Talk:Prussian Blue (duo)
Inclusion of the father's choice of cattle brand
I take issue with this:
"(It should be noted that the girls' father feels it is a demonstration of the power of freedom of speech that he is allowed to use the swastika for his cattle brand.)"
I'm unclear as to why this is included; it is a demonstration of the power of freedom of speech, that's fairly obvious. He's not saying that's the reason why he registered it.
(above comment by User:64.209.125.2)
- I agree, so I've gone ahead and removed it. It's not clear why it "should be noted", or what this is trying to say. --Delirium 03:49, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
Vandalism
I share the sentiment that these stupid racists do not deserve much dignity but that's no reason to vandalize this article... Anyhow, the article should get some temporary protection to stop the vandalism. I may be missing something here but I do believe only admins can protect a page, so please admins, do. Michael Sappir 21:21, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
- This shouldn't be deleted or vandalized, the news about these folks needs to spread far and wide. The fact that racism is still alive and well in America isn't something that should be swept under the carpet. You can't fight something that you can't see. Wow, only in America 35.11.183.82 21:26, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
I don't think the page needs protection. Plenty of experienced editors are watching it. Let's not confuse the truly sad appearance of parental exploitation and cluelessness on the girls' part with Wikipedias role as an encyclopedia. Keeping the article unlocked will permit the content to evolve and stabilize into NPoV. Wyss 21:58, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
STOP THE MADNESS!
Please, you two: take it to the Talk page, and stop reverting each other. Work out some NPOV language that expresses the girls' views neutrally, however misguided they may be. Our readers aren't so stupid they won't see the views are evil. Also, express how the views make others sad, if that can be documented from original sources. Thank you!--GraemeMcRaetalk 22:35, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
I've referred it to 3rr. The vandal repeatedly blanked/removed supported content. Wyss 22:39, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
To User 170.215.171.13 - Please do not edit the record label, unless it is wrong. If it is wrong, please provide the right label. Also, you added "The ABC interview for PrimeTime was heavily edited in order to represent Prussian Blue's music as "hate." Their answers to the reporter's questions were seldom completely shown and were frequently taken out of context while wholly inappropriate images were paraded across the viewer's television screen", but on who's standards? Please add sources, as the info as it is seems biased. --Shadowolf 23:15, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
Prussian Blue (United States)
Prussian Blue is a controversial white nationalist folk teen duo formed in early 2003 by Lynx and Lamb Gaede, twin girls brought up in the United States. Lynx plays violin and Lamb plays guitar. Both of the girls sing. They recorded and released a debut CD at the end of 2004 called Fragment of the Future (Resistance Records).
The record company "Resistance Records" did have the right to sell a certain number of Prussian Blue's "Fragment of the Future" CDs. However, the authorized distributor of this CD and for all other Prussian Blue products is April Gaede. Resistance Records has no general franchise on Prussian Blue items for sale. Further, there is a certain distrust between Prussian Blue and Resistance Records; however, if you wish to know more about that you should contact April Gaede for information.
I am a moderator at the official Prussian Blue website. I have been a friend of Lynx and Lamb's mother for several years. Although I live in West Virginia and no longer have much personal contact with the Gaede family, I used to see them once in a while around Hillsboro.
There is something that makes me doubt your devotion to the truth. You have accepted a quote from Ted Shaw, president of the NAACP's Legal Defense Fund, regarding how Lynx and Lamb Gaede came by their beliefs. Ted Shaw has NO CONNECTION with Prussian Blue. Ted Shaw has NO KNOWLEDGE about Lynx and Lamb Gaede. And yet you have accepted his biased quote regarding these girls as if he were some sort of "expert."
Why?
When I changed the reference to Ted Shaw, I wrote something much more in line with what Mr. Shaw might be expected actually to know: "Some people, including Ted Shaw, president of the NAACP's Legal Defense Fund, believe that Lynx and Lamb have been "brainwashed" by their mother and grandfather..." I downplayed Shaw's authority on this subject BECAUSE HE HAS NONE. And yet you prefer the post in which he claims knowledge that he does not really have to my more honest account.
Why?
The article I found here at first contained a number of sexual obscenities directed at two teenage girls, plus unsubstantiated and fictitious allegations to the effect that they were whores and drug addicts. I have kept a copy of that entry for my personal records. Why was that description of Lynx and Lamb Gaede permitted on your website?
Jerry Abbott (comment by Jenab)
- Because this website belongs to everybody on the Internet. Edits are not screened. That is not how Wikipedia works. People vandalized this article like they vandalize many others, and as a result the article has been temporarily protected, to avoid further vandalism. Wikipedia is not some evil organization looking for way to insult poor innocent young girls. Michael Sappir 01:12, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
- Or rather, racist young girls.
-- Миборовский U|T|C|E 01:13, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
- Or rather, racist young girls.
Someone
Can someone tell me what exactly ARE the great historical accomplishments of "your" race that make you proud to be white? Capitalism? Slavery? Genocide? Sitcoms? Guns? War? Pollution? Addiction? NAFTA? Thigh-Master? This your fucking white history, my "friend." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.198.92.137 (talk)
Has to be said
I had a dream, in this dream rascists/extremists including superwankish politically correct morons all jumped off a cliff.
Once they jumped off, the world is free of hate monging arseholes of both varities.
Then there was peace. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.30.45.201 (talk) 00:01, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
POV
""According to an article from ABC News, the girls are homeschooled by their mother, April, an activist and writer for the National Vanguard. The article further discusses the twins' maternal grandfather, who wears a swastika belt buckle, uses the Nazi symbol on his truck and even registered it as a cattle brand. Though the family was originally located in Bakersfield, California the twins' mother has reportedly sold their home because she fears that non-Whites there may be a threat to her children.
During their ABC interview, the twins stated that 6 million Jews were not killed during the Holocaust because there were not that many Jews in existence. The two also said they believe Adolf Hitler was a good man with some great ideas, such as eugenic standards and incentives to improve the genetic quality of the German people, such as marriage loans to help qualified German families begin upon a firm financial basis. "It really breaks my heart to see those two girls spewing out that kind of garbage," said Ted Shaw, president of the NAACP's Legal Defense Fund who added the girls aren't expressing their own opinions, but ones they're being taught.""
These last two paragraphs of "information" are the most POV things in the entire article. Why have they been allowed to remain? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.218.232.247 (talk) 00:36, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
- How are they POV?
-- Миборовский U|T|C|E 00:39, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
Deletion?
Deletion?
Why is this article marked for deletion? I see no reason why there should not be an article here. --Camipco 19:51, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
Anti-Prussian Blue blog?
Just wondering why it was removed.
I know on the official forums there is:
(QUOTE)
I changed it to a form more favorable to Prussian Blue and more in accordance with the facts. I got rid of all the obscenities. I deleted a gratuitous link to the anti-Prussian Blue Blog and replaced it with a link to the official Prussian Blue Blog. I also added links for this forum and to my Prussian Blue fan page. I added a link, also, to the music segment I made of PB's chorus from The Stranger.
)END(
Doesn't seem like the reason it was removed was exactly NPOV.
And for the guys on the PB forums, no, Wikipedia is not a "Jewish media" site. Eztli 01:21, 25 October 2005 (UTC) (Woops, grammar error and missing an important N)
- Well, this was fast turning into a neo-nazi advertisement campaign before it got "protected". Oh and I think Eztli meant NPOV instead of POV. :D
-- Миборовский U|T|C|E 01:32, 25 October 2005 (UTC)