Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alexander George Arbuthnot

Non notable shopkeeper, no evidence of multiple independent non-trivial reliable sources, fails WP:BIO. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 03:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Somewhat unfair article description in the nomination. Florida Indian trader 1803-1818, tried in absentia by Andrew Jackson for aiding hostile Indians, and hanged from the mast of his trading schooner. Apparent Congress passed a resolution condemning the executions as a result of foreign pressure. The family tree which is the only mentioned source does cite a contemporary newspaper--I've added it to the article--my remote access doesn't want to connect to the likely source for it, Gale's Early American Newspapers)

But let's keep an eye out for other Arbuthnots of much lesser interest or importance. DGG 04:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm only going by the article - He had a store near St Augustine. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 04:23, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep a figure in a notable enough historical incident. Wooyi^{Talk, Editor review} 05:26, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, although it would seem more prudent to move to Arbuthnot and Ambrister Incident.e.g. Biographical information on both is slim and of questionable encyclopedic value, but the trial and execution continue to be important and have resonance e.g. for the current Guantanamo military commission. It gets about 4 pages in this 71-page document prepared for Congress in 2004.--Dhartung | Talk 06:34, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I think that's a good option. There's a lack of independent information available about Arbuthnot himself, but some on the case. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 06:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, just spotted this after I had proposed the same. As I said below, the incident is notable but not the person.--Vintagekits 13:30, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Oh good. So the person is totally detached from the incident. I wish you'd apply this rule to some of your IRA articles. David Lauder 13:33, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:N and WP:A, not to mention WP:BIO. Being named ARBUTHNOT is not sufficient reason to have a Wikipedia aricle. Edison 07:07, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: notable as an interesting historical figure who should be recorded in an encyclopaedia where the editors are aware, as we now are. This is currently a stub and needs expanding, with further references if possible, not deletion. It is a pity that the team running around flagging up AfDs on anyone they can locate with the surname Arbuthnot did not spend more time engaging in constructive work for Wikipedia, rather than destructive. David Lauder 07:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It's existed for a year, so perhaps instead of attacking the nominator you'd like to expand the article now? One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 07:20, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reply: I'm afraid that sneering remarks such as "non notable shopkeeper" speak for themselves. David Lauder 08:54, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Query:David Lauder, what do you think of my proposal to make it an article about the incident including both men, rather than a biography of just one? --Dhartung | Talk 09:33, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reply: May be a good idea. I had no input into the article myself but he seems an interesting historical figure who should not be deleted altogether. David Lauder 09:37, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Is there a Wikiproject that might be suitable for this topic? It looks like something that could be both notable and attributable, but it might not be possible to find online sources. --Charlene 07:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reply: Agreed. Even today, most of the billions of academic and historical writings are simply not available in the Internet. Books remain the basis of knowledge. Whatever we can uplift and transfer on-line is a bonus for everyone. David Lauder 08:54, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Charlene, WikiProject Military history seems appropriate, as the case was a notable event during the Seminole War. It would probably fit within the purview of WikiProject Florida as well. --Dhartung | Talk 09:32, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep. Very notable incident during the Seminole War. International repercussions and had permanent effect on General Jackson's reputation. No replies required from my shadow trolls. - Kittybrewster (talk) 12:11, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, "International repercussions and had permanent effect on General Jackson's reputation" - yes the incident caused this not the person. Is there any chance the you could start being a little more objective when it comes to articles that you have created about your own family - remember WP:COI--Vintagekits 13:26, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rename. This article is not really about Alexander George Arbuthnot it is more about the incident which seems notable but not the person.--Vintagekits 13:26, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per DGG and Kittybrewster. As noted, the article needs a good re-write to make historical importance clear in the introductory paragraph. — ERcheck (talk) 14:12, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]