 | This article was nominated for deletion on 10 April, 2006. The result of the discussion was keep. |
NOTE TO ALL: READ the comments here from GO WHARTON and decide for yourself what is going on. You can see that GO WHARTON is attempting to give the appearance of discussion whereas in fact he considers NPOV rankings information as "grafitti" while he reverts to his completely one-sided bit of Ivy League propaganda. The rankings I included (and I thank those reverting back to it) are not grafitti, this piece of propaganda masquerading as an article is grafitti. MBAguy 02:11, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
- Please note that MBAguy/Gekko is now reordering the messages in this discussion so that he can force everyone to read his message first (even though it's not first in chronological order). It's another of his bullying tactics in his war against this article. His bold face "NOTE TO ALL: READ" is MBAguy's way of screaming, "how dare anyone vote down MBAguy/Gekko's AfD." He is using lots of sleazy tactics to do an end around of the AfD voting process. His goal over time is to overload this article with his forced rankings talk, a little now, more later. Then he'll use his rankings-saturated version of this article as the reason to resubmit his AfD within the next few months. This article was neutral (see the "17:12, 9 March 2006" version) before MBAguy/Gekko declared his war against it, trying to force everyone to accept his POV and his extreme bias against the Ivy League. MBAguy/Gekko's history and tactics are very clear when one reviews the article revision history, the AfD voting discussion and history, and this article discussion history. MBAguy/Gekko is still beating his war drums ... GO WHARTON 17:03, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
- Crazy but true - MBAguy/Gekko has again escalated his war against the Ivy League. MBAguy/Gekko is now going throughout the Wikipedia encyclopedia and deleting all references, links, and mentions of Ivy League that he can find. Seems maybe MBAguy/Gekko wants to eradicate the Ivy League from civilization. GO WHARTON 17:32, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
This is in response to Gekko's reversions.
First a little background on Gekko/MBAguy. The user MBAguy submitted an AfD nom for this article - his nom failed. He argued with people who voted to keep the article. He also tried to undermine the voting process by making 6 consecutive vandalisms to this article in the middle of the voting process, hoping to sway the vote in his favor. His vandalism included spraying the article all over with rankings talk, instead of adding a link to rankings in the article's External Links section. This article is about schools, not rankings. One suggestion was that MBAguy create a new School Rankings article, and then link to it. He ignored any constructive suggestions.
During the nom process, if your vote didn't agree with his AfD nom, MBAguy didn't want to hear it. He told one voter with whom he disagreed that "Ivy League is devoid of any significance." My own misfortune was that I had the audacity to vote "Keep", and MBAguy didn't like that. He responded angrily to my vote and wouldn't let it go. He said Wikipedia should ban this article because "Ivy League" equates to "boosterism". When MBAguy decided he had embarrassed himself enough, he edited the vote discussion to remove his responses to those whose votes he didn't like. Result was that his AfD nom failed.
Right after MBAguy's nom failure, a user named Gekko began reverting article changes so that MBAguy's vandalisms reappear in this article and other users' new content are expunged. Gekko's user page shows his account was created April 15, 2006 and within a few short hours, he's already rv'ing this article. Newbie Gekko's rv comments show he's very familiar with deleting content, rv's, policies, discussion pages, procedures, nominations, etc. This all makes Gekko/MBAguy's sleazy tactics very suspicious. After tangling with voters in the nom process, he's now tangling with those who want to clean up the article to remove MBAguy's vandalism. His actions show he intends to continue vandalizing and junking up this article. Gekko/MBAguy's habit of putting rankings stuff all over the article, makes the article worse, not better, which is his clear intention. We can probably expect Gekko/MBAguy or whichever user name he creates next to submit a new AfD for this article within a few months. GO WHARTON 18:56, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
- I should probably just delete your rant as libellous against me, but I'm sure someone else will instead. As I said on your talk page (which you deleted), I am not user MBAguy. I have been a Wikipedia user since last year (not since this month, as you lie about me) and seem to have been drawn into some bizarre edit war you're having with that user. Please leave me out of it, but if you want to delete useful content, please discuss it here and reach consensus before doing so. - Gekko 03:45, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- Do you really want to discuss rankings graffiti/vandalism? Everything you said above is of a personal nature. Please stick to the rankings vandalism topic. You're rv'ing the article again, saying you want a discussion of rankings graffiti "usefulness" while refusing real discussion. Why did you delete and revert (without discussion, by the way) the new content paragraph that was added, and why do you want to plaster rankings up and down this article? The article was spray-painted with rankings by MBAguy in the middle of the nom voting process. After the nom process completed, an edit was made to tone down the rankings emphasis, but you quickly did lots of rv's to delete all new content (without discussion) and stick all of MBAguy's rankings graffiti back in. Why? GO WHARTON 15:28, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- Suggestion for Gekko: why don't you add a link in the External Links section to your favorite ranking, or you could create a new School Rankings article and put a link to your new article at the bottom of this article. After all, this is not a rankings article. GO WHARTON 15:59, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- To MBAguy/Gekko: Your first involvement with this article was to submit an AfD. In your nomination, you harped that an article with Ivy League in it must be an "agenda," and that it must mean all Ivy Leaguers think they're "superior to others." However, none of your remarks are supported by the long-standing neutral tone of this article before you recently blasted onto the scene (see first message in this discussion for details). Your AfD nom was voted down, so you switched to your alter-ego Gekko. Under that name, you have the same arrogant tone and insistently reverted all new content (without discussion) in order to restore your article vandalisms during the voting process. I've constructively suggested often that you could put a link to your favorite rankings in the External Links section. I've also suggested that you could create a School Rankings article. You could then place a link to your new rankings article at the bottom of this article's page. Instead of discussing those possibilities, you switched back to MBAguy and wrote the above "NOTE TO ALL" which is the same harping about Ivy League, your personal issues, and boosterism that you stuck into the voting discussion. Seems as though you're trying to do an end-around of the AfD process. GO WHARTON 19:06, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
Regarding Gekko/MBAguy's NPOV tag:
(Please see the discussion for this article which gives the history of Gekko/MBAguy's recent assaults on this article.) (Please also see the resulting discussion of MBAguy/Gekko's recent AfD which was overwhelmingly voted down by our fellow wikipedians.) Now, he seems to be attempting an end around of the AfD process. Prior to Gekko/MBAguy's recent declaration of war on this article, the article was neutral, as can be seen in the "17:12 9 March 2006" version of this article. Since Apr. 3, 2006, however, an onslaught of sleazy tactics, graffiti, and vandalism has been perpetrated on this article, coincident with the arrival of MBAguy/Gekko. Regrettably, Gekko/MBAguy continues using his typical approach of vandalizing and complaining about the article, while shunning discussion on the merits and refusing to discuss many constructive suggestions offered to him. Gekko/MBAguy is clearly not interested in improving this article. His scheme appears to be to continually mutilate this article, so that he can resubmit his AfD in the upcoming months, using his mutilated version of the article as the reason for deletion of this article - all because of his belief that the term "Ivy League" equates to "boosterism," as he has said. His extreme tactics against this article do not seem to be in the Wikipedia spirit. Since MBAguy/Gekko has shown he has no interest in civil discourse, perhaps it would help if a third party would step in and help out here. GO WHARTON 16:51, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
- You sir are the one not interested in debate. But I don't have to tell you that, you know it. You were the first one to start reverting legitimate additions to tone down the NPOV of the article as "grafitti". Tell me, how exactly does adding objective rankings information represent a "POV"? Meanwhile, deleting it and adding puffery phrasing such as you have is clearly POV. MBAguy 21:47, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
- (Please note that MBAguy/Gekko is now deliberately reordering the messages in this discussion.) MBAguy/Gekko, you have sunk to another new low in your all-out war against this article. Why are you reordering the messages in this discussion? You are again violating Wikipedia editing standards and making a mockery of Wikipedia discussion. Your latest bullying tactic of changing the order of the messages in this talk discussion, so that your message appears at the top of this page even though it's not the first chronological message in this discussion, shows your willingness to use any sleazy tactic in your all-out assault against this article. A number of constructive suggestions have been offered to you but you have ignored every constructive suggestion. You refuse to discuss anything. Remember, you initiated your war on this article when you tried to rig the Wikipedia AfD voting process because you didn't like the voting results (see the details in my previous messages above - well, my messages should be "above" unless you've again reordered all the messages in this discussion). Only one of your two alter-egos appeared during the voting discussion. But just after your AfD was voted down, both of your alter-egos, MBAguy and Gekko, went ballistic on this article, with the same arrogance and same language. Rigging the AfD voting, repetitive rv'ing without discussion, alter-egos, reordering discussion messages, which sleazy tactic will you use next? GO WHARTON 15:37, 21 April 2006 (UTC)