policy foundation and common sense. ([38], [39]). Additionally, Brad has been involved in a lot of policy debates and discussions regarding the application of policy. (eg: [40] [41], [42])
An attorney in real life, Brad has shown a particular interest in arbitration, where he discusses cases, presents evidence [43], proposes temporary injunctions [44], findings of fact [45], principles [46], remedies [47], and assists with general maintenance of the arbitration pages. [48]. His work assisting at arbitration would clearly be enhanced with admin tools giving him the ability to review deleted articles and edits and assist with enforcement of injunctions and remedies.
Brad is extremely generous with his expertise, writing and expanding legal articles, including Recusal, Jones Law, and Bureau of Insular Affairs; assisting other editors with legal articles [49], [50] and helping answer legal questions on the reference desk. [51] He has been active in the creation of a series of biographies, including those on US Federal Judges (eg: Peter J. Hamilton, William James Wallace, Frederic Dodge, Hugh H. Bownes).
Always calm, kind and fair, Brad has never even pushed the boundaries of WP:NPA or WP:CIVIL. He takes the time to welcome new editors and looks out for other editors, new [52] and old [53] alike, offering words of encouragement and friendly advice. [54]
He also assists with vandal patrol, where he follows up with the appropriate level warnings from the full range of warning templates (eg: [55], [56], [57], and [58]). When appropriate, Brad reports vandals to WP:AIV ([59], [60]) and also assists administrators with maintenance of AIV.[61]
Brad is an exceptional candidate for adminship. I believe he will make an outstanding administrator and ask the community to support this Request for Adminship. Sarah 01:11, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:
- I would like to thank Sarah for a wonderfully written and kind nomination statement. I also thank several other editors who have urged me to seek adminship. I accept. Newyorkbrad 05:38, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia in this capacity. Please take the time to answer a few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
- 1. What sysop chores do you anticipate helping with? Please check out Category:Wikipedia backlog and Category:Administrative backlog, and read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.
- A: If my candidacy is successful, I would continue as an administrator much of what I have been doing as an editor over the past six months. I'd continue dealing with vandals whom I spot from the articles on my watchlist as well as from reports at WP:AIV, warning when appropriate and blocking when necessary.
- I'd continue participating in discussions on the administrators' noticeboards (WP:AN and ANI), addressing incident reports presented by editors, and raising more complex situations for open discussion and consensus solutions. I would participate in whatever evolves to replace the personal attacks noticeboard (WP:PAIN) and in the somewhat lesser-known forums such as WP:RFI and WP:WQA.
- I also anticipate keeping an eye on blocked users' requests for unblocking. My impression is that many, perhaps most, of these requests are frivolous, but occasionally there is a questionable block or one that hasn't been sufficiently explained, and the blocked user is entitled to a prompt review by an uninvolved administrator and should receive one. Conversely, when the block is valid, confirmation of that opinion by another admin can be reassuring to the blocking admin while reinforcing to the blocked user why his or her conduct was unacceptable.
- I might get involved in addressing some 3RR reports on WP:AN3, a board whose business has historically been handled by just a few admins (more are pitching in lately). I have some ideas for new mechanisms that might make that board a little bit more user-friendly and less confrontational, which I would certainly discuss with the admins with experience on that page and seek consensus support for before trying out.
- I also would help out with WP:AE, the arbitration enforcement board. That can be a very unpleasant place sometimes, and the burden of dealing with some of the project's most intractable situations is being handled right now by a very small number of admins. I'd also feel qualified to work on any backlogs involving bios of living persons and textual copyright issues, which are areas requiring constant administrator attention for the protection both of the project and of third parties whose rights may be involved. Finally, although deletion-closing is not something I presently plan to make a specialty area, I have enough AfD and MfD experience to participate in the admin tasks there is well.
- Although I've described a number of different areas in which I look forward to being involved if my candidacy is successful, I should also add that I plan to pace myself. Within the past couple of weeks, I've seen several highly-regarded admins either resign their sysop privileges or suggest they were thinking of doing so. Stress and burnout for administrators and other contributors is a major problem for the encyclopedia and the community. I plan to avoid that fate and to be here for the long haul, and I hope to work as an administrator to help maintain an environment where others feel the same way.
- Finally, no matter what administrator functions I perform, I intend always to remain a content editor as well and to continue writing, editing, and updating articles.
- 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any with which you are particularly pleased, and why?
- A: Like virtually all editors, I came to Wikipedia originally to write articles. Coming to the project in 2006, I found myself envying those who were here a few years earlier and had the blank pages to work on. I would have loved to write the articles about the 60 Sherlock Holmes stories, or the 79 original Star Trek episodes, or the 14 operettas of Gilbert and Sullivan, but those niches were already taken. So instead, I drew on some real-world expertise and, as Sarah notes, decided to write some biographical pieces on U.S. federal judges. Some of these are still stubbish and pretty basic, but others contain more interesting nuggets of U.S. legal history well-worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia: see for example Martin Manton and Richard J. Daronco, or Peter J. Hamilton and Samuel Mandelbaum. (None of these is, or will be, a featured article, but some could have had DYK mentions if I'd thought to nominate them at the time.) I've also written a few other law-related articles, some of which Sarah has mentioned, and contributed to a variety of miscellaneous topics ranging from the United Nations list of non-self-governing territories to Arthur Yager to Nero Wolfe, the last of which I hope to help make an FA someday. My contributions list and watchlist, like my list of interests in general, can be described as somewhat eclectic.
- As the months have passed, I've found myself spending more time in project space, though I've tried to do that in addition to, rather than instead of, my article-writing and editing. Relatively early in my Wiki-career, I did my best to assist in resolving a particularly contentious and difficult situation that was dividing the community, although unfortunately I don't see a lot of evidence at the moment that I succeeded. I hope that I've made positive contributions by participating in problem-solving on the noticeboards, and by workshopping a number of ArbCom cases, and by commenting on some RfCs. My focus has been on trying to resolve issues and find a positive way forward for everyone where that is reasonably possible.
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A: My mainspace editing has not involved me in any serious controversies that I can recall. I've had some of my edits to various articles reverted (ever since my first edit as an anon, which was reverted within 2 minutes of my posting it, but stuck when I posted again with more detail in the edit and the edit summary). One particular reversion of a copyedit I did, a reversion accompanied by an edit summary along the lines of "these changes aren't very good," still rankles a little, but I reread my edit again a few minutes ago and my critic was probably right. Candidly, some of my articles probably haven't had any readership at all yet, much less drawn readers interested enough in the contents to edit-war over them.
- I've been involved in more controversy in Wikipedia space. Commenting on contentious discussions on the noticeboards, or on proposed and pending arbitration cases, by definition puts one into the middle of a dispute, although I've generally tried to be a problem-solver rather than a disputant. (As a particularly silly recent example, I think I may have kept the "Santa Claus Wheel War" out of arbitration. Don't even ask....)
- I've certainly been called a few choice names, sometimes by soon-to-be-banned trolls or problem users, but a couple of times by experienced Wikipedians I respect. I won't pretend that doesn't sting, especially in a project where I felt at home from the outset of my involvement largely because of its ethos of civility and addressing the merits of issues without personal attacks. But given that in "real life" I'm a corporate litigation attorney in Manhattan, I have to say that I've been called worse.
- General comments
- Strong Support One of the project's best and long overdue for the mop. If we had more admins like him, there would be a lot less wiki-drama on the project. 205.157.110.11 01:50, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- See Newyorkbrad's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.
Discussion
Support
- Strong Support in lieu of co-nomination. I love this user. He will be the kind of thoughtful, mature, friendly, helpful sysop we need. I enjoy reading his opinions all over this project, and absolutely trust his judgment. Ms. Ewart covered the subject perfectly. I couldn't support more strongly. - crz crztalk 05:33, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Cyde Weys 05:39, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Not fair voting before it opens, you cheaters. -Amarkov blahedits 05:40, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- That was a surprise, I thought you were one a long time ago! Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 05:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. G.He 05:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, absolutely. I've never experienced so many edit conflicts because of people rushing to support an RfA. It bodes well. · j e r s y k o talk · 05:43, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support alphachimp 05:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- About time — Lost(talk) 05:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support need I say any more? James086Talk | Contribs 05:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support. No problems, excellent answers to questions. Insanephantom (my Editor Review) 05:53, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, excellent editor. Seraphimblade 05:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Super-strong Support - unbelievable level of involvement. --BigDT 05:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes Naconkantari 06:00, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- About time Jaranda wat's sup 06:02, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Automated Support. Dragons flight is on vacation, but he thinks Brad is a great guy who deserves the mop. Of course, Brad is also an idiot who didn't realize he was already a better candidate than most three months ago. Not only that, but he has the nerve to run only after his would be nominator goes on vacation. Those evident errors in judgment aside, Brad has already been a calm, rational and articulate contributor to important discussions at ANI and many other places, and if he is going to act that much like a sensible admin, it is about time we make him one. DFBot 06:02, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I thought you already were an admin. -- Gogo Dodo 06:04, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It's-about-time support Opabinia regalis 06:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support --Durin 06:10, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support My encounter with him, in which he presented impeccable evidence (as mentioned by Sarah [62]) and helped me with his feeback was entirely positive. — Sebastian 06:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Best candidate in a long time.--MONGO 06:40, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support absolutely -- Samir धर्म 06:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support (as nominator). Sarah 06:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Foregone conclusion support per nominator, Brad is the best-qualified admin candidate I have seen at RfA since I arrived :) Daniel.Bryant [ T · C ] 06:53, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong support, he deserves it. --tjstrf talk 07:04, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Sure. Kusma (討論) 07:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong support. I first noticed Newyorkbrad in the Konstable arbcom case, and I was most impressed with his comments there. If I have any criticism of him, it's that he failed to give me the opportunity to vote for him in last month's Arbcom election.-gadfium 07:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- "$RFA_CLICHE_1" --Slowking Man 07:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, long-expected nomination. MaxSem 08:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support If he's not promoted after this RFA, that would be a crime. Scobell302 08:27, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Had this on my watchlist. :) -- Renesis (talk) 08:33, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - RFA cliché number 1. Moreschi Deletion! 08:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Positively. Per everyone above. Grandmasterka 09:15, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support as per all above Bwithh 09:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Of course. One of our best. Gzkn 09:25, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Christopher Parham (talk) 09:27, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong, strong,strong,strong,strong,strong,strong,strong,strong,strong,strong,strong,strong,strong,storon Support as someone who got refused earlier as a nominator. JorcogaYell! 09:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- thought he was one already! thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 09:51, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support on a long anticipated nomination. Agent 86 10:42, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support – has very good judgment. ×Meegs 10:55, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong support of course.... --Majorly 11:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Definitely yes. Angus McLellan (Talk) 11:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - excellent editor, will make excellent admin. The Rambling Man 11:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support not already? Agathoclea 11:43, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, wasn't he one? Terence Ong 12:12, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, unconditional. Never seen this guy make a bad move. Bubba hotep 12:35, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, not before time, has shown himself to be a true asset to Wikipedia. --Kind Regards - Heligoland (Talk) (Contribs) 12:55, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm Mailer Diablo and I approve this message! - 13:04, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Absodamnlutely. -- Kicking222 13:11, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- About bloody time. -- Steel 13:15, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Rettetast
- Support, an outstanding candidate. --Muchness 13:43, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. —S.D. ¿п? 13:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Suport, most definitely.--Isotope23 13:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Absolutely, very strong support, this user is perfect adminship candidate. — Nearly Headless Nick 14:00, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- SuportGreat editor.--HIZKIAH (User • Talk) 14:09, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, well goodness yes, he is a far more than capable candidate! -- Natalya 14:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Clearly. —Wknight94 (talk) 14:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support. Great candidate.--Grand Slam 7 | Talk 14:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong support how is it possible you are not an admin already? I'd just assumed you were. Its hard to imagine a better candidate. Gwernol 15:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support without doubt. Trebor 15:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Aye. – Chacor 15:10, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- What do you mean you're not already an admin? --InShaneee 15:13, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong support. I smell a new top candidate for WP:100#Requests for adminship:. :) --Conti|✉ 15:30, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- He followed the route to get to an all time record that I mentioned here. NoSeptember 16:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
- Support Terrific candidate. Squeezeweasel 15:47, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support Hell yes! --Húsönd 15:58, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Happy to support this application - an excellent editor! (aeropagitica) 16:00, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support It's such an over used cliche, so I'm sorry. I thought he was one. He should be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthony.bradbury (talk • contribs)
- Comment sorry - I apologise for not signing. I had a bad day.--Anthony.bradbury 01:54, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support Already helps out with everything admin-ly, could definately help further and is a great and trusted editor. Cbrown1023 16:42, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support. Is already an admin in all but the tools. Should have had an RfA months ago. WJBscribe (WJB talk) 16:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support. I have been waiting for this, and I am sure many others have been as well. RyanGerbil10(Упражнение В!) 17:08, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I have always thought of Newyorkbrad as an admin :). Seriously the answers to the questions are excellent and as an admin he will do us proud! Arjun 17:11, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Fantastic answers, great contribs, loads of experience...it's hard to believe he didn't already have a mop. Ganfon 17:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Mackensen (talk) 17:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. A voice of reason and moderation in many heated debates and conflicts, especially on AN/I and RFAR. You'll make a fine admin. WP:PERF aside, please don't give everybody who supports you a thankyou note - you might crash a server or something. Picaroon 17:51, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Pile-on support. A welcome source of insights and clear thinking, as so many people have mentioned above. FreplySpang 17:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- So much support that I had this page on my watchlist before it was created. --TeckWizTalkContribs@ 18:04, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- As much as I hate to pile-on, I'm gunna go ahead and support this as well. Friday (talk) 18:15, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I know i've seen him around. Dejavu should count for something. Just H 18:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support A great choice! -- Avi 18:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for not going through RfA earlierStrong pile-on support per everyone else. --210physicq (c) 19:15, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Support. Let's just say that, for obvious reasons, this isn't really one of my hardest choices ever on Wikipedia. Sandstein 19:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support Definitely one of the best candidates we've seen in a while. Great catch Sarah! Impressive answers. ← ANAS Talk? 19:59, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Per the many reasons above. SuperMachine 20:25, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. A voice of reason with plenty of relevant experience--ragesoss 20:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. I thought Newyorkbrad was an admin already! When I get to that stage, I know they should be "promoted". Yuser31415 20:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Good user whom I trust with adminship.--Jersey Devil 20:58, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Good user; I've seen him do fine work in arbitration cases, and I trust his judgment. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 21:15, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support Already thought he was an admin. He definately deserves it. S h a r k f a c e 2 1 7 21:20, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support a good candidate --Steve (Slf67) talk 21:50, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Great editor who's likely to be an even better admin. AuburnPilottalk 22:08, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support All right NYB! Get on it! Dfrg.msc 1 . 2 . Editor Review 22:25, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support An admin needs to be a person you can disagree with and still be productive, NYB qualifies in that regard. Experience is enough, would be a benefit. HighInBC (Need help? Ask me) 22:39, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Aww...I wanted to co-nom. =( Nishkid64 00:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Singopo 00:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Khoikhoi 00:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Huzzah. Snoutwood 00:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Choess 00:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. –Llama mansign here 01:30, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, of course. A great editor -- Selmo (talk) 01:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I could not believe it when I saw NYBrad's name at the top of RfA at last. Prodego talk 01:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Based on nom alone I support, though it is not the only reason why. To be honest I've very little interaction with Newyorkbrad, if any at all, mostly just from reading discussions around the Wiki. NYB always seems to comment with common sense, and with that applied to the extra tools, I think he'll make a fantastic admin. KOS | talk 02:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - I've encountered this candidate many times over the past few months, and found his contributions to discussions to be excellent. He would use the tools well in my opinion, and can be trusted with them. He also showed admirable restraint under pressure to accept earlier offers of nominations. Carcharoth 02:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Michael Snow 03:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Excellent candidate; glad to add to the landslide in this case, as the candidate deserves overwhelming support! :) Xoloz 03:10, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. I've seen him all over Wikipedia doing good work. Thought he already was one? Dragomiloff 03:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Flcelloguy (A note?) 03:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Michael 04:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Holy Shit. I just have to say, that's A LOT of support so quickly!!! Imageboy1 04:16, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Duh. - Merzbow 04:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. A voice of moderation and reason. Responsible handling of the tools more than likely. Happy to support. Sjakkalle (Check!) 07:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Pile it on Another 100 Wikipedians support vote... --Dweller 09:34, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. --Slgrandson (page - messages - contribs) 10:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, absolutely. Deizio talk 11:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support a truly excellent candidate. What took so long?--Kchase T 11:40, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- A strong 1 - Absolutely deserved. -- Szvest - Wiki me up ® 12:36, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- semper fi — Moe 13:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Awwww, I wanted to be the #100... >Radiant< 14:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Good contributions, proud to support this great candidate. Hello32020 15:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support of course. This is one of the easiest calls I've made in recent times. Guy (Help!) 15:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - because of what I could understand in their response to question one, was really high quality. But in all seriousness, what this person has done is incredible. --Daniel()Folsom T|C|U 15:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Go rogue and I track you down, though. d;-) --badlydrawnjeff talk 16:31, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support absolutely excellent contributor.-- danntm T C 16:35, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support per nom, crz, etc. Eluchil404 16:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support as he will (undoubtedly) use his legal expertise and experience in executing his responsibilities as admin. − Twas Now 17:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong support. the wub "?!" 18:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- SupportAminz 18:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strongest ever support - quite possibly the best mediator on Wikipedia and a phenomenal editor as well. —Mets501 (talk) 20:35, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support It will change you. --Docg 20:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak support. I'm never crazy abotu more user talk edits then mainspace, but I'd also be crazy to oppose.--Wizardman 20:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Appears rational and fair. -Will Beback · † · 21:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support. To quote someone else from another Request for Adminship (dunno which one), why the heck isn't he an admin already? Also, can we invoke the WP:SNOW clause here? Look at the vote majority for my reasoning. Nwwaew (Talk Page) (Contribs) (E-mail me) 21:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. hmm. opposite of WP:SNOW here? I mean, nearly 40kb support, let's end this before we get WP:200 or something. --tennisman sign here! 21:57, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. In my time here I've seen this user pop up all over the project. Newyorkbrad is a very involved editor who consistently exercises good judgment and sound reasoning. My pleasure to support. – Lantoka (talk) 00:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. I've liked what I've seen so far. Musical Linguist 01:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Wow. Amazing. Alex43223 Talk | Contribs | E-mail | C 01:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Perfunctory support, because although I'm impressed by this editor, he's got quite a lot of support already. DS 01:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per all above. --Aude (talk) 03:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Carpet9 04:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Patstuarttalk|edits 04:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I thought I thaw a puddy-cat... I think I'm drunk. Rama's arrow 04:56, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support DVD+ R/W 04:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Better mainspace record than I had (or have). Thatcher131 05:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Joe I 06:06, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- as has been said elsewhere, provides a much needed "voice of reason", and is level headed. - Longhair\talk 08:12, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- I don't usually vote in RFA's when the outcome is a foregone conclusion. However, I'm making an exception in this case because I want to add my support because I have seen NewYorkBrad's level-headed "voice of reason" in action in the Carnildo RFA and Giano II RFARB. He'll be a great admin and should be a bureaucrat too. --Richard 08:30, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Not that much needs to be said that hasn't, but NewYorkBrad's balanced edits are welcome, and I really think NewYorkBrad has a good handle on what to do with admin powers. --Matthew 08:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support --thunderboltz(Deepu) 09:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Absolutely. Seen nothing but levelheadedness and reason out of this user. — TKD::Talk 10:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Unnecessary Support. Will make a good editor. yandman 11:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support. Oh, yes, yes. Oh, yes, yes. Thincat 12:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support --♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ Walkie-talkie 12:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. A valuable and dedicated Wikipedian both online and IRL. Kafziel Talk 13:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. While I normally resist "pile on", this seems a worthy exception. Duja► 14:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support missed getting in on this early... I don't always agree with him but he will add immense value. ++Lar: t/c 15:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Wikipedia, unlike the rest of the world, needs more lawyers. Proto::► 15:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong support - Just adding a little snow to the snowball.:)NinaOdell | Talk 16:05, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support A highly familiar name around Wikipedia. A very good candidate, AFAIK the first one I've ever voted for (I thought he was an admin already). --Folantin 16:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support --Connel MacKenzie - wikt 16:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Looks like a good candidate. Jayjg (talk) 17:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support; another one I trust; adding to the pile-on. Nice work so far and please keep it up as an admin. Antandrus (talk) 17:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, as someone who offered to nominate Brad months ago. I've been consistently impressed with his level of discourse, and to learn that he's a lawyer does not surprise me in the slightest. Would definitely be an asset to the project with more tools at his disposal. To paraphrase what he told me back in November, No one racks up a 1XX-X !vote count who doesn't thoroughly deserve it. -- nae'blis 17:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support as he'll no doubt use the tools
to further the goals of the Brad-prefix cabalfor awesome. --Brad Beattie (talk) 18:35, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply] - Support. Top quality editor who will be a top quality admin. -- Satori Son 18:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support Great editor, I have continued to be impressed by Brad in his work here, and I'm sure he'll make a fantastic admin. Best of luck :) Thε Halo Θ 19:17, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Redundant Hell yeah support. --Spartaz 19:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, he has been the "voice of reason" in several policy discussions that I have been involved in. I thought he was an admin already! 6SJ7 20:14, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- SupportI honestly thought this had been done already.--CJ King 20:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support It's a pleasure to support you! You'll make a fine admin! *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 21:19, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support obviously. Bucketsofg 21:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Yes Sir! JungleCat Shiny!/Oohhh! 23:48, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - not likely to misuse tools. Badbilltucker 01:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Bradsupport 2 ~ trialsanderrors 01:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support for great justice. Yanksox 02:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support All your mops belong to us. Georgewilliamherbert 02:50, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I've come across him a few times, and he seems reasonable and level headed. ATren 02:52, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Dedicated and level-headed. --Srikeit 11:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong support, a very worthwhile candidate. ViridaeTalk 11:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong support - Aksi_great (talk) 12:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Impressive contributions. We could always use more lawyers with mops :) Fvasconcellos 12:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support of course. A voice of reason on WP:AN and WP:AN/I for the last few months. Fram 12:52, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. The only time I have ever questioned Brad's judgment was when he refused to run for ArbComm. ;-) He's so effective as a non-admin that I have a slight concern that he should spend more time doing what he is already doing and not too much time mopping, but I am absolutely sure he will mop well. TheronJ 15:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Have seen a number of positive contributions from this user, and no negative ones. IronDuke 16:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- obviously a trusted user. Jkelly 20:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - with Newyorkbrad's well-rounded experience and thoughtfulness, he will make an outstanding admin and presently deserves a good run at WP:200. -- Jreferee 20:49, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, very good editor. --Carioca 20:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. SynergeticMaggot 22:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Hbdragon88 23:59, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Useful and thoughtful contributions at deletion review. GRBerry 01:16, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support level headed user, would make a great admin.--KonstableSock 03:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, less mainstream contributions than my standards but what the heck, he is a good guy. Lets see another 200s Alex Bakharev 06:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Kind of pointless piling on, but can't let this go by without registering a !vote. The tools were made for this guy. Rockpocket 09:01, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support In under 200 with the "Thought he was one." Hipocrite - «Talk» 12:39, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Brad brings polite well reasoned opinions to all debates he participates in. Occasionally a bit too bogged down in policy/process, though in the best possible way - if _all_ admins were like Brad, WP might be overly legalistic, but to get _more_ admins like Brad is a good thing. Martinp 12:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per excellent work at AFD and DRV. Every reason to believe Brad would make an excellent admin. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:37, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- SupportWill be a great admin. •CHILLDOUBT• 17:13, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I generally don't voice an opinion on an Rfa unless my !vote will be of some effect; however I am breaking that practice now: of course I strongly support Newyorkbrad for adminship, or I would not be supporting - but the reason I'm adding my name to this Rfa is quite frankly the shallow reason that it looks like a possible candidate for breaking 200 supports, and I cannot think of anyone better deserving of having that little feather in his cap. KillerChihuahua?!? 16:31, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Hiding Talk 17:27, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support. I agree with the comments made in the nomination. Newyorkbrad is an excellent editor and will be an asset as an administrator. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Pile-on time! I like what I've seen of his work. -- Donald Albury 17:46, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong support I waited this whole freakin' time to offer WP:200 support just to get edged out by Dalbury?? It's probably time to ban him in order that we might strike out his vote... Joe 18:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong support I'm shocked that he wasn't already an admin. I've always found him an excellent editor with a cool head and strong dispute resolution skills. The only problem I foresee is that he's gonna have a tough time thanking all these support voters! I support this RfA without hesitation. Enjoy the mop. --TheOtherBob 22:39, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wait-wait-I-can't-believe-I'm-so-late-to-this-RfA-support. Extraordinarily helpful, knowledgeable, and coolheaded. —bbatsell ¿? 23:37, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- El_C 01:33, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Thought he already was one. 1ne 04:26, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I thought he was, too.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 08:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support for being an intelligent, mature lawyer-man who is actually paid (in the real world) to deal with people; he should do fine here. ★MESSEDROCKER★ 11:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. One of those you just assumed was already an admin. --StuffOfInterest 12:37, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wanted to be a co-nom/Why didn't anyone tell me Support. I asked him way back in October [63] - but I guess that was lost in the crowd. Ah, I guess that's how you find out who your real friends are! :-) Where he really belongs is the arbcom, frankly, but this is an important step there. AnonEMouse (squeak) 17:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -- DS1953 talk 19:26, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support It is time to give him the mop. --Siva1979Talk to me 01:35, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- [Insert expletive here] yeah! support --Mr. Lefty (talk) 02:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per nom. --A. B. (talk) 03:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Pro forma support. This editor obviously doesn't need an additional support !vote, but I would be utterly remiss if I didn't weigh in here. Well done! TenOfAllTrades(talk) 10:41, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I think we could use more help with mopping, I'll give my support. Gryffindor 12:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per nom. Modernist 13:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Pile-on support. A worthy addition to the cadre of admins. Coemgenus 17:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikibreak support. —Doug Bell talk 18:49, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support always a level head, open to debate and a thoughtful force. --Mcginnly | Natter 22:30, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Petr K 23:17, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - closing day support because I like a big number next to my name ;). NoSeptember 00:21, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Ridiculous pileon, I know, but I really like what I have seen of this user's work. --Danaman5 03:11, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - PeaceNT (Talk | contribs) 04:26, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support because Aranda made me do it. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 04:37, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wholly unnecessary, I know, but I cannot believe I hadn't seen this before. I cannot just stand by without supporting an excellent, calm, reasonable user with an admirable, almost enviable, knowledge of policy. Strong support. Titoxd(?!?) 05:31, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
- Oppose - Despite this user being a voice of reason in many backroom debates, having more wikipedia namespace edits than mainspace edits seems lopsided to me. Catchpole 19:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- That's interesting. It's not particularly lopsided (1375 mainspace against 1727, plus 1466 edits to User talk); to me it suggests balance. Mackensen (talk) 20:59, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Percentage-wise, out of the total sum of those three numbers above, the article namespace vs project namespace vs user talk appear as 30%, 38%, 32%. That's almost as balanced as one can get I'd say, unless you try to balance things on purpose.
- Besides, this discussion is not about one's editorial contributions, but rather about whether the given candidate can be trusted with the janitorial tools, so a slight bias towards the Wikipedia namespace would actually be a good sign I would think. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 22:13, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Incredible to oppose with such a balanced scorecard, worth another look? The Rambling Man 22:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I know your all a little miffed at this !vote but replying to individuals opposing only creates bad feeling on any RfA and the last thing we want is pile on opposes relating to the conduct of supporters here. Adminship is no big deal, so let's stop with making !voters feel it is in the way we respond to Supports and Opposes when they go against our thoughts. --Kind Regards - Heligoland (Talk) (Contribs) 00:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- A less extreme version of my editcount, which is is in turn a less extreme version of Essjay's. ;-) Prodego talk 01:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- In fairness, I believe that admin's post counts skew projectward as a part of the nature of their work, after they get the mop and bucket. If you're speaking of your edit count at the time you were adminned, I apologize for the confusion. -- nae'blis 17:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- A less extreme version of my editcount, which is is in turn a less extreme version of Essjay's. ;-) Prodego talk 01:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I know your all a little miffed at this !vote but replying to individuals opposing only creates bad feeling on any RfA and the last thing we want is pile on opposes relating to the conduct of supporters here. Adminship is no big deal, so let's stop with making !voters feel it is in the way we respond to Supports and Opposes when they go against our thoughts. --Kind Regards - Heligoland (Talk) (Contribs) 00:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- That's interesting. It's not particularly lopsided (1375 mainspace against 1727, plus 1466 edits to User talk); to me it suggests balance. Mackensen (talk) 20:59, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose A contributor since July 2006, doesn't seem like enough time for me to evaluate someone getting the tools. People change with seasons and I think more time is needed. Alan.ca 08:30, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You honestly think that six months isn't long enough? Geez. How long are you looking for? --Cyde Weys 15:33, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Four seasons, I assume? (Which around here could be about 20 minutes.) Alai 16:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- That would be a reasonably valid reason if this were a teenager we were talking about, but adults rarely have major personality shifts. --tjstrf talk 08:42, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I would like to see a year of service as a minimum. Adults do vary with the seasons, in fact, there is a mental illness known as seasonal affective disorder. I'm not suggesting this candidate suffers from a mental illness, but that I would feel more comfortable if he had been involved here for at least one year. Alan.ca 18:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Alan, a minimum of one year is a rather curious arbitrary requirement given that less than a month ago you nominated a candidate who had only been editing regularly for about three months. Consistency perhaps? Also, I think it is inappropriate to be alluding to mental health issues in the middle of someone's RfA. Sarah 01:09, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I would like to see a year of service as a minimum. Adults do vary with the seasons, in fact, there is a mental illness known as seasonal affective disorder. I'm not suggesting this candidate suffers from a mental illness, but that I would feel more comfortable if he had been involved here for at least one year. Alan.ca 18:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- That would be a reasonably valid reason if this were a teenager we were talking about, but adults rarely have major personality shifts. --tjstrf talk 08:42, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Four seasons, I assume? (Which around here could be about 20 minutes.) Alai 16:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You honestly think that six months isn't long enough? Geez. How long are you looking for? --Cyde Weys 15:33, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- In the case of the previous RFA I had found the editor helpful and their review seemed to be well handled. However, during the RFA for Seraphimblade, I came to realize that it was too soon and he withdrew his RFA. The mental health point was made to illustrate that it takes time to get to know a person. Alan.ca 04:44, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Alan, although I voted "support", I just want to let you know that I respect your decision to do the inconvenient thing to vote your conscience. I particularly like your reply to Sarah's question which shows that you, too, give some thought to self-improvement. — Sebastian 17:57, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- In the case of the previous RFA I had found the editor helpful and their review seemed to be well handled. However, during the RFA for Seraphimblade, I came to realize that it was too soon and he withdrew his RFA. The mental health point was made to illustrate that it takes time to get to know a person. Alan.ca 04:44, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Neutral for now. I'm actually not crazy about the balanse between main, wiki, and user talk. The fact that the user talk edits are higher thanthe mainspace actually keeps me from supporting. I'll look at your RfA more closely to see if I can change my mind.--Wizardman 17:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)And I did change my vote even though that's not the best kind of edit count imo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wizardman (talk • contribs) [reply]
- The above adminship discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the talk page of either this nomination or the nominated user). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a successful request for adminship. Please do not modify it.
Final (61/1/0); Ended 04:30, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
BradBeattie (talk · contribs) – It is my pleasure to nominate Brad Beattie for adminship. Brad has been editing since April 2005, and has been active for about four months. He started and helped get 0.999... to FA status, does a lot of work sifting through non-notable webcomics, and sorts the expert requests. He has also contributed many beautiful photos. Most impressive, in my mind, is his creation of WikiGuard for Mac OS X, which he uses to fight vandals. His first RfA was back in October, and I think he has addressed all concerns expressed there. He has 6000+ edits, about half of them to main space. In sum, I find him civil, helpful, knowledgeable of Wiki policy, and certainly ready for adminship. --Fang Aili talk 22:20, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:
- With a tip of my hat to Fang Aili, I accept. --Brad Beattie (talk) 22:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia in this capacity. Please take the time to answer a few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
- 1. What sysop chores do you anticipate helping with? Please check out Category:Wikipedia backlog and Category:Administrative backlog, and read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.
- A: As Fang pointed out, one of my primary efforts has been in vandal fighting. While administrative access isn't necessary for the task, it certainly makes it a little easier. As a non-admin, the only time I look at WP:AIV is when I have a consistent vandal to report. However, I suspect that with the mop I'd be watching that page far more often for reports by other users.
- I've also been contributing the the deletion processes, primarily in WP:AFD with occasional visits to new page patrolling and (admittedly much less regularly) to the other WP:XFDs. I've noticed that CAT:SPEEDY and CAT:PROD seem need help fairly often, which I'd be willing to offer.
- Ultimately it's a matter of working in the best interests of Wikipedia and its community. I've certainly made a mistake here and there, but I've made efforts to learn from them. If there's anything I can do to improve what we have here, I'd like to do it. I'm sure most Wikipedians feel the same way. :)
- 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any with which you are particularly pleased, and why?
- A: While I didn't actively participate in the article past a certain point, I helped birth 0.999.... The article had discussions on its separation from recurring decimal, frequent arguments over the mathematical validity of the subject, and how best to present the subject to the intended audience. I was pleasantly surprised when I was informed that the article reached FA status, although that focus has seemed to bring many more arguments over the subject matter.
- I've also been trying to find articles that lack photos, going to said ___location and taking a couple shots. It's relatively easy to do and adds to the visual quality of articles. If, for example, you had a desire to know what Kemari looks like, you can.
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A: Dealing with vandalism, there is the occasional anonymous user that reacts maliciously to even something as light as {{test}}. I wouldn't say that it causes me stress as nothing is truly destroyed in their acts. If anything, it just takes 5 minutes or so to reach civility, for the user to stop contributing, or for the user to be blocked. Obviously civil contributions are the best outcome of the three, which is why it's important to warn appropriately.
- Another source of conflict I've run into is in AFD discussions. As per my webcomic cleanup records, I've nominated a fair number of comics for deletion. There are a few cases where I was in the wrong and in those cases I've gladly stepped back and learned something. However, these discussions occasionally lead to people being uncivil and forgetting to assume good faith, which are two of the most important things.
- I wouldn't say I've ever really been stressed out by my efforts here. We're all working to a common goal and while we might disagree on the finer points of what that entails, I think that stepping back and looking at the larger picture puts things into perspective. It's all good.
- General comments
- See BradBeattie's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.
Discussion
Support
- Support as nominator. --Fang Aili talk 22:20, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support --M1ss1ontomars2k4 (T | C | @) 22:35, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Deespite this, I'm willing to support for now, though this one of those RfA's i'm gonna have to really look at.--Wizardman 22:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support --Majorly 22:55, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, assuming that you don't start flaming the first person who opposes. That rarely happens with anyone who actually gets !votes before being delisted, so I'm not worried. :) -Amarkov blahedits 23:01, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 23:05, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Great contribs, great answers to the questions, simply is admin. material. Ganfon 23:11, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Bumped into Brad a couple of times, always a good experience, and judging by his contributions, particuarly with vandal-whacking, I see no reason why he shouldn't get the tools. The Rambling Man 23:20, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - participation in XfD debates is always good; quantity of minor edits shows that the user is aiming for benefit of the encyclopedia, not his own editcount and ego. Always civil and well-mannered, and has excellent answers to the questions above. Finally, participation in the Admin-Coaching program shows a clear acceptance to learn as an editor and as an administrator. Although I'd like to see some participation in Peer Review or Editor Review, excellent progress has been made on the encyclopedia and the user is finally ready - in my opinion - for the janitor's trolley. Regards, Anthonycfc [T • C] 23:21, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Everything looks good. Tennis DyNamiTe (sign here) 23:37, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I think that Brad has answered all of the issues that I raised at his last RfA regarding knowledge of policies and guidelines and warning vandals when countering their efforts. Happy to support. (aeropagitica) 23:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - good answers to questions, good candidate overall. Insanephantom (my Editor Review) 23:52, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Cbrown1023 00:08, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. bibliomaniac15 00:13, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support-Good answers, good user. --TeckWizTalkContribs@ 00:26, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per
having username Bradexcellent contributions and answers, and demonstrated ability to learn from comments in the prior RfA and meaningfully address all the concerns raised. Newyorkbrad 00:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply] - Support I've seen BradBeattie around quite often editing in a variety of fields on Wikipedia as well as being a vandal patroller. I am quite sure that he will not abuse the tools.¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 00:48, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Already thought you were an Admin. S h a r k f a c e 2 1 7 01:39, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Candidate has my support. SD31415 (SIGN HERE) 03:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support everything seems in order. James086Talk | Contribs 03:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support. --Extranet (Talk | Contribs) 04:03, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Joe I 05:34, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- - crz crztalk 05:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support as per above Bwithh 09:19, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Interupting my wikibreak Support Glen 11:26, January 14, 2007 (UTC)
- Support Terence Ong 12:13, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm Mailer Diablo and I approve this message! - 13:02, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Rettetast
- Support no reason not to. ← ANAS Talk? 20:08, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support.--HIZKIAH (User • Talk) 20:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support :) Yuser31415 20:53, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- With a tip of my deerstalker hat, I support this user. Nishkid64 00:10, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support a good candidate, for wading though those obscure web comics. --Steve (Slf67) talk 01:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support WOW Cuzz, this is a good track record. Imageboy1 04:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- — Nearly Headless Nick 10:35, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Yup JorcogaYell! 12:37, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks reasonable enough. >Radiant< 14:32, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, since he made an OS X Wiki tool (finally!) and helped write one of my favorite articles (0.999...). Plus he isn't too bad. -- Chris is me (u/c/t) 16:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support good all-around user.-- danntm T C 16:31, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Humble user with nothing but the best intentions in mind. -- HarrisX 17:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- No-cliche-Here Support --tennisman sign here! 21:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Has helped many fight vandalism better with wikiguard. He also is a very friendly editor. No question that he would make a good admin. --Sir James Paul, La gloria è a dio 01:12, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per nom − Twas Now 04:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Special Support for a user who helped save an FA from the jaws of the deletion log. --Slgrandson (page - messages - contribs) 07:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Good work. Will be a good admin. Antandrus (talk) 17:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Looks like a strong candidate and I always feel warmly towards those who remove vandalism from my UserPage. WJBscribe (WJB talk) 17:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support.--MariusM 20:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Bradsupport 1 ~ trialsanderrors 01:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. SynergeticMaggot 22:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Impressive article work, very reasonable. Christopher Parham (talk) 23:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Seems like a great candidate based on his contributions and responses above. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:36, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. I just like the cut of his jib. --Kind Regards - Heligoland 02:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. I have only good things to say about this editor. Dekimasu 08:40, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Sarah 09:34, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I particularily enjoyed reading 0.999..., and as far as I can tell from 20mins of research through your talk page/contribs, I see no reason not to give you the mop. Good luck! Daniel.Bryant 13:18, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support No problems here. A good editor. --Siva1979Talk to me 01:34, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Looks like a decent editor to me. IronDuke 03:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per nom. --A. B. (talk) 03:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. PeaceNT (Talk | contribs) 16:35, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. —bbatsell ¿? 19:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Great answers to questions, and seems to have improved.--CJ King 23:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
- OpposeCylonhunter 14:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- User's 16th edit. Take with pinch of salt, especially without a reason, imo. – Chacor 14:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
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Final (56/12/3); Ended Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:09:51 UTC
- (Note: some time after the RFA had closed, it was noticed that contributors Taxwoman diff, Runcorn diff, Brownlee diff, Osidge diff, R613vlu diff and Holdenhurst diff, were each sockpuppets of Runcorn. This was established in May 2007. The tally without these would have been 56/7/3.)
FT2 (talk · contribs) – I came across FT2 only a few weeks ago, while collaborating on a policy page. It was one of these cases in which you find a Wikipedian that cares about the project, does not mince words, is proactive in finding common ground with others, does not hesitate to give credit to his fellow editors when due, and you wish you could came across more like him.
It picked my curiosity and checked FT2's work in our project and was quite impressed. I would say that with over 14K edits and almost 2K edits in the Wikipedia namespace, this user is not only a well-rounded editor, but one that understand policy and helps shape it.
FT2 has an excellent grasp of our dispute resolution process and is not shy in getting his hands dirty and jumping in to lend a hand in controversial articles (those that many editors avoid like a plague.) See his list of project contributions. FT2 is also a member of the Wikipedia:Neutrality_Project.
A Wikipedian since July 2004, FT2 deserves the support of the community to become a sysop.
Note: FT2 withdrew a self-nomination back on June 20, 2006, given concerns expressed about lack of use of edit summaries, an issue that he took to heart since then. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 16:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:
- Nomination accepted, and thanks to Jossi for the kind words. FT2 (Talk | email) 22:58, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia in this capacity. Please take the time to answer a few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
- 1. What sysop chores do you anticipate helping with? Please check out Category:Wikipedia backlog and Category:Administrative backlog, and read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.
A: My main interest is to help the project run smoothly. That means, from an editors' point of view that if some tools are limited in access, then requests for help get attended to quickly when asked. As mentioned to the nominator: - "It'd help a lot with the vandalism and protection/unprotection requests I have to ask others to do right now, and probably let me be more involved in deletion/undeletion work. Mostly though, it'd mean that when something's not right, or a problem's reported that needs admin type work, it'd be possible to help rather than just agree its not right and dump it on someone else to do it."
- Cite from original self-nom:
- "[T]here's times users want a hand, when it's not running smoothly or there's problems, and I'd like to have it in my ability to be more responsive, if the help they need requires protection or short term blocks, or faster response to vandalism. That [kind of situation] turns a lot of editors off, so anything that makes editing less antagonistic, is probably a good thing. In between times I'm sure there will be a lot of housework - deletions, undeletions... I'm not expecting to be using admin tools all the time. But the few times it's appropriate, and other things have failed, it's often nice to be able to help, instead of just tell people to post a request and seek help from others."
I'd anticipate helping with dispute and disruption type chores, the kind which frustrate well-meaning editors and provoke spiralling problems - 3RR, vandalism, RFPP, deletion type matters such as CSD and AFD, things like persistent personal attacks that sometimes happen in edit warring where level headed calmness can often help calm things down, and so on. I've been helping with such chores as far as my current access allows, in general with good results. I've also spent considerable time cleaning up after vandal socks of blocked users and had to pass the mop to others on the follow-up actions.
Additionally, checking the admin backlog, I'd definitely wish to be accessible to editors looking for admin help over possible sock issues, as thats something that is often messy, very disruptive, heavily discourages good editors, is instrumental in many conflicts, and which I've got a lot of experience at doing already. (Note: Some cases might not be possible to fully check out without further RFCU, an access which isn't widely available for good reasons.) I might well watchlist that page for requests. Is there a "suspected sock page patrol"?
Separately, I don't know how genuine the need is, but if approved, count me in on Wikipedia:Admins willing to make difficult blocks; I don't know how much it's a genuine problem, but if it is, then I'm on the list on principle to discuss/lay out/action such matters carefully and neutrally as needed -- and draw a line on (un)acceptable conduct where needed. There's nothing as wrong as causing well-intending people to be apprehensive of doing the Right Thing.)
Last, although not strictly a sysop chore, I asked a while back if theres a need for clerk work since this is often messy "backroom" stuff that doesn't get any glamor but does need doing; it's again all about cleanup of mess so others can get on with their stuff better.
- 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any with which you are particularly pleased, and why?
A: My activities are summarized and linked from my user page. There's a number of them and that's probably the best place to review my contributions. I keep two separate subpages, for the times I've made significant article contributions and project contributions. Some of the feedback from other editors is on my user page. It's hard to pin down "most pleased", but the ones that tend to please me are those which were in some way an achievement. Reorganizing or writing an article to resolve a dispute is satisfying, but some articles feel more like achievements. The ones that come to mind include... well, I look at the list, and think that's just the articles with major work done... it's a haul to read through it. I'm going to just pick project contributions because that's easier, and just one or two article areas.
- Project contributions: -- Reliability of Wikipedia, Wikipedia:About reworking, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view refactoring, and Wikipedia:Editorial oversight and control were four project areas I'm specially satisfied with. "Reliability" and "Editorial oversight" are key articles that will get heavy use from people seeking to understand, critique, comment or analyze Wikipedia, and the two cover some seriously needed topics both internally and externally. To write an article on reliability and have it accepted "as written" and pretty much zero significant editing and almost no dispute for many months, when there are so many POV warriors and people wanting to find fault, is also quite good feedback. WP:NPOV is also one thats hard to get approval for major refactorings, and I feel the policy page (and hence editors) has benefitted a lot from the cleanup. WP:ABOUT is our main summary of Wikipedia for newcomers, commentators and the world, so that one felt very important to get organized into better order. Links to before/after for these are available at User:FT2/Project contributions.
- Article contributions: -- I still feel very pleased with my early work on 2004 U.S. presidential election controversy and irregularities. This was massively researched and cited, becaue of the subject's controversial and heated nature as an then-current event, and within days of the US election was one of the most useful or requoted online resources available. Despite huge POV warfare, the core writing I had done was not seriously challenged, and it overwhelmingly survived two AFD attacks. For a brief period it was a front page article and also I was told, one of the most referenced sources for information on the controversy from other websites. And yet, it was encyclopedic, and neutrally put together. I'm also pleased with some articles which were hard to do well, such as the cited biography of danish porn star Bodil Joensen, the bringing of Cultural and historical background of Jesus (co-authored) from mediation into a stable shape, and various articles on unusual lifestyles and sexuality. Links to the articles I've significantly worked on are at User:FT2/Article contributions; please ask about specific articles if examples or diffs are needed.
- Other: -- The main thing I'm pleased with, and I rate as much a contribution as any article, is the number of users who had frustration or confusion, or belligerent co-editor problems, and whose articles I have helped, or disputes I've helped resolve. There is nothing quite like finding oneself able to help someone to overcome a problem so their good intentions can continue unabated, and it feels good to be able to help clear others way for them. That, and the sheer range of areas I've enjoyed.
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: - I've never been the target of conflict, or involved in wikidrama, in any way that I'm aware of, other than by a couple of vandals who were later blocked or banned, and a few editors who didn't approve of emotive subjects or wanted me to agree on censoring Wikipedia content or other non-policy issues. I have responded to perhaps a handful of users who had serious comprehension issues when it came to WP:NPOV, WP:V, WP:OR, WP:STRAWMAN, and WP:NPA, but have never found it necessary to be other than WP:CIVIL and courteous in return. Cites and pointers to these are available for anyone on request to see how I handle myself under pressure. Most of them resolved easily one way or another. I didn't see a need or benefit in being other than calm. Sometimes firm and definitive, but always calm and neutral.
- I wrote Wikipedia:Don't be a fanatic, and I think it's good advice. There's a fair number of people whose, in their wish to contribute, need to remember three key words..... balance, community, and purpose. I don't have a problem drawing a line, or stating policy, I don't find there's a need to have a tantrum or coronary in order to do so though.
- The only major Wikistress I've ever had was mild one-article burnout on documenting one of the cases for Arbcom. Not surprising since this was a major sock/meatpuppet ring with some 10-20 accounts in use. I took a break from that article Dec 2005 - May 2006, and returned when the mentors independently realized most of the users were socks and blocked them. This page RFarb entry#documentation of blocks and socks which just documents the sock issues, never mind the content and attack issues, may explain why I burned out a little on it :) A few mentors came close to burnout on that group too, before the culprits were ultimately blocked.
In the last couple of months I've had to deal with COI based conflicts on Farmers Insurance Group, potential policy change conflict on WP:COI (where Jossi and I met), a POV vandal (semi-protection obtained), and a new editor who was incensed at the explicit content within the canine reproduction article's copulation section, which to him was "venial", "crap", "garbage" and "smut". I explained, and let others explain, then posted RFC rather than get into revert warring, to ask for further help explaining, when it became clear he wasn't interested in listening.
Overall, there's no real good reasons or need for being hot headed over words and issues. I didn't become a hothead over this, which went on viciously non-stop for almost a year, or any other case to date, so I doubt that's in my crystal ball. A partial list of dispute work is available at Project contributions#Disputes and dispute resolution, and comments by editors whose disputes I've helped sort out is available at User:FT2#Feedback: Life in the hot seat.
- General comments
- See FT2's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.
- Many common questions were asked in the self-nom RfA in June 2006. To save me copy/pasting and quoting myself where answers haven't changed, could questions be checked there before posting here, if it's possible? Or repasted? Many thanks :) FT2 (Talk | email) 22:58, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion
Support
- Support, as nominator. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 23:02, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I like the thorough and thoughtful answers to the questions and a review of your recent contributions backs up Jossi's assessment. I see you were blocked for 3RR recently but that was (correctly) reversed as a mistake. I look forward to having you in the ranks of admins, Gwernol 23:14, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support good candidate with a firm grip on Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Yuser31415 23:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support ok, I take on board the edit summary comment. This is trivial in the face of this editor's vast numbers of contributions to all aspects of the project, and his obvious depth of knowledge thereof.--Anthony.bradbury 23:40, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support No problems here. Requisition one mop from general stores immediately and start swabbing the decks. (aeropagitica) 23:43, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Supporting good candidate. SD31415 (SIGN HERE) 23:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - we all need to learn to be more level-keeled, and cool-headedness is a valuable trait for an editor or admin alike. Plenty of mainspace, wikipedia, and user talk edits, so I'm happy we have a communicative user who doesn't only do RCP or chores. A good find mate, thumbs up for you. Dåvid ƒuchs (talk • contribs) 00:19, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- JorcogaYell! 00:35, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - no serious reason not to, excellent edit summary now. Insanephantom (my Editor Review) 00:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support, per Jossi. Changed my mind after seeing the COI incident. see below. Crum375 01:37, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Fantastic answers to the questions, great contribs., seems extremely dedicated...get the man a mop.Ganfon 01:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I can't see any reason to do otherwise.--CJ King 02:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Anyone who puts boxes around answers to questions to make it easier for viewers is a true admin. Lol, but seriously...Great answers, great contributions, great user. Nishkid64 02:07, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. You have a pretty broken up edit history, but you contribute everywhere, have great answers tothe questions, and there's no readon to deny you. --Wizardman 02:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support good user, no reservations. James086Talk | Contribs 02:53, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Michael 07:21, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support More than qualified. S h a r k f a c e 2 1 7 07:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Terence Ong 11:01, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Long long overdue. --WoohookittyWoohoo! 11:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support You're much more than qualified for adminship. Great answers! ← ANAS Talk? 16:50, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support My first experience with FT2 was in the context of an acrimonious conflict with Cheese Dreams. At first, FT2 seemed to be working with her, but then I began to wonder whether she was just trying to drag him in on her side, or whether he was sincerely trying to mediate a conflict he did not understand. No matter - my conflict with Cheese Dreams was resolved through appropriate channels and I immediately discovered that FT2 was a very thoughtful, constructive collaborator who takes our core policies (e.g. NPOV and NOR) very seriously and is committed to adding relevant content to articles. My point is, for reasons that I think FT2 had nothing to do with my initial experiences created in me a very strong bias against him but countless acts on his part since them have long overcome that bias. He is well-intentioned, accommodating, hard-working, and principled ... a great combination of virtues for an admin. I endorse enthusiastically. Slrubenstein | Talk 17:05, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- This was a response to an RFC, which happened at a time when the whole idea of editor focus and AGF on the article had been replaced by accusation and counter-accusation, as sometimes happens in heated disputes. Matters becoming sorted out (including a ban on one person RFArb1 RFArb2), the various policy-related points and central article questions were then more able to be listened to, and the article was cleaned up; Slrubenstein and I have worked jointly on a few religion-oriented article discussions since. (e.g., [64] and [65].) FT2 (Talk | email) 17:53, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I can see nothing holding back the award of the mop here. The Rambling Man 17:25, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support—Wikipeditor 2007-01-13
- Support. No question about that. Rettetast
- Support looks good.-- danntm T C 20:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support :) Cbrown1023 00:11, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per the strong nomination and the excellent answers to the standard questions, which are among the best I've seen in a long time. Newyorkbrad 00:55, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Joe I 05:34, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- TLDR support hehehe (742 edits to Zoophilia?? Holy crap!) - crz crztalk 05:55, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm Mailer Diablo and I approve this message! - 13:02, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support--MONGO 13:12, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support.Changed to oppose. Zaxem 13:30, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. —Wknight94 (talk) 14:58, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support without a doubt. --Conti|✉ 15:27, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Bwithh 20:42, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support a good candidate --Steve (Slf67) talk 01:31, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Excellent candidate; absolutely trustworthy. Xoloz 03:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Imageboy1 04:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Christopher Parham (talk) 08:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support --Guinnog 13:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Fantastic user. I worked with him during the User:Ciz issue on Zoophilia, and one thing that stuck out for me about him was his overwhelming degree of sanity and levelheadedness. I have seen users level the most rude and crude personal attacks against him, and FT2 has never lost his cool. Give him the bucket and mop, already! ♠PMC♠ 20:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Seems like he'd be a good admin. -Will Beback · † · 21:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - no reason to oppose to be found... --T-rex 21:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support based on my experiences with the user. Voice-of-All 22:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support --♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ Walkie-talkie 12:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong support - I've had recent dealings with this editor, and like him very much. I would elaborate, but everything has already been said. NinaOdell | Talk 16:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, not just as a good friend, but also as an editor impressed by a lot of the work he's been doing. Zetawoof(ζ) 02:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. jni 11:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. SynergeticMaggot 22:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Per above, and nom I agree that FT2 will make an excellent sysop and should be granted the tools. Somitho 23:12, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I think one of FT2’s best qualities is his ability to be calm and handle issues carefully and appropriately. He also has strong principles, (as the nominator said) a good grasp of policy, patiently explains things, and has a strong presence at helping on real disputes. When we first met (and when I first came to Wikipedia with little understanding of how it worked) I started to lose my cool with someone who was being unreasonable. FT2 used the proper channels and procedures to deal with this person that was eventually banned. I was impressed with his ability to handle the situation and try to get policy followed and consensus for ages despite the 'flames'. He finally asked for other editors agreement for arbitration, all without becoming emotional or losing sight of things. Over time I have learned, by example and from him, how to use Wikipedia and synergistically work together with the community in a better way. I have sought his council and help when working on articles (see article on PETA). It seems from the link above that he has made many excellent project contributions which were adopted and accepted, showing his strong understanding of our policies. (I don't think the COI item below is an exception - see this comment). I believe he has been a valuable part of the Wiki-community and in my view he would make a very helpful and considerate admin.--Steele the Wolf 00:27, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - problems with COI are not enough to not give this user the bit. He/she would not misuse it; in theory, admins have no greater say over policy discussions than nonadmins, so it's a mute issue anyway. I don't see any opposes explaining how user would misuse tools. Patstuarttalk|edits 02:23, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Regardless of whether he's right about COI, FT2 is certainly not being unreasonable or quarrelsome. Overhasty at worst. In everything else, an excellent candidate. He had enough respect for the privilege of administratorship to withdraw earlier - I think he'll use his authority wisely. Λυδαcιτγ 04:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - I really don't like the COI changes one bit ... but if we disqualified anyone with whom any of us have ever disagreed, we would have a mighty small list of admins. --BigDT 03:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. I agree that redirecting an article without even bothering to discuss it with the regular editors is very bad form and very bad manners, but I think FT2 has learned from that experience and won't repeat it. And the COI edits really didn't impress me either, but aren't enough to convince me to oppose. I've reviewed a lot of FT2's other contributions and I can't find anything that makes me think that s/he cannot be trusted with the tools and so I feel happy to support this candidate. Sarah 09:22, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Not perfect (who is?) but courage and initiative to address difficult and important issues, good communication skills, willingness to redress mistakes, commitment to project, sufficient knowledge of its workings. Tyrenius 14:31, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Proto::► 15:04, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
- Oppose I may be a voice in the wilderness, but I must oppose because of FT2's misleading answer about conflict. I draw his attention to Talk:Tie and tease.--Taxwoman 22:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- If the suggestion is that the candidate's answer to question 3 is misleading based on the cited page, I respectfully disagree. I have reviewed the talkpage you link to and I see a civil and reasonable exchange of views, just as things are supposed to work, rather than an example of "conflict" or "stress." Newyorkbrad 22:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose. In my understanding, RFA's have always been about the comunity's assesment of the judgement of the candidate. The discussion at Wikipedia talk:Conflict of interest prevents me from affirming this user's judgement at this point. -- Avi 19:11, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose (changed from support) per Avi. I think that having a strong WP:COI to protect us against outside special interests manipulating WP for their own purposes is crucial. By diluting the policy with admin related matters I think we are weakening one of our core protections and I totally agree with the Arbs that chimed in (they see these attacks every day). I cannot support an admin candidate that feels otherwise, sorry. Crum375 19:39, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per Avi.--Runcorn 22:30, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Even if the case mentioned by Taxwoman was not a conflict, it seems to me that it suggests that FT2 is not fully aware of how to improve the encyclopaedia. This is a serious flaw in a potential admin. - Brownlee 09:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not so sure if you're experienced enough if it takes you ten edits to get an AFD nom straight [66]. Given the other opposition here I think you need more experience. >Radiant< 13:48, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong oppose due to inappropriate edits to the COI guideline. User:Zoe|(talk) 19:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Firm oppose due to completely unacceptible comments on COI, and per Taxwoman. --ElaragirlTalk|Count 01:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I respect absolutely your right to oppose and I don't mean to hector you, but I agree with Newyorkbrad on this. Which part of the candidate's contributions to Talk:Tie and tease seemed unsatisfactory to you? --Guinnog 01:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong oppose I assume WP:AGF by those who don't agree with Taxwoman, but those involved saw it as a conflict, and FT2 has not dissented or apologised, nor has he commented on the relevant talk page.--Osidge 17:32, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Like Newyorkbrad and Guinnog, I'm hoping to hear eventual clarification of which aspect of my comments on Talk:Tie and tease are considered conflictive. Once that's clarified as per requests, that'll help a lot. She almost certainly either watches this page, or knows that clarification is being asked for here, so patience is probably best until she is able to revisit this page or the talk page and clarify her perceptions, because any assumption I might make on the minimal information I have right now, could readily turn out to be unhelpful. FT2 (Talk | email) 19:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per Avi. - R613vlu 23:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose In the case of the Tie and tease article, FT2 deleted all the content without prior discussion on the talk page on the grounds of tidying up. When Taxwoman challenged him, he cited policy to justify his case. Either he doesn't understand the policy or he was trying to pressurise Taxwoman to back down. Either of these would be a fatal flaw in an RfA candidate.--Holdenhurst 23:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for that heads-up. Having dug into it a bit, it turns out that bad faith wasn't involved, either by Taxwoman or myself. My own tiredness late at night seems to have led to a mistaken edit, that (not being on the talk page everyone referred to) was not immediately obvious, so neither I nor others above could take note of it. It was a pretty simple item, which reviewing the above information and the information provided above by Holdenhurst has helped to clarify (thanks :) ). In essence, three short, unreferenced, informal articles with almost identical subject matter were merged, to allow coverage of the subject matter more thoroughly in one more comprehensive article. All three relate to essentially the same sexual practices whereby in erotic play, there is enforced denial of (usually male) orgasm, combined (normally) with simultaneous stimulation of sexuality. Explanation was clearly and openly described in the edit summaries [67] [68] [69]. The existing contents of all articles were fully respected, especially of "Tie and tease", and brought inclusively into the target article [70] [71]. One of the two (Ruined orgasm) was accepted, and one merge (Tie and tease) was reversed. Since there had been at least one view against merging, I accepted the evidence of objection, and some ten days later posted a brief 3 line explanation of the value of the merge, and asked simply, if anyone had a strong or reasoned objection to merging them. This was done in a consensus-seeking style [72]. There was an good quality if short non-contentious debate (as noted by Newyorkbrad and Guinnog), clearly discussing policy-related points, which is visible on the talk page. Although there's a good case the merge was a beneficial idea, after my second and third posts [73] [74] reviewing the benefits and article scopes as compared to the views within WP:MM for merging very similar articles, it was clear there was overall objection. So without any pressure at all, I didn't feel the need to ask again. It's pretty clear on a close look (as noted by others) that the talk page discussion was reasonable, unpressured, and respectful to all. The characterization of this as a "conflict" was therefore puzzling.
Having some idea at last where to look for the "conflict", and looking closer, it's now clear how that view arose. This was a 3 way merger. Three edit summaries noted the content was being merged into one more comprehensive article [75] [76] [77]. The fourth edit summary, to "tie and tease", inadvertently didn't make this clear, it just described the edit (inaccurately) as being a plain overwrite with "redirect" because the two articles "covered essentially the same area" [78]. Likewise I left a note on Talk:Ruined orgasm to clarify what I'd done for other editors of that article [79] but by the same oversight I didn't leave a similar note as intended for the editors of "tie and tease". That probably caused Taxwoman to believe the subject had been impromptu blanked for no good reason losing valuable information on the subject. In fact as a merge of two very similar articles, it had been carefully treated as a merge before the redirect, to ensure the content was respected [80]. That omission of clarity in the edit summary and the omission of the normal explanatory note was my mistake, and I accept responsibility for it, now it's clearer what was going on. If that was the cause of her mis-belief that there had been a simple blanking/deletion for no good reason of a valid article, then I accept the mistake and apologize for the mis-explaining edit summary which led to that understanding. There was no editorial conflict on the actual talk page, hence the puzzlement, but there was a mistake of clarity in the one edit summary out of the four, that likely explains why Taxwoman was led to feel aggrieved as she did. From her viewpoint it would have looked like an abrupt blanking/redirect, followed by an immediate forceful merge proposal when rejected. My excuse, if any, was the time - around 2 am here [81] - and that I was working on multiple articles together of which one most likely slipped through the net of clear explanation. It doesn't happen often that I omit an explanation of a significant edit such as a merge or refactor. Usually when it's likely to be useful, that's something I am very careful about. (eg: [82] [83] [84] [85].) Also, when there is doubt I usually ask (eg: [86] [87] [88] [89].) This is a clear example of how communication and miscommunication lead to disputes, even with a simple mistake, but regaining communication tends to fix them. I hope, explanation given, that Taxwoman will accept it. Obviously the right to oppose is hers, and for my edit summary description error and non-posting of the usual talk page comments that would have explained it better, I accept the negative consequence it led to on this occasion. FT2 (Talk | email) 01:18, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply] - Update: note also left for Taxwoman [90]. FT2 (Talk | email) 01:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for that heads-up. Having dug into it a bit, it turns out that bad faith wasn't involved, either by Taxwoman or myself. My own tiredness late at night seems to have led to a mistaken edit, that (not being on the talk page everyone referred to) was not immediately obvious, so neither I nor others above could take note of it. It was a pretty simple item, which reviewing the above information and the information provided above by Holdenhurst has helped to clarify (thanks :) ). In essence, three short, unreferenced, informal articles with almost identical subject matter were merged, to allow coverage of the subject matter more thoroughly in one more comprehensive article. All three relate to essentially the same sexual practices whereby in erotic play, there is enforced denial of (usually male) orgasm, combined (normally) with simultaneous stimulation of sexuality. Explanation was clearly and openly described in the edit summaries [67] [68] [69]. The existing contents of all articles were fully respected, especially of "Tie and tease", and brought inclusively into the target article [70] [71]. One of the two (Ruined orgasm) was accepted, and one merge (Tie and tease) was reversed. Since there had been at least one view against merging, I accepted the evidence of objection, and some ten days later posted a brief 3 line explanation of the value of the merge, and asked simply, if anyone had a strong or reasoned objection to merging them. This was done in a consensus-seeking style [72]. There was an good quality if short non-contentious debate (as noted by Newyorkbrad and Guinnog), clearly discussing policy-related points, which is visible on the talk page. Although there's a good case the merge was a beneficial idea, after my second and third posts [73] [74] reviewing the benefits and article scopes as compared to the views within WP:MM for merging very similar articles, it was clear there was overall objection. So without any pressure at all, I didn't feel the need to ask again. It's pretty clear on a close look (as noted by others) that the talk page discussion was reasonable, unpressured, and respectful to all. The characterization of this as a "conflict" was therefore puzzling.
- Oppose. (Changed from support.) Per Crum375, Osidge and Holdenhurst. Zaxem 00:00, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
- Neutral per various concerns raised in the Oppose section. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:43, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral -- I wouldn't usually remark "neutral" on anyone, but in this case, I feel it's important. The concerns raised in the oppose section mirror my experience with FT2 at WP:3RR... basically, that he's a bit too hasty to make significant changes to important pages. However, he is totally reasonable in a discussion. I would support, but I think hastiness in an admin is not a good thing, and I wanted to make the point to FT2 that he should be careful in the future. Mangojuicetalk 20:51, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OpposeRegardless of the merit of the added content, major changes to extant guidelines should always be discussed in advance on the talk page. ~ trialsanderrors 01:43, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Moved to Neutral upon further review. ~ trialsanderrors 21:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment by candidate
With the RfA coming towards an end shortly (and I have to head out now), and most of the comments probably made, I figure it's appropriate whatever happens in the last few hours, for me to try and reflect on the positives and negatives that have come out. I felt it more important during the RfA to listen, than talk myself much (one's either appropriate or not for a role, and others are the best judge). RfA is a pretty good way to find what your friends and others really think. The positives, I appreciate. It's good to know that others feel that way. Two negatives came up. The one with "Tie and tease" - now that it's clarified what went on, it's clear the mistake was mine. I think that explaining and checking when a bad edit was perceived, would have cleared it up faster, but I'm glad it was sorted out in the end.
COI, I think is more a case of perspective, and perhaps in retrospect it should have been discussed even though no change of the actual COI requirements was actually made. In retrospect the two "sides" were - 1/ COI should be left as it traditionally started, as addressing self/organizational-promotion only (WP:COI began life as a guideline on vanity articles), and my concern which was: 2/ COI is a term that others look at and have expectation what it should cover. Wikipedia regularly comes under fire for alleged questionable self-regulation and admin power-tripping, by third party commentators, and those comments sometimes end up in the media where others will read and believe them. A media article that reports Wikipedia has strong coherent internal COI will reflect well on us, and one that notes them as apparently absent or minimized may reflect badly. So it's worth referrencing in WP:COI that Wikipedia does have policies related to all forms of COI, since that's what the title implies to readers. Wikipedia is neither small nor marginal any more, so (as with all large undertakings) poor communication and flaws will be noted. People notice apparent flaws in major things more than minor ones.
A significant part of my project work has been cleaning up and authoring project documents which help establish Wikipedia as more credible, more transparent and better explained (WP:ABOUT, Reliability of Wikipedia, Wikipedia:Editorial oversight and control, cleanup of WP:NPOV, and so on). In this area, most contributions have been accepted and adopted; the discussion on COI has become more mild now that the issues of concern are clearer, and hopefully that will be sorted out too some time soon. Apologies if I pushed a bit hard, but it didn't seem very controversial to add to the main page covering COI, the information that we had other policies and guidelines seriously addressing COI too. I accept the correction - espcially from Mangojuice and Audacity and a couple of others - that this and a couple of other projectspace edits were possibly a bit hasty. It's a fair comment.
As there are lessons for me, there are lessons for others too, I think. Both the above were made worse by needless assumptions of bad faith [91] ("smells of a rather insidious attempt", "sneaking in", "these people") and [92], where it could easily have been asked directly what the motive was, rather than assume. The other were two worrying comments on WP:COI that implied that editing a guideline might have been out of order specifically because the contributor was not an admin, or that it was 'not unreasonable' because the contributor was on Request for Adminship at the time [93] [94]. Although admins have more experience, all editors seem to be considered of equal standing in respect of mainspace and project-space work [95]; hence adminship as a basic janitorial service. Comments like that fuel arguments, and also fuel the impression that admins consider themselves "higher", and expect to write the rules for "others", and that's got to be a mis-impression that's not allowed to be given.
That said, whatever the outcome, thank you to all who put in time and thought to give me this feedback. I appreciate it. If anyone still has concerns, advice, or suggestions for improvement, even after the RfA, please let me know, even if the RfA is already over. I've tried to address the main ones here. Thank you. FT2 (Talk | email) 14:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The above adminship discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the talk page of either this nomination or the nominated user). No further edits should be made to this page.
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Final (23/15/17); Ended Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:09:39 UTC
David.Mestel (talk · contribs) – David Mestel is a fine Wikipedian: Been here since October 2005, with major activity beginning around March 2006, and about 3,500 edits. He's done a lot of vandal reversion and AIV work, some AFD and DR work, and, notably, he's reported on arbitration cases in progress for the Wikipedia Signpost for over five months (the most recent edition can be found here.) His close observation of arbitration cases clearly shows his grasp of policy, given the number of policies that are cited in any given arbitration case. He's even got some article writing in there as well. I've watched David over the last five months, and I feel he's worthy of adminship. Do you? Ral315 (talk) 23:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: With thanks, David Mestel(Talk) 15:41, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia in this capacity. Please take the time to answer a few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
- 1. What sysop chores do you anticipate helping with? Please check out Category:Wikipedia backlog and Category:Administrative backlog, and read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.
- A: Blocking persistant vandals rather than letting them continue until an admin looks at AIV. In a similar vein, helping deal with AIV requests. Reviewing speedy nominations, and deleting them if appropriate, and perhaps prodding or AfDing them if not. Closing AfDs after five days, probably sticking to relatively uncontroversial ones at first, but then perhaps branching out as my experience of closing grows. Also looking at AN/I, and giving sanity checks on others' actions, etc.
- 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any with which you are particularly pleased, and why?
- A: My Arbitration Reports for the Signpost. I think it's important that the community is engaged with all levels of the dispute resolution process, and being able to read a one-paragraph case summary rather than having to trawl through pages of evidence certainly makes that easier. I also wrote an article on Roman litigation which I rather like.
- I've also just written an article on the Consumer Credit Act 2006. David Mestel(Talk) 18:50, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- And one on the London Olympic Games and Paralympic Games Act 2006. David Mestel(Talk) 19:55, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- A: My Arbitration Reports for the Signpost. I think it's important that the community is engaged with all levels of the dispute resolution process, and being able to read a one-paragraph case summary rather than having to trawl through pages of evidence certainly makes that easier. I also wrote an article on Roman litigation which I rather like.
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A: Well, I've done some advocacy, which obviously involves conflict situations, but none particularly in my own name, as it were (just to be clear, I would never, never use the tools in a case in which I was involved, or in which I was advocating). I regard formal dispute resolution as the last step to be taken if negotiations break down irrepairably.
Question from ONUnicorn
- 4.I see that a lot of the opposes and neutrals decry your lack of involvement in the mainspace. In the midst of this RFA you changed your awnser to Q2 to say, "I've also just written an article on the Consumer Credit Act 2006. And one on the London Olympic Games and Paralympic Games Act 2006." Looking at those two articles, they were written today. This may be an odd question; but did you write those articles today solely in response to your opposition here? Or would you have written them today anyway? ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 20:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- A.Well...yes and no. I didn't write them because I wanted my RfA to succeed. But the comments did make me me think that I should try writing more articles. And I also came across the List of Acts of Parliament of the United Kingdom Parliament, 2000-Present, and I thought that they could do with articles, and were fairly easily verifiable, so away I went. David Mestel(Talk) 20:16, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Optional Question(s) by S h a r k f a c e 2 1 7 20:54, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- 5.Do you believe it is proper to ask a candidate for RFA their age? Would the age of an RFA candidate affect your decision to vote for them? Should age be at all taken into account when voting for a prospective admin or should the user be judged solely on the quality of their contributions to Wikipedia?
- A.No, no, no and yes. I have a dream that one day admin candidates will be judged not on the magnitude of their age, but on the content of their character. ;) David Mestel(Talk) 20:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- General comments
- See David.Mestel's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.
Discussion
- In regards to the points the opposers make about knowledge of policy: I see no reason to think he doesn't understand policy. Plus, it seem like it would be pretty hard to write upwards of a dozen arbitration report reports for the Signpost and not have an idea of what Wikipedia policy is like. Although I didn't mention it in my support, I certainly consider the arbitration report writing a plus. Picaroon 23:30, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I think the problem here is that there's little evidence showing David using a knowledge of policy in editing, rather, there's evidence that David has been exposed to policy through writing up reports for Arbitration. I know there's nothing more frustrating than having an excellent knowledge of policy but nobody will believe you unless you can put that knowledge into practice when editing. Sadly, this is the way RfA works. It's mainly based on a low number of edits to the Wikipedia namespace. Ironically, if you have a colossal number of edits to the Wikipedia namespace and no experience of policy, you'd be looking at 75% support around now. --Kind Regards - Heligoland (Talk) (Contribs) 23:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support
- It appears I haven't added my name to the tally yet. To be clear, I nominated, and support, David. Ral315 (talk) 22:39, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Let's go out on a limb. His contributions seem solid, and his arbitration reports show dedication to the encyclopedia's community aspect. His answers are short, but sweet. I find Ral315 to be one of our more "conservative" administrators, and if he feels this candidate is suitable for adminship, and after looking through the contributions, I am inclined to agree. RyanGerbil10(Упражнение В!) 16:13, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
SupportCan't see any cons.--Húsönd 17:05, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Changed to neutral.--Húsönd 21:30, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Support. I am satisfied that this candidate could use the tools and won't abuse them. I would have liked to have seen more in-depth reasoning for some of his XfD comments, but adminship is supposed to be no big deal and nothing I see persuades me to oppose. Agent 86 17:22, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Friendly, helpful and respectful to new users, seems to know his stuff per dispute resolution participation, good answers to questions, I thought every dif and discussion of his that I looked at was fine. Good user, there's no doubt in my mind that he will make a good admin. delldot | talk 17:45, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support He's been around a long time, he has a good grasp of policy, and while he has edited limited mainspace articles, those he has edited are good and valuable additions to Wikipedia. Look at the Roman Litigation article. Also, he has experience with dispute resolution and admin tools can be helpful in that aspect of things. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 17:46, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I do like his edits, and I think he could do well with a mop and bucket. FireSpike 22:12, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per ONUnicorn. м info 02:23, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support David is calm, thoughtful, humble, dedicated to the project, and always open to discussion. Whatever rough edges there may be in policy understanding, he has the ideal temperament to learn on the job (a compliment I don't normally give.) He's truly an exceptional Wikipedian. Xoloz 16:31, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, after examining the conflict Guettarda describes, I remain confident he can use admin tools appropriately. Christopher Parham (talk) 18:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Singopo 01:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. I'm not all that familiar with David but I think not wasting his time in XfD is something to be commended, not punished for. It's perfectly possible to be a functioning admin without even caring about deletion. I'd like to see an end to opposing candidates on the basis of their not being all that familiar with our particular focus. Yeah, I know. Fat chance. But it would be nice. Grace Note 06:12, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think you understand why people oppose based on XfD. It's not because XfD is somehow necessary to be an admin (at least, I hope it isn't; it definitely isn't for some), it's because candidates need to show a good understanding of policy. If they've shown it another way, fine, but he has not. -Amarkov blahedits 06:18, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I understand, Amarkov. I just think it's nonsense. Policy is intended to be a codification of how things work. That isn't demonstrated in my view by knowing the reasons some people have invented to destroy content. Au contraire, all that demonstrates is a knowledge of itself, which is on the whole useless in building the encyclopaedia. I'm perfectly happy to have people adminned who don't have the faintest idea why you don't want garage bands in Wikipedia or the guidelines editors such as you have invented to keep them out. If you were concerned that he wouldn't correctly rid us of them, I could understand it, but he's smart enough to read the guidelines before making that kind of decision. Grace Note 07:41, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think you understand why people oppose based on XfD. It's not because XfD is somehow necessary to be an admin (at least, I hope it isn't; it definitely isn't for some), it's because candidates need to show a good understanding of policy. If they've shown it another way, fine, but he has not. -Amarkov blahedits 06:18, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per delldot. Addhoc 18:10, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I endorse what Delldot and Xoloz said. David certainly looks decent to me. There's nothing to suggest he's likely to misuse the tools, and his Wikipedia space contribs are fine; although they don't show that much xfd particpation, they show enough to make me think he understands what he's doing. However, I do second the preview button thing - the amount of edits you've used to create Signpost reports and format this rfa are quite high. See also my reply to your reply to Radiant. Picaroon 18:23, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support--CJ King 23:59, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Suport-- Generally pretty sensible around the place. --BozMo talk 11:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I have no reason to oppose. -- Szvest - Wiki me up ® 12:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support A sensible and level-headed editor who will be an asset as an admin.--Newport 20:37, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Would make a good administrator Mad Jack 21:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. David is dedicated towards bettering the encyclopaedia, and is bright enough to know what he's doing. All that is required. Proto::► 15:49, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I am very familiar with David's work and was seriously considering nominating him myself.--Runcorn 22:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - I agree with Proto's reasoning. NoSeptember 00:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
- Support: Nothing really unpleasent has come to light - no chance of abusing the tools here and there's little real evidence the candidate will misuse the tools either. Now, the candidate has been exposed to policy, I know the candidate has been around policy and I'm happier supporting this candidate than many with thousands of Wikipedia namespace edits but which don't always show knowledge of policy. --Kind Regards - Heligoland 02:33, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support Great guy that deserves the tools with pride. --Extranet (Talk | Contribs) 12:02, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
- Oppose - I have gotten the impression that David isn't really familiar enough with policy, especially with regards to WP:NOR. Guettarda 16:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Just for the record, I advocated in a dispute with this editor a few months ago. David Mestel(Talk) 16:34, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- ...which is where I got the impression that you didn't understand policy, and didn't understand that you didn't understand policy. Guettarda 18:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Just for the record, I advocated in a dispute with this editor a few months ago. David Mestel(Talk) 16:34, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I see little participation in process other than writing for the Signpost. Also, in that writing, it seems you should try to use the preview button a bit more often [96]. In short, I think you could use some more experience. >Radiant< 17:12, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, I'm a little confused. Do you mean that I shouldn't have used as many seperate edits to write it? David Mestel(Talk) 17:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Yeah, that's what he means - I can tell because I was thinking the same thing. Using the preview button can help you cut them down and minimize the extent to which they crowd your contribs. Picaroon 18:23, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, I'm a little confused. Do you mean that I shouldn't have used as many seperate edits to write it? David Mestel(Talk) 17:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose good job on the ArbCom report for the Signpost. But articles written should be in the mainspace, I hope to see more activity in that and you need more participation in admin-related processes. Terence Ong 17:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose until more mainspace activity - I agree that too many admins do not participate in building the encyclopedia.--Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 18:33, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Per Terence Ong and Dmz5. Sorry. - Mailer Diablo 19:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose. Assisting in the Signpost is good, but I'd prefer more work with policy on AfD comments and such. I have to agree with Terence Ong and Dmz5 on the lack of mainspace participation rather than just plain vandalism-reverting. Michaelas10 (Talk) 19:30, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose - significant contributions in only 3 areas (main, User, and Wikipedia -- which were by far mostly Signpost), most edits in User Talk (40%!), too liberal use of Save Page button per Radiant (20+ edits to many single Signpost issues), only 200 non-minor edits in Main space, and most of all, while the articles written today look good, they should not have been used as addendums to your answers to questions.
Single Purpose Articles?-- Renesis (talk) 20:31, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Struck comment, since David has explained that he only means to show that he has taken concerns seriously and wants to improve, and articles were written in good faith. -- Renesis (talk) 00:27, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per a mix and match of the above regarding lack of variety and experience. Sorry, chief. Just H 21:43, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per lack of mainspace experience. Also, his question about and lack of use of the Preview button shows he needs more time. His apparent creation of 2 articles just for the RfA is questionable. May be a good admin in the future, though. Crum375 22:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per Crum375. Michael 07:21, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'd like to support you, because Xoloz is right; we could really use admins like you. But you don't participate enough in XfD and stuff for me to see that you understand policy. Signpost writing is all fine and well, but it's not something relevant to adminship. I must regretfully oppose. -Amarkov blahedits 22:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Pretty much everyone in the Oppose and Neutral categories already covered it. You are a good Wikipedian, just currently not qualified for Adminship. If you come back in 6 months with solid credentials, I will gladly support you. S h a r k f a c e 2 1 7 21:27, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose a journalist doesn't need the admin tools --Steve (Slf67) talk 03:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose for the reasons outlined by several others above. I think more experience is needed in areas applicable to use of the admin bit (XfD, policy discussions, etc.) ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Regrettably. I'm sorry, but this user has much too little mainspace edits. I would expect about 3000. You should also participate more in XFD, to understand more about policy and stuff like that. All other areas are superb. Good luck. --Tohru Honda13Talk•Sign here 02:27, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
- Neutral. You seem like a good user who's very active in the wikispace part of it, but you need to improve the content aspect of your game, as you have relatively few mainspace edits.--Wizardman 15:50, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral Not as many mainspace edits as user Talk edits - a little more assistance in building the encyclopedia would change this to a positive opinion. (aeropagitica) 17:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral - Good user but needs more experience in encyclopedia building. I would recommend withdrawing this nomination and re-requesting at some latter date. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 21:23, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral Swayed by issues brought up by those opposing.--Húsönd 21:30, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral You're a good editor, but I really don't see a need for admin tools. Above, you state your primary duties will be patrolling WP:AIV, WP:ANI, and WP:AFD. However, I don't see any real participation in any of those areas - non-admins can still comment on WP:AIV and WP:ANI, and I'd recommend closing several unanimous-keep AfDs before stating those as your focus. Yuser31415 21:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Not having a need for admin tools and not having a lot of edits in those areas are not the same thing. His first answer show a good enough need as any for tools. Picaroon 23:30, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral-The pros and cons seem pretty equal. --TeckWizTalk Contribs@ 23:13, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral per the comments by Yuser31415. SD31415 (SIGN HERE) 23:51, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral hmm...I feel that this user is well on their way to becoming an admin but more experience is necessary in this case, also I would suggest that you start giving more reasons on XFDs than just "per nom". Arjun 00:15, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral You have a lot of contributions, and a lot of Wikipedia edits which are good. Your answer to the first question was good, but after that you kind of dwindle away. I wouldn't mind to see you with a mop, but at the same time I don't know if I can completely trust you with the tools.Ganfon 01:53, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral, leaning towards support. Needs slightly more edits in the mainspace. Insanephantom (my Editor Review) 02:11, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral Hmmmmmm... you're a good editor but you are missing some things that admins need to do such as mainspace and true interaction with other users (not a vandal warning). Good luck on that.--PrestonH | talk | contribs | editor review | 02:47, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral suggest a bit more experience, a few more mainspace edits, but not far off. The Rambling Man 17:22, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral I suggest you experience more of the encyclopedia.-- danntm T C 20:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral per Yuser. --tennisman sign here! 21:48, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral as above. Carpet9 04:36, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral Ganfon and Yuser articulated my feelings fairly accurately. I would consider David.Mestal a very promising candidate in the not-too-distant future, after a little more experience and a little more vision. --Matthew 08:52, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral I could go either way on this one. More mainspace work and you'd be there. I'm sure we'll see you with the mop someday soon.--Eva bd 14:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Final (52/2/0); Ended Thu, 18 Jan 2007 23:04:24 UTC
TSO1D (talk · contribs) – I have used this encyclopedia for a few years now, having started editing Wikipedia in June 2005. Although initially, my edits have been more sporadic, I have always maintained an interest in Wikipedia, and I never ceased using this encyclopedia, even if during certain periods more as a reader than as a righter. Since the beginning of 2006, I have been active continuously as an editor. My activity on Wikipedia has reflected my diverse interests, both in the subject and the nature of my edits. I have worked on diverse articles, and through this experience I have learned the meaning of the policies and standards of the encyclopedia, as well as how to cooperate with others. A major part of my activity has been involved in conflict resolution, in articles such as Transnistria or Kosovo, and certain WP:RFC topics. I have also been involved in more technical areas, such as article deletions, and policy definition (especially in the case of WP:SCIENCE. Although I understand the great responsibilities that come with the status of an administrator, I feel I can succeed in this position and I am eager to participate in the project in this new capacity. TSO1D 22:29, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: How can I refuse! (self nom). TSO1D 23:06, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia in this capacity. Please take the time to answer a few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
- 1. What sysop chores do you anticipate helping with? Please check out Category:Wikipedia backlog and Category:Administrative backlog, and read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.
- A: I anticipate rendering my services, wherever I can. As an editor, my main emphasis was creating and improving articles, and I would like to help ensure a constructive atmosphere for other writers and to facilitate their work by responding to requests on WP:AIV, monitoring 3RR violations, placing and removing page protections, page moves, as well as other venues where I can offer my assistance. I have also been active on deletion debates, especially Articles for Deletion, and I wish to have the authority to close debates there, although I will be cautious at first. I also want to help reduce the various backlogs that exist across Wikipedia, such as speedy deletions. TSO1D 23:02, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any with which you are particularly pleased, and why?
- A: The article to which I have helped develop the most has been Germany. During the last two months, I have spent a great amount of time trying to reorganize the article, improve the quality of its text, and provide citations for all the facts presented in it. A few days ago, Germany has been promoted to Featured Article status, and this probably remains my greatest success as an editor on Wikipedia. Although the FAC process was tedious at times, I believe that this experience has helped me like no other to understand the standards of the encyclopedia and how to achieve them. Another article that I have been closely involved with has been Transnistria. Although I am not fully content with the quality of the text, I mostly prize my involvement in trying to reach agreements with other contributors. This topic is extremely controversial, and this article has been the subject of numerous personal conflicts and edit wars, and I believe that my ability to forge compromises has helped to reduce the tension, although the article considers to suffer (it is actually locked now). TSO1D 23:02, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A: Yes, unfortunately I have been involved in numerous conflicts due to the nature of the articles that I edit the most. As I have previously mentioned, Transnistria is one such article, others include: Moldova, Kosovo, Moldovans, etc. I have also responded to multiple RFC's, such as Guernica (town), and these have also had a charged setting. I have tried to remain calm and objective in these disputes (though not always with perfect success), however in spite of the stress that I have often experienced, I feel that this experience has been instrumental in increasing my ability to resolve and prevent conflicts. I always try to Assume good faith unless I have evidence to suspect foul play (such as vandalism, or using socks), however even in those cases, I do not insult these users but try to ask them to remain constructive (and have even received thanks for this by some). I believe that the vast majority of people are inherently good and reasonable, and that it is possible to come to an agreement if you show respect and present logical arguments. TSO1D 23:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Optional question (or questions) from :: Eagle 101 (Need help?)
- 4. As Wikipedia grows, and its search engine ranking increases, this is causing some people to use Wikipedia for search engine optimization, and to generally promote their website. Spam has almost doubled in little over 2 months. This information was derived from watching Linkwatcher's (IRC bot) output as it sits in #wikipedia-spam, a channel on the freenode IRC network. The core policies and guidelines dealing with spam are WP:SPAM, WP:EL, and WP:RS. An open ended question, what is your view on how severe spam is, and why? What is the purpose of External Links? Should we be allowing every myspace, youtube, blogspot, ect links into Wikipedia, Or should our standards be a bit higher then that? If so, how high?
- Here on Wikipedia, as well as on every other ___location where spam is present, its effects can range from being a minor nuisance to a major problem. Although I agree with your assessment that the quantity of spam being introduced is increasing, I believe that the tools available on Wikipedia and dedicated patrolmen have been able to minimize its effects. I am confident that for the present, Wikipedia editors are able to cope with this issue, which fortunately is still less of a problem (qualitatively) than vandalism.
- On the mattter of external links, I believe that their number should be kept low and that only important, credible, and relevant sources should be included. The purpose is to give readers the opportunities to explore the subject more using additional resources not available in the article. Although, I generally disfavor the inclusion of blogs, myspace accounts, or youtoube submissions, I do not wish to categorically say that I want to exclude them. Certain exceptions (such as an offical myspace account of a personality), might be relevant in certain contexts, although great care must be taken to ensure their quality, and such instances should not be too frequent. TSO1D 23:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Optional question from :: Heligoland
- 5. Can you please describe some details on the WP:FU policy and describe when it's not acceptable to use a fair use image. In what circumstances would an image that a user has created and agreed to licence under a free licence be unsuitable for Wikipedia?
- An image that satisfies the requirement for "fair use" should be used only if it's truly needed. Even if it meets all legal requirements, that in itself does not mean that the image can be included. The most important point that needs to be considered, is whether the picture is truly critical to illustrate a certain aspect of the article, and whether there are any free alternatives. If the image does not directly act as a visual aid to the information presented, or if there is another one available under a free license, then the first image should not be used. As for a free image created by a user, the same process needs to be applied. The fact that it is free does not mean that it should be used unless there is sufficient reason to do so. Of course, there are myriads of situations that would make such an image unsuitable, so from this respect, it is impossible to generalize. But again, as always, it needs needs to illustrate an element of the article, and if there are any doubts as to whether it is necessary or proper, the Wikipedia guideline you mentioned above gives a much more detailed set of criteria through which such candidates can be screened. TSO1D 01:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- General comments
- See TSO1D's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.
Discussion
Support
- Support. Contributions, wikispace experience, etc. look good. Good luck! -- Renesis (talk) 23:35, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, as I see no reason not to. Keep up the grood work, Dar-Ape 23:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support-contribs good and pretty well spread out. --TeckWizTalkContribs@ 00:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support good, well-balanced range of edits. Answers good. I am sure will use the tools wisely and well.--Anthony.bradbury 00:26, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- No-cliche-here Support. --tennisman sign here! 00:30, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Great editor. Khoikhoi 01:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support a good candidate --Steve (Slf67) talk 01:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support Contribs. are comendable. Loads of experiance and great answers to the questions. Best of luck.Ganfon 01:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Impressed by TSO1D's conscientious and thoughtful work on Germany. Should be an equally conscientious admin. Raymond Arritt 01:42, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support good editor. —dima/s-ko/ 02:14, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Contributions well spread out. SD31415 (SIGN HERE) 02:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. A great user who is willing to admit where he's been wrong, and has learned from the incident. I think this valued editor will be even more valued as an administrator. Yuser31415 02:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, will be a great admin. I invite people to check out TSO1D's exemplary interaction with other users and his relentless work during the month-long FAC for Germany. See also the contrast between the current Germany with the version prior to his involvement [97]. Pascal.Tesson 03:02, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - the mainspace contributions are lower than my requirements, but I guess well-rounded participation in such flamebaits as Kosovo or Transnistria make up for the difference. Good luck Alex Bakharev 03:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Mediation is one of the most important tasks for an admin, and this Wikipedian seems fit. bibliomaniac15 04:09, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Looks good. (aeropagitica) 05:53, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, only good experiences with this user. Kusma (討論) 06:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Active in AfD and RC patrolling + quality editor. Will make a good administrator - Peripitus (Talk) 06:30, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per Pascal.Tesson and strong answer to #5. --BigDT 07:36, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - good answers to questions, trustable. Insanephantom (my Editor Review) 08:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong support - outstanding answer to Q1 and shows strong streak of humility, which is a useful virtue in an admin. Particularly keen to promote users who have an interest in conflict resolution. Get mopping. --Dweller 10:34, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Name keeps poping up in positive context. Wikispace contributions are very good. Agathoclea 10:48, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support sounds like a great candidate to me. James086Talk | Contribs 11:54, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support--Jusjih 12:49, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I would prefer it if this user would diversify beyond doing AFD work, but nevertheless xe appears to be a good candidate. >Radiant< 13:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support An amazing attitude throughout the tiresome FAC process. Gzkn 13:46, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, definitely. Proto::► 14:28, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support great editor --HIZKIAH (User • Talk) 14:51, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Have seen around at AfD a lot, but I was most impressed with the way the FAC for Germany was handled (and obviously the result). This here must seem a doddle compared to the heat and pressure at that forum. :) Bubba hotep 14:58, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Support. Most of your edits are in the same locations, and it makes you look unwilling to branch out though. Great answers to the questions pushed me to support though.--Wizardman 15:52, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Great editor. Great candidate. Answers are good. Trustworthy. ← ANAS Talk? 17:11, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Terence Ong 17:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Transnistria is a good article about a contentious topic. If he can handle that kind of stress, he should be good at other administrative duties, too. Coemgenus 19:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm Mailer Diablo and I approve this candidate! - 19:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support because I have no reason not to. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 21:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Joe I 22:23, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support as non-nominator. JorcogaYell! 00:37, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support --Extranet (Talk | Contribs) 05:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Don't remember seeing the nominee around afd, but seems to have an excellent reputation after being heavily involved in editing controversial articles, so thats good Bwithh 07:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Good editor. --Mardavich 09:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support looks good.-- danntm T C 19:53, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Cbrown1023 00:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per user contributions, answers, comments above. Newyorkbrad 01:00, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Jaranda wat's sup 06:03, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support as per bibliomaniac15. -- Szvest - Wiki me up ® 12:44, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. WJBscribe (WJB talk) 22:57, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support: one of the coolest heads and most valuable mediators from that corner of the wikiworld with which I am familiar. jamason 23:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- 5upp0r7 ~ trialsanderrors 01:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. SynergeticMaggot 22:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per above, and nom. Somitho 23:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per Bubba Hotep/Bwithh and solid answers to questions. Angus McLellan (Talk) 00:16, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. On my user page I have a statement[98] from another Transnistria-active editor who says this about myself and TSO1D: "[off_topic]You two currently represent a model group of wikipedians, bringing NPOV to what was previously an almost hopeless article with reasonable dialogue, while approaching the issue from opposite sides - something I thought as impossible without bickering and pointless revert wars - you know that? :) [/off_topic] Illythr 00:30, 18 May 2006 (UTC) " We are on opposite sides, but I respect TSO1D's ability to put Wikipedia first and his personal opinions second (or third, or where it is that he puts them, since they don't often interfere with his work). - Mauco 21:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
- Oppose. All Wikipedia namespace edits are mostly on AFDs, and there is a big gap in editing periods as stated in the self-nomination. Not sure if the editor has a good grasp of policy. I am willing to be convinced otherwise, if user can provide diffs of useful contributions/engagements in community matters. Another concern is the too narrow set of articles in which the user edits. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 02:24, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree that my edits in the Wikipedia namespace have been rather narrow in scope, as they have been mostly on AFD's and certain topic-specific projects, and this is one aspect of my participation that I would like to amend by branching out. I believe, however that I have learned much through AFD's as diverse debates have encompassed a wide array of policies (such notability criteria, standards for verification, what constitutes original research, etc). I also participated on the development of WP:SCIENCE, and while helping draft that policy, I consulted similar sets of criteria and more general sets of policy which I had to understand before I could offer my own suggestions. On various RFC's, and even general article discussion, I also have often referred to various policies of the encyclopedia. As for providing diffs of useful contributions on community matters, I am not sure what I can present, however perhaps you could look at Wikipedia talk:Notability (science) and its archives, or browse through various AFD's so that you can assess my familiarity with policy. TSO1D 03:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose. I know the activity of this editor and in my opinion the quality of his edits is low, with the exception of spelling corrections, where indeed he is doing a good job. Not enough for an admin.--MariusM 19:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you for your comment. Nevertheless, I have to say that I don't fully agree with your assessment of my edits. First of all, I believe that copyediting is an important part of writing articles, however that has never been my strength or an area of emphasis for me. Please look at a larger sample of my edits, and you will see that my edits are of a more varied nature. Although their quality is a more subjective element, as different users have diverging standards, I believe that most of them are more substantial than you have labeled them. Thank, you again, and hopefully we will reach a compromise on border issues for Transnistria. TSO1D 20:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
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Final (83/0/0); Ended Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:44:40 UTC
Isotope23 (talk · contribs) -- I started editing here as an Anon in January 2005 and registered my account in April 2005. Since then I've made a pretty decent number of edits here including article edits, AfD discussions, and more recently picking the low hanging fruit at WP:AN/I. Until recently, everything I've done on Wikipedia has just required regular editor privileges, but lately I've started noticing that in some situations I could more effectively contribute if I were able to take action instead of just reporting incidents at the admin noticeboard. I've also noticed some backlogs like sockpuppet investigations and page protection where I feel I could help out.
I'm civil, reasonable, and I think overall I have shown good judgement here at Wikipedia. When confronted with disagreements over content or edits I've always tried to engage the other party on the article talk page and as an admin this would continue to be my style (except of course in cases of blatant vandalism by vandal-only accounts where immediate action to prevent further damage is warrented). When I've acted boldly and been wrong I've apologized and worked with other editors to get it right. Overall, I feel I could be an asset to the project if I'm given the mop and bucket. Isotope23 18:16, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: I accept my self-nom
- Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia in this capacity. Please take the time to answer a few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
- 1. What sysop chores do you anticipate helping with? Please check out Category:Wikipedia backlog and Category:Administrative backlog, and read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.
- A: As I've indicated above I would probably focus on helping out on backlogs and watching WP:AN/I. I have pretty extensive experience with articles for deletion and I could help out there as well as on speedy deletions. I've done a bit of vandalism fighting and I imagine I could help out on that front too. I see myself as being more of a "general practitioner" and I don't think I would necessarily limit myself to just a few areas of administratorship.
- 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any with which you are particularly pleased, and why?
- A: There are two actually. One is Plastic Jesus, which is the first time I ever typed something into the search box and realized there was no article about a topic and I actually knew enough about it to write one. It's small, but I'm glad to have started it nonetheless. The other is Sweetest Day. This is a small observance that is only celebrated in a few cities in the Midwest. when I became aware of the article via an AfD, it looked like this. Another editor came along with what I consider to be an novel understanding of verifiability and original research as well as many characteristics of a tendentious editor. After a rather long editing process pages filling several pages of Talk:Sweetest Day, a request for comment, & a request for mediation. The article today looks pretty good, is well sourced, and has a consensus behind it. The truly gratifying part though was when I noticed that in 2006, for the first time in the obligatory news stories that run in local newspapers every year, the official history was accompanied by mention of the information from the Wikipedia article (and in fact somewhere else I saw an article that was nearly a text dump from the Wikipedia article that a reporter had just slapped their name on). Though the writer never mentions Wikipedia by name, the fact that this article appeared October 20th and contains text from the version of the article that existed on the 19th warms my heart (though it does create a interesting sourcing debate about using a 3rd party source that was obviously based on Wikipedia). It's not a featured article, but the whole process was a learning experience for me and in the end people apparently felt it was good enough to borrow from.
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A: Well, this goes back to my answer to #2. I'm not going to go into all the sordid details as there is a historical record on the Talk:Sweetest Day page as well as on User talk:Isotope23. Suffice to say I think there was a very large divide in opinion on that article with one editor disagreeing with the consensus. Through out the whole process I continued to engage the editor who disagreed on the talk page and I think that if you peruse the Archives of that talk page you will see that I was at all times WP:CIVIL, even when it was being suggested by that editor (without any sort of evidence) that I was an "industry spin doctor". I will admit that after a point I got tired of some of the shenanigans that were happening there as well as the constant failure on the part of that editor to assume good faith, but at no time did I lose my cool and I requested an RfC & RfM to try and come to a consensus. Other than that, there have been a few times I've had disagreements with editors who were trying to introduce unsourced or POV information into an article but in all cases I made a good faith attempt to discuss the issue on the talk page for the article. I don't think any of this has ever caused me stress; just mild annoyance.
Optional questions from Malber (talk · contribs)
- 4. If you encountered an editor who was also the subject of a biographical article editing their own article, how would you handle this situation as an administrator?
- A: It depends on the type of edits they are making to the article. I actually encountered this situation on the article about Phil Hine where the subject expressed some ambivalence about being the subject of a Wikipedia article. I contacted the subject on his user talk page and advised him that it would be acceptable for to remove unsourced and incorrect information from the article as well as add sourced information with a cite provided he explain the edits on the talk page (per WP:BLP; which I linked to on his page), which is exactly what he did. In the case of an editor who was making unsourced and/or self-promotional claims in an article about themselves I would first point them to WP:BLP and WP:AUTO. If they continued to add the material to the article or engaged in disruptive behavior than I would consider a short cool-down block of the account.
- 5. Can you name at least one circumstance where it would be inappropriate to semi-protect an article?
- A: I wouldn't semi-protect in the case of a content dispute. Semi-page protection should be used to interrupt vandalism in progress by multiple IPs and should be a short-term solution. If there was a full on content dispute that involved an anon and had become disruptive to the point where protection was warrented I would fully protect the page rather than semi.
- 6. What would your thought process be to determine that a business article should be deleted using CSD:G11?
- A: Confronted with a G11 I would have to judge how blatent of advertising the article is and if there is any redeemable content or quality about the subject matter. If the company obviously met WP:CORP then I would probably remove the content, create a stub, and watch the article for adverts. If the subject clearly didn't meet WP:CORP but was not obvious advertising, I would remove the CSD and either AfD or PROD the article. If it was obvious advertising for a company that doesn't meet WP:CORP I would delete it speedily.
Optional question (or questions) from —— Eagle 101 (Need help?)
- 7. As Wikipedia grows, and its search engine ranking increases, this is causing some people to use Wikipedia for search engine optimization, and to generally promote their website. Spam has almost doubled in little over 2 months. This information was derived from watching Linkwatcher's (IRC bot) output as it sits in #wikipedia-spam, a channel on the freenode IRC network. The core policies and guidelines dealing with spam are WP:SPAM, WP:EL, and WP:RS. An open ended question, what is your view on how severe spam is, and why? What is the purpose of External Links? Should we be allowing every myspace, youtube, blogspot, ect links into Wikipedia, Or should our standards be a bit higher then that? If so, how high?
- A:I think the potential for spam is always going to be something that Wikipedia is going to have to deal with and the more popular the website becomes the more spam we are going to see. Because Wikipedia is open to anyone for editing there are always going to be individuals and entities out there that see Wikipedia as a free webhost (even though it is expressly WP:NOT) or as a vehicle to increase their visibility. I think it is something we will always have to deal with as a community going forward. I think external links are useful in the respect that they allow us to point readers to external information sources that expand upon a topic and perhaps go into more detail than in necessary or appropriate in a given article (or are comprised of copyrighted text). That said, I think that WP:EL is a valuable guideline and external links should be vetted for content as well as their relevance to the topic they are linking from. For example, in my opinion a link from China to a site containing topographical maps of the country would be appropriate and useful, while a link to a travel agency booking trips to China would not. As far as Myspace is concerned, I'm not a huge fan of MySpace links in articles, but the consensus seems to be that "official" MySpace pages for a subject are an acceptable external link from a relevant article and I respect that consensus. The only real problem I would have with a MySpace link is if it were being used as a source in an article for a particularly extraordinary claim as I don't think you can really consider MySpace a reliable source in many cases because it is not independent 3rd party sourcing. My feeling on blogs are similar to my feeling on MySpace. Linking to a subject's blog, particularly if they are notable as a blogger, is acceptable but using said blog as a source for the article can be problematic. YouTube has its own unique issues relating to copyright. Generally speaking I would be cautious about linking to YouTube content unless it was clear that the video was on topic and free of any copyrighted material. I think removal of YouTube links in articles where the content is clearly copyrighted and the uploader doesn't have permission to post said content is the correct course of action.
Optional question from badlydrawnjeff (talk · contribs):
- 8. What do the policy of WP:IAR and the essay WP:SNOW mean to you and how would you apply them?
- A:In a nutshell, WP:IAR is the safety valve to avoid having Wikipedia descend into bureaucracy. Personally I can only think of a couple of times I invoked it by name;
Once in a DRV for Lostpedia where it appeared that WP:WEB was being applied in letter and not in spirit, and the second time was in the discussion about ProtectionBot Where I felt that even if Dragons flight had violated the letter of WP:SPAM (and I think that was debatable), his intentions were good and action against him was not warrented. Other than that, I've used it in spirit if not in name on occasional AfD's where I felt the relevant guidelines were not necessarily appropriate for the subject. For example, in the past the way the WP:MUSIC criteria was written made if extremely difficult for most opera singers to qualify. WP:SNOW I've only linked on AfD's where there was clear consensus one way, particularly if I had initiated the AfD. I think WP:SNOW needs to be used with care because it isn't a policy or guideline and only in cases where there is a clear consensus or it is obvious that someone is gaming the system (as in the case of spurious AfDs that should be speedily kept). Even then, I see it more of a statement of position rather than a justification for taking action.- Per the diff provided by User:Badlydrawnjeff I didn't actually invoke WP:IAR by name in the Lostpedia DRV. Sorry for the confusion.--Isotope23 02:03, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- A:In a nutshell, WP:IAR is the safety valve to avoid having Wikipedia descend into bureaucracy. Personally I can only think of a couple of times I invoked it by name;
Optional question from TeckWiz (talk · contribs)
- 9. Why was the edit summary "revert vandal" in this diff.? It seems a user just bolded a word. --TeckWizTalkContribs@ 22:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- A: As Steve alluded to below, after I warned User:Kronecker about unwanted edits he was making to User:Tresckow's page, he responded by editing my userpage. While I don't WP:OWN my userpage and WP:USER allows for others to edit my userpage, it is hard to not see User:Kronecker's edit as the equivilent of giving me the finger in response to my warning, even assuming good faith. That is the reason I reverted it as vandalism.--Isotope23 01:50, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment you need to look further than the edit comment. User:Kronecker edited another user's page here [99] which was vandalism. Isotope23 warned him nicely and got some vandalism of his own pointing out he was not an admin. --Steve (Slf67) talk 01:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- A: As Steve alluded to below, after I warned User:Kronecker about unwanted edits he was making to User:Tresckow's page, he responded by editing my userpage. While I don't WP:OWN my userpage and WP:USER allows for others to edit my userpage, it is hard to not see User:Kronecker's edit as the equivilent of giving me the finger in response to my warning, even assuming good faith. That is the reason I reverted it as vandalism.--Isotope23 01:50, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- General comments
- See Isotope23's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.
- Per WP:GRFA#Closure, I will not be sending out individual messages thanking editors for their participation here; I will leave a blanket message on the RfA talkpage as well as my own user talkpage. Thanks!--Isotope23 21:06, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion
Support
- Support. I'm familiar with this editor and believe the nominee needs the tools and will use them well. Good record and history. Agent 86 19:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support a good user who knows what they are doing. Good luck. --Majorly (talk) 19:51, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support A very common name around here. I see no reason why not to support. Arjun 20:00, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. I see this user around often, and am surprised he/she is not already an administrator. RyanGerbil10(Упражнение В!) 20:08, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - I can say mountains about this user's diplomatic and calm manner. Give him the mop. Yuser31415 21:11, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support The answers to the questions indicate a well rounded user with good understanding of Wiki policy who would be an appropriate administrator. I have encountered this user before, although in what capacity I can't remember. Definite support. Addyboy (talk · contribs)
- SupportThis user seems to be a good candidate. He has reminded me in the past to leave an edit summary and now I nearly always do. Good luck- TellyaddictTalk 21:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Seems like a reasonable and cool-headed editor with a good amount of experience. Coemgenus 21:59, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per nom. (just wondering, what element are you, Oxygen, sodium...? ;-) ) --Tone 22:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support No problems with this RfA application! (aeropagitica) 22:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support No concerns here at this time. --Kind Regards - Heligoland (Talk) (Contribs) 22:43, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Nothing seems wrong here, so why not? -Amarkov blahedits 23:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Excellent contributor; absolutely trustworthy. Xoloz 23:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)\[reply]
- Support A trustworthy editor. Chairman S. Talk Contribs 23:39, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Your answers are very well written, and you've got the experience to boot. You'll be a great admin.Ganfon 23:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per good contributions, answers above, and excellent comments in noticeboard and other discussions. No concerns. Newyorkbrad 00:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Michael 00:21, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Would like more mainspace edits, but the ones you have are great. Great answers, contributions, no problems here. --Wizardman 00:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Great candidate. You should be a great help with the tools. ← ANAS Talk? 01:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Solid answers and his contributions at AN/ANI recently have shown the sort of attitude an admin should have: he's poured oil on troubled waters, rather than pouring it over the fire. Isotope23 has been doing excellent work every time, and everywhere, our paths have crossed in the past six to eight months. I raised the question of an RfA the other day, so I'm very happy to have the chance to offer my support. Angus McLellan (Talk) 01:30, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support first saw him around AfD where he's quite active. Good editor, takes the time to make his point more precisely when needed. Also convincing answers to questions and already working in "pre-admin" fashion with his work on ANI. Pascal.Tesson 01:40, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support: Looks pretty clear. —Wknight94 (talk) 01:53, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support and yell at the nominator for not doing this earlier. JorcogaYell! 01:54, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes--Docg 02:14, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support. Seen this user around doing good work since I started editing. Contribs check out and very persuasive reasons for the tools. Has shown a consistently strong understanding of policy. Absolutely no reservations in supporting. WJBscribe (WJB talk) 02:43, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - strong experience and understanding of polices. No real reason to oppose. Insanephantom (my Editor Review) 08:29, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Go 'Topes! >Radiant< 09:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Yup. Proto::► 10:33, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - per above. Addhoc 11:09, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I've seen nothing but good things from this editor. —Malber (talk • contribs) 12:47, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I've checked the diff-generator; there were no problems in your AfD and ANI participations, and you seem to show a good grasp of the policies you want to help enforce. --ais523 12:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
- Support Terence Ong 13:30, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support solid and dependable candidate. MLA 17:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Great editor and candidate. --Kukini 17:21, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support No problems here. A great editor. --Siva1979Talk to me 17:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support all good. The Rambling Man 17:58, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support my only worry is what is your half life? Wouldn't want you to end up quickly becoming only half an admin.... Mathmo Talk 19:29, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Excellent contributor been here nearlly a year. They should well know the policies. Rasillon 20:50, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Nothing-wrong-at all Support --tennisman sign here! 21:11, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support looks excellent.-- danntm T C 21:35, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support.--Húsönd 21:50, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support A little more Mainspace edits wouldn't hurt, but he seems to know enough about policy. Tennis DyNamiTe (sign here) 22:07, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Yep. -- Kicking222 22:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm Mailer Diablo and I approve this candidate! - 22:25, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Well reasoned replies to the questions, I can't see anything that would make me not trust you with the mop. As such, go for it! —— Eagle 101 (Need help?) 22:42, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. –Llama mansign here 23:00, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Cliche support. Trusted longterm contributor -- Samir धर्म 23:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Very Strong Support. Everything I've seen gives me nothing but confidence in Isotope23. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 23:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Qualified. S h a r k f a c e 2 1 7 01:11, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support a good candidate --Steve (Slf67) talk 01:26, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support-Answer to my question good, and good candidate. --TeckWizTalkContribs@ 02:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Mature, thoughtful debater and valuable contributor. -- Satori Son 02:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Definitely Support. SD31415 (SIGN HERE) 02:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- A Chlorine is strolling and meets a depressed Hydrogen. Cl: H, why are you so sad? H: I lost my electron! Cl: Are you sure?? H: I'm positive!! - crz crztalk 05:35, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not at all certain that that shouldn't merit a community ban. :) Joe 06:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Give him the mop Great answers. --Dweller 10:49, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Nothing witty to say. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MacGyverMagic (talk • contribs). - 12:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Good heavens, yes. | Mr. Darcy talk 15:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Of course. A great candidate.--Kchase T 16:33, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support--Rudjek 19:07, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Solid candidate. --Allen3 talk 19:54, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support a good user usualy makes a good admin. ---J.S (T/C/WRE) 21:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Joe I 22:23, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support (changed from neutral, I didn't read it as a joke before, I feel rather silly). No problems if that's counted as a joke. James086Talk | Contribs 02:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support --Extranet (Talk | Contribs) 05:53, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Easy support. One of the good guys. I was going to nominate Isotope myself, but obviously events have overtaken me. Guy (Help!) 17:16, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Looks like a solid candidate. No problems here, so Give-em-the-mopTM JungleCat Shiny!/Oohhh! 22:40, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Cbrown1023 00:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Zaxem 01:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Per JzG, was thinking about nominating but not much time Jaranda wat's sup 06:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per MGM... Joe 06:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Great contributor. utcursch | talk 11:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Great user, definitely qualified. Nishkid64 00:11, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- S. Support - Deserved. -- Szvest - Wiki me up ® 12:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, great user. the wub "?!" 18:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, positive contributor. -Will Beback · † · 21:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, solid record of positive contributions, while demonstrating an outstanding sensibility in answering question 4, 5, & 6. Isotope is going to make a great admin. --Matthew 17:35, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- 23Support ~ trialsanderrors 20:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support always reasonable in deletion discussions ˉˉanetode╦╩ 00:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Reasonable and positive contributor in both article and admin spaces. Mops ahoy~ Georgewilliamherbert 02:49, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. A positive and good candidate. INFORMATION CENTER© Talk Contribs 05:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Aksi_great (talk) 12:24, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Yessir. Support. —bbatsell ¿? 18:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support | AndonicO Talk · Sign Here 19:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Oppose per answer to question 8. If this person feels that this is at all a positive use of IAR, I do not trust him/her with the tools one bit. --badlydrawnjeff talk 01:30, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]I daresay that was meant in jest, rather than meant as an indication of what the user will do with admin-tools. --Deskana (request backup) 22:22, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]- If Badlydrawnjeff's only argument to oppose is a joke made almost three months ago, I am afraid it is likely his comment will be discounted for its ludicrousy. Yuser31415 22:44, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It'll likely be discounted because no one else seems to care. If it's a joke, I'm not sure I see where. --badlydrawnjeff talk 02:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I hope it's not too much of a faux pas to respond here, but Deskana is correct, that statement was intended to be tongue-in-cheek based on some of the other comments made in that DRV.--Isotope23 03:11, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I stand corrected, then, and apologise for misunderstanding it. If I can ask, then, did you still see a problem with the entire "letter v. spirit" thing? I simply want to make sure I'm understanding. --badlydrawnjeff talk 03:23, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- No need to apologize, I pretty specifically mentioned a DRV that I thought I had invoked WP:IAR at by name when I actually had not, which undoubtedly was confusing. I was answering that question from memory and apparently I've gotten to the point where my memory of specific edits is a bit faulty. As for Letter v. Spirit, I've stricken that as well because I don't think it applies in this case. I endorsed deletion there because I didn't see any evidence at the time that the AfD closure was out of process or incorrectly done. WP:IAR had nothing to do with it. Just for clarity sake, I can't think of a single instance where I would unilaterally justify deletion of an article under WP:IAR.--Isotope23 03:50, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Understood, thanks a bunch for the clarification. --badlydrawnjeff talk 04:04, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- No need to apologize, I pretty specifically mentioned a DRV that I thought I had invoked WP:IAR at by name when I actually had not, which undoubtedly was confusing. I was answering that question from memory and apparently I've gotten to the point where my memory of specific edits is a bit faulty. As for Letter v. Spirit, I've stricken that as well because I don't think it applies in this case. I endorsed deletion there because I didn't see any evidence at the time that the AfD closure was out of process or incorrectly done. WP:IAR had nothing to do with it. Just for clarity sake, I can't think of a single instance where I would unilaterally justify deletion of an article under WP:IAR.--Isotope23 03:50, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I stand corrected, then, and apologise for misunderstanding it. If I can ask, then, did you still see a problem with the entire "letter v. spirit" thing? I simply want to make sure I'm understanding. --badlydrawnjeff talk 03:23, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I hope it's not too much of a faux pas to respond here, but Deskana is correct, that statement was intended to be tongue-in-cheek based on some of the other comments made in that DRV.--Isotope23 03:11, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It'll likely be discounted because no one else seems to care. If it's a joke, I'm not sure I see where. --badlydrawnjeff talk 02:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Neutral Another "grippy back when" moment but I'm not a fan of self-noms. There is a part of me that wants to see an admin candidate "stand out" in their record of service--at least enough to warrant a nomination from another respected editor. (And yes, I similarly disdain "buddy nominations"). I'm also a tad partial to nominations from a respected admin since they know a bit of what character is needed to be a good admin. 205.157.110.11 10:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]- You don't seem to have a username; maybe you forgot to log in? Unfortunately, RfA is a vote, and therefore votes from non-logged-in users aren't counted, which is a shame, because your vote appears to be entirely serious and good faith. --ais523 12:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
- RfAs are not votes, sorry, but IPs can't voice their opinion; they are welcome to participate in the "Comments" and "Questions" sections. Yuser31415 19:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- You don't seem to have a username; maybe you forgot to log in? Unfortunately, RfA is a vote, and therefore votes from non-logged-in users aren't counted, which is a shame, because your vote appears to be entirely serious and good faith. --ais523 12:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Neutral per Badlydrawnjeff. IAR isn't used very often and this has probably drawn Isotope's attention so hopefully he will take care with it in future. Other than that there are no problems I'm aware of. James086Talk | Contribs 08:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)changed to support James086Talk | Contribs 02:58, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The above adminship discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the talk page of either this nomination or the nominated user). No further edits should be made to this page.
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Final (54/20/8) ending 23:57, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
AzaToth (talk · contribs) – Most of my time here, I usually try to help, so my count of genuine articles isn't the highest. The most I have done is wikifying articles and stub-sorting. Otherwise I have been most in template space, helping creating useful templates people want or might want (I sadly created a lot of controversy by creating {{qif}} etc...), and a lot in project space, for example writing and editing help pages at meta, closing at WP:TFD. I think personally that wikipedia could get more help from me if I got adminship. →AzaToth 23:39, 19 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: per selfnomination I accept. →AzaToth 23:57, 19 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support
- Of course. Thank you. --Ligulem 00:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Capable and worthy of our trust. Sarge Baldy 00:07, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Looks like a great administrator-to-be. Tutmosis 00:21, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. The nominee's low mainspace edit count is misleading because he contributes to articles indirectly by editing templates. Admin tools would help him because a lot of high-profile templates, including several that he has created, are protected. He will also likely show good judgement at WP:TFD, since he has plenty of experience with templates. There is no reason not to trust him with adminship. --TantalumTelluride 00:23, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 00:31, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Has made numerous exemplary herculean contributions. Great Wikipedian. --CBDunkerson 00:40, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Great # of contributions and a lot of contributions to the WP namespace. Keep up the editing! --J@red [T]/[+] 00:51, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Trustworthy user, specialist in template space, and we will all benefit from his having admin tools. Antandrus (talk) 00:52, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support specialized admins. Editor is a "god of templates", which makes him mop-worthy. I trust him not to use the mop in areas where he less familiar. I would like more thorough answers to the questions, though. Xoloz 00:56, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Robert McClenon 01:08, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong support. I think the template work has been extremely useful and even just the reason of wanting to edit protected pages is enough reason for me. AzaToth's behind-the-scenes work to improve Wikipedia and provide tools to that end are a bigger benefit to the project than one more administator concerned with debating policy. No reason to suspect he will abuse admin privledges, and adminship is no big deal, right? —Doug Bell talk•contrib 01:31, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support This user shows that he can be trusted. - Richardcavell 02:22, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I have very little to do with the template pages, but it looks like he's done good work there. JoshuaZ 02:39, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- --Jaranda wat's sup 02:56, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per TantalumTelluride and Richardcav. Joe 05:14, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Strongest possible support, absolutely great template editor and wonderful to work with. —Locke Cole • t • c 06:25, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, I see no problem with this user. JIP | Talk 07:28, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per Xoloz who always seems more capable at making my arguments than I am. Hiding talk 10:59, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Qif is protected anyway, so I suppose AT needs adminship to do his job! Good potential admin, in any case. haz (user talk) 14:10, 20 March 2006
- Support We need more admins. --Siva1979Talk to me 14:21, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Seems like this fellow has a genuine need for the tools, and that people trust him. It would be better if we could just hand him the ability to edit protected pages, but since we can't, well, I'm sure he won't abuse the other tools. --kingboyk 15:08, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support After further review of this candidate, I've decided to change my vote from "Oppose" to "Support". mmeinhart 17:29, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, for all his great template work. Kusma (討論) 19:44, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - I don't usually vote, but; AsaToth has good uses for the tools. Go to it. JesseW, the juggling janitor 21:52, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
- Support I see no evidence that this nominee will abuse his admin tools.--MONGO 00:50, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support good admin candidate --rogerd 02:20, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support no reason to believe AzaToth will abuse admin privilleges, also shows initiative in wanting to serve the project in such capacity. --Jay(Reply) 02:34, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - templates are just as important as articles, since most articles have templates. Mostly per kingboyk. -- Jjjsixsix (t)/(c) @ 03:05, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per above. --Khoikhoi 05:37, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Writing articles isn't for everyone. Doing amazing magic voodoo with templates isn't for everyone either, but it is for AzaToth. He's contributed a lot to Wikipedia on the meta-level, in places where it needs it, and the ability to edit protected templates would let him contribute even more. rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 07:35, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Grue 19:34, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Apparently a controversial nomination here... I don't quite get why though. Reasons given seem valid, user seems worthy. Give Carl the mop... Support ++Lar: t/c 21:37, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support --Latinus 23:13, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. per CBDunkerson, who has good opinions. Ëvilphoenix Burn! 03:20, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support --Terence Ong 09:06, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, perfectly valid reasons for requiring admin tools. Far more valid than the countless editors who breeze through RfA with 60+ supports and no opposes, gained by toeing the line, never being bold, taking care to always support other's RFAs (at least, until they become admins themselves), and doing virtually nothing in article space but vandalism reverting, which confers no more knowledge of article editing than AzaToth has. Proto||type 13:20, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Merits the mop. Matt Yeager ♫ (Talk?) 23:57, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per Xoloz. the wub "?!" 00:15, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I agree with CBDunkerson and Doug Bell. Template work is extremely important; at least as, if not more so, than main page edits. --Mmounties (Talk) 02:30, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - The fact that he does not want to use the admin tools extensively does not mean he should not have them. Admin powers will probably come in handy during the course of his template work - they'll be a tool for what he already does, not a new job. -- stillnotelf has a talk page 02:34, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - I Don't agree with any reason given by those who oppose his candidacy. His work is important. --hydkat 06:25, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support An oppose, for me at least, would be to underestimate AzaToth's hard work behind the scenes. Good candidate! - Wezzo (talk) (ubx) 08:45, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, looks like a very valuable user who could make good use of the tools. Leithp 09:23, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per rspeer and supporting useful, non-cookie-cutter candidates. No one objecting seems to have anything more strenuous to say than "299 article edits?!?!?", totally disregarding his otherspace edits. -- nae'blis (talk) 22:24, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Obviously a bit of a specialist in template space. Low article count in this context doesn't trouble me. Would definitely be an asset to WP with admin tools. Need to improve use of edit summaries though. --Cactus.man ✍ 12:51, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support: Editing protected templates seems like a good reason to me, and there's no evidence he'll misuse admin tools. TimBentley 16:56, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Seems trustworthy, needs admin tools to edit permanently protected templates, adminship is no big deal. Enjoy your mop. — Omegatron 00:12, 25 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support The inventor of {{qif}} should be able to continue its development, and the development of all protected templates. Plus, I don't see any way he could misuse adminship, so why not? --M@thwiz2020 00:18, 25 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support: helpful and friendly, even if I can't always follow him into the realms of template genius . HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 00:32, 25 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. I'm amazed with the low main namespace edit count, 'cause I remember seeing AzaToth here and there, but I still support per his answer to Q4 (myself also hardly being able to find any issues to write about). Misza13 T C 11:32, 25 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Locking templates to guard against mass vandalism, if nothing else, will be useful.--HereToHelp 03:20, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support -- This is not your average candidate. Please support this active and competent template editor; do not force him to make article edits outside of his competence in order to succeed at a later date. He's not entirely sure what he'll do with the tools, but I trust his good sense of workmanship. John Reid 05:31, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Just to clarify, he does know one thing he'll do with the tools: maintain the many templates he's created that are now indefinitely protected. That reason is enough for me. —Doug Bell talk•contrib 05:59, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support This user will use the admin. abilities to the good of Wikipedia and can be trusted with them. Jedi6-(need help?) 07:21, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Support; a lot of good work with templates, and he would do good work with the tools. Ral315 (talk) 21:46, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
- Come back when you want to actually DO something with admin tools - your answers below don't show any current desire of that type Cynical 00:11, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Well you are definitely living up to your username, care to give a less snide and rude reason to oppose? Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 00:31, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Everyone, please mind WP:CIVIL. Moe ε 01:01, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm sorry, but I hade some trouble formulate a good answer, I can try to reformulate me tomorrow, but now I have to go to sleep. →AzaToth 01:04, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry folks, this was not intended as an attack on AzaToth - quite the opposite, I think he's a great Wikipedian having read some of his talkpage contributions, I just don't see any intention to use admin tools to do anything in AzaToth's answers, therefore I don't see the point in awarding them Cynical 18:39, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Not enough actual article editing. Only 299 edits to main namespace. Low communication with other editors too. No clear-cut knowledge of policies shown. And his answers to the admin questions aren't very convincing either. Sorry, but IMO, you should retry when you become more involved as a whole on Wikipedia rather than based solely around template editing, although you're doing a fantastic job with that. :-) Moe ε 01:01, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Per Cynical, honestly these tools are to clean house, protected pages do not stay protected for long and there is no need to grant sysop rights just to edit them. Formulate new answers and I will revise my decision tomorow. Mike (T C) 01:19, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, you are incorrect about the length of protection in this case. There are dozens of templates which have been protected continuously for months now. Thus, admin access is fairly often a requirement for performing the sort of template work AzaToth does. It is amusing to note that there are several templates which he created that he now does not have the access to maintain. --CBDunkerson 02:27, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Just in case it's not been made clear elsewhere; certain templates will remain protected for a long time period in order to prevent one abusive edit causing serious problems across the 'pedia. Rob Church 21:04, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose While I do like his work on templates, and disposition, I feel he needs more mainspace edits. --Masssiveego 01:28, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Your answers to the questions are a bit weak and vague. In question one, you don't indicate why you feel the ability to edit protected articles is important. And given that you don't edit too many articles in the first place, I'm not sure why you would need that. joturner 01:49, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Note that many of the template pages are protected. Needing to edit protected pages doesn't imply a need to edit protected article pages. Plus, many of the protected templates are permanently protected. —Doug Bell talk•contrib 01:54, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I didn't think of that. But I still believe the answers are weak overall and thus am staying with Oppose. joturner 04:39, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Note that many of the template pages are protected. Needing to edit protected pages doesn't imply a need to edit protected article pages. Plus, many of the protected templates are permanently protected. —Doug Bell talk•contrib 01:54, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose not enough article edits, question answers are woolly.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 02:29, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose. Sorry, but a big no for me. Self-nom is usually a minus, and you have very few article edits. Also, as said above, your question answers are quite shaky and short. Weatherman90 03:07, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per Moe ε. Of the 299, a large portion are stub sorting and reversions, too. ×Meegs 05:23, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose strongly per above and more. -- Netoholic @ 08:14, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per Moe - Aksi great 12:21, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose: Sorry, but 300 edits to the main article space don't show enough experience. Please keep building the encyclopedia, using an edit summary every time, and in time this will come. Jonathunder 23:42, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Sorry you have not yet met my minimum standards.Changing vote to support. mmeinhart 16:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per Jonathunder - with thanks for all the hard work on the templates - just not enough yet in all facets of wikipedia for me to support Trödel 03:02, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose. Need nore article edits. 69% of edit summary usage looks not high enough to me.--Jusjih 03:14, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose for edit summaries and count. -Mask 03:10, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose, nowhere near enough edits in main article space, and concerns about edit summaries. Stifle 15:20, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per Moe. Sarah Ewart (Talk) 02:09, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- (switched to neutral)
Fantastic template editor, but you need more experience in other editing spaces. To produce less than 400 edits in mainspace and expect admiship is an bit of an insult to other, more active editors with edit counts that would make one's eyes water. -ZeroTalk 21:11, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- (switched to neutral)
- Oppose per Moe and Megaman Zero. Jayjg (talk) 22:11, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per Moe. –Joke 03:06, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Very Strong Oppose. Meets most of my requirements but has <500 main edits (article edits) I mean really. What's the point of supporting someone with <500 main edits and yet she has >1000 template and >900 project edits. Comment:EDIT A LOT MORE!!!! CrnaGora (Talk | Contribs | E-mail) 05:25, 25 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Your question was answered in the discussion that has been taking place on this page (see comments). Perhaps you didnt' read them before casting your vote? --Mmounties (Talk) 18:50, 26 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Oppose lack of mainspace edits. Computerjoe's talk 20:14, 25 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
- Neutral Despite his great contributions to templates which helps the project, less than 300 edits and the answers to the q's below need to be improved upon. GizzaChat © 06:26, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral Agree with DaGizza. Just short of my Yes vote criteria--Looper5920 08:58, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral In all honesty I thought AzaToth was already an admin, and I don't see any real reason to oppose. However, the answers to the questions below cause me to 'vote' neutral. Prodego talk 20:17, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Perhaps later. - Mailer Diablo 13:50, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral. His work on templates is breathtaking, and he's made it much easier for the rest of us. However, he is not a very active user in terms of article space edits. --May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 16:01, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, I'm afraid.Changed to neutral. Weak answers to questions, rather cliché nomination and he doesn't have enough main or Wikipedia namespace edits; interaction in either area is important to my mind. Rob Church 14:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]- As this here is a discussion about giving Carl the sysop bit (and not a mere voting), I'll deposit some of my thoughts about your opposition. As you are one of the developers you have a good understanding of the technical matter that relates to this candidacy. Therefore you have a bit a higher responsibility when stating your opinion. As you are one of the "hidden" opposers of qif, I assume your bad faith here in opposing Carl. Instead of having taken part in the discussion at WP:AUM you appear on the RFA's opposing admin candidates that have an opinion which does not conform to yours. You guys have tried to fight against that qif, but you have failed. On the en Wikipedia more than 100'000 articles depend indirectly on qif today. This is a fact. You can oppose wherever you want and be against whoever you want, qif will not vanish by this. As you obviously believe the damage that Carl would do with the sysop bit to Wikipedia outweighs his potential benefit, I assume you will put qif on your watchlist and take care of it personally, as your are better suited for this task. You are responsible for it, due to the fact that you hinder attempts to effectively protect qif. Ah, yes, I forgot, that's one of the arguments of the qif opposers, the vandal vector. Really great. Good luck! --Ligulem 17:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Outrageous. I don't like meta-templates, but I don't care, either. I oppose candidates who I feel do not demonstrate qualities suitable to be an administrator. This response shows an appalling lack of good faith. I do not oppose people on the basis of their opinions and never have done. I am rather angered that anyone could consider that to be the case, and I am frankly appalled at the thoroughly foul attitude of this response, and I am appalled at your childish and rude tone. I would like an apology. Rob Church 18:34, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- "You are responsible for it due to the fact that you hinder attempts to effectively protect [it]." What a load of bollocks. I re-read your comment and now I am angry. You are completely out of order. Rob Church 18:38, 21 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- As this here is a discussion about giving Carl the sysop bit (and not a mere voting), I'll deposit some of my thoughts about your opposition. As you are one of the developers you have a good understanding of the technical matter that relates to this candidacy. Therefore you have a bit a higher responsibility when stating your opinion. As you are one of the "hidden" opposers of qif, I assume your bad faith here in opposing Carl. Instead of having taken part in the discussion at WP:AUM you appear on the RFA's opposing admin candidates that have an opinion which does not conform to yours. You guys have tried to fight against that qif, but you have failed. On the en Wikipedia more than 100'000 articles depend indirectly on qif today. This is a fact. You can oppose wherever you want and be against whoever you want, qif will not vanish by this. As you obviously believe the damage that Carl would do with the sysop bit to Wikipedia outweighs his potential benefit, I assume you will put qif on your watchlist and take care of it personally, as your are better suited for this task. You are responsible for it, due to the fact that you hinder attempts to effectively protect qif. Ah, yes, I forgot, that's one of the arguments of the qif opposers, the vandal vector. Really great. Good luck! --Ligulem 17:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral. pschemp | talk 15:07, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Fantastic template editor, but you need more experience in other editing spaces. To produce less than 400 edits in mainspace and expect admiship is an bit of an insult to other, more active editors with edit counts that would make one's eyes water. Changed to neutral, I find the canidate's calm attitude and honest nature sastisfying. I understand his qualm about not contributing to mainspace.-ZeroTalk 16:42, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
- Edit summary usage: 69% for major edits and 69% for minor edits. Based on the last 150 major and 100 minor edits in the article namespace. Mathbot 00:00, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- See AzaToth's edit count and contribution tree with Interiot's tool.
- I would ask everyone not to apply the usual 'cookie cutter' standards to this candidate. No, he is not an exact clone of every other admin... but he is an outstanding Wikipedian. People looking at 'main space edits' should consider that templates created or updated by AzaToth are used in hundreds of thousands of main space pages. No, he doesn't spend alot of time editing articles, but because of the templates his work is probably used in more articles than that of any other Wikipedian. Our admins should not all have to contribute in the same ways... often it is the ones who contribute in ways others do not who are the most valuable. --CBDunkerson 02:40, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I completely agree with CBDunkerson—in fact, if I applied my own standards for adminship, I would vote oppose. However, AzaToth's work with templates has been a great enabler and provided fantastic examples for my own work with templates. I think the issue with adminship rests on two questions that each editor needs to decide when voting:
- Can the user be trusted to use admin powers responsibly and for the good of the encyclopedia?
- Are granting admin privileges to the user going to benefit the encyclopedia?
- For me, the clear answer to both questions is yes. (Note that while I've had no direct interactions with the nominee, this is the first nominee that I've given strong support because the work he has done has been of such a great benefit and it is valuable in large part precisely because it is different than what most editors are doing.) —Doug Bell talk•contrib 08:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I completely agree with CBDunkerson—in fact, if I applied my own standards for adminship, I would vote oppose. However, AzaToth's work with templates has been a great enabler and provided fantastic examples for my own work with templates. I think the issue with adminship rests on two questions that each editor needs to decide when voting:
- Comment I have changed my vote from "oppose" to "support" mainly in light of the proceeding comments made by User:Doug Bell. mmeinhart 19:14, 20 March 2006 (UTC) [reply]
- Seems like those citing "minimum standards" and edit counts in the "main space" are making quite arbitrary judgements. If those same minimum standards were applied to editing on templates and template talk pages, almost no sysops would be qualified to carry the mop. Therefore, they are very lop-sided. AzaToth has an interest in templates. He has not completely ignored the rest of Wikipedia, but he has an interest in templates and that's what he's good at. Most current sysops, and most of those who voted here so far, have an interest in writing articles, editing articles and discussing them. AzaToth has an interest to work on templates, edit them and discuss them on the Template talk pages. So please explain to me, what makes the contributor better who has an interest in military history, and who will therefore automatically accumulate all those "main space" edits that satisfy the so often quoted minimum standards, but who pretty much ignored template work alltogether, what, prey tell, makes him more qualified than the contributor who's project page is not Military History or German Translations but rather Templates, and who has therefore contributed mainly to templates while, by the way, still accumulating a fair number of edits in the main space? Those minimum standards are worrysome, to say the least. More so, I dare say, they're discriminatory. They say that article editors are better and worth more than those who do work on the infrastructure that is used in all those articles. Therefore, please take note: Template work affects all the other -spaces in the pedia. Yes, all of them. It should therefore count at least as much as edits to the main space. --Mmounties (Talk) 03:39, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- For my part I guess I'm putting faith in the 'crat that closes this to see that main-space article edits is the only significant objection of just about every oppose vote, yet AzaToth is not requesting adminship to preside over article space matters. His request is mostly narrowly focused on obtaining the tools he needs to best continue his valuable and somewhat unique contributions to the encyclopedia. So in deciding whether to grant the mop, the oppose votes do not need to be discounted, but rather, the issue needs to be decided whether AzaToth's narrowly focused request for adminship is worthy of granting privileges that are "no big deal". Nobody has raised any concerns about whether AzaToth is trustworthy, nor whether he does good work that benefits the 'pedia. So the question is simply whether or not adminship should be granted for the narrow purpose of furthering AzaToth's template work, not one of his worthiness to weild the mop for that purpose. —Doug Bell talk•contrib 06:45, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Outrageous. I hate these sorts of quibbles with people's objections. I know these comments are not targeted exclusively at my vote, but for me lack of mainspace edits is not a problem if I see strong evidence of needing administrator tools or clear evidence that the user is thoughtful and unlikely to abuse admin tools (either with prior experience mediating conflicts, thoughtful answers to RfA questions, or demonstrated prior experience with policy issues). I don't see this here. I am convinced, based on the numerous support votes here, that AzaToth is a great editor, but I stand by my vote (per Moe and Rob Church's neutral vote). To say that it all reduces to mainspace edits is rubbish. –Joke 21:28, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't know if you were directing your outrageous remark at me, but I wasn't quibbling with people's objections, and in fact said that they should not be discounted. I just think it's not an issue at this point with how many more people don't think that AzaToth doesn't have enough article edits—heck, I don't think he does either for general-purpose admining. I think the question is whether his non-article purpose is valid, which obviously I'm swayed by. —Doug Bell talk•contrib 21:41, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I fully agree with Doug. AzaToth's not asking for sysop tools to start banning people and get involved in sorting out revert wars. From what I read between the lines, he'd run for dear life before getting into anything like that. Main space edits are a fairly good indicator for sysops that work in updating and adding articles. The point I was trying to make is, you can't measure a specialist by the rules you apply to generalists (i.e., editors in the encyclopedia). That would be tantamount to requiring the applicant for a Chief Financial Officer position at a hospital to go to medical school and get an MD first. It would be nonsense because he doesn't need a medical degree but rather experience in the field of finance. Same thing here. It just doesnt' make sense to apply the same measuring stick to a template specialist that would be perfectly fine if applied to a generalist. Along the same lines, our RfA questions are really geared toward main space editors. Therefore it doesn't surprise me that AzaToth's answers don't sound particularly great to many who have read them. - AzaToth needs sysop tools to do his work on templates. That's the bottom line. And that's why he should get them. --Mmounties (Talk) 23:50, 25 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't know if you were directing your outrageous remark at me, but I wasn't quibbling with people's objections, and in fact said that they should not be discounted. I just think it's not an issue at this point with how many more people don't think that AzaToth doesn't have enough article edits—heck, I don't think he does either for general-purpose admining. I think the question is whether his non-article purpose is valid, which obviously I'm swayed by. —Doug Bell talk•contrib 21:41, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia in this capacity. Please take the time to answer a few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
- 1. What sysop chores, if any, would you anticipate helping with? Please check out Category:Wikipedia backlog, and read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.
- A. I often read the administrators noticeboards, and even if I can't do anything, I usually find it relevant to know what's going on. I have closed a couple of discussions on TFD, so it's logical that I continue my work on such areas (MFD and TFD mostly, or perhaps AFD also).
- Because I have a somewhat good insight into how mediawiki works, I think my work here would benefit from being able to edit protected pages (templates and mediawiki space for example).
- Otherwise I would probably do the usual RC-patrol and simlar to protect and unprotect pages as needed for the wikipedia to function optimally.
- 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?
- A. As stated, my edit count in the main space isn't the highest, this is mostly because I have usually worked behind the scene, trying to improve for others. One other reason for the relatively low edit count there could be that I usually have a problem finding anything to write about, perhaps this is psycological, but I always think that what I could write about is non-notable. If I have to choose, I would say that I helped some at Leet and Jamtlandic.
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A. I'm not foolproof, for example when WP:AUM was hot, I sadly found myself in conflict with others, as I tried to explain my point of view on technical grounds, I felt that no one listened. But luckly I managed to calm down, and let the time have it's pace (I don't know what I just wrote here, but...). The best way to avoid conflicts is to ignore yourself, and try to look at the problem in a such objective way as possible. So now sometimes, even if my inner ego assumes bad faith, I'll try to force my mind to assume the opposite.
- 4. Some editors in this RfA have expressed concern over a lack of mainspace edits. Do you have any specific response to those concerns? Thanks, JoshuaZ 22:28, 23 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- A. I can understand those concerns, and I'll try to explain. The main reason is that I have had trouble finding specific issues to write about. My area of expertise is computer science, and because of some reason, there are already a lot of data in that area, finding anything new to write about I find rather tricky. Perhaps I could write a lot about Perl etc... but I don't know if people want such articles.
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the talk page of either this nomination or the nominated user). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a successful request for adminship. Please do not modify it.
Final (56/4/5); Ended Tue, 16 Jan 2007 14:31:48 UTC
Night Gyr (talk · contribs) -- I've been editing Wikipedia on and off since late 2004. My first logged-in edit was taking a stub tag off an article that had grown long enough to warrant it, and that's set something of a pattern for what I've done ever since. I tend to make small edits here and there, rewriting the occasional flawed article, adding sources, tagging things that need fixing, or grabbing a few articles out of a backlog to clean up or delete. My main goal here is to refine wikipedia and increase the overall quality level. Along the way, I've nominated a number of articles for deletion, some of which were rather controversial, but I believe that we should have broad inclusion here, as long as it meets basic encyclopedic standards (the big three of WP:V, WP:NOR, and WP:NPOV). I've tried to follow those closely with the articles that I've created, and instill them in other editors. Looking back, I've apparently uploaded a couple of featured pictures, created or contributed to some articles that made it to "did you know?", and gotten involved in policy debates that I hope to push wikipedia in a better direction. The above is not a complete record of what I've done here, but even I don't remember everything I've done here. I'm asking for the buttons today mainly because every once in a while I come to pages that need moving, or protection or unprotection or just deletion, and I'd rather keep those backlogs clearer instead of filling them up. I want to keep this place clean and sharp as a source for knowledge. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 06:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here: N/A, self-nom
- Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia in this capacity. Please take the time to answer a few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:
- 1. What sysop chores do you anticipate helping with? Please check out Category:Wikipedia backlog and Category:Administrative backlog, and read the page about administrators and the administrators' reading list.
- A: I've done everything from images and copyright violations to newpage patrol and AFDs in the past, so I expect to keep on wandering in the future, although it'll be more comforting to me to know that I can help clean out CSDs and xFDs.
- 2. Of your articles or contributions to Wikipedia, are there any with which you are particularly pleased, and why?
- A: Every time I get a DYK, it gives me a little special feeling on the inside. We're here to take every piece of knowledge* and put it in one place for everyone to find. To find interesting facts--Patience Dabany was the First Lady of Gabon and a successful recording artist, Scott Helvenston was on Man vs. Beast before he was killed in Iraq, the intriguing stories of Wesley Autrey or Gerald Washington--that would otherwise just slip away, and then to cross-reference them with the sort of detail that's possible here, is a great thing. USS Firebolt (PC-10) is exactly the sort of dense ball of facts that I love to create and think we need more of.
- *I define knowledge strictly--information that we can verify to be true, that isn't just a directory entry or in-universe tidbit.
- Actually, I just remembered that I left off my favorite editing experience of all time (yeah yeah). On Timber, the layout was getting screwed up by the numerous pictures and tables, and NaOH (talk · contribs) had just made a bunch of changes. I modified the layout and copyedited his work, and explained the layout issues on his talk page. We had a pretty rapid conversation back and forth on talk pages, working out the issues of a complex layout that had to look right on multiple displays, and ended up with a page that was satisfactory to both of us. When the other person not only sees it your way, but likes the result just as much as you do, that's building consensus.
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A: I've encountered Anthony Appleyard (talk · contribs) a few times, and ran into trouble when he didn't seem to understand the basic policies on what articles should and should not be, especially over the inclusion of what was essentially a how-to guide in Oxy-fuel welding and cutting. I tried to bring in other voices with an RfM (seeing that RfC required two separate users, and not realizing that was only for user-based disputes), but that sort of fizzled out and I decided that there were a million other articles to work on, so I didn't need to fret over that one.
Optional questions from RiseRobotRise
- IAR means that the letter of the rules isn't as important as the spirit of the encyclopedia. It says to ignore all rules in order to make wikipedia better, and to determine whether something makes the encyclopedia better, you can't ignore what wikipedia is supposed to be. The fundamentals, that wikipedia is a *free* *encyclopedia*, with a neutral point of view and verifiable information, are the things that we're reaching for when making this place better. Guidelines are meant to steer us in this direction, but sometimes they get silly (the secondary provisions of our notability guidelines are regularly mocked in the media). IAR means that none of the rules are as important as the encyclopedia, not that you can do anything you want, but that you can do things that make it better without worrying about signing off in triplicate.
- Snowball is there to streamline bureaucracy in the same way. It needs to be applied narrowly, though, because it's not about the closer's opinion, it's a matter of consensus. If there's legitimate dispute, the process should run so that all parties can at least feel they've had their fair shot, even if they disagree with the outcome. The GNAA article's history has shown the problems with misapplied speedy closes. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 07:37, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Optional questions from Malber (talk · contribs)
- 5. What are the five pillars of Wikipedia and why are they important?
- A: We're (ideally) a neutral and objective encyclopedia available as free content and created through good faith and consensus. The first two define what we include and how we write it. We're not all things to all people; we're not an authority or exhaustive data dump; we're just an encyclopedia that doesn't need to limit itself. The third is distribution--we want others to be able to use what we write and spread the knowledge. The last two are more about how we make the sausage. Assume good faith, aim for the first three, write some guidelines if they help, and hope for the best.
- 6. Why is wheel warring a bad idea and what steps should be taken to avoid it?
- A: A revert is a symptom of a disagreement. Sometimes it's legitimate, like when a user makes a mistaken or clueless edit or an admin takes a mistaken action. For it to turn into a war, at least one party has to give up the basic principles of good faith and consensus-building discussion that wikipedia is founded on. Reverts of admin actions should be accompanied by an explanation, and if the explanation is unsatisfactory, resolution will only come through discussion, not a wheel war. Admins shouldn't be afraid to reverse things they percieve as flawed (an unjustified block for example), but if they can't convince other parties to see things their way, it's better to recognize that consensus just happens to disagree with you on this point.
- 7. Who has the authority to ban users?
- A: We don't do punitive blocks here, we stop people from editing to prevent them from doing damage. If a person represents an obvious threat of disruption in a widespread manner that isn't likely to abate, then it's logical to ban them from editing entirely. The arbcom and jimbo have the authority to level these kinds of judgements, but I'd consider community bans, like speedy deletion for articles, a more limited sort of consensus decision that a person is an obviously and unambiguously harmful presence on the encyclopedia. If a community banned person shows up with a sock puppet but only makes constructive edits, then the ban is the kind of rule we should ignore. If they're mixed in their contributions, writing constructively but causing other problems, more nuanced remedies are necessary.
Optional question (or questions) from �� Eagle 101 (Need help?)
- 8. As Wikipedia grows, and its search engine ranking increases, this is causing some people to use Wikipedia for search engine optimization, and to generally promote their website. Spam has almost doubled in little over 2 months. This information was derived from watching Linkwatcher's (IRC bot) output as it sits in #wikipedia-spam, a channel on the freenode IRC network. The core policies and guidelines dealing with spam are WP:SPAM, WP:EL, and WP:RS. An open ended question, what is your view on how severe spam is, and why? What is the purpose of External Links? Should we be allowing every myspace, youtube, blogspot, ect links into Wikipedia, Or should our standards be a bit higher then that? If so, how high?
- A: Most of the articles I've edited have been fairly free of linkspam, so I'll have to admit that it hasn't seemed to be much of a problem to me so far. I've removed plenty of commercial and irrelevant links, but it's never seemed to be an overwhelming flood. Our basic standards are to link to pages that offer worthwhile, relevant resources. The three you listed are relevant in some cases, such as when a band or company or individual has its own page, like Blendtec or Ok Go or Prokofy Neva. It's not a problem for standards when you're doing essentially the same as linking to the company's own website. The problems arise when links are to resources that are of inferior quality or irrelevant, but these standards apply regardless of the commercial nature of the target site. If it's unreliable and hard to get information out of, it doesn't matter if that's because it has ads or because it's just crap. I've seen some overzealous link removal related to Encyclopedia of Earth come up on the village pump lately, so I'd hope that people will consider every link on its own merits, rather than tarring useful ones as spam. I think our standard should be the marginal value of each link to the reader, its benefit vs. the clutter and the time taken to follow and read it.
Optional Question(s) from S h a r k f a c e 2 1 7 06:07, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- 8.Do you believe it is proper to ask a candidate for RFA their age? Would the age of an RFA candidate affect your decision to vote for them? Should age be at all taken into account when voting for a prospective admin or should the user be judged solely on the quality of their contributions to Wikipedia?
- A. I've never supplied or asked for any contributer's age on wikipedia. I've seen middle aged men act as immature as 13-year-olds, and at least 10% of our featured pictures came from one user who had yet to turn 18. Sure, there's a correlation between age and maturity; I see it in myself looking back, but we judge editors on their maturity. I've personally known someone who porting linux to the ipaq in middle school, and another who's in college at 15 and has been an administrator on wikipedia for months if not years now. On the other hand, these are exceptional folks and there are a lot of impetuous teenagers I wouldn't trust with the power to block hastily and set off a media frenzy.
Optional question by Betacommand
- 9 As an Admin, It is often your job to review blocks placed by other admins. I am interested in knowing how you would resolve this unblock request.
- Betacommand (Talk | contribs) blocked "Triplemoonsexotic (contribs)" with an expiry time of indefinite (Please read our our username policy and choose another name. {{usernameblock}})
- The user emails you with the following
- From: Triplemoonsexotic (**** AT triplemoonsexotic DOT com)
- I would like to know why I was banned as soon as I setup an account...
- "Your account or IP address has been blocked from editing. You were blocked by Betacommand for the following reason (see our blocking policy): Please read our our username policy and choose another name
- Your IP address is xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx."
- Please explain why I placed the block and how you would deal with the unblock request.
- My response would be, roughly: "You are not banned from editing on Wikipedia, in fact, your contributions are welcome. However, the username policy at wikipedia prohibits the use of a username that promotes a company or organization. Your choice of username seems to be promoting your business, and so that account was blocked. You're welcome to register a different name, as long as it is not promotional or otherwise in violation of the username policy, which can be read at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:USERNAME" This block is legitimate, although I wouldn't have jumped on it myself, since it's not like he used 'buy lizards from us!' or something so blatant. Let him rereg another, but if someone blocks his new account for sockpuppetry (as I have heard tales of), then we have a serious problem. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 20:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- they respond:
- No kidding...I own that ___domain, as well as triplemoonsdesign.com, leopardgeckoregistry.com, doverjazz.com, keystoneexoticssupply.com...
- Owning a ___domain name should not get me banned without cause. I did not violate any rules. It should not have been assumed that I was a spammer. It was rude and uncalled for.
- FYI, I use triplemoonsexotic for pretty much every login I have. People know me by my business name.
- Please remove the ban.
- How do you respond?
- they respond:
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Betacommand (talk • contribs) 03:50, 11 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]
- Like I said before, I wouldn't have blocked him in the first place (the name isn't obviously an advertisement unless you google it and find the business), so it gets a little awkward to be speaking from the position of already having issued a block. Checking with the original blocking admin would let me know if there was some history, such as a known past spammer, but without other reason, I'd probably let him off the block with a warning to refrain from advertising his business. The ban on such usernames is meant to stop spammers, and if he's going to be a good-faith contributor, google confirms his story by turning up a number of postings on forums that have the same name and aren't just shills for his site. It's not the same as advertising ("Drink Coca-Cola!"), and more like User:USSTRATCOM PAO, who's been a productive contributor to articles related to his organization. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 04:13, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Given that the preceding has become such a contentious issue, I'd like to quote from a piece of WP:USERNAME that reflects my own view: "Admins should not block usernames that may have been chosen in good faith. We do not want to scare off good contributors." Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 20:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- General comments
- See Night Gyr's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.
Discussion
Support
- I've seen you, I've seen your work, your answers are satisfactory, and I would trust you with the tools. --tjstrf talk 06:52, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes!!!!!! JorcogaYell! 06:55, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weird, I swear I've seen you up for RFA before. Clich� moment. – Chacor 09:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Good and responsible contributor. Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, good user. Kusma (討論) 10:18, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak support - can be trusted with admin tools, edits are great, but I would like to make a few comments. Your 'serious' activity started quite recently, but this should be OK as it appears you have the experience. I'd like to see a bit more on posting warnings on talk pages for vandals (I didn't see too many on the user contributions page, if you did do so, then sorry).
I also didn't see anything to WP:AIV. But overall, I can trust this candidate, which is mainly what this is all about. Insanephantom (please comment on my Editor Review!) 11:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]- If you read the candidate's answer to q1, or his nomination, you'll find that there isn't a single mention of wanting the tools to fight vandalism. That's fair, not everyone is a vandal fighter, you can't really ask someone who isn't a vandal fighter to use WP:AIV, can you? – Chacor 11:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Okay. To be fair, I canceled that comment. Insanephantom (please comment on my Editor Review!) 12:18, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- If you read the candidate's answer to q1, or his nomination, you'll find that there isn't a single mention of wanting the tools to fight vandalism. That's fair, not everyone is a vandal fighter, you can't really ask someone who isn't a vandal fighter to use WP:AIV, can you? – Chacor 11:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - a trusted user --BigDT 12:52, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Edits are good, answers are good, no problems with this one. --Wizardman 14:09, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Have seen this user before and have a good impression — Lost(talk) 14:58, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, I think he will use the tools responsibly.--Isotope23 15:23, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - We've interacted, and I have only positive recollections of that. Definitely seems like the kind of guy who would be more productive with an admin mop. John Broughton | Talk 15:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support looks good.-- danntm T C 15:45, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. A level-headed user whom I trust not to abuse the tools. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ragesoss (talk • contribs)
- Support I don't see any problems with this application. (aeropagitica) 16:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Great answers to the questions, seems qualified. Complete trust with the tools.Ganfon 16:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - impressive candidate. Moreschi Deletion! 17:43, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support - looks good, and experience with images --T-rex 17:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong support - okay, this user should be an admin (and I thought he already was!). Yuser31415 18:07, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Answers indicate Night Gyr has a similar approach to adminship as I do, which obviously I approve of. Roving from task to task over time is a good way to avoid burnout and actually enjoy admin work, and a clear understanding of IAR is very good. Seems reasonable in my observations of him around Wikipedia, should make a good admin. --W.marsh 18:18, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support solid, balanced contributions, good answers. What's not to like? Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:12, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support.--H�s�nd 21:37, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Good answers to questions. I think I've seen you up for RFA before too... Tennis DyNamiTe (sign here) 22:07, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support a good candidate --Steve (Slf67) talk 22:28, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support no reason not to. ← ANAS Talk? 23:40, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support -good candidate and great answers to questions
- Support Joe I 23:43, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Nothing seems wrong. -Amarkov blahedits 01:00, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Good answers, good user, good candidate. =) Nishkid64 01:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support well rounded candidate with a good history of contributions. Answers indicate a good understanding of Wikipedia policy.�~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 01:26, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Very good answers; I think I'll take notes... ;-) | AndonicO Talk | Sign Here 01:39, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Answers indicate a well rounded genuine candidate who understands fully the areas of adminship he wishes to take on. Depth and experience have been shown with pertinent links to relevant examples, and I fully support this nomination despite having yet to encounter this user in the course of my own editingCaissa's DeathAngel 01:51, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Answered the questions well. I think Andrew Levine (talk · contribs) over-reacted. James086Talk | Contribs 03:18, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Excellent answers, also per James^. Alex43223 Talk | Contribs | E-mail | C 05:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Insert standard thought you were....... cliché here Khukri (talk . contribs) 08:30, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak support Have seen you around and mostly been impressed, but I was shocked by your answer to Q1. IMHO it's one of the weakest answers I've seen. Swayed to support by remembering that "adminship is no big deal" and ultimately, I trust you with the tools, even if you've not really convinced me you need them. --Dweller 16:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm curious about what you're looking for here. I'd like to help clear some backlogs (CSD gets big when I'm on); I don't have any five year plans for wikiediting. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 20:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Well this is unusual, explaining a support !vote to the candidate, but if you review your answer to Q1, the first half implies no need for the tools and the second half a kind of lackadaisical "oh and if I come across a problem I might help out" kind of attitude, that I (and, it seems others) think thoroughly misrepresents your genuine passion for and ability to improve this project. To be harsh, we don't hand out the mop to "comfort" you. IMHO Q1 is far and away the most important question on a RfA and my support !vote was only because I respect what you've done here. It's ironic, because it's not too hard to come up with a decent Q1 answer. In short, I think your answer was unworthy of your calibre. Happy to discuss further on my talk page - I don't want to clutter up what will be a very successful RfA. --Dweller 20:52, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak support per Dweller. --tennisman sign here!
- Weak support per Dweller. I would be leaning (or !voting even) neutral, were it not for the "I thought was admin alreadyitis" infecting me right now... Suggest candidate revises answer to Q1. Martinp23 19:50, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support answers demonstrate knowledge of policy and levelheadedness. -- Renesis (talk) 20:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support: Looks pretty clear to me. Oppose reasons below are biased (self-admittedly so), unpersuasive, and speak more to a lack of WP:PROD familiarity than civility problems. —Wknight94 (talk) 02:00, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support by the above + consistently brings thoughtful reasonable rationales on AfD showing good understanding of policy (random recent example). Pascal.Tesson 04:57, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Nothing causes me any concern about this nominee. Agent 86 06:45, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I see no big problems with this user. >Radiant< 09:29, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, good user, and particularly for dealing with a worthless and deliberately leading question with no right answer other than the one the questioner wanted to see (which is the wrong answer) with good grace and good sense. Proto::► 10:54, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. I withdraw my previous oppose as I am persuaded by the candidate's explanation on delldot's TalkPage. Per Proto, I now support for his valiant effort to deal with a question intended from the outset to catch him out. Simply having one's ___domain name as a user name is not the same thing as having a Username that promote a company or website, especially where the company is not well know. In any event the policy says using company names as usernames is discouraged not prohibited. Without evidence of the sig being used in a spamming manner, I think Night Gyr is correct to assume good faith on the user's part. I am convinced he will make a good admin. WJBscribe (WJB talk) 19:20, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Gyr knows what he is doing, excellent user. Arjun 22:06, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. While Gyr is lacking in knowledge in some areas (Who can ban, for instance), Gyr shows a willingness to learn ad accept criticism. I think he'll do a good job. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 23:32, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support: No major problems with this user. SD31415 (SIGN HERE) 02:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong support. I've seen this user in several places and am impressed with his work. Opposition is quite weak. — CharlotteWebb 05:09, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - I gotta admit, I think the diplomatic answer to betacommand's loaded question is excellent and I'm a bit mystified by the currently stated opposition.--Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 18:45, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support--Rudjek 19:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, prodding Space warfare in fiction was not the greatest call, but no real concerns. Christopher Parham (talk) 20:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. the wub "?!" 23:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Kafziel Talk 23:55, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support --Walter Siegmund (talk) 04:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support — I have seen Night Gyr around often, particularly over in WP:FPC. I think everything that needs to be said about Night already has, so I'll just leave my full support and be on my way. ♠ SG →Talk 09:50, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, seems level headed and with trustworthy judgment. Dragomiloff 03:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
- Oppose, Based on this: "We're here to take every piece of knowledge and put it in one place for everyone to find." Even with the caveats that unverifiable information, "directory entries," and "in-universe tidbits" do not count as knowledge, this is a dangerous attitude that will ultimately harm the project if allowed to proliferate. Simply accumulating facts, without exercising discretion regarding what is pertinent to an article and isn't, is not the way to build an encyclopedia. Andrew Levine 00:49, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wait, what? Where does he say that he does not intend for facts to go in relevant articles? If you're opposing based on WP:NOT#INDISCRIMINATE, he points out multiple instances where he has nominated articles that did not consistent of what he considered useful knowledge for deletion. --tjstrf talk 01:05, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Not everything belongs in every article; each article has a pertinent level of detail. Of course discriminate in order to focus on the more important parts. We use subarticles and summary style to dive into greater depth. For example, we have hundreds, if not thousands of pages covering every aspect of World War II, from the bullets used and the battles fought to the german postwar resistance that became a historical footnote until it was referenced again in political debates half a century later. We don't put all this information in every article, and distillation to a summary is important, but I'm talking about the scope of the project, not the scope of any one article. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 01:18, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- "but I'm talking about the scope of the project, not the scope of any one article." But this is the whole point; is there a limit to the level of detail that the project as a whole should plumb? For example, relating again to World War II, should we incude biographical information on every single man who fought in the war, for whom reliable sources can be found? If you agree that this would be foolish, and that there are limits to how detailed the project should be even when dealing with verifiable facts, simply amend the initial statement that I quoted, and I will support. Andrew Levine 01:59, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Of course, we're not going to index the life stories of every person who fought in WWII. The problem is not the scale, though, it's that the reader wouldn't learn anything from it. "ok, so this guy was born, fought, and died." The kind of articles that make no claim to notability and deserve to be a7'd. I'd say the limit is where we stop being educational and start getting trivial. The point of a tertiary source is to summarize knowledge, not to duplicate its sources. But if the individual has a genuine, detailed story, documented in secondary sources, we ought to include it. We've got thousands of articles on ships because we have great resources to tell us their stories. If we had a DANFS for people, we could stand to have a lot more articles on them. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 02:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- With all due respect to Andrew Levine, I feel like opposing on this basis is like campaigning for de-sysoping Jimbo for his "sum of all human knowledge" quote. Pascal.Tesson 04:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Of course, we're not going to index the life stories of every person who fought in WWII. The problem is not the scale, though, it's that the reader wouldn't learn anything from it. "ok, so this guy was born, fought, and died." The kind of articles that make no claim to notability and deserve to be a7'd. I'd say the limit is where we stop being educational and start getting trivial. The point of a tertiary source is to summarize knowledge, not to duplicate its sources. But if the individual has a genuine, detailed story, documented in secondary sources, we ought to include it. We've got thousands of articles on ships because we have great resources to tell us their stories. If we had a DANFS for people, we could stand to have a lot more articles on them. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 02:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- "but I'm talking about the scope of the project, not the scope of any one article." But this is the whole point; is there a limit to the level of detail that the project as a whole should plumb? For example, relating again to World War II, should we incude biographical information on every single man who fought in the war, for whom reliable sources can be found? If you agree that this would be foolish, and that there are limits to how detailed the project should be even when dealing with verifiable facts, simply amend the initial statement that I quoted, and I will support. Andrew Levine 01:59, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose First off, I must admit that I am a tad bit biased with this vote. Night Gyr nearly scuttled an article (found here) that I dumped several hours into (yes, I am familiar with WP:OWN... but as a human, I am far from perfect). Night Gyr did not respond to my message (found here) asking about what I should do about the prod. My oppose here is not with the nominating of the article but rather with the fact that he failed to respond to my message to him asking for advice. How can Night Gyr be trusted with Administrative tools if he won't even answer simple questions posed to him by Wikipedians who are lost and confused and looking up to the Administrators for guidance? Night Gyr, I am sorry. S h a r k f a c e 2 1 7 06:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wait, I don't see you asking for any advice. All I see is you asking him to either remove the prod or take it to WP:AFD. Tennis DyNamiTe (sign here) 23:31, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I still consider myself new to Wikipedia. As such, I asked Night Gyr to take it off instead of me taking it off (which, I should note, I later did). My Oppose still stands. Night Gyr seems just a bit too quick with tagging articles for deletion than instead doing research or improving the articles. I will not accuse him of just going down the list of pages of articles with the original research tag and then prodding them because they are OR, but I will admit that the thought did cross my mind. I should note that Night Gyr did respond to my question. However, if I left the tag up on the page, it could have been deleted by now and Night Gyr's response, although there, would be far too late. S h a r k f a c e 2 1 7 00:33, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Wait, I don't see you asking for any advice. All I see is you asking him to either remove the prod or take it to WP:AFD. Tennis DyNamiTe (sign here) 23:31, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose - I've seen this user mass tag articles ("in-universe") (without even reading them - less then a minute between each) - I could not trust this user until I know they do not have a lack of judgement. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 00:13, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for lack of response to messages on TalkPages in examples provided by Sharkface and delldot. It seems simply rude not to respond to messages from members of the Community and isn't the sort of attitude I am comfortable with in a candidate for adminship. WJBscribe (WJB talk) 00:21, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]- Changed to support. WJBscribe (WJB talk) 19:20, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The articles could very well be one or two-lines stubs he's tagging, which will obiouvsly take less than a minute unless you can prove to me otherwise.--Wizardman 17:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Changed to support. WJBscribe (WJB talk) 19:20, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Very Strong Oppose I must oppose because of the answer to the response to the second part of my question #9 shows that Night Gyr is not familiar with Wikipedia policy per WP:USERNAME and WP:SPAM having your company as your username is spam that is the sneakiest kind of spam. having a user spread the name of their company every time they sign a comment is not good. Spam is becoming a very real problem on wikipedia both in blatant and subversive methods. Having a user not understand wikipedia policy and not thinking spam is a issue here as long as the user doesn't say "buy our product" is unacceptable. Betacommand (talk • contribs • Bot) 04:40, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- This is a very unfair reason to oppose. Night Gyr's answer exhibited a grasp of Wikipedia's assume good faith guideline that the questioner seems to lack entirely. Betacommand's leading question assumes a very poor and arbitrary block would have taken place in the first place - something I have confidence that Night Gyr would not do. I hope that the closing bureaucrat takes this into account. Proto::► 11:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- you say this is unfair to oppose because of this response? I asked Night Gyr to handle a request for unblock that a user sent to them via E-mail regarding a block placed by another admin, the question of whether the user's block was placed in good faith here (I say that with caution as at other times it would assume good faith.) as per Night Gyr's answer to part one of the question However, the username policy at wikipedia prohibits the use of a username that promotes a company or organization. states that the username block was valid yet when the user complains about policy Night Gyr decides to unblock which is clearly against both WP:SPAM and WP:USERNAME. Betacommand (talk • contribs • Bot) 17:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Concur with Proto. Let's take a look at what the official policy says. "Usernames that promote a company or website: Usernames of or closely resembling the names of companies, groups, or include the URL of a particular website are discouraged and may be blocked." Note the subtle use of "may be blocked" instead of "will be blocked" or "are not allowed" (used in most other examples) which indicates that while these names are discouraged, there is some room for tolerating the name when there is no evidence of spamming. Night Gyr's answer to your question strikes me as particularly reasonable. I doubt that a spammer for Triplemoonsexotic would find any deep interest in putting his signature in talk pages unrelated to his business. Note also that the block would never have been imposed in the first place unless there was indication that the account is used for spamming because there would be no indication whatsoever that the account is in any way related to the ___domain name. Note for instance that www.proto.com is a registered ___domain. www.betacommand.com isn't but who knows, it could very well be at some point and no one in their right mind would then ask you to change your username. Pascal.Tesson 17:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Generally speaking, a reasonable compromise would be unblocking the account, and asking them to change their username per the process at Changing Usernames. If they had not made any edits, they could just sign up a less contentious names. Remember - diplomacy tends to be compromise, not choosing sides. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 18:03, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- BC, in your scenario, it was you who placed the block. If I received that same email with that same message complaining about being blocked for that same reason (or same abject lack of), I would immediately unblock the account and profusely apologise for the kneejerk reactions and appalling grasp of good faith and policy exhibited by some of our admins. Proto::► 19:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Generally speaking, a reasonable compromise would be unblocking the account, and asking them to change their username per the process at Changing Usernames. If they had not made any edits, they could just sign up a less contentious names. Remember - diplomacy tends to be compromise, not choosing sides. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 18:03, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Concur with Proto. Let's take a look at what the official policy says. "Usernames that promote a company or website: Usernames of or closely resembling the names of companies, groups, or include the URL of a particular website are discouraged and may be blocked." Note the subtle use of "may be blocked" instead of "will be blocked" or "are not allowed" (used in most other examples) which indicates that while these names are discouraged, there is some room for tolerating the name when there is no evidence of spamming. Night Gyr's answer to your question strikes me as particularly reasonable. I doubt that a spammer for Triplemoonsexotic would find any deep interest in putting his signature in talk pages unrelated to his business. Note also that the block would never have been imposed in the first place unless there was indication that the account is used for spamming because there would be no indication whatsoever that the account is in any way related to the ___domain name. Note for instance that www.proto.com is a registered ___domain. www.betacommand.com isn't but who knows, it could very well be at some point and no one in their right mind would then ask you to change your username. Pascal.Tesson 17:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- you say this is unfair to oppose because of this response? I asked Night Gyr to handle a request for unblock that a user sent to them via E-mail regarding a block placed by another admin, the question of whether the user's block was placed in good faith here (I say that with caution as at other times it would assume good faith.) as per Night Gyr's answer to part one of the question However, the username policy at wikipedia prohibits the use of a username that promotes a company or organization. states that the username block was valid yet when the user complains about policy Night Gyr decides to unblock which is clearly against both WP:SPAM and WP:USERNAME. Betacommand (talk • contribs • Bot) 17:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- then you would fail to realize what WP:SPAM means and I blocked that user before they could start spamming. you should always contact the blocking admin in these situations Betacommand (talk • contribs • Bot) 19:16, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Please tell me you are joking Betacommand - you should be demonstrating good faith but clearly utterly failed to here by making the non-good faith assumption that this user will spam. By all means monitor closely, and pull the trigger early if required, but the username is not immediately recognisable as a company, would need to be Googled to find that out, and is therefore permissable under Wiki guidelines. And that question was horrendously leading and inappropriate for a genuine survey of the user's capacity to Admin - especially given the decision was questionable to say the least and it was your own - you could at least have used someone else's example if nothing else Addyboy 19:52, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- This is a very unfair reason to oppose. Night Gyr's answer exhibited a grasp of Wikipedia's assume good faith guideline that the questioner seems to lack entirely. Betacommand's leading question assumes a very poor and arbitrary block would have taken place in the first place - something I have confidence that Night Gyr would not do. I hope that the closing bureaucrat takes this into account. Proto::► 11:19, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
- Neutral per Sharkface, but leaning towards support. Sharkface's comments made me think Gyr might be too busy, although I might be wrong. Just H 13:37, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral due to concerns brought up by sharkface. I looked at your talk page, Night Gyr, and found evidence of other times that it doesn't look like you answered people's questions. Extraordinary Machine asked you to respond to a question, and I found no evidence that you had either on Talk:Pretty Baby or on User talk:Extraordinary Machine. Gungho asked you another question at User talk:Night Gyr#== Boresight ==, and again I saw no response on your talk page or theirs. To be fair, you do sometimes answer people's questions, e.g. here and here, and here, and it looks like you've been answering more lately. But I feel like it should be more consistent. Even if you think the person's a common vandal or the answer to the question is obvious, it's important to gently answer their question by pointing them to the relevant policies; that way they won't continue making the same mistakes. You could also head off the questions by providing an explanation any time you remove someone's content or tag it as needing work, to avoid hurt feelings and continued confusion. Plus it helps avoid biting new users (or whomever). I also suggest leaving warning templates when you remove spam or vandalism (you didn't here or here). I also thought that this edit summary was a little less than friendly. I'm not opposing because I looked at a large number of your edits and the ones I didn't bring up here were fine. If I'm wrong about any of this, I definitely want to know; please correct me here or on my talk page. delldot | talk 22:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Night Gyr has pointed out on my talk page (as I asked him to above) that the edits where he didn't respond to questions were 8 months old and that the spamming and vandalism he didn't leave tags for were also old at the time he found them. I'm not changing my !vote, however, since I was leaning toward oppose due to the lack of discussion with new users when he reverted their content and edits I though were less than friendly. delldot | talk 01:23, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose per Sharkface and BetacommandNeutral per the positive change to his response to Beta's question, but no support yet as Sharkface's comment is still a concern.- While it is commendable that a user wishes to assume good faith, usurping a block, or going about CSD or AFD without prior discussion shows a very fundamental lack of understanding of how Wikipedia works, and it's current problems. Spam is becoming an increasing problem on Wikipedia, and these kind of subversive spamming methods cannot be considered acceptable. (Aside hijink: I remember in #wikipedia-spam-t Jimbo saying something along the lines of "Isn't that something we should indef people over?") Spamming is something that is being dealt with on the highest levels on Wikipedia - and we need to present a united front rather than a divided one. Spam is a real problem - if it were not, people like Jimbo would not be getting involved. As well, your lack of discussion in reverting content edits suggest a propensity for edit warring that make me hesitant to give you the keys. As to Beta's question in particular - it's not the response per se, not the finer points I would have appreciated - just but one thing, one answer - "I would have asked Betacommand why he blocked the user". Making assumptions helps no one, and hinders many. Wikipedia is built on discussion and consensus. To act unilaterally without consensus gathering even being a consideration is something I do not want in anyone trusted with the keys on Wikipedia. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 17:18, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Peter, did you even read question 9 and the response, or just Betacommand's illogical and dodgy reason to oppose? At no point did it say the fictional complaining user had actually spammed, just that he owned a ___domain name, and the Wikipedia user name was the same as this ___domain name. From where on earth did you get the assumption that this user was a spammer? Night Gyr even says that if the user did use the account for spam then his reaction would have been different. Wikipedia is built on common sense and assuming good faith. Night Gyr's answer exhibited both of those things. Proto::► 19:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I think it is ironic Peter that you criticise Night Gyr for apparently not demonstrating a willingness to act according to consensus when it would appear that Betablocker has done precisely that with a ridiculous block against a user who had done nothing wrong. Addyboy 19:55, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Betablocker? I'm sorry, but calling names is a personal attack, but more importantly it's incivil and immature. I really wished more people would ask themselves if they were helping wikipedia by pressing the save button. I would avoid much of this childish nastiness. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 00:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Please no need to throw insults around I happen to know some information about this BEFORE i placed the block. I was wondering how a user would respond to the question in no way was it inappropriate as A. Night Gyr admits that the user has violated WP:USERNAME even though Night Gyr would not have personally made the block Night Gyr stated and I quote This block is legitimate and I agreed with that. I then pressed further to see how Night Gyr would handle a difficult user, thus the complaint. Night Gyr's response to that is my big issue as Night Gyr stated that they would unblock the user even though a legitimate block was in place. that is where I have an issue. Also Night Gyr should have gone to the blocking admin (me) to see if there where any issues (Night Gyr did not) that is where I have my problem. Betacommand (talk • contribs • Bot) 20:43, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- He also said that the block, while allowable, was not essential and that it was perfectly legitimate according to WP:UserName to allow it to remain. Addyboy 20:45, 11 January 2007 (UTC) Addyboy 22:23, 11 January 2007 (UTC) (resigned as contribution was in wrong place)[reply]
- This is getting ridiculous. Night Gyr said in his response "Checking with the original blocking admin would let me know if there was some history, such as a known past spammer". Isn't that precisely consulting with the blocking admin to figure how this all came about? I mean you put Night Gyr in front of an improbable situation. The original block would have been placed by an admin who, by following some kind of supernatural hunch, would have guessed correctly that the username Triplemoonsexotic is in fact an attempt by the owner of Triplemoonsexotic.com to spam Wikipedia, although that user's activity looks entirely spam-free. Also, if the blocking admin did have some evidence regarding an attempt at spamming, that would be visible in his blocking rationale and Night Gyr would have no problem figuring this out. Pascal.Tesson 22:35, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- He revised his response in response to the opposition. A good thing too - the point of the question - or of any question, is to highlight something we the Wikipedia public feel is an important issue, and guage whether we feel their response is adequate. I commend Night Gyr for realising a misstep, conferring with Betacommand as to why he said what he did, and improving his own responses. That is exactly the type of behaviour I was looking for in the answer, and looking to promote. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 00:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- This is getting ridiculous. Night Gyr said in his response "Checking with the original blocking admin would let me know if there was some history, such as a known past spammer". Isn't that precisely consulting with the blocking admin to figure how this all came about? I mean you put Night Gyr in front of an improbable situation. The original block would have been placed by an admin who, by following some kind of supernatural hunch, would have guessed correctly that the username Triplemoonsexotic is in fact an attempt by the owner of Triplemoonsexotic.com to spam Wikipedia, although that user's activity looks entirely spam-free. Also, if the blocking admin did have some evidence regarding an attempt at spamming, that would be visible in his blocking rationale and Night Gyr would have no problem figuring this out. Pascal.Tesson 22:35, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Betablocker? I'm sorry, but calling names is a personal attack, but more importantly it's incivil and immature. I really wished more people would ask themselves if they were helping wikipedia by pressing the save button. I would avoid much of this childish nastiness. Cheers, ✎ Peter M Dodge ( Talk to Me • Neutrality Project ) 00:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral Good contributor, but the answers to the questions (especially regarding what wikipedia is and what knowledge is) weren't discerning or substantive enough for me to vote for support. Bwithh 10:31, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Netural per Bwithh. Carpet9 04:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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