Talk:Johnny Cash
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Hall of Fame typo?
Yes there is a mistake in the bottom of the page, all 3 were inducted into both country and Rock and roll hall of fame. however only Cash and Williams were inducted into Country, Rock and Roll and Song writer hall of fame.
There is a discrepency in the article. The opening paragraph states that Cash is one of three people (the other two stated to be Elvis Presley and Hank Williams Sr.) to have reached both the Country Hall of Fame and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. However, near the bottom of the article, listing his legacy, it is stated that he is one of only two people who was nominated to both halls of fame. Which is correct? Did or did not Hank Williams Sr. become nominated in both halls of fame? Crisco 1492 15:29, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
Personal Impact
I was never much of a country western fan. I think mainly because my father listened to it and professed it to be the only "good " music there was.
But inspite of that I seemed to gravitate to Johnny Cash. First, because he was kind of an out law, and then because he didn't just sing about the love lorn and heart broken. And he didn't have that annoying twang to his vocals that seemed to be the pre-requisite of the time to being a country singer. His songs and style where very human, very every man. Johnny Cash was able to transcend the back woods perception of CW music and bring it a newfound respect. He didn't dress in the glitzy rhinestones and patient leather cowboy boots. He was the Man in Black.
As I go through my CD collection, I am amazed at how much of Johnny Cash's work I have collected over the years. It rivals my Led Zeppelin collection and surpasses some of the other artists I have. I didn't realize how much of an influence he had to me until now.
Just like the man himself, he was always there but you just didn't know how much of him was there until he's gone.
Who is Mark Romanek? RickK 07:49, 13 Sep 2003 (UTC)
There is some discrepancy:
Johnny Cash article says "Boy named Sue" went to #3 and the Boy named Sue
article that it went to #2 in the US Pop Charts. ?
Kpjas
- "A Boy Named Sue" was #1 for 5 weeks in 1969 on the Country charts. It was #2 for 3 weeks on the Pop charts. I'll correct this in the Johnny Cash article.Hayford Peirce 21:06, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Is it Elvish or Elvis?
That's a lot of good additions that's been made to thea article!
At some point in the 1970s, wasn't there a Johnny Cash novel, supposedly written by him, about Jesus? Maybe called The Man in White? If so, shouldn't this be mentioned? And maybe a little research would turn up who actually wrote it? As a professional writer myself, I'm always a little skeptical of celebrities who have books, particularly novels, published under their names. Hayford Peirce 15:44, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- Correct in every detail Hayford. You can still buy it... http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0062501356/qid=1092932329/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl/026-1908084-6436422 I don't remember him mentioning it in "Cash", the autobiography. He might well have written it himself, as he fancied himself as a writer and poet.
- Well, that's true, of course. Lotsa singers are also writers of a sort. I remember reading a review of it in the Times, I think, a long time ago, saying that it was actually a pretty good book for what it was supposed to be. Or at least they didn't sneer at it. So if someone else doesn't stick it into the article, either as a comment, or a link, I'll do it later on.... Hayford Peirce 17:43, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
San Quentin jail - video
Does anyone know where I'd be able to get hold of a copy of this on video?
Using song titles as headings strikes me as inappropriate for an encyclopedia article. These headings mislead the reader who may be unfamiliar with Johnny Cash. Imagine yourself, having never heard of Cash, reading this article.
Daddy Sang Bass- Did his father sing the bass? The heading leads me to believe that his father was a bass singer and this played a role in his early musical career. "Papa played the Dobro" makes as much sense and Daddy Sang Bass.
Delia's Gone - Who is Delia and what does her leaving have to do with his career in the 1990's?
Looking at other articles with good descriptive headings (Bob Dylan, Jimmy Hendrix, Frank Sinatra, Willie Nelson, Neil Young, John Coltrane, Led Zeppelin, Nirvana, Miles Davis, etc.) shows me that a song or album title is only appropriate when it has particular importance in the career of the musician. Why do these headings deviate so much from other Wikipedia articles about 20th century musicians?
I will wait a few days for more input before I standardize the headings. User:Cacophony 23:57, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Your changes do improve the sense of the article. Tiles 03:52, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Baritone?
As a classical baritone, I think it is misleading to have the word baritone in the opening sentence link to the artical for the voice type baritone. Cash is most obviously a bass and the word baritone is being used to describe his voice not name his voice type.
Yes, Baritone
Johnny Cash is not a bass. He could barely hit a low C. His voice is deep, oaken even, but technically not all that low. Just a lot of undertones and gravel which makes him sound more bassy than most bass voices. Listen to big river. That D3 was the lowest he could get at that age.
English American?
I removed Cash from this category because, as far as I know, none of his grandparents were English citizens (as required by the category). RMoloney 21:10, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
- I propose the category White Mutt for those of us white people who don't know what our ancestors were.--Gbleem 22:16, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
The book I read that is suppose with Mr Cash blessing give mix mess. I know he is part scotish, but they say he british descnet . That could mean english, scotish, welsh, irish and than when Cash daugthers were said to be half nergo cash said he was irish, cheekio, scotish I believe if can recall right now.
facts
"I may not be a hawk... But maybe I'm a dove with claws..."
http://www.slipcue.com/music/country/countryartists/cash.html
BTW wasn't he 1/4 Cherokee?
- Everyone is a 1/4 cherokee.
Grandfather of Gangsta Rap
Who said he was the Grandfather of gangsta rap? I'm sure I've heard it but google didn't give me anything.--Gbleem 22:11, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
Ice T said if you were to compare gangsta rap to any genre of music it would be country because people don't understand the violence unless they have grown up with it like the way that johnny cash aid "he shot a man in reno, just to watch him die" and how it sounds like a crude thing to say but people who grew up country can understand that, same as inner city ghetto youth understand gangsta rap. that's what ice T said.
Awards
Is there any reason why only his Grammy awards are listed? He has also recieved several CMA awards, off the top of my head I know he recieved at least two for Hurt the year he died because I remember seeing the award show with Roseanne Cash and John Carter Cash accepting the awards for him.
broken link to "hurt" video
The link to the video "Hurt" doesn't seem to be working. Is there another site where the video is available? Joyous | Talk 03:13, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
The song "Send those niggers back"
This highly racist song has been credited (in various places on the internet) to Cash. I strongly suspect that this credit is erroneous, and wondered if it would be appropriate (if anyone knows for sure) to mention the error of this credit, in order to clear Cash's name, as it were. The song has also been credited to johnny rebel aka david allen coe. halio 12 December 2005
- Well, it's not Cash. According to gracenote CDDB, it seems to be the repellent KKK cheerleader, Johnny Rebel (not an alias for allan coe incidentally, who is a literate, if occasionally foulmouthed, songwriter). I don't know if it should be mentioned in the article - it depends how widespread the error is? RMoloney (talk) 02:27, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
well, the google search '"johnny cash" "ship those niggers back"' throws up 141 results. it also seems that the p2p software limewire includes copies of the song credited to cash. halio
Can anyone find any kind of proof that this song is not by Johnny Cash? It sounds exactly like him...
- According to Johnny Rebel (singer) ([1]) he only has 13 songs, none of them "Send...". Hyacinth 10:36, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
- I'm not sure how we would prove a song is not by Cash except for proving that it is by someone else. Hyacinth 11:08, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
The song is apparently by "Odis Cochran & The Three Bigots". Not Cash, and Not Rebel; it's miscreditted, same as almost every LimeWire download. Travis001
According to an article published in 2001 in XMAG, this song was indeed by Odis Cochran and was released on Arlington, Virginia's Hatenanny label. http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/links/misclink/hitparade.htm
Image copyright infringement?
Please correct me if I'm wrong here. Why does Cash's infobox have an album cover in it and not a publicity photo? (Okay, rhetorical question. We probably don't have a publicity photo.) But the current image's license states:
- images of album or single covers solely to illustrate the album or single in question
- Any other uses of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement
My understanding is that the image can't be used in certain contexts, mainly like the "This is Johnny Cash" type one it's being used in now. Am I misinterpreting something here or isn't this a possible copyright infringement? Mrtea (talk) 18:08, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
While we're at it, the Trivia section looks to be pulling content, unattributed, straight from newspaper articles... compare it to:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2006/01/04/entertainment/e151437S74.DTL
http://www.rctimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060104/MTCN0501/301040118/1316/MTCN0301
Johnny's broken jaw
I don't see anything about Johnny's broken jaw, which was poorly set and accounts for his bent face. This gave him constant pain throughout his life, and led in some degree to his drug dependencies. 30-12-05 @ 11:05
- If you have a verifiable source for that information, please be bold and add it to the article. Jonathunder 16:53, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Sweden?
I have a recording of him speaking in some scandinavian language to the audience before singing a song. The title of the track says live from Österåker, which I have ascertained, is in Sweden. Does anyone know anything else about this so we could mention it in the article?--Alhutch 18:02, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
- Is it worth mentioning, hasn't he performed on 100s of different places through his career? Btw, if you want, write a phonetic representation of the Swedish, and I see if I could understand what it means and translate it into English. 惑乱 分からん 18:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
- This is a very rough approximation of what he says. "Tak meena vinner. Yoga hopus atnee tikker oomfor muzeek. Yoga hopus atnee tikker oom may. Detta erun song om 'me and bobby mcgee'." That's the best I can do. I suppose you're right, it may not merit mentioning in the article. thanks,--Alhutch 18:47, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
- Alright, I think he tries to say something like this: "Tack, mina vänner. Jag hoppas att ni tycker om för musik.(??? This sentence actually sounds quite strange...) Jag hoppas att ni tycker om mig. Detta är en sång om 'Me and Bobby McGee'." which translates to something like "Thank you, my friends. I hope that you like my kind of music. I hope that you like me. This is a song about 'Me and Bobby McGee'" The strange grammatical syntax in the second sentence, and that it's not particularly complex makes it sound like something he just picked up for the concert. Anyway, hope this helps. 惑乱 分からん 23:57, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
- That sounds exactly right. He was speaking sort of haltingly and in the middle it sounded like he asked someone "how am i doin'". Anyways, thanks for the translation.--Alhutch 00:16, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, I could have guessed it. Alright, you're welcome. 惑乱 分からん 02:22, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
- That sounds exactly right. He was speaking sort of haltingly and in the middle it sounded like he asked someone "how am i doin'". Anyways, thanks for the translation.--Alhutch 00:16, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
- Alright, I think he tries to say something like this: "Tack, mina vänner. Jag hoppas att ni tycker om för musik.(??? This sentence actually sounds quite strange...) Jag hoppas att ni tycker om mig. Detta är en sång om 'Me and Bobby McGee'." which translates to something like "Thank you, my friends. I hope that you like my kind of music. I hope that you like me. This is a song about 'Me and Bobby McGee'" The strange grammatical syntax in the second sentence, and that it's not particularly complex makes it sound like something he just picked up for the concert. Anyway, hope this helps. 惑乱 分からん 23:57, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
- This is a very rough approximation of what he says. "Tak meena vinner. Yoga hopus atnee tikker oomfor muzeek. Yoga hopus atnee tikker oom may. Detta erun song om 'me and bobby mcgee'." That's the best I can do. I suppose you're right, it may not merit mentioning in the article. thanks,--Alhutch 18:47, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
timeline of his life
There's something wrong with the timeline. Right now we have:
"His longtime guitarist, Luther Perkins, died in a house fire in August 1968. Less than two months later, the home of his next door neighbor and close friend, Roy Orbison, burned down ... Cash was profoundly affected by these incidents, and he attempted to take the first steps on a long, hard road to recovery. He locked himself in his home and underwent detox, relying heavily on his friends, and especially Carter and her parents, Ezra and Maybelle. He and Carter were married soon after." And we have:
"Cash proposed onstage to Carter at a concert at the London Gardens in London, Ontario on February 22, 1968; the couple married a week later in Franklin, Kentucky."
When did they marry? --84.61.27.187 00:05, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
American V?
Although the article says "American V, his final album, was released posthumously." I cannot find any reference to this album on Amazon, P2P searches, or anywhere else for that matter. Does this album even exist?
fanboy
i love johnny cash but does anyone notice that this article doesn't really contain any genuine criticism or deep analysis of the man his music or his legacy. Most of what doesn't portray him in a positive light is the same kinda stuff that people still use to glorify him as an outlaw or some one with a checkered past. I think our understanding of him would benefit from some real criticism or just counterpoints to some of what is in the article. Cesar.vialpando 02:08, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Highway 61 Revisited
I recall Johnny Cash giving a spine-chilling reading of the first verse of "Highway 61 Revisited" ("God said to Abraham, kill me a son") in an intro to a movie. Sadly, the movie was shite. But that reading was intense! Any info? --Davecampbell 11:22, 24 February 2006 (UTC)