User talk:Robchurch/January 2006
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I won't remove comments or criticisms or past messages, but I will archive them every month, if there's something to archive. I will also remove duplicated messages (retaining one copy, clearly marked as being retained) and will remove simple vandalism and personal attacks, per policy.
Deletion of Arvanitika
Did you delete Arvanitika? +MATIA ☎ 14:17, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply. I believe that if the article would be named Arvanitic language (I claim that Arvanitika language is the correct but let's skip that for now) then a redirect should exist from Arvanitika to the "correct" (actually "present") wiki.
- I also partly disagree with the archiving of the talk page. There's an open ArbCom case related to Arvanites. (I haven't parsed yet User:Matia.gr/Evidence and I have few notes at User:Matia.gr/Arvanites_sources)
- check also Special:Whatlinkshere/Arvanitika and Whatlinkshere for other deleted wikis. +MATIA ☎ 14:29, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
about consensus
The top 40% of Talk:Arvanites had reached a consensus (perhaps Talk:Arvanites#PROOF or somewhere around there is the "end"). I brought books with ISBNs and they are called invisible sources... +MATIA ☎ 14:37, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
about logs
Can you please tell me how can I see a log of the wiki-moves of Arvanitic language? Thanks. +MATIA ☎ 00:54, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
- Thank you very much :) +MATIA ☎ 01:00, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Vote
Hello, I took your advice and have arranged a poll over the name of the article in an attempt to build a neutral consensus. The poll ia at Talk:Arvanitic language#Requested move to move Arvanitic language to Arvanitic (linguistics), to reflect the fact that its status as a language or dialect is disputed. This is done in all other similar cases (Flemish (linguistics), Mandarin (linguistics) etc). Please vote support if you support the move. Rex(talk)
16:20, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
- Yes, I have listed this "straw-poll" on WP:RM. Are you sure that voting is not the way to go? The guidlines on WP:RM say that I'm supposed to list the page there with its proposed title and have a poll on the talk page of the article. Rex(talk)
20:08, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
- Responded on your talk page. Rob Church Talk | FAHD 09:28, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
- Yes, I have listed this "straw-poll" on WP:RM. Are you sure that voting is not the way to go? The guidlines on WP:RM say that I'm supposed to list the page there with its proposed title and have a poll on the talk page of the article. Rex(talk)
Hello, it's me again. What do you think should be done on Talk:Arvanitic language? It is quite clear that Arvanitic language is POV as it is contradicted by every other encyclopaedia and every linguist on the planet and even by the Arvanites of Northwestern Greece. ONLY the Arvanites of southwestern Greece say that it is a language in its own right and NO ONE else. Arvanitic (linguistics) is neutral, it is used in other identical cases eg Flemish (linguistics). MATIA and Theathenae are refusing to compromise. I hae suggested Arvanitika (linguistics) or Arvanitika plain. They cling to their obviously POV position. As they are obviously unwilling to co-operate, can't the page be moved to Arvanitic (linguistics) according to the rules at WP:RM and the poll consensus. I mean, every time someone comes along with a nationalist agenda, do we have to try to reason with them? Rex(talk) 13:12, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
- I'll start by quoting something a headmaster of mine once said:
- "Don't bring me problems, bring me solutions."
- Ultimately, yes you will have to reason with people, and yes you will need to garner consensus. I've spoken to Matia, who is perfectly willing to try to strike for a middle ground; so we just need to find that middle ground.
- I'm thinking of ways to help you guys work this one out - I'll come up with something in a few minutes, I hope. Rob Church Talk 14:17, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
I would write on the paragraph you removed that this is absolutely related (but the list of diffs is incomplete). +MATIA ☎ 14:24, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Hello again, what is going to happen with the result of that poll you set up? You told me that Matia.gr has indicated that he will be more flexible in his views. He hasn't, he is ridgedly sticking that stupid Arvanitika language, which I have explained many times why it should not be used. So far, the majority have voted for Arvanitic. When the poll is over is that where it will be moved? (assuming that that retains the majority vote). I have changed my views, he hasn't. It's quite clear that only he and Theathenae support that POV, that is why only they vote for them. They are not co-operating, they have not provided any sources, NOTHING! I know that you are acting out of good faith, but in this case, it's quite clear that Maita.gr and Theathenae will not change their views and nor will anyone else. There will never be a 100% support for one name. What is done in such circumstances? Rex(talk) 22:49, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
re: Yogi
Hi there. Everything in the Yogi article is a repetition of the Yogis section of Yoga. It should be a redirect, like it used to be. See Talk:Yogi for an old discussion of this matter. — goethean ॐ 16:54, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
- Yes, thanks for your help. — goethean ॐ 17:07, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Move
Thanks Robchurch! I will do as you say. The Ogre 18:11, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
My RfA
Thanks for your vote and comment in my RfA, Rob! Much appreciated! Babajobu 21:52, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Image:Deuel.jpg
Sir...thank you,
I will get to tagging the image as soon as possible. But I don't believe it has any copyright, however, because it has been featured on a number of sites. I shall shoot for Fair Use. Best regards. I am much obliged for your assistance.
Эрон Кинней 01:26, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
- Regardless of where the image has been on the web, it will still have a copyright owner; only photographs older than about 70 years (plus life of creator; exact details vary according to all sorts of complexities like where the photograph was created, etc.) will be in the public ___domain. Even freely-licensed images have copyrights.
- You may well get away with fair use on this one, provided that you
- State where the photo came from (try to get it from the source, or as near to as possible)
- Write an adequate fair use rationale - details on this are at the image copyright tags page linked to above
- Only use the image in the one article
- If you are going for fair use, you need to sort all this out quickly - we tend to clean out copyrighted stuff very fast. Rob Church Talk 13:37, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Pink Floyd
By your edits it seems you like Pink Floyd, it's too bad there is no Wikiproject for the band. What is the criteria for Wikiprojects, or if you know of course.
Old account
My old account is User:Kjspahis. I haven't used it for more than a year now. I didn't like that name and I didn't know that they could be changed back then. I think that you should know that an IP check has been performed on me and it retured no results. I am as white as a sheet, despite what Matia.gr and Theathenae may claim Check the result [1]. Apparently I live in the same city and use the same ISP as a certain vandal, but it turns out it cannot be me. This info emerged after a blatant invasion of my privacy and the publishing of my ISP on Wikipedia without asking me. They mentioned the vandal's ISP and they mentioned that I use the same ISP as the vandal. If you want to investigate multiple accounts, check Matia.gr's sockpuppet User:Mik2 or Theathenae's sockpuppet User:Thrakiotis. I believe and now he has double voted now. What is interesting is that I don't have an IP match with ANY OTHER ACCOUNT, WHERE ARE THE SOCKPUPPETS???
Anyway, don't you think it's time to move Arvanitic language to Arvanitic yet? There have been two polls, Matia's proposition is obviously unacceptable as it takes a side and says Arvanitic is a language, which bluntly denies the possibility of it being a dialect and that makes Wikipedia conflict with every linguist and encyclopaedia on earth. I want to use Arvanitic. It is neutral. It is an accurate name and we can add the links at the external links section of the article and let the reader make up his own mind over what he believes Arvanitic is. Anyway, there is a consensus for it according to the guidelines at WP:RM. How many polls are we supposed to have? I have amended my views in the interests of compromise, Matia.gr has not. He is stubbornly denying to accept simple facts. Wikipedia will become a laughing stock if his version is used as it contradicts the authorities on such subjects. Anyway, his views cannot be used under WP:NOR, WP:V and WP:CITE whereae Arvanitic can AND there is a consensus. Rex(talk) 17:59, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
- I've been accused in the past that I'm a sockpuppet of 3 other users. Mik2 is a 4th one. I've only edit wikipedia with this account, and once that there was a problem with logging in, I've claimed (signed) my edit later. See also User_talk:David_Gerard#request_for_user_check. I know I'm not a sockpuppet of anyone else, but I'm not aware of the check user results. +MATIA ☎ 19:14, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Neutral solution
Do you think that you could ask Matia and Theathenae to propose a "neutral solution" which is backed with sources and is not an obvious violation of Wikipedia policy. I'd ask them, but I'd probably be called an Albanian chauvinist and/or be accused of trolling. Please tell them to consider something outside the realm of Arvanitic/Arvanitika language as it is a violation of WP:NPOV, WP:V and WP:NOR, and try to think of a neutral compromise. I have done all I can! The y won't listen to me! I have showed flexibility, the ridgedly remain fixed to their POV position. They can't call a Arvanitic a language while every linguist on earth calls it a dialect. Rex(talk) 18:47, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
response for Naming conventions
It has been applied to other disputed languages (linguistically disputed: that is other say it is a dialect, other a language, other use the term variety, etc). Macedonian language (MKD) is a language I'm aware of, and Luxembourgish language is another one. There have been discussions on Macedonia related articles that MKD is close to Bulgarian language. I suppose Luxembourgish is close to German, the article is titled that way, and within the article it is analysed. I should have noticed that it doesn't have the proper tag, if you are aware of other related guidelines or conventions please let me know, (I do think that this is exactly for the dialect-language-variety-whatever else problem). +MATIA ☎ 19:11, 3 November 2005 (UTC)