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Latest comment: 7 years ago5 comments4 people in discussion

Workshops are not known to be effective at recruiting participants, unless there is very focused selection and tracking of participants.

My impression (correct me if I'm wrong) is that most speakers of languages of India only use computers in English, even though technologies for reading and writing in Hindi and other languages are not too hard to reach. It's a social issue, and not only a technical one.

Looking for people who are able to write in languages of India outside of India is perfectly valid and desirable, but I suggest to focus on searching for a way to find the right people who don't automatically fall back to English for all their studies, writing and computer use. People who love the language and are committed to it and can become relevant opinion leaders. Random workshops for Hindi or Punjabi speakers is not focused. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 14:21, 12 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your input. I agree with you that these workshops should be focused and there should be proper tracking of participants. As per my personal experience while I was on dependent visa, I have came across different Meet-Up groups who are involved in activities that will give them a chance to nurture their technical skills. For example, Blog writing, web designing, etc. Our Meet-Up group recently hosted an activity to document the food recipes and share them mutually. This is one fine example about documentation.
Recently I learned about Marathi Wikipedia and genuinely enjoyed knowledge sharing in my native language. I am looking forward to share this enthusiasm with my fellow group members on social media and my residential Meet-Up groups. Even though we use English for our studies, writing and computer use, still me and my friends personally take pride in sharing the knowledge in our mother-tongue and we do believe there are many individuals based in the USA, who share this mutual feeling. We are putting efforts to channelize a way and focus on specific groups of population. श्वेता कोकाटे (talk) 08:27, 14 January 2015 (UTC)Reply
You write: "we use English for our studies, writing and computer use". This is the central point: You are free to use any language that is comfortable to you, but this activity must focus on changing these customs, and using Marathi (or other relevant languages) at least for writing in Wikipedia and discussing it in meetups and workshops, without falling back to English. Your plan needs to show a clear focus on that. I understand that it's a complicated and touchy subject, but that is the most important social issue here, and without addressing it I doubt that the project will be successful.
Also, I'd say that at the first stage, focusing on one language is OK. I don't think that it matters which one. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 09:10, 14 January 2015 (UTC)Reply
In consent with Amire80 & श्वेता कोकाटे , yes focusing on one language is a desirable thing to do. Moving this discussion with more updates and happenings since the time gone by. --Abhinav619 (talk) 05:18, 7 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
  Done - We are focusing on only one language and project is modified for better outcome.
Why New York and USA - There is a strong and diverse Indian diaspora in the NYC. The largest number of non-resident Indians reside in United States of America. We have already received positive support and feedback from NY Indian Embassy, UN Permanent Mission as well as local Wikimedia NYC Chapter.
Why Hindi - Eastern Seaboard has a large number of Indian expats that have either settled there or live there for work/business. This was evidenced by the 20,000+ people attending a speech in Hindi by the Prime Minister of India at Madison Square Garden, New York.
In general, the Indian origin community in the United States has very high literacy rates. They are also well-versed in English as well as Hindi. Access to Internet is not an issue for this demographic. Enthusiasm for advancement of Indic languages is also evident by the many initiatives being pursued by this group. AbhiSuryawanshi (talk) 18:24, 25 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

Some problems

Latest comment: 7 years ago7 comments2 people in discussion

I'm Active user and reviewer on Hindi Wikipedia. In my information hindi wiki dont know about this proposal. No any discussion i local village pump. All endorsement are very old, sice 2014. Community do not know about this. After endorsement that time this proposal is totally changed now.user submitted this high budget request without community discussion.--आर्यावर्त (talk) 16:30, 26 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

This proposal came out of Hindi Wikipedia 2014 and 2015 meet-up and national conference. Photos as well as links provided. Apart from that in last two months, updated links were shared on all possible platforms. Sorry if you missed them, I am listing notifications -
Recent Aug 2017 Community Notifications
Community space Reference
Hindi Wiki Village Pump Link
WM Hindi User Group Link
Hindi WM Mailing List Link
Phone Calls/

feedback

Called All admins

on Hi Wiki

WhatsApp Group discussions
Hindi Wiki

Google Hangout Log

Link

Thank you AbhiSuryawanshi (talk) 18:58, 26 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

u provide vilage pump link but there is no ant discussion related about your 48000 doller grant proposel. m asking here to community about this proposel but community do not know abot. also u updated (in grant page) 48000 doller related changes in september. in auguest this proposel is diff.
  • in user group page, you updated your self. only link. no any discussion. i think you are making fraud.
  • admin replyed here, admin is not community.
  • i have in hagout discussin. you taking only abot activity plan. not talking about your proposel. we dnt know you making grant proposel.

so i thiunk its fraud. please withdraw this proposel and next time do not make any grant proposel for hiwiki without community discussion. thanks.--आर्यावर्त (talk) 14:45, 29 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

Dear Yogesh-ji (आर्यावर्त),
Interestingly - you were the only person involved in this grant discussion on Hindi Wikipedia Village pump. I am attaching the screenshot in case if you forgot it. Fortunately everything is documented and it is still in Village Pump archives.
You talked about the grant amount and asked for program details, and I shared it (proposal summary in Hindi) - adding another screenshot and VP archive link.
As per as exact amount and timing is concerned - we were negotiating with sponsors and were hopeful about getting 100% however, we got 25% and after receiving confirmation - we updated grant proposal and immediately sent notifications. We are hopeful about getting 100% external support in future after running this pilot project.
I would appreciate if you can provide explanation behind your surprise, is there any misunderstanding? Thank you bringing it to our notice, we have sent another notification with updated grant budget (and Hindi translation) to mailing list as well as Village Pump. Your feedback is valuable and it will help us in future. AbhiSuryawanshi (talk) 10:37, 30 September 2017 (UTC)Reply
Dear abhishek ji read my responce carefully in this discussion mainteind by you. i have aske you in this discussion no detail about my question. in this duscussion community dont supporting you to make this grant proposel. thanks.--आर्यावर्त (talk) 05:51, 1 October 2017 (UTC)Reply
Dear Sir,
I have already answered all your questions, apologies if I missed anything.
As per my understanding, major concerns are already answered :
  • community was clueless ---> I am sorry if you missed it, I have shared links (about several notifications)
  • There was no notification/discussion ---> additional archive links as well as screenshots shared
  • Community discussion is missing ---> Apart from existing Hindi Wiki VP discussions, This space is for community concerns
  • Proposal is in English ---> Hindi Version summary was posted on VP last month
  • Budget was not notified ---> We sent links to mailing list as well as Village Pump after finalizing it.
  • Community doesnt support your proposal ---> We have received support from various community members (except few individual concerns), we take even minor concern very seriously and we are giving our best to answer concerns. We need support from everyone, each and every feedback counts.
  • Currently it is already under community review and we would love your feedback.
Can you please give us some feedback on designed program? How can we make it better? Do you think Hindi Wikipedia can get benefits from mentioned partnerships? AbhiSuryawanshi (talk) 09:32, 1 October 2017 (UTC)Reply
This discussion is inactive from more than 7 days and it will be marked as closed after 3 days. You may post new questions in new section. Feel free to express your individual views/concerns and avoid labeling your personal opinion as community decision. -- AbhiSuryawanshi (talk) 21:14, 16 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

Questions

Latest comment: 7 years ago6 comments2 people in discussion

1. Of the 258 million Hindi speakers, as claimed by you, how many are in India? I don't have figures but would I be wrong in guessing that at least 200 million reside in India? With these many people already in India, why should we & the foundation need to spend money on outreach programs outside of India; like the Indian Embassy in New York or World Hindi Secretariat (based in Mauritius)? Isn't focusing within India a better, cheaper, effective and more productive way for progress of the Hindi Wikipedia and other Hindi language based projects? Dharmadhyaksha (talk) 09:36, 28 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

Response

Hi, Dharmadhyaksha thanks for writing. Please find response to your query.

The notion that WMF needs to provide more intervention in India is beyond any doubt. Similarly, the idea that state(government) in India should focus more and also extensively in India is also beyond any argument to contest. Still, the Indian state invests abroad (appendix chart listed) and so do we plan. The expicit reasons are listed.

  • India has one of the highest diaspora across the globe. The diaspora is equipped in terms of access to internet, computer etc against capability deprivation cum poverty across India specially Northern India -cum- BIMARU states where Hindi is largely spoken. Yet, uncontestedly intervetions are being made to reap recent decade economic growth dividends and promote Wikipedia. Jaipur program is one such intervention.
  • Hindi is the fourth most spoken language and this figure incorporates lots of Hindi speakers (mostly Indian overseas) who do not reside in India. The invention of Hindi has happened in India and it is a matter of pride and esteem of nation, much more because Hindi as a utility is accepted outside India as well.
  • France for French, Spain for Spainsh or England for English do not advocate for private ownership over their respective language of invention. Infact, it would be a matter of great pride that the Hindi language in terms of utility is widely accepted even though their were no Hindi colonies as against the formers. Also to quote from Maha Upanishad an ancient Hindi text, "Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam".
  • The local Wikimedia chapters in The United States have welcomed the initiative and provided their support. This would be an opportunity to gain in terms of experience sharing and one-to-one relations.
  • 25% of the financial resources are already borne by the government and there is a possibility for the entire 100% in future.
  • Government of India could also be a potential fiscal sponser in furture, advocacy efforts are already in process. The Government of India invests heavily abroad. May refer to the appendix section. There is a rationale behind why Hindi Secretariat is outside India.

Please feel free to ask for any more clarification. We would be happy to answer them also your experience is vital. -Abhinav619 (talk) 14:42, 28 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

Re-Question

Thanks for a lengthy reply and in it the crux is lost. So asking again; how many people in theory will the outside-India project of yours target? You were very much happy to call North Indian states as bimaru; but how many of those have access to internet? Does the NRI figure outnumber the internet users of Hindi speaking Indians?
Now that you raised cost of living issue; despite knowing that the cost of living in US is high and the chances of inculcating Hindi into the NRI is less; why despite this knowledge, should such high funds be granted? Dharmadhyaksha (talk) 04:21, 3 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

2. Now that you have collected so much of data, can you also tell us how much monetary help will be required if a similar project were to run only in India. And also please let us know how much effective an Indian project on similar lines would run. Dharmadhyaksha (talk) 04:28, 3 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

3. You state in your "Goals" section that Wikipedia partnerships with high profile organizations will be aimed. Has a partnership program with not-so-high-profile organization; maybe colleges and schools or Hindi language promoting volunteer groups been done before? How effective/ineffective has that been and for what reasons? Dharmadhyaksha (talk) 04:36, 3 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

Re-Response

Hello Dharmadhyaksha , we regret the inconvenience that you have missed out on the crux. We will address it again, this time via Q&A module. I hope that will resolve your concerns and doubts. In case, it does not please feel to ask them again. We will be more than happy to resolve them.
I am making an attempt to list down all your concerns, I hope, I have not missed on any of them. Please notify me otherwise.
How many people in theory will the outside-India project of yours target?
This proposal is with prime focus on forming partnerships with mentioned organizations. Combined - if successful we hope to reach out to 50,000+ people outside India. This includes outreach at World Hindi Conference organized by World Hindi Secretariat next year.
On an average embassy conducts Hindi classes for 3000+ people every year, this partnership will also give us access to these Hindi passionate population.
You were very much happy to call North Indian states as bimaru; but how many of those have access to internet?
No one is happy to call them BIMARU. If it seems so, I condemn that. BIMARU is an acronym for some of the most poor states in India. The problem is ::not essentially to do with Internet Connection or even rise in literacy levels with schools penetration. As India progress economically its brings ::good fortune and also increases internet penetration. The idea is essentially to do with increasing penetration of Wikimedia Projects out there slowly ::and steadily. This is already happening. 2017 registered the first conference in Bhopal and the 2nd would happen in Jaipur. This is a commendable ::step and must be welcomed.
Even this project is a small step with country specific (United States of America). Slowly and steadily we will expand to other nations where Indian ::diaspora is present such as United Kingdom. But then I would like to reiterate, only slowly and steadily not in a haste.
Does the NRI figure outnumber the internet users of Hindi speaking Indians?
No, they do not. We have explicitly mentioned above,” more intervention in India is beyond any doubt.” We have also mentioned the rationale before on ::why government invests abroad. One may have a question on why government needs to do this, one needs to understand that Indian Diaspora is the highest ::in the world and irrespective they live outside their home in India and they are our part of our culture that includes language. It is for this ::reason, the Indian Constitution under Article 351 says,
“Directive for development of the Hindi language It shall be the duty of the Union to promote the spread of the Hindi language, to develop it so ::that it may serve as a medium of expression for all the elements of the composite culture of India and to secure its enrichment by assimilating ::without interfering with its genius, the forms, style and expressions used in Hindustani and in the other languages of India specified in the Eighth Schedule……”
Indian Diaspora also falls under the composite culture and so government invests abroad.
Now that you raised cost of living issue; despite knowing that the cost of living in US is high and the chances of inculcating Hindi into the NRI ::is less; why despite this knowledge, should such high funds be granted?
Firstly, possibilities of 100% sponsorship still exist. The fact that 25% has already been achieved is a step in that process. On the cost of living ::issue, please understand, it is not sufficient for survival in New York with that limited resources. The reference work on this has already been ::shared before. Hence, the grantee is taking a very nominal amount for survival and would more or less still continue to be associated as a volunteer ::in his capacity. Cost are only for basic expenses.
Secondly, minimal costs are also attained keeping in mind the legislations in New York pertaining to minimum wages.
Now that you have collected so much of data, can you also tell us how much monetary help will be required if a similar project were to run only in ::India. And also please let us know how much effective an Indian project on similar lines would run ?
Impossible due to legalities. It looks great in theory but not possible.
  • Wikimedia India Chapter is registered under Karnataka Society Act and according to Indian Societies Act - all organizations must work as per bylaws.
  • According to bylaws organizations are allowed to work within Indian borders.
  • Apart from that, Chapter needs permission from Ministry of Home Affairs to receive foreign funding (i.e even from Wikimedia Foundation). This ::permission is missing and chapter can not receive funds and hopefully they will receive permission soon.
  • In short - Wikimedia India Chapter can not spend money outside India and even to spend money inside India - they need permission from Government
  • Same thing is applicable for CIS and other organizations.
Because of these limitations, Indian organizations can not spend money or resources to do major work such as working with foreign organizations ::supported by foreign governments.
You state in your "Goals" section that Wikipedia partnerships with high profile organizations will be aimed. Has a partnership program with not-so-high-profile organization; maybe colleges and schools or Hindi language promoting volunteer groups been done before? How effective/ineffective has that been and for what reasons?
There is no attempt to provide any distinction. We refer to highest office. We are in talks with Embassies which fall directly under the Ministry of ::External Affairs, colleges and school still go with a hierarchy. But then, we really don’t intent to sound like that.
On partnership programs - For Hindi Wikipedia, this is the first partnership in general. -Abhinav619 (talk) 14:26, 3 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

Big gambling on the only one program

Latest comment: 7 years ago8 comments4 people in discussion

जो व्यक्ति केवल ग्रांट के लिए आते है वो सही नहीं है। उनका योगदान भी होना चाहिए। 28 लाख कोई मामूली रकम नहीं है। मै हिन्दी विकि पर जब से आया हू तब से अभी तक भोपाल सम्मेलन हुआ है जो रैपिड ग्रांट पर था लगभग 1.5 लाखा का। अगर दो लाख का भी हम ओसत ले तो हम 14 सम्मेलन 28 लाख मे करा सकते है। और छोटे मोटे कॉलेज मे शिक्षण भी कर सकते है। यदि 14 सम्मेलन मे 10 मे भी शिक्षण किया और 5 सदस्य प्रति शिक्षण जोड़े तो 50 लोग भी हिन्दी विकि पर बहुत मदद कर सकते है। लेकिन 28 लाख एक ही चीज पर खर्चा करना सही है। एक वैश्विक नीति है कि Don't put all egg in One Basket अर्थात सारे अंडे एक ही टोकरी मे मत डालो। हमे भी केवल छोटे छोटे कार्यक्रम करने चाहिए। और उनमे मिली नाकामी से सीखना चाहिए। 28 लाख का जुआ एक कार्यक्रम पर बिलकुल सही नहीं है। और जो लोग केवल ग्रांट के लिए आ रहे है उन्हे रोका जाना चाहिए।-Jayprakash12345 (talk) 09:50, 29 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

@Dharmadhyaksha, आर्यावर्त, and Anamdas: Can you translate this one.--Jayprakash12345 (talk) 09:52, 29 September 2017 (UTC)Reply
@jayprakash, you are Right. this is big game to recive grant. its fraud. user is not hindi wikipedian. he is coming only for grant related work. also he making fraund, he provide hindi wikipedia village pump like here, buit no any discussion on hindi wiki village pump. community do not know and he directly make request for grant named hindi community.--आर्यावर्त (talk) 14:36, 29 September 2017 (UTC)Reply
नमस्ते जय जी , अगर अनुमति हो तो क्या में आप के प्रश्न का उत्तर दे सकता हूँ| परतंतु इससे पहले में उत्तर दू में यह सपष्ट कर देना चाहता हूँ की में इस प्रोजेक्ट से कोई भी लाभ नहीं ले रहा हूँ| ना वेतन या फिर कोई और खर्च (होटल, फ्लाइट)| मेरी इस प्रोजेक्ट में दिलचस्पी है इसलिए मैंने अपना नाम टीम में लिखा है और ग्रांट बनाने में सहयोग किया है| क्या में उत्तर दे सकता हूँ ? -Abhinav619 (talk) 14:44, 29 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

CC:@Dharmadhyaksha, आर्यावर्त, and Anamdas:

@AbhiSuryawanshi: आप दूसरे व्यक्ति के नाम से भी ग्रांट ले सकते हैं, जैसे राजू जी के नाम से आप ही ग्रांट का व्यवस्थापन कर रहे हैं। अभी सही यही होगा कि आपा ये प्रस्ताव वापस ले ले और आगे से समुदाय की सहमती के बिना समुदाय के नामसे सीधे ही कोई ग्रांट का प्रस्ताव न रखें।--आर्यावर्त (talk) 15:18, 29 September 2017 (UTC)Reply
अभिनव जी, मै आपकी बात समझता हु। लेकिन जो ग्रांट ले रहा है उसे प्रश्नो का उत्तर देना चाहिए। आप या कोई उत्तर देता है और आगे चलकर ग्रांट लेने वाला ही आपके उत्तर को नकार देता है तो हमे मिले उत्तर का क्या लाभ। इसलिए वही दे जो ज़िम्मेदारी ले रहे है। और क्या चोपल पर यह लिख देने से की हम कार्यक्रम करा रहे है से आपकी ज़िम्मेदारी पूरी होती है। न वहाँ ग्रांट का लिंक है और न ही 28 लाख का कोई जिक्र इसको आप क्या मानते है। -Jayprakash12345 (talk) 15:35, 29 September 2017 (UTC)Reply
@Jayprakash12345: जी ठीक है | अगर मेरी जवाबदेही हो तो मैं तैयार रहूँगा | माफ़ कीजिए मैंने यह अभी पढ़ा है | -Abhinav619 (talk) 03:27, 30 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

स्पष्टीकरण

सवाल पूछने के लिये धन्यवाद मैं पूरी कोशिश करूँगा सारी सदस्यों को उनके सवालों के जवाब मिले -

संक्षेप में मेरी समज में यह कुछ सवाल हैं

चौपाल पर जो भी जानकारी दी वह पूरी नहीं थी और सबसे अहम चीज की धन के बारे में चौपाल पर बात नहीं की

जहां तक धन की बात है हमने अभी हाल ही में इसपर फैसला किया है। आप सब ग्रैंड पेज पर देख सकते है की २५% स्पोनसएशिप हमे मिली है और कोशिश जारी है की हम पूरी स्पॉन्सरशिप प्रदान करले। अगर धन की बात को हटा दे तो पूरा प्रपोजल हिंदी में यहाँ हुआ था।

आप सब ग्रैंड पेज पर देख सकते है की २५% स्पोनसएशिप हमे मिली है और कोशिश जारी है की हम पूरी स्पॉन्सरशिप प्रदान करले। आप सब जानते है की सरकारे देर दूरस्थ फैसले लेती है। और यही वजह है देर से डाला। हमने विदेशी राज्य मंत्री से तक बात किया है और प्रयास जारी है। विदेश में हिंदी के बढ़ा-वे का कार्य विदेश मंत्रालय करता है और इस प्रचार पर काफी राशि खर्च भी करता है और वह आप सब देख अपेंडिक्स मे सकते है। जी हाँ देर ही सही हमें धन की बात साझा कर देनी थी। हमने प्रोजेक्ट ग्रांट के नियमो के अनुसार हिंदी मेलिंग लिस्ट पर तुरंत डाल दिया लेकिन चौपाल पर नहीं, हम आगे से ध्यान रखेंगे। हम माफी मांगते है। जहा तक बिना बताये ग्रांट लेना की है कोई भी प्रोजेक्ट ग्रांट बिना कम्युनिटी रिव्यु के नहीं पास होती है। कम्युनिटी को सूचित करा जाता है की ग्रांट सबमिट हुई है। फिर भी गलती के लिए माफी मांगते है |

जो धन माँगा गया है वो बहुत ज्यादा है और उचित नहीं

आप सब को पता है की अमेरिका में और भारत में आर्थिक फर्कः है फिर भी अमेरिका के औसत से बहुत कम है(https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Program_Manager%2C_Non-Profit_Organization/Salary) | अमेरिका से स्पोंसरशिप मिल ही चुकी है और का प्रयास हम कर ही रहे है और भारत सरकार से भी। इसके अथवा में आप को साझा करना चाहूंगा की बाकि प्रोजेक्ट ग्रांट्स के बारे मे भारत से कई प्रोजेक्ट ग्रैंड है और आप आर्थिक अंतर देखे तो हम ऐसा कुछ ज्यादा नहीं मांग रहे है | २२ लांख रुपये लोग हिंदुस्तान में भी मांग रहे है जिसमे हिंदी पर भी काम होगा | खैर प्रोजेक्ट ग्रांट का मकसद पूरा करना उद्देश्य है न की तुलना और हम भरोसा दिलाते है की हम उद्देश्य पूरा करेंगे। कैसे क्या कार्य करेंगे - वो हमने चार्ट वह बुलेट पॉइंट्स से बताया है। कृपया राय दे | इसके अलावा हम यह भी साझा करना चाहते है की बाकी हिंदुस्तानी भाषा पर कितना खर्च किया गया है|


भारत में छोटी छोटी कार्य करना भहतर है ना की अमेरिका या विदेश में कही और

इसमें कोई संदेह नहीं कि भारत मे और कार्य होने चाहिए। परंतु ध्यान दें कांफ्रेंस और प्रोजेक्ट ग्रैंट दो अलग चीज़ है और कांफ्रेंस ग्रांट पर भी हम आगे आ रहे है। आप सब को पता है कि बहुत सारे भारत के वासी विदेश में रहते है। इनके पास लैपटॉप इंटरनेट की कोई समस्या नहीं होती है और इनकी पहेली या फिर दूसरी भाषा आज भी हिंदी होती है। गौर करे भारत सरकार विदेश में हिंदी पर क्यों इतना खर्चा करे गी और हिंदी सेक्रेटेरिएट देश से बाहर क्यों खोलेगी। क्या भारत सरकार के लिये देश का विकास सबसे पहले नहीं है ? फ्रांस कभी फ्रेंच को , स्पेन कभी स्पेनिश को या फिर इंग्लैंड कभी इंग्लिश को अपने देश तक सीमित नहीं रखता है। अमेरिका के चैप्टर भी इसका समर्थन कर रहे है अगर वो हिंदी को बढ़ावा देना चाहते है तो वह कुछ गलत नहीं कर रहे है हमें उनका आभारी होना चाहिए |

समुदाय के लोगो को भरोसे में नहीं लिया

हैंगऑउट, व्हाट्सप्प, कांफ्रेंस कॉल और चौपाल पर बात तो करी पर लोगो ने जैसे बताया है आगे से वैसे ही करेंगे और चौपाल पर ज्यादा सतर्क रहेंगे | ध्यान दे कम्युनिटी से पूछे बिना कोई ग्रांट नहीं आगे जाती है।

समर्थन बहुत पुराने है और बहुत कुछ बदल चुका है

यह कार्य २०१४ से प्लान किया जा रहा है अगर आप विस्तार से देखे तो सारी हिंदुस्तानी भाषा पर काम करने का इरादा है पर चर्चा में यह साफ़ हुआ की एक भाषा से शुरू किया जाएगा। हिंदी इस लिए क्योंकि भारत सरकार विदेश में हिंदी पर बहुत काम करती है और हम चाहते है की फाउंडेशन का पैसे कम से काम उपयोग हो।

अगर कुछ चीज़े रह गयी हो तो ज़रूर बताये और एक बार फिरसे माफ़ी माँगना चाहूंगा। AbhiSuryawanshi (talk) 22:12, 29 September 2017 (UTC)Reply

Notification to endorsees for updation in proposal post their endorsements

Latest comment: 7 years ago7 comments5 people in discussion

Hello fellows and thanks for your endorsement to this Grants proposal. But you are being notified now that the project which you had endorsed has been edited on 25 September to actually include the grant figures now. Your re-endorsement/comments are hence requested. Dharmadhyaksha (talk) 04:57, 3 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

@अभय नातू, Pallaviagarwal90, Dsvyas, Harej, Yohannvt, Djembayz, श्वेता कोकाटे, Suyash.dwivedi, Sukeerti.Bhopal, Swapnil.Karambelkar, Shreya.Bhopal, Vijay Tiwari09, राजू जांगिड़, Abhijeet Safai, and Shangkuanlc:
Thanks a lot! I am aware of the developments and I congratulate Mr. Abhishek for all his efforts for the proposal including budget. I support the budget. Thank you. -- Abhijeet Safai (talk) 05:06, 3 October 2017 (UTC)Reply
In fact I will be editing the proposal for possible grammatical and formatting errors as I will get time. Thank you. -- Abhijeet Safai (talk) 05:08, 3 October 2017 (UTC)Reply
Everyone is free to criticize the proposal. But I can see that some people have tried to make personal attack on Mr. Abhishek by saying that he is a fraud! I would like to bring it to their attention that this is highly unacceptable and I have felt a lot bad by these kinds of personal attacks. Please note, I have no issues if the proposal is criticized. In fact that is expected. But I do not see any point in personal attacks. I would suggest people who have made personal attacks to apologize. Anyone who comes with any kind of interesting and useful proposal is welcome. Anyone who comes up with such a proposal will receive support from me. Thank you. -- Abhijeet Safai (talk) 05:12, 3 October 2017 (UTC)Reply
I believe that Foundation Staff would automatically take a note of the signatures before they approve the project and sanction the amount. In case, there was a foul intention, time stamp could have been altered or sock-puppet accounts could have been generated. Why this didn't happen?It seems that anyone can buy an aeroplane here by fooling the community. Anyways,Dharmadhyaksha to make things transparent the entire discussion has already been moved to the village pump some 4 days back, you were participating out there and may like to check the responses out there in Hindi as well. At last, Community review process begins on 4th October.It is too my observation that some editors are correlating this project grant as a rapid grant.They are different.I too don't support the idea of personal remarks. -Abhinav619 (talk) 09:15, 3 October 2017 (UTC)Reply
Hello! Thank you for tagging me. I am aware of the proposal and support it. Thank you! Pallaviagarwal90 (talk) 04:55, 4 October 2017 (UTC)Reply
Thank you everyone for your comments and the support. I am a student dentist at Virginia Commonwealth University and I can provide offline on ground support in Washington DC and Virginia. Proposal is in a good shape now, great to see 25% external support. श्वेता कोकाटे (talk) 11:46, 4 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

A very well written proposal

Latest comment: 7 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I am not much aware about other proposals, but seeing this proposal, I must say that it is a very well written proposal. Thank you. -- Abhijeet Safai (talk) 05:43, 3 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

Eligibility confirmed, round 2 2017

Latest comment: 7 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
 
This Project Grants proposal is under review!

We've confirmed your proposal is eligible for round 2 2017 review. Please feel free to ask questions and make changes to this proposal as discussions continue during the community comments period, through 17 October 2017.

The committee's formal review for round 2 2017 begins on 18 October 2017, and grants will be announced 1 December. See the schedule for more details.

Questions? Contact us.

--Marti (WMF) (talk) 02:19, 4 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

Community questions to WMF

Latest comment: 7 years ago9 comments4 people in discussion

Hello @Mjohnson (WMF):and team, Hindi Community is having few doubts. I have compiled all questions and translated them. There is some confusion on how Project Grant works. It would be great if you could explain them.AbhiSuryawanshi (talk) 04:19, 5 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

  • This one grant budget is equivalent to 10 Rapid Grants, if approved - does it mean that next 10 or more Hindi Community grants will be cancelled?
(Many community members would like to know about it as they are planning to apply rapid grants in future)
Receiving a Project Grant does not impact the number of Rapid Grants a community may apply for. We are currently considering a cap on the number of grants an affiliate (user group, chapter, thematic organization) or group of individuals can have at one time due to concerns about capacity issues. However, as long as there are qualified community members who want to run a project, we are happy to accept and review their Project or Rapid Grant applications. Please note that any individual or group of individuals can apply for a Project or Rapid Grant -- they do not have to be members of a user group.
  • What are parameters for giving out grant? If someone gets 100 endorsements for low quality project and other person gets only negligible endorsements for quality project, which Project will be chosen? is it based on votes?
(There are concerns about lobbying and influencing others to receive grant, few members asking for money/commission to support and endorse and few offering incentives to oppose grants - personal attacks are made)
There are a lot of considerations that go into reviewing and approving a grant. Project Grants go through an intensive review process that includes the Program Officer, a grant review committee made up of Wikimedia volunteers, as well as input from additional experts both at WMF and the Wikimedia community based on the project. You can see the committee scoring rubric here. You can read about the basic selection criteria for a Rapid Grant here. The endorsement section is used to get a quick pulse of how well the applicant has reached out to their community and if there is support. We appreciate any constructive criticism on the talk page since that type of feedback warrants more discussion. The endorsements section is in no way a voting mechanism and plays a relatively small role in the evaluation of the grant. There has been some confusion about this section and we are re-thinking how and if it should be used in future rounds.
  • What is the maximum limit for Hindi Community to receive grants?
(Community members want to choose programs accordingly)
There is no limit currently on the number of grants a community can receive. However, as noted above we are thinking about a cap for the number of grants any individual or group can have running at one time due to capacity concerns.
  • WMF will transfer big amount in personal bank account?
(Few community members want to know how these grants are given and what happens after approval)
Project Grants are awarded in two installments -- the first half is given upon signing of the grant agreement. The second installment is given after review and approval of the mid-point report. All grantees are required to provide expense documentation for their grant.
  • How many grants can be given to one individual from Hindi Community?
(This will also help other members to plan their own grants)
Please see answers above.
Hi AbhiSuryawanshi. Thanks for making the effort to translate the questions. I will insert the answers above. Best, Alex Wang (WMF) (talk) 03:18, 14 October 2017 (UTC)Reply


Hello @Mjohnson (WMF)::, I see that Grant is now qualified for Round 2. I don't know what did parameter you taken. But I want to tell you something.
  1. In grant, grantee wrote that this event is organized by Hindi Wikimedians. But I am the member Hindi Wikimedians. And there is no official discussion to organize this event. So how are you sure that this event is organized by Hindi Wikimedians User Group. AbhiSuryawanshi Can you give the link of User group Discussions to wmf Members?
  2. In some time before grantee wrote that He contracted with Hindi Wiki Admins. But here I want to tell that most of Hindi Wiki Admins are anonymous. So how grantee contracted them? And One Admin told on Local Village Pump that Any Personal talk reflect his personal opinion, not Community. So How Much you sure about information which was given by grantee?
  3. See Endorsements, How much you sure that Endorsements are right? I am Reviewer on Hindi Wikipedia. And I don't know Most of the Endorsements User. Because 70% Users are not Belong the Hindi Wiki Coummity. And Left 30 Users are not Contribute Regularly. Only आर्यावर्त, Raju Jangid, Swapnil.Karambelkar, Suyash Dwivedi is the regular Contributor. So How much you sure that Endorsements are right? Most of the Local Wiki Community Members are not supporting.
  4. Most of the Endorsements are very old. Many things are changed including adding Budget. So what you think about that?
  5. See Hindi Wiki Local Village Pump Archive. The grantee told only that He is thinking that One event should be organized in New York. But There is no Grant link and budget provide by him to the community. How much you sure that this ise right?--Jayprakash12345 (talk) 04:45, 11 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

@Mjohnson (WMF): This is Donator's Money. Please Don't Waste on Fool Grant. --Jayprakash12345 (talk) 04:50, 11 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

Ashish Bhatnagar, Suyash Dwivedi, Anamdas You are the contract person of Hindi User Group. Here Please Clarify that Is Hindi Wikimedian User Group orgnizing this event. If yes Where you Disscus this with User menbers.--Jayprakash12345 (talk) 12:18, 11 October 2017 (UTC)Reply
I Think This is a Big cheating and foundation member also support this. so i have stop editing on wikipedia. becouse lots of cheating found in this grant proposal. i am one of reviewer in hindi wikipedia.--आर्यावर्त (talk) 11:03, 12 October 2017 (UTC)Reply
About cheating - Reviewers, administrators as well as general editors edit because they are passionate about Wikimedia projects. WMF as well as general Wiki community always discouraged paid editing. This proposal is 'not about editing', this proposal focuses on forming partnerships with various organizations for betterment of Wikimedia projects. Apart from that, silence does not mean cheating or bad intentions - it simply means people are busy and they need time to reply. I hope it is clear now and now we would like to hear your feedback and constructive criticism on this proposal. Do you think partnerships will help Wikimedia communities in general? - AbhiSuryawanshi (talk) 15:42, 15 October 2017 (UTC)Reply
its clear if you withdraw this request and after do not make any grant request name of hindi wikipedia without pre community clear discussion. thanks.--आर्यावर्त (talk) 14:00, 16 October 2017 (UTC)Reply
Community notifications were sent on time, it is still open for community review. Other community members are posting their questions, and we are answering them as soon as possible.
Feel free to express your individual views/concerns and avoid labeling your personal opinion as community decision. -- AbhiSuryawanshi (talk) 18:20, 16 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

Pilot Projects and Impact

Latest comment: 7 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Hi @AbhiSuryawanshi: First of all, it's so good to see such a well thought out plan for outreach in Hindi. The plan is ambitious and I like that about it. I would like to ask you if you have conducted any pilot projects prior to this grant request?

  • If yes, then I would like the pilots for the mentioned activities to be linked to the original grant request along with their impact.
  • If not and if this acutally is the pilot itself (as you have mentioned in the grant request), then IMHO it is better to start small as pilot projects are meant to be small and then you can scale up.

--Satdeep Gill (talk) 10:56, 12 October 2017 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Satdeep Gill:,
Thank you so much for reviewing our proposal. We would be more than happy to answer your questions.
This is an extended Pilot project, in 2014 and 2015 we were in touch with Hindi Rajbhasha Dept, Govt of India. They offered us support and resources :and were able to host 1st event Hindi Wikipedia Conference in Delhi. We never got an opportunity to utilize these resources and form official :partnership. You may find WMF blog about previous Hindi Conf here. Apart from that, I was contacted in 2016 by Ministry of External Affairs in New York on Indian Independence Day Celebration and we discussed possibility of Wiki collaboration with Hindi organizations with the help of government.
This proposal is also a result of WikiConnect Project. We are having various conversations at different Wiki and non-wiki events from last 3 years. All these collaborations/conversations and meetings happened without any grant support and now we feel that it is time to move forward with dedicated personnel so more Wikimedians can get benefit from Govt of India partnership.
About scale -
Our proposal targets only 5 main organizations mostly based in one city and there are 1000+ organizations which promote Hindi and/or directed by the Government of India to promote Hindi.
The Indian Constitution under Article 351 encourages all government entities to promote Hindi language in India as well as abroad. If you combine all these, then this project is having huge sustainability and scalability even without WMF funding in the future. Current proposal is having 25% sponsorship and next step could be full sponsorship.
After this pilot project - Government might consider implementing similar program  in other Indian Embassies (Govt of India is having Consulates in all major countries for issuing VISA and promoting Indian culture abroad). World Hindi Secretariat is also expanding its operations soon and we feel that this is a right to launch our pilot project. AbhiSuryawanshi (talk) 08:35, 14 October 2017 (UTC)Reply
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