Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/archive May 2004

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The page is a load of inflamatory anti-Croat, anti-Catholic propaganda.


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Do we really need an article on every mailing list in the world? -- Graham  :) | Talk 13:02, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

  • There are a few mailing lists out there that are notable enough to have articles. LKML is probably one of them. -- Cyrius|&#9998 16:43, Apr 14, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Important list. --AaronSw 17:47, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep - Tεxτurε 17:38, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Noninformative. Delete if not expanded by those who think it is important during the time-out. Mikkalai 02:33, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. BL 08:06, Apr 19, 2004 (UTC)

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Poorly written advert for some new online game that requires installing Shockwave. Niteowlneils 17:37, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

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Wikisource unless someone wants to write a summary (under a correctly spelled title). Niteowlneils 23:53, 14 Apr 2004 (UTC)

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add to this deletion debate * This should be merged with Olecko article. Oletzko is German transliteration of Olecko. County is wrong definition. It should be district and district town. There were no counties in German territorities. Dieter Simon 01:31, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Have placed on Wikipedia:Duplicate articles Dieter Simon 00:00, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)

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Dicdef. RickK 05:08, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

  • Delete. I can't see this expanding. Is there a culture or history of the use? Don't think so. Postdlf 8:05 17 Apr 2004
  • Delete. Really, how does one expand this? - Lucky 6.9 08:09, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. Cribcage 14:05, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

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  • Title of one section of a newspaper, unnecessary, like a separate entry for Chicago Tribune Sports. Original author didn't even know this was not the name of the religious article he meant it to refer to, now corrected in article (Christian Science Monitor). Delete. P.S. Sorry, can't see why wiki tag's not working :-/ Chris Rodgers 06:27, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

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1-Dicdef. 2-Non-English. 3-Plural. RickK 23:10, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)

  • Delete -- Cyrius|&#9998 05:12, Apr 18, 2004 (UTC)
  • not accurate either, delete ping 07:40, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Dicdef of a slang term. RickK 23:22, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Make into redirect for the appropriate slang article (whichever one that is). Postdlf 01:00 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

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Awful title, looks like it was copied from somewhere, refers to Tolkien in the present tense, breaks off in mid-sentence, could be merged into J. R. R. Tolkien if there is anything necessary to keep. RickK 04:27, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

  • Agree, delete. Tuf-Kat 04:39, Apr 18, 2004 (UTC)
  • It's probably a valid topic, but this page is useless. Exploding Boy 04:43, Apr 18, 2004 (UTC)
  • Dreadful. Delete. Pteron 04:51, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Ugh. Tolkien's artificial languages would make an interesting article topic, but this is just bad. Delete. Somebody go console Jonathan avidan, creating this page is his first edit. -- Cyrius|&#9998 05:00, Apr 18, 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. Not much I could add to the already-expressed derision. Postdlf 5:47 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Redirect to Languages of Middle-earth. Smerdis of Tlön 06:04, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
    • I knew there had to be an article on the subject somwhere, given all the other articles about Tolkein's works. Redirect. -- Cyrius|&#9998 06:25, Apr 18, 2004 (UTC)
    • Merge. Languages of Middle-earth is a topic I'd try and look for in this case. I vote to move all salvagable info here and delete the rest. --MGM 14:34, Apr 18, 2004 (UTC)
  • Maybe he's going to add more to it? Kinda looks that way. Withhold judgment for now. Everyking 06:14, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Merge anything useful and redirect to Languages of Middle Earth. The Trolls of Navarone 08:36, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Redirect to Tolkienist. Charles Matthews 13:09, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Neutral. This looks like a work in progress. - Lucky 6.9 18:56, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Redirect to Languages of Middle-earth. -Branddobbe 21:42, Apr 18, 2004 (UTC)

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Is it appropriate to have a taboo word as a title for a page?andycjp

  • Of course. The " F word" is one of our most heavily-visited pages. We're (mostly) adults here, and Wikipedia has long held (as far as I can tell) an anti-censorship policy. If it's encyclopedic, it stays. That said, I would support a way of "child-proofing" Wikipedia if I knew of one that was feasible, but presently there is none, and unless angry parents start banging on the doors, I doubt the "powers that be" will see a need for such. Mike Church 07:47, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • I was going to compose a reply beginning with an obscenity, but good taste won out. Keep. -- Cyrius|&#9998 08:47, Apr 18, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Exploding Boy 14:19, Apr 18, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Is it appropriate to use taboos as a reason to restrict information? Postdlf 16:43 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Bullshit is only a taboo word in some societies, not sure which ones though. Heh! Scope for an article there, List of Societies where bullshit is taboo. Just joking. ping 07:34, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)

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- *No Apparent reason for an article about this school. Exploding Boy 11:08, Apr 18, 2004 (UTC)

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Apparently not a character in classical mythology but a modern creation in the Xena: Warrior Princess TV show. I have no problem with articles on fictional characters but the context should be made clear. This article is confusing, spells the subject's name two different ways, etc. Delete until some Xena fan does a proper article. JamesMLane 12:20, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

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Nothing there. RickK 20:50, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

  • Although this is a substub right now, it is an important philosophical topic. Presumably the original author is planning to expand. Give him/her a chance. If not expanded by end of VfD period, then delete. Bkonrad | Talk 21:01, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • I expanded it a bit. It's still a stub, but at least it's a semi-useful stub now. There's still a lot to be done in terms of distinguishing it from Dasein, but seeing as Dasein doesn't even have an entry right now, that's probably a future task. Regardless, it's a work in progress, and an important one. Keep. Snowspinner 21:17, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep in its current form - looks promising. Pteron 04:29, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Ack! Give it a chance! It was listed on vfd the same day I started the article! Anyhow, yeah, it can be distinguished from Daesin because being-in-itself is a term that Sartre develops in his own direction. Thanks for the added text, btw. Keep. -Seth Mahoney 17:06, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Apparent self-promotion. john 21:03, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

  • Delete. Agreed. I think the fact that their "official site" is a crappy page on freewebs.com says something about how relevant they are. Besides, how do you simultaneously ban and decriminalize drugs? Postdlf 22:38 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete - looks like just some guy calling himself a party. The yahoo group has had 12 posts in the last 3.5 years. Mr. Kenney, you forgot to add the VfD notice to the page. -- Cyrius|&#9998 06:15, Apr 19, 2004 (UTC)
    • Oops...but I see it's been taken care of. john 07:25, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. Exploding Boy 13:55, Apr 19, 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. - Lucky 6.9 17:42, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • How does neo-prohibitionism tie in with autonomy btw? It mystifies me... Some guy who thought up a bogus party name decides to publicize on Wikipedia. Sweet, but delete. Pteron 17:45, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Vanity. RickK 21:06, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

  • My vote for now is to delete. Fails to mention any colourable basis for inclusion. --Daniel C. Boyer 21:27, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Delete. Exploding Boy 13:55, Apr 19, 2004 (UTC) PS: "Colourable"? Weheheheell. That's quite a word! Nicely done!
  • Delete Decumanus | Talk 14:00, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)

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Self-promotion, irrelevent, etc. Snowspinner 22:07 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)

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  • Meaningless rant from 24, probably only still here because no-one noticed it yet. Tannin 22:55, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Actually not completely devoid of meaning, should be clipped down and NPOVed (original content really belongs on disinfopedia), but I vote to keep. Addition of legal definition is desparately needed however Pteron 04:29, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep, thought it could use NPOVing. Continuing source of debate in protest politics. Radicalsubversiv 07:14, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Hmm. A tough one. Probably a worthy topic, but this article is really badly put together and frankly doesn't make a lot of sense. Keep if someone can fix it. Exploding Boy 13:50, Apr 19, 2004 (UTC)

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  • Substub that I found on a random page search. - Lucky 6.9 05:57, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep and expand. BTW the "contribute" link above directs to the Main Page. Exploding Boy 13:45, Apr 19, 2004 (UTC)

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This section describes how to list articles and their associated talk pages for deletion. For pages that are not articles, list them at other appropriate deletion venues or use copyright violation where applicable. As well, note that deletion may not be needed for problems such as pages written in foreign languages, duplicate pages, and other cases. Use Wikipedia:Proposed mergers for discussion of mergers.

Only a registered, logged-in user can complete steps II and III. (Autoconfirmed registered users can also use the Twinkle tool to make nominations.) If you are unregistered, you should complete step I, note the justification for deletion on the article's talk page, then post a message at Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion requesting that someone else complete the process.

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