Talk:Sabretooth (character)
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The stuff on the Sabretooth FAQ is outdated, unoffcial, and in some cases incorrect. T-1000 04:33, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
The Part of Origin with Logan's older brother is out of order, so I fixed it. added a link to Dog Logan.
T-1000
". Mathematically, it would take an axial load of at least 3 tons to twist a dumbbell in such a way."
wow i didn't realize there were people who figured this out, mathematically.
Most civil engineers could figure that out in there heads. Especially if they have experience with such materials. You have to know how much pressure it takes to bend such structures or when you build things they collapse. ScifiterX 20:20, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
Mane
Somehow, it just seems funny to me that Sabretooth, who has large amounts of hair, is played by Tyler Mane.
- Or even more, that he only has a significant amount of non-costume hair when played by that actor. (that and X-Men Evolution) ^_~
Birdie?
In the Marvel vs. Capcom games, Sabertooth is assisted by a woman named Birdie, who carries a large gun. I didn't see any mention of her in the article. Who the hell is she, or was she created just for the games?
- She was his telepathic sidekick in the early 1990s. Jim Lee introduced her in his run on X-Men, and Larry Hama killed her off in the first Sabretooth miniseries. -Sean Curtin 04:03, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
- I've added info about his time with Birdy. I also plan to add info about how he "lost his soul" (the first time he killed a child), which more or less was the start of his decent into insanity, I just have to dig up that issue of mine from my old collection.(Whipsandchains 19:55, 23 January 2006 (UTC))
Sabretooth's name
Sabretooth could possibly be born Dog Logan, Paul Jenkins admitted this in his interview, so I do not know why DrBat keeps removing this info from the profile. His alias of "Dog" is from his memories of being called that by his father, it may or may not be based on Dog Logan. If it is to be changed, I favor changing the name to "Unknown, Possibly Victor Creed, Possibly Dog Logan"T-1000 23:23, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
- Wolverine and Sabretooth aren't related, per a SHIELD genetics test in the mid-40s of Wolverine v2 ("unless Dr Mendel was wrong").
- Actually that only proved that they weren't father and son, which is what Shield was trying to determine. Praternal half-brothers share much less genetic material than father and son, and that is assuming that Dog Logan was actually Thomas Logan's son and not adopted. It was also said that they had trouble even determining that fact due to their strange genetic make-up. It has also been revealed that Shield has consistantly lied to Wolverine about many aspects of his past that they were privy to. It was recently revealed that Wolverine recovered his memories and when Shield found out at least one employee committed suicide (which does not exactly inspire confidence in the idea that they have been consistantly honest with Wolverine).
- And speculation is meaningless - Jenkins could say in an interview that Dog Logan could possibly have grown up to be Jean Grey, but it wouldn't mean anything. If he'd said that he'd intended Dog to be Sabretooth, then that would be worth noting under a "trivia" heading, but shouldn't be presented as overriding the in-comic info. Instead, he said the opposite. - SoM 02:20, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
- Jenkins said "I am not sure." in his second interview, thus, there is no confirmation. T-1000 18:58, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
- That's acknowledging the possibility of someone else retconning it later. But anything could be retconned into anything. - SoM 22:19, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
- Jenkins said "I am not sure." in his second interview, thus, there is no confirmation. T-1000 18:58, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
- To say that 'Tooth is definately Dog Logan really does spoil the mystique of the character. Also, depending on how much of Sabretooth's original memories are intact it may not be safe to say that they are same character even if they are physically the same person. If enough of Dog Logan's memories were destroyed and replaced with another personality, then Dog Logan would essentially be dead. Just fun speculation.
Age
From Uncanny X-Men #326: Xavier's files have Sabretooth's first confirmed kill as being Doctor Eiger Harnerst, his pediatrician. Creed was nine at the time. Later on, three policemen are shown to have been killed by Sabretooth when he was 13.
While we the fans will probably never know his true age, it is known or easily obtainable in the Marvel Universe.
Adamantium? Mutant?
When did Sabretooth receive his first Adamantium Skeleton? When was Sabretooth first revealed to be a mutant with a healing factor similar to Wolverine's?
Sabretooth's first appearance with his first set of Adamantium implants occurred in Wolverine #126. It was revealed later in Wolverine #145 that Sabretooth was given these implants by Apocalypse. As to exactly when Sabretooth was revealed to be a mutant with powers, including healing powers, like those of Wolverine I'm not exactly sure. Truthfully, Sabretooth was a rather generic villain until the early 1990's. During Sabretooth's earliest appearances, as a Luke Cage and Iron Fist villain, in the late 70's and early 80's, he didn't really possess healing powers. During this time, he had superhuman strength, stamina, and his body was somewhat tougher than an ordinary human's. Since Sabretooth became a popular villain, his early days have been tinkered with by various writers over the years that have written various stories, such as Sabretooth's involvement with Team X during the 1960's for instance, that portray Sabretooth as always having accelerated healing powers. Various writers have been able to smooth over these inconsistencies because the Luke Cage and Iron Fist titles in which Sabretooth initially appeared are fairly obscure. Sabretooth wasn't a particularly memorable or popular villain so, someone simply decided to juice him up along the way and add bits and pieces to him that he simply wasn't initially created with. Same thing happened to Wolverine. In his initial appearances, such as his very first appearance against The Hulk, Wolverine's claws were connected to his gloves rather than being implants within his body.
Why?
Why is it that among his notable powers it says that he is highly resistant to telepathic detection and control? Hasn't he, on many occasions, been controlled by professor X or other psychic beings? Lue3378 01:55, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
In the past, Sabretooth has been telepathically probed and controlled but not since he was a member of the new incarnation of the Weapon X Program. Aside from all the physical enhancements he was given, his mind is more resistant to telepathic attacks. Although, his mind would probably still be vulnerable to telepaths along the level of Emma Frost or Charles Xavier.
Sabretooth recieved his adamantium back in the Gambit series. Gambit had taken it from the Constrictor because Creed was dying from adamantium withdrawls. His body had become acustom to the metal in his body. Gambit had found him is South America where he had a tribe worshiping him as a god. He then had to take him to Mr Sinister and then to New Son, who put the adamantium back in his body.
Latest Twist
It looks as if Marvel has finally decided to dig up the old question about a potential father/son type of relationship between Wolverine and Sabretooth. In the latest issue of Ultimate X-Men, Sabretooth provides an explanation as to how he survived being beheaded, rather anti-climactic in my opinion. Sabretooth reveals that he was chosen by the Weapon X Program to replace Wolverine because Wolverine happens to be, at least allegedly, his father.
- Ultimate X-Men is in a different universe, it does not have anything to do with Earth 616 creed.T-1000 18:50, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm fully aware of that fact. I'm just mentioning that Marvel has brought it up in the Ultimate Marvel Universe.
Powers and Abilities
I've altered the section somewhat with a little rewording and spaced it out a bit so that it doesn't look as if it's just crammed together. I've also removed a statement at the beginning of the article that stated Sabretooth healing and regenerating hundreds of times faster than an ordinary human. That sounds suspiciously like someone's opinion and not a fact taken from Marvel. It's probably true, but unless it's a confirmed fact from Marvel, it shouldn't be included. Odin's Beard
- as long as we mention his healing powers are not consistent, it is fine.T-1000 06:07, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Why has the range that lists Sabretooth's strength been removed from the article? It's not a guess or my own personal opinion, it's what Marvel is using, at least for right now. Odin's Beard
Ultimate Sabretooth's Adamantium Enhancements
You know something I just remembered, one of the claws implanted in Ultimate Sabretooth's left forearm is broken. You can see it clearly in the image of Ultimate Sabretooth in the section of the article talking about him. Odin's Beard
oh! i forgat to explain the broken adamantie claw in ultimate x men so here it is dude!
- victor asked to make it quick as possible the new set of extra
automatic-claws and as such resulted in process to rushed and sloppy to make perfect shaped set. that's why one claw is actualy incomplete rather than broken atleast that's may speculation what do you think?
Nah, I don't buy it. To look at the picture, the claw doesn't appear to be misshapen to me, it simply looks as if it's been broken. Sabretooth is an operative of the Weapon X Program, which I think is government funded at least to some extent, so I doubt that the government would approve of their brain trust doing a halfassed job in developing their operatives or improving the operatives, particularly one of their top agents like Sabertooth. There are questions as to the durability of the Ultimate Marvel Universe's version of Adamantium, due in part to the situation involving the UMU's version of the Hulk ripping Wolverine in half. There's all sorts of speculation among readers, but there's never been anything confirmed by Marvel. Since the Ultimate Marvel Universe is an entirely seperate reality, writers can pretty much do whatever they want to do even if it completely ignores decades of accepted canon within the Earth-616 continuity. I don't belive that the UMU's version of Adamantium is nearly as durable as the Earth-616 version. That's my position, however, until/unless Marvel publishes something that makes me think otherwise. Odin's Beard