User talk:Fenian Swine/Archive 1
- i myself am a fenian and like most fenians i think that brits are a bunch of gobshites.
Wikipedia has a policy of not allowing provocative usenames that may cause offence to other users. You name is likely to fall foul of that policy. I suggest that you change it. Otherwise there is a likelihood that the name will be changed by Wikipedia itself. FearÉIREANN
\(caint) 17:40, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
- If anyone thinks this name is offensive leave a message on this page.Otherwise I will not change it.--Fenian Swine 01:00, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
- What will simply happen is that people will complain to admins because they think your name is an attack on 'fenians' (ie, republicans and nationalists), or an admin will see your name, decide it is a breach of Wikipedia naming rules, and either block you from Wikipedia for using an "offensive name", or automatically delete your name and move you to something else whether you like it or not. Names that are seen as provocative, offensive or attacking, are automatically deleted and frequently the user is blocked. If you want to risk being blocked from Wikipedia for a name that may cause offence to people, that is your right. But don't be surprised if you then end up blocked from being on Wikipedia or having your name forceably changed over your head. FearÉIREANN
\(caint) 01:15, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
- Give me an example of this(people complaining to administrators).Otherwise this is just a racist bombardment of the Republican movement.--Fenian Swine 17:59, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
- You'd be well advised to listen. Your compatriot is just trying to help you. Deb 21:49, 8 August 2005 (UTC) PS. I'm not English.
- I am listening.Its just that no one would ever find my name offensive.Im clearly not slagging fenians considering I am one.--Fenian Swine 23:23, 8 August 2005 (UTC) P.S.I'm a Fenian and your not funny.
People regularly misunderstand names here. One user called himself Jesus saves. He was a born-again Christian. But Christians thought he was mocking christianity, eventually a complaint was lodged and his name was blocked. One user decided that my Irish name was threatening because he thought it meant fear eireann (ie, be afraid of me!). Your name is not offensive to me because I know what it means. But others, going by past history, will see it come on edits and presume that you are attacking fenians and that all your edits are anti-Irish, and so they may automatically rollback your edits, and follow everything you write. The trouble with sarcastic names is that you may mean it to mean one thing, but someone else may think it is something else. Or some admin may see it, deem it offensive and anti-Irish, and hit the block button. It isn't worth the hassle, mate. At least calling yourself 'The Fenian' or something would be less likely to cause trouble for yourself. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 23:36, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
- Someone seriously offended by a name would surely check this page and see it's a sarcarstic pro-republican name! KEEP IT Tunney 22:27, 21 August 2005 (UTC).Cheers Tunney.--Fenian Swine 22:45, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
Unwelcome?
I would like to know why I never got welcomed into the Wickie community and was never given a set of rules like other newbie's.Is this because of my highly controversial and offensive;) name.--Fenian Swine 03:00, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
- Certainly not! You're very welcome. It was probably just an oversight. If you let me know what your new username is, I'll welcome you on that too! Clair de Lune 08:20, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
Kilmacud Crokes
The article is much better now, you can remove the tag--nixie 02:41, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
Categories
I've just reverted your recent edits to Terry Wogan, Gerry Adams, Michael Collins, and Johnny Giles because they all included the identical category line [[Category:Irish people|Beresford, John]], which means they all get classified under the "B"s. Please be a bit more careful with cut'n'paste and remember to put the person's actual name in the line! :) -- Arwel 01:25, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
- You were a bit quick asking your question while I was typing my explanation! Cheers. -- Arwel 01:27, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
Welcome
Better late than never! :-) Here it is;
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Not sure what to make of your username. Reckon you'd do well to listen to FearÉireann as he knows wot's wot. Seeya - Pete C ✍ 01:48, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
- It is'nt offensive in any way.Read my 'user page'.I'm not slagging fenian's.--Fenian Swine 01:50, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
- Not saying it is (nor is FearÉireann, far as I can see). Just that you're going to wind up getting blocked. :-/ - Pete C ✍ 01:53, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
- Excuse me for butting in here, but I would have to agree with FearÉireann. Wikipedia is a serious project, and a name such as yours which could be seen prima facie to be provocative (e.g. as it was to me) will not do you favours. --Kwekubo 03:06, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
- For fenian's sake,I am taking it seriously.Look at the pages I've added and big edit's I've made.It is not as if Im vandilising Wikipedia.And if their is any doubt about this please check out This to show my seriousness.--Fenian Swine 18:36, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
- I am not necessarily suggesting that you are not a worthwhile contributor - I am merely stating that at first glance your name arouses suspicion. --Kwekubo 20:27, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
Davetunney RFA
Hello. May I ask why you nominated User:Davetunney for admin? He is new to the project with only a few edits. Jonathunder 03:33, 2005 August 22 (UTC)
Tá brón orm faoi seo.--Fenian Swine 13:02, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
Rory Gallagher
I see the confusion now, as Gallagher cannot be cleanly classified as either a Cork person or a Donegal person alone, so Category:Irish people would be more appropriate. But if e.g. the Cork people is used, it is not necessary to use the Irish people cat too as one is a subset of the other. --Kwekubo 20:27, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
- It could be argued that he is both from Cork and Donegal, and someone from one place would probably try to replace one with the other - it's probably cleaner to put him at Category:Irish people. Also, just to let you know, your timestamp is one hour slow - you should reset it to UTC (see your user preferences).
Vandalism
You have vandalised my user page I suggest a ban. Tunney 23:26, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, its the British Isles
"I hate the term British Isles.English people should get over themselves.They no longer have an empire to speak of and hopefully Scotland and Wales will leave the empire.They are in the 'Celtic Isles' after all."
Sorry to bust your bubble but there are no grounds for calling these isles Celtic. They have being known as the Prettanic/Brettanic or British Isles for over two thousand years. Why? Because that was the name of the peoples living there. In contrast, very few if any of the peoples of the isles ever called themselves Celts, mainly because they were'nt. Cheers. Fergananim 23.8.05.
What clubs play in the 'Celtic League'.Irish,scottish and Welsh.So there are more Celtic nations in the so called Br*t*ish Isles.Bubble unburst.Go raibh míle.--Fenian Swine 23:19, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
- But none of those nations have much Celtic blood. The Celts were based in central and western Europe, with only very small sections of their population based in these isles - and the majority of them were in what is now England. Baseing your argument on what sports group calls itself dos'nt exactly demonstate any depth of intelligence germane to the issue on your part. Fergananim25.8.05.
I don't understand your argument. The big island's called "Britain" because that's what the (Celtic) people who lived there called it. If it were the English who'd named it after themselves, they'd be the English Isles, and you'd have a strong point. But it wasn't, they aren't, and you don't. Clair de Lune 08:23, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
Well thats your problem is'nt it.signed 'blocked user' --Fenian Swine 13:47, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
- Also these island have been called British by other people e.g. the romans.There were not called british by the people that count i.e. the irish.so this point is a poorly made point.we are green we are white we are f***ing dynamite.
Actually they were as a perusal of the early Irish annals will show you. Fergananim 25.8.05
- actually your right,fergananim the infallible,
Technicalities
Technically "Ireland and the UK" is not synonymous with "British Isles."
- The Isle of Man is not legally part of the United Kingdom, it is Crown Dependency.
- Although the smaller islands off shore of Ireland are either part of the Republic of Ireland or Northern Ireland, geographically speaking they are not part of island of Ireland. Most people do not realize that the official name for the Republic is either simply "Éire" or "Ireland", so it can lead to confussion between the reference to the country or the island, particularly for articles dealing with natural geography.
- Use of "Ireland, the UK, and the Isle of Man" would leave out the Channel Islands and Rockall, although this may actually be desireable as their categorization as British Isles is disputable.
--Eoghanacht 15:36, 2005 August 24 (UTC)
- Well Ireland is a soveirgn,anti-british state so the term in question should be fucked on the scrap heap.Celtic isles is far more aquarate.--Muc Fíníneach 22:03, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
It may be appropriate to you but it is not used, and furthermore is inaccurate as there was never much of a Celtic population in the islands. So its a rather pointless term. And please define anti-British Fergananim 25.8.05
OK OK it is the British Fucking Isles --Muc Fíníneach 16:23, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
Its not the British Fucking Isles, its the British Isles. Fergananim 17:04, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
- NOTE: I didnt write OK OK it is the British Fucking Isles --Muc Fíníneach 16:23, 26 August 2005 (UTC).That was that fucking bollox mr swine.i was not in the house at the time and i have proof of that.--Play Brian Moore 21:07, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
here is my proof contributions
User Name
Greetings Fenian Swine, I have been trying to have a reasoned discussion about your username with the self important and opinionated 'admins' here. I thought you might like to know that one particularly authoritarian specimen has listed your name on RFC, suggesting you be 'forced' to change it. As is usual with their kind they had not even the courtesy to let you know. You may wish to go and comment. Sorry for the various anon IP's but I have already fallen foul of their elitist 'shoot first, ask later' methods. Cheers. --84.68.18.21 15:49, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
- I did warn you, FS, of the sort of trouble your name would get you in to. Whatever serious work you do on Wikipedia will be completely overshadowed by your username and that is not in your best interests. What is likely to happen is that you will find your name banned as offensive and you will be forced to change it or it will be changed over your head. If you want to make serious contributions, you would be well advised to change it, or at least translate it into Irish so that English speakers do not know what it means. You are going to end up with continuous aggro from users as long as you call yourself Fenian Swine and people suspicious of your name will watch every edit you make for bias or vandalism because they will presume you are simply on Wikipedia to cause trouble. It really isn't worth the hassle, man, if all you are doing is trying to contribute to Wikipedia. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 23:48, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
- " [..] at least translate it into Irish [..]" - what, Moc na bhFiain?? :-D Sorry, sorry! - Pete C ✍ 23:53, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
Don't worry most people agree with me.see this and this.--Fenian Swine 23:56, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
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>>"I assume you mean semi-literate?" —— No. Not really. Squib 00:56, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
- No worries. Americans hate hyphens even more than boorish internet handles. Squib 01:10, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
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Zoe 05:08, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
Under which authority have you blocked this username Zoe? I see no concensus for a block on either WP:AN or RfC. You seem be acting unilaterally on this one. Some of you admins need to be locked up or put on a leash, this is just an abuse of power. Tiocfaidh Ar La! --81.79.249.207 06:17, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
- That's Tiocfaidh Ár Lá - If you're going to use silly Provo slogans in a vain attempt to intimidate, at least try to spell them properly. Another reason why the username was provocative in the first place - Pete C ✍ 06:51, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
- I apologise for failing to use non standard characters in my edit. Be less pedantic and try addressing the real point - under what authority has Zoe blocked this user name? Where is the concensus for it? The only substantial vanity that pervades WP, oozes out from WP:AN and other hangouts used by the self proclaimed 'admins'. The sycophantic ramblings emanating from these forums really is vomit inducing at times. Next you will tell me there is no cabal. --81.79.249.207 07:30, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
Look, if you're here to stir up the shit, you succeeded. If you're not, why not just change the name? No one's attacking your political beliefs. Some people are sensitive about what they perceive to be attacking or aggressive user names. You could call yourself The Fenian or even The Swine, and I think there would be no harm done. We're here to build an encyclopaedia, so what does it matter what we're called? Clair de Lune 08:03, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
- Please see my response on RfC. I am not here to stir up shit, rather I am here over a matter of principle. I am also not Fenian Swine or Muc Fíníneach as he may be about to become, though I think he should stick to his guns. --81.79.249.207 08:49, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
Muc Fíníneach. Go for it.
Lapsed Pacifist 08:10, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
How effective is this block considering I can still edit.--Fenian Swine 13:44, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
- Show some gratitude BITCH :) --Mr Swine 16:38, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
- c'mon BITCH, speak up. woops --Mr Swine 17:24, 24 August 2005 (UTC)
Mr. Swine
I don't hate you, I only thought your User name was inappropriate. I personally don't have a problem with the new one, though I know what it means, I'll leave it up to a Gaelic speaker to ojbect. I have blocked Mr. Swine indefinitely. Zoe 23:55, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
Dublin Mean Time
Anyone willing to help see here
Fuss
Sorry to bother you about username things, but might I suggest that you create an account for "Muc Fíníneach" (even if you don't intend to use it). Because, if you don't, somebody else might. We have too many impersonation attempts as it is. As far as I am concerned you can name yourself after any mammal you like. Radiant_>|< 10:35, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
Also you won't get the "you have new messages" notice when someone posts a message here. And the user contributions link wont appear in the toolbox. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 11:54, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
- look I didnt create the problem.I did not block myself.So I'm not dealing with the consequences.Talk to the admin who started all this off.The best I can do for you is to change my name back to 'Fenian Swine'.: ).--Muc Fíníneach 14:11, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
- Actually your username still is Fenian Swine. It looks like someone has registered this account now and are going round making offensive comments in your name. I'm off to block the account now for trolling and will delete your redirects to this page. BTW I couldn't care less about your username. Theresa Knott (a tenth stroke) 17:37, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
How can you re-unify that which was never unified in the first place?
I'm not disputing the existance of the Irish nation. What I am asking about is how Ireland could or can yet be re-unified as one policial unit covering the whole island, when such a thing never was. Fergananim 25 August 2005
- you clearly have different views to the ones I have based on some of the edit's you've made.Ireland was a single political unit as The Kingdom Of Ireland.And by anti-british I mean against british.No matter how much people of Ireland like to sugar coat it,many Irish people do not like brits(english) and put down everything british(english).It was discused on the Moncrieff show yesterday(NewsTalk 106 and many people showed their anti-british(english) feelings.On the Celtic Isles thing,it is not an official article or anything.I'm entitled to my opinion.--Play Bobby Moore 22:27, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
No, it wasn't (unless you are happy to accecpt that the King of such a Kingdom sat in London). I don't know how many times I have to repeat this (but once more with feeling) Ireland was never a single political unit under Gaelic control. You had different individual kingdoms but never a unified Irish state - which is the crux of my argument that you cannot have Irish reunification because it never existed in the first place.: You originally asked How can you re-unify that which was never unified in the first place.You never said anything about it being gaelic ruled.You are a huge hypocrite and are not welcome to edit this page anymore.Get your facts right and you may.--Play Brian Moore 22:08, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
Being anti-British is another subject but seeing as you keep brining it up ... Britian and England are two different things. Britian is the name of the island of which the English nation is a part (the others being Scotland, Wales and to some, Cornwall). You clearly don't seem to understand the difference between the two; if that were so, then we (as inhabitants of one of the British Isles) could rightly be called English (or indeed British). We're not, you know.
- I dont keep bringing it up.You asked me to please define anti-British.Also these Island are not british.Your clearly the Dope.--Play Brian Moore 22:08, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
So frankly I don't know how you can be against something when you clearly don't have a clue what it is you are against.
You are entitled to your opinions, but untill you can actually begin to back them up with facts and reasons why it should be so called, they are facile and to be blunt, dumb. It would be like calling these Isles the English Isles because we all speck English! If you cannot do that, or engage in civil discussion, you have no business on Wikipedia. Fergananim 17:16, 26 August 2005 (UTC)well you should get your facts right.Ever heard of gaeltacht.Well they speak this magical language there called Irish.So your wrong.We don't all speak english.HA!Gobshite.--Play Brian Moore 22:08, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
- There are celtic roots in Scotland, which is part of Britain. Britain is not England, being British is not being English. That pisses me off no end, being called English when I am not. First I am Scottish, second I am British, third I am a UK citizen. These islands are the British isles, your revisionist view of history will not change that. --OorWullie 17:59, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
- here d*ckhead f*ck off with your absolute b*ll*cks.Ireland existed as one political unit,with a king in london,as the kingdom of ireland.I no the difference between english and british.but what im saying is I have a problem with the english people of britain.i have no problem with the scotts/welsh.And to say i have no buisness here is the biggest bunch of complete and utter b*ll*x i have ever heard in all my 15years alive.i have made serious edits to this project while u have got caught up on this 'celtic isles' debacle.i never claimed i was in infallible.i never wrote this page as a serious page.i just wrote it as a partly true statement on my user page.so f*ck off and get on with the project at hand i.e. wiki.--Play Brian Moore 21:00, 26 August 2005 (UTC) and sorry for the language but it was appropriate in the context of this stupid debate.
- Thanks for your considered reply. It is a bit late apologising for your language after the event. Please read Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks, you might get on better in the community. --OorWullie 16:53, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
It was'nt, and neither are you. 83.71.162.221 21:51, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
- what u on about u unsigned user.--Play Brian Moore 21:54, 26 August 2005 (UTC)