HongQiGong
Bye for now
Thanks for your support on ANI. But those messages really disappointed me. I thought Wikipedia was run by rational people -- that view has now been qualified somewhat. Thanks for your help on Forbidden City and elsehwere. I think I will be taking a break for a while, maybe for ever. I will still be contactable by e-mail though... Thanks. --Sumple (Talk) 05:43, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah take a break if you're getting annoyed at things around here. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 14:13, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
A source for the maximum price on the rail network fares on the Octopus Card
Here are the links to the fare charts of the MTR and KCR: MTR fare table: [1] KCR East Rail fare table: [2] KCR West Rail fare table: [3]
Hence the maximum possible fare is $34.8.--Kylohk 09:33, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Keep it up!
I just want to say, great work on the 2008 Beijing Olympics page. It is so refreshing to not see strait up PRC bashing on every topic related to China. We need more people like you to equalize all the anti-PRC propagandas different special interests groups are spreading. Keep up the good work, I support you! Yongke 16:01, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Editing China-related articles
I barely joined in on editting pages and have already started noticing some serious issues with getting articles complete, updated, and standardised. My intent was to upgrade and unify the articles pertaining to China, its history, its people, its languages, and its cultures, but the effort will be maddening considering the amount of information to be posted as well as having everything adhere to a particular style or standard. Would you be willing to work with me in editting and posting articles in this arena? We can't do this alone, and we will need a common standard to come from to do it.
I posted this message using edit because I didn't know how else to do it. --漢慶 07:04, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- Please take a look at WikiProject China - that's a WikiProject designed to coordinate editing efforts for all China-related articles. It should have all the types of information you're looking for. And if not, you can ask for it in the Talk page. Also, Wikipedia is as always a work in progress. Basically that means there's really no end to the editing work that needs to be done. Constant work is required. Happy editing. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 19:36, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
XXX-American actors categories nominated for deletion.
Thanks for the heads up. — Malik Shabazz (Talk | contribs) 04:51, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- You're welcome. I wanted to get the opinions of people who might be more knowledgeable on the issue of ethnic minority actors in the U.S. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 05:03, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Diaoyutai Reference
Thanks for adding references. One thing, I didn't see where that exact quote was in the PeoplesDaily2003 article, maybe I'm missing it. One thing, though, I did see was it mentioned was similar: "The name 'Diaoyutai' first appeared in 1403 in the Chinese book "Shun Feng Xiang Song (Voyage with the Tail Wind)." It recorded the names of the islands that the Chinese had passed during their voyage from Fujian to Ryukyu, an independent kingdom up until its annexation by Japan during the late 19th century." This isn't in the Wikipedia article that I saw, but it seems relevant since it's the first mention of the name Diaoyutai. Maybe not, I don't know. I don't know this topic so well as the Liancourt Rocks/Dokdo article, so maybe you can add it if it is appropriate. If I'm wrong, sorry to have bothered you, but if you have time please check to make sure that reference covers the quote. Some of us responded to your query on how the policy relates to Liancourt Rocks, by the way, I'm not sure if you had a chance to go back and read it, or if you had any thoughts on that article. --Cheers, Komdori 03:54, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
- I've edited the article to better reflect the source. And I'll go take a look at the comments left on the Dokdo article now. Thanks. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 04:11, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for all your help with WP:3K! :-) Ling.Nut 12:54, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
- No problem. Glad to help. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 15:57, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Penser loves me
Mao Zedong
Why did you claim my addition was unsourced? Just because you deleted the source doesn't mean it was unsourced. (Much of the rest of the text is unsourced, by the way.) Penser 02:34, 30 May 2007 (UTC)penser
- Firstly Jung is an extremely biased source, secondly, the source doesn't confirm everything you added. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 02:36, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Jung Chang's book is controversial, and certainly she takes an vituperative, attacking tone, but the facts are generally acknowledged to be accurate by many respected historians. If you look at the criticisms of the book, the points I noted have never been criticized. What did I claim that wasn't in the book? Penser 02:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)penser
- Are you kidding? Academics have said that many of her "facts" cannot be verified, some even have said that she made stuff up. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 02:49, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Most academics are uncomfortable with the tone of the book, but there is hardly a consensus that the facts are bogus. http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/biography/0,6121,1498718,00.html
This criticism is mainly for a few events, such as her claim the the Ludong Bridge Crossing under Nationalist fire was a fabrication. The more common criticism is that "the untold story" is not that new or untold. By the way, you seem to be backing away from your original claim that my points were unsourced and that my source didn't confirm all of my claims. Is that an accurate perception? Penser 03:02, 30 May 2007 (UTC)penser
- No, I'm doubtful that everything you've added is verified by Jung's book. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 03:18, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, look it up. Penser 03:20, 30 May 2007 (UTC)penser
Are you just trying to destroy my contributions without explanation?
HongQiGong, what's going on, buddy? You seem to be bent on the destruction of my work, even when it is often the only sourced work in a section. Care to explain? Penser 03:23, 30 May 2007 (UTC)Penser
- Disagreed. Your "work" is often unsourced and extremely biased. Please try to be NPOV. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 03:32, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
False. In many of the articles in which you have recently destroyed my work, there have typically been no references cited, and yet you pick out my contributions for destruction. And by biased, I suppose you mean not hagiographic accounts of the Chinese Communist Party or Mao? Penser 03:39, 30 May 2007 (UTC)penser
- By biased, I mean you use an extremely biased source, and add text that are one-sided and not balanced. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 03:42, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Unsourced ABC?
What are you possibly talking about? The entire article about ABC was unsourced. I provided the only source. How can you possibly single out my contribution? What do you even dispute? Penser 03:42, 30 May 2007 (UTC)penser
- That source does not even talk about the term "American-born Chinese", nor does it say that it de-emphasizes American-ness. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 03:49, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
The source talks about the "perpetual foreigner" stereotype. The rest of the ABC page is unsourced as well. Shall we delete it all? Penser 03:57, 30 May 2007 (UTC)penser
- There is already a tag at the top to ask for more references, but the article does have one link in the external links section and one link in the references section. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 03:59, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
So why single out my inadequately referenced contribution? It certainly wasn't an unreasonable addition. Penser 04:02, 30 May 2007 (UTC)penser
- Disagreed. I thought it was unreasonable, biased, and POV. Add to that it being unsourced, I took it out. Just add a source that discusses how the term de-emphasizes American-ness and it wouldn't be removed. Otherwise I have to assume that it is your own WP:Original research. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 04:04, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
1. First what is reasonable about that? The reasoning was all clearly spelled out in the section. Where was the logical flaw? 2. How can we assume that the rest of the contributions aren't original research as well? Penser 04:06, 30 May 2007 (UTC)penser
- 1. It was unreasonable because it sounded like original research.
- 2. We can't.
- I've said what I needed to say about this - add a source to back up the claims and it won't be deleted. Maybe Jung mentioned it in her book, too. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 04:07, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Ha ha. Good one. In other words, it wasn't at all unreasonable and you have no logical objection. Apparently you are just trying to delete my work out of some sort of spite or political antipathy. Penser 04:12, 30 May 2007 (UTC)penser
Since you admit we can't assume that the other contributions aren't original research as well, can I assume you'll be deleting it all as well? Penser 04:14, 30 May 2007 (UTC)penser
3RR violation
I count three reverts in a 24 hour period. Penser 03:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)penser
- Previously you said I've violated the 3RR rule - which is false. Thus, warning removed. I would have violated the 3RR rule if I made four reverts or more. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 03:49, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Beijing Olympics
Now you've deleted my well-sourced addition about the growing use of the term "Genocide Olympics" to put pressure on Beijing? Are you a professional apologist for the Communist regime in Beijing? What is with you arbitrarily deleting every sourced contribution I make? Penser 03:47, 30 May 2007 (UTC)penser
- No I haven't deleted it. I've moved it to an existing paragraph that was already talking about that issue. Please look at my edit carefully. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 03:49, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Oops. Sorry about that. You had deleted so many of my contributions that I didn't look that carefully. Fair enough. Penser 03:58, 30 May 2007 (UTC)penser