Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Calvary Christian High School
After-closing comment
The following comment was added after the discussion was closed
The result of the debate was Delete. While it's nice that Tony Sidaway personally thinks this article should be kept, his views on this are irrelevant in deciding whether it should be kept. There were five delete votes and five that wanted it to be deleted and sent to BJAODN, and only two keep votes. Voting to send to BJAODN has never meant that the article should be kept in its current form, although it has also never made a judgement on whether it should return in a future decent article. I see no reason to change this practice now (and at the very least not on the unilateral word of Tony), and as such I'm deleting the article per the VFD consensus and according appropriate protest on WP:ANI. Ambi 13:58, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
- There are two schools of thought on consensus when closing VfDs. One school of thought is that votes should be divided up into broad groups (delete, keep, etc), with for instance merge counting as keep unless otherwise indicated, and that the group with the largest number of votes should be sought to see if a consensus can be found. The other is that each vote is separate and consensus is only found if people explicitly say "delete", "merge", or "keep" vote, otherwise there is no consensus. As a closer I adopt the latter view because it more accurately reflects the tenor of discussion. In that view this discussiona arrived at no consensus. Ambi is correct to state that voting for BJAODN has never meant that the article should be kept in its current form, and I addressed this explicitly in my closing comments, saying that any copyright violations should be dealt with in the appropriate place and the article should probably be relisted if there is no serious attempt to write a sensible article within 28 days. Ambi has speedied the article after a close in which there was no consensus to delete. As closer I am therefore restoring it. BJAODN is an ambiguous vote, and I do not think it would be fair for me to second guess the meaning of such votes when each voter could quite easily say, if it was his intention, that the article itself must be deleted.
- On a point of detail, it's incorrect to say that I "personally [think] this article should be kept." Inasmuch as I have an opinion, it was expressed outside the discussion where I said it was a joke article and would probably be deleted. However there were not enough delete votes to support this when I closed.
- I specialize in late closings--the ones that others tend not to touch--and they do tend to be controversial, so I'm not too surprised to find controversy here. However it is wrong to delete an article without consensus. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 14:33, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
- BJAODN is not an ambiguous vote. It has always been, and will always be, a vote to delete. You do not get to discount votes because they are not wikilawyers and do not see the need to spell out the blatantly obvious. I'll let this one slip because you've taken the time to rewrite it as a stub, but if you persist in overriding people's votes, I'll ask that the arbitration committee steps in. If Cecropia pulled a stunt like this on WP:RFA, he'd be de-bureaucratted in twenty seconds. Ambi 01:41, 31 July 2005 (UTC)