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Ivy League business schools

Delete. Irrelevant article, only ~500 Google hits on the phrase "Ivy League business schools" (see: [1]). This article appears to be created just to boost the impression of less prominent b-schools by association. MBAguy 10:02, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm not denying that the article is "factual". The reason for deleting this article is that the topic itself is arbitrary and meaningless, as evidenced by the lack of Google hits. In the world of business schools, affiliation with the Ivy League is devoid of any significance. This list is as interesting and useful as "Ivy League engineering programs" or "Western US Medical Schools" (neither of which exist as articles, of course). MBAguy 08:52, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • These schools, however, are not simply affiliated with the Ivy League but actually part of them. Wharton in particular is the central and defining school of UPenn, and all of the otehrs are influential within their respective universities. —Cuiviénen, Monday, 10 April 2006 @ 12:04 (UTC)
As a Penngineer I dislike the imperialist Wharton attitude that they "define" the University. It is an extremely prestigious business school at an extremely prestigious university. They certainly are not central to Penn's world-class medical school, multiple Nobel-winning chemistry department, or top-notch psychology department, to name a few divisions of the school that are at the very top of their game. But otherwise, agreed. NTK 01:44, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep out of jealousy that will come from staring at the list. T K E 07:13, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep certainly create Category:Ivy League business schools but keep this as lists and categories perform different functions Jcuk 08:41, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Jcuk Computerjoe's talk 09:19, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per NTK and others. —Cuiviénen, Monday, 10 April 2006 @ 12:04 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Deleuze 21:07, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Individual articles on these would be perfectly fine. This collective pile is absolutely pointless, as there is no substantive connection between them. Makes no more sense than an ACC Medical Schools article would. Derex 22:16, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. I fail to see a link that is not served by the category. -Dawson 23:25, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and replace with a "List of Ivy League business schools" or some such list, which might be helpful for navigation or browsing. Outside of the list, the actual content on the page is not worth keeping though. RayaruB 23:55, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. I dislike it. But I don't see any sufficient reason for deleting it. It's verifiable. By defining it as "Ivy League" you at least have some stable, objective criterion for what schools should be included. The dates of founding are mildly interesting to see together, as opposed to picking them out of the individual school articles. It's mildly interesting to note that two of the Ivy League members don't have business schools. It would be much, much more interesting to have an article on the history of business schools in general, and it would be interesting to have capsule summaries of the different characters and approaches of business schools. I thank whatever gods may be that this article at least does not include any rankings. Dpbsmith (talk) 00:19, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, seems to add a little more information (at least some trivia) than a category would, or does. Could be expanded a little more, but I'm not seeing a real solid reason for deletion. Kuru talk 00:57, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep tag for improvement Merecat 06:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Utterly arbitrary (and unused in the real world) grouping. Seriously, biz schools aren't grouped this way by companies hiring MBAs or by applicants to the schools. --Calton | Talk 05:12, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. utcursch | talk 03:51, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as a valuable list/article hybrid. Google isn't everything. Silensor 02:58, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The Ivy League business schools are the originators of such concepts as "business school," "business degree," and "MBA," as the article mentions. This may be a useful hub for info on those schools. There's a concern with the responses from MBAGuy who nominated this article for deletion. In his response to one voter, he said the "... Ivy League is devoid of any significance." That seems a bit much. He also said this factual article is "boosterism" for the schools - he didn't demonstrate that. After he nominated this article for deletion, he then edited the article several times to try to make the same negative points in the article that he makes in his vote and vote response. Why? One voter, Dpbsmith, was optimistic about this article since it isn't littered with current rankings. Unfortunately, MBAGuy then dumped rankings into the article. Why? Of the many available rankings, he seemed to pick the only magazine ranking that might support his negative cause. What's up with that? That negative approach doesn't seem to be in keeping with the Wikipedia spirit. If this article is not deleted, then it would definitely help to back out the stuff that MBAGuy added to the article AFTER he nominated it for deletion. GO WHARTON 02:27, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article was nominated for boosterism, which users above have recognized is clear. The above user, GO WHARTON, went through every b-school article and added the phrase "it is one of the six Ivy League business schools" as though this term has any significance IN THIS CONTEXT. The Google evidence shows it does not; Ivy League membership is just not an issue generally discussed in relation to top business schools (such as Harvard, Stanford, Kellogg, etc.) The article was presented in a manner as to indicate that this membership was an indication of high quality (as, frankly, all mentions of "Ivy League" try to connote). I edited the article to make it less POV and more neutral. Of course, without enough people agreeing with the deletion, it looks like we'll soon have "Ivy League medical schools", "Ivy League professors", and other spurious articles such as this. MBAguy 04:57, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Doubtful that this article will lead to trivial articles on "Ivy League cafeterias and parking spots" or whatnot. Even if you're right and that ever happened, such article would be deleted as trivial. But these business schools and their achievements don't seem trivial or irrelevant. This article's External Links section links to a recent Financial Times article specifically about Ivy league business schools, so when a reputable global business publication like that discusses this very topic, then it's likely a germane topic among business leaders. Not seeing a solid reason to remove. GO WHARTON 15:58, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also - Not sure why you nominated the article for deletion and then afterwards extensively messed up the article by spraying those tacky "rankings" mentions all over the article. If you thought the article "as is" deserved deletion, then you should have left it "as is" after you nominated it. Doesn't seem that is in keeping with the spirit of the Wikipedia nomination process. GO WHARTON 16:28, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • As I said above, I added the rankings information to make the article less POV. You might think that so diluting the POV you were conveying is tacky, but my point is that the article itself, and going through every linked b-school article and adding the phrase "it is one of the six Ivy League Business Schools" as you did is far tackier. MBAguy 18:48, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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