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Google User box template discussion

Latest comment: 19 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Durin - this matter has died down in February but doesn't seem to be resolved. Could you weight in please. Doesn't the typing in the

Template: user Google

being discussed at

Template talk:User Google

resemble and infringe upon

Image:Google logo transparent.png??Michael Dorosh 14:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)Reply


just wanted to check

Latest comment: 18 years ago8 comments2 people in discussion

Were you all the way done with your review? I know you're thorough; I responded on the subpage to your commentary so far, and took your advice about the userpage. -- nae'blis 06:12, 19 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

Thatcher's RFA

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Having looked it over, I'll make changes. Thanks for the heads-up. – Chacor 04:44, 15 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for fixing my mistake. [1] I can't understand how I got the count wrong! --Guinnog 14:08, 16 September 2006 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 18 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion
An image that you uploaded, Image:UniversityofWaterlooCoatofArms.png, has been listed at Wikipedia:Copyright problems because it is a suspected copyright violation. Please look there if you know that the image is legally usable on Wikipedia (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), and then provide the necessary information there and on its page, if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you.

Sumair1 05:44, 18 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • Umm, fair use images are allowed here, and in this case since there is no free license alternative available, fair use is acceptable. The copyright violation is improper. Note that the voiced desire by University of Waterloo to have the image appear with typography is a usage restriction, not a copyright restriction. --Durin 12:43, 18 September 2006 (UTC)Reply
  • I didn't know that. Though I still feel that there should be a standard across the university articles. Right now I see every thing from shields to coat of arms to logos being used and even though no standard licenced material is available from these institutions, I think guidlines of the institution should be adhered to. Thanks for pointing in to the right direction.--Sumair1 21:17, 18 September 2006 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Concerning the Pacific Islands Forum Logo: Do I understand you correctly that your removal of that image bases solely on the fact that it was used in a template, and that it is not a problem to include it in the Pacific Islands Forum article? Thanks! Henning Blatt 14:00, 18 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

re:Good to see you back!

Thanks for the welcome back, it's good to see you too :) — Moe Epsilon 14:51 September 18 '06

Recent E-mail

Latest comment: 18 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Thanks for your recent response via e-mail. I've sent you a response (heh, you told me to hit your talk page). Cheers. CQJ 16:08, 19 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

thanks,

Latest comment: 18 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

thanks for helping me with my user templates, Gronkmeister | Talk/ Contrib 03:34, 20 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Politics of Thailand template

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

You edited this template to avoid inproper use of fair use image. Could you change the template to let is show the flag when no image has been chosen. If no image is chosen now, an ugly text is showed. (BTW: I don't know how to do it). Electionworld Talk? 07:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

FYI

This is having some last minute impact (it's a heavily watched page), we shall see how much. NoSeptember 20:08, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Commons User ID

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Didn't know if you were interested in having your Commons ID match this one.

User:Durin at Commons has no contributions and can be renamed to something else, and we will be able to move Durin-en to Durin. Bastiq▼e demandez 20:32, 21 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Help!

Latest comment: 18 years ago5 comments2 people in discussion

This user, User:Abu badali, keeps on trying to delete fair use images that I've uploaded, especially Image:Allison Mack1.jpg and Image:Kristinkreuk1.jpg. I have gotten permission from the websites owners to use these images, and I have written a detailed fair use rationale for both of them, and they both have the fair use tag on them. Even after a lengthy discussion, he still will not accept that they are fair use and he keeps trying to delete them! Loooking at his talk page and his contributions, he seems to think that he is the highest authority on all things "fair use", but he obviously is not. Can you please help me, or get some other administrators to help me, convince him that they are in fact fair use images and should not be deleted? It would be greatly appreciated, and he must be stopped before he lists every single fair use image for deletion. Than you. - Ivan Kricancic 03:34, 22 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Thanks anyway, Durin. If I upload new images from the CW website will they be ok, because the CW owns the copyright to images on its site, so a copyright owner can be stated in the rationale? Also I think images from the CW network's website will be ok becuase it's a website that promotes the network, so it can maybe use the promotional tag? - Ivan Kricancic 11:32, 22 September 2006 (UTC)Reply
The CW is a new network which will air Smallville. It has images of the actresses in question on its website. Also, could you help me out with Image:Rale Rasic.png, Image:Mohammad Reza Golzar.jpg and Image:Zltako.jpg. They have been on here for months and only got listed for deletion today by Abu dabali. I think he may have done it just to frustrate me, but I could very well be wrong. Could you pelase check if they meet the criteria, or tell me what I need to do to have those images kept? Ivan Kricancic 11:40, 22 September 2006 (UTC)Reply
  • The {{promotional}} tag has a more restrictive meaning than the one you are applying. A website that a company sponsors in support of its product will of course have images on it. These images have not been released for promotional purposes unless the company explicitly states so. A company must explicitly release an image as promotional material for it to qualify as {{promotional}}. Presumed releases do not count.
  • Re: the three images you note; User:Abu badali is entirely correct. I've undone one of them, on Image:Rale Rasic.png. --Durin 13:48, 22 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Thanks

Latest comment: 18 years ago4 comments3 people in discussion
 

Thanks for nominating me for adminship, and for watching my back during the discussion. (I'm not dropping this on all 140+ commenters but if you don't deserve one, who does?) Thatcher131 04:13, 22 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

I looked through my entire iPhoto library looking for a new "happiness" picture. I'd forgotton about the Disney parade until it jumped out at me. (Although technically I think they're brooms.) The beauty part is that a vidcap from the movie wouldn't be useable in this context. Thanks. Thatcher131 11:30, 22 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

...and no slight to Thatcher131, but I think Steel359 (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) also went right to work once he got the bit. These admins these days, all touching buttons and stuff instead of taking a vacation to Tahiti to destress. Syrthiss 15:52, 22 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Use of logos in Betelgeuse incident

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Hello, Durin. I am currently involved in a dispute with two editors about the use of the Gulf Oil logo in the Betelgeuse incident article. It seems to me that this logo does not significantly contribute to the article, and thus fails the eighth point of the Wikipedia fair-use policy. The Total logo has just recently been added to the article, and though I haven't yet said anything about it, I think this image also adds nothing significant. I would appreciate your opinion on the matter; the discussion is ongoing at Image talk:Gulf.png. Thank you for your time. —Bkell (talk) 17:32, 23 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Disagree?

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Sure, we can disagree (although it would be ironic if I were to disagree with that... anyway) but could you please elaborate e.g. on my talk page? >Radiant< 14:54, 27 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

NY Seal

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Greetings. I don't have a problem with the removal of the seal from the portal, template(s), etc. , but if you're going to do so, please be consistent and remove similar fair-use seals from other state portals, templates, etc. that use them as well. --TMF T - C 20:19, 27 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Fair use images on templates

Latest comment: 18 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

Greetings. In almost all the articles about elections in Greece there were logos of some parties. I just added some of the remaining. I didn't know Wikipedia's policy and I am very happy you informed me. But... I think for better appereance and comprehencion of the results is better to have the logo of each party (especially if they are many ecological parties with similar names). I wait your opinion. -- Magioladitis 23:06, 27 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Ok, no problem. I am new around and everyday I learn new Wikithings! I checked and I saw that in other eledction pages theu use colours instead o logos. -- Magioladitis 09:02, 28 September 2006 (UTC)Reply
  • It's not a bad idea to look at similar pages for ideas on how to do things. But, keep in mind that Wikipedia is always in a state of imperfection. Some pages have it wrong. No worries, just live and learn and apply the lessons. Thanks for your patience! --Durin 12:51, 28 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

From 91.84.46.78

Latest comment: 18 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

Prick — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.84.46.78 (talk) 17:17, 28 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

I am requesting permission to edit my user talk page, seeing as my previous opinions were masked by yourself, I thought I'd come here first. 91.84.46.78 02:35, 29 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • Willfully tampering with other people's comments as you did here and here is not acceptable behavior. If you continue to act in such a negative manner, you will be blocked again. If, on the other hand, you decide to contribute positively to the project then your contributions are welcome and accepted. It's your choice. --Durin 04:27, 29 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Unfair Deletion of Userboxes and Images

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Umm... you have now edited, changed and deleted multiple userboxes I have created without due cause. I stopped using copyrighted images to comply with your suggested changes and now you are just deleting userboxes with LETTER ABBREVIATIONS recklessly. I am sick of your egomaniacal and unnecessary need to have everything fit your VERY NARROW reading of the rules of Wikipedia conduct. Fair Use means Fair Use, not 'Durin Doesn't Like It' Use. Stop being a wiki-Nazi.

WNZ This user is a wiki-Nazi.

Dipietro 01:27, 29 September 2006 (UTC)Reply


Fair use image

Latest comment: 18 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

You recently removed an image from Template:Infobox_Kloof. Please can you also remove images from the templates in Cape Town, [[[Durban]] and Johannesburg. - Raker 14:20, 29 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Statistics

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Hi there! I noticed you made a lot of useful statistics for RFA. Could you please make some statistics for PROD as well? In particular I'd like to know roughly how many PRODs are made per day, how much of them get deleted and how much of them get improvement (e.g. an edit that is more than just removing the tag). Would this be possible? Thanks! >Radiant< 23:55, 29 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • Off the top of my head, I don't know that there's an easy way to do this. I don't have direct database access (it was offered to me, but I'd be a kid in a candy store and I'd never do any editing :)). I'll think about it a bit, see if I can come up with something. --Durin 00:50, 30 September 2006 (UTC)Reply

Alaskan pipeline

Latest comment: 18 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Good catch on checking history on that one. Sorry that I missed it myself. I was actually scanning for uncategorized articles, not vandalism. And even then, normally I do check history before doing a speedy, but for some reason I missed that one (probably because it was so vile, it put me into shock, heh). --Elonka 06:49, 1 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Russell E. Dunham

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Man, I hate infoboxes sometimes. When I make a mistake like that one, it's always because the information is hiding in the box. Nice catch, and thanks for setting it right. Erechtheus 20:37, 2 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Adult template

Latest comment: 18 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

I noticed you deleted the template I created name "Adult." Templates of the same name have been deleted by consensus twice before. However, the content of my template was different, and the previous deletions do not apply to the content I created. Previous templates alerted readers that the Wikipedia page, image, etc... should not be viewed by children or labeled it with some likewise POV statement that violated WP:NOT. However, my template only alerted readers that the external link preceding the template contained adult material. Such notices are widespread and uncontested on Wikipedia with a variety of diferent verbiages (examples: [3] [4] [5] [6]), and my template only served to provide a quick method for posting them. These are especially courteous and useful on pages that are not pornographic, but that link to pornographic sites. Even if you disagree with such notices, you deleted the template out of process and should restore it. Feel free to contest the situation according to Wikipedia process. BTW, happy anniversary on being an admin (and I mean that sincerely)--Esprit15d 22:54, 2 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • Wikipedia is not censored for the protection of minors. If a link is inappropriate content, it should be removed under Wikipedia:External links or Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Whether or not something is "adult" in content is entirely subjective. Every culture in the world has varying standards on what is and is not "adult" type content. To some religions the baring of an elbow is offensive. To others, the nakedness of the body is revered. We service a world, not one culture. The template is therefore a highly subjective evaluation and not appropriate given Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_censored. I have reviewed the prior incarnations of the template. While the prior incarnations refer to in-encyclopedia content as opposed to this one, intended for use on external links, the overall intent is the same; attempting to protect people against content they may find objectionable. Therefore, the original TfD still applies (see Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/Deleted/April_2005#Template:Adult). As noted in that discussion, we already have a content disclaimer. Thanks for the early wishes! --Durin 01:13, 3 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
When you deleted it, it was evident to me that this was your stance. However, you (nor the previous TfDs) addressed the issues of external links nor the fact that the practice is incredibly widespread and not forbidden (or even addressed) on Wikipedia. Additionally, there are a variety of policies that apply to Wikipedia articles that do not apply to external links (Grouping links by pro- verus con-, POV links, unreferenced links, links in other languages). And to me, despite the fact that to you it is intuitive (which is the only grounds for a admin to delete something out of process) it is evident by the pervasiveness of the practice that it is not. Your arguments here are just that — arguments, and need to brought to discussion. I would have no problem if you reinstated the template and then immediately nominated it for deletion, but to delete it outright was a unilateral decision.--Esprit15d 12:44, 3 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
  • You are of course welcome to your opinion. I stand by my decision; the template was not deleted out of process. That something exists on Wikipedia does not justify other things of the same variety existing. We do not work on such a notion of precedence. We work on policies and guidelines. --Durin 13:30, 3 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Turkish http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resim:Fenerbahce_belirtke.gif {{{Logo}}} http://www.fenerbahce.org/eng/ http://www.fenerbahce.org/eng/detay.asp?ContentID=16

{{{Logo}}} and Template:Logo-Hqfl http://hqfl.dk/layout/download.php?rowid=1395 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Profesor (talk • contribs) 13:43, 5 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • I'm unclear as to what you are attempting to assert. The first link goes to another language pedia that shows the image tagged as logo as well. Wikipedia policy on the use of fair use images is clear; we may not use them outside of the main article namespace. The use on templates is proscribed. Please see Wikipedia:Fair use criteria item #9. There have been constant, repetitive efforts to put this logo onto the userbox either through re-insertions here on en.wikipedia or by way of putting the image on Commons, where it has been deleted multiple times as a copyrighted image (which is not permitted on Commons). I recognize that the Turkish wikipedia has it wrong; for example, the logo appearing on this template, among multiple other violations. That does not justify violating policy here. --Durin 13:52, 5 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Deletion of Intellectual Property Law program

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Hi I was wondering why you deleted my DePaul University intellectual property page. I work for the center and wanted to describe the center on the wikipedia page. please get back to me via email at vshifrin@depaul.edu — Preceding unsigned comment added by Usualsus (talk • contribs) 19:33, 5 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • It was deleted because it was a blatant copyright violation of [7]. You may not copy/paste text from a website without explicit, provable permission from the copyright holder releasing their rights. I suggest you do not write about your organization. Wikipedia strives for a neutral point of view. It is very difficult to be neutral writing about your own organization. --Durin 19:36, 5 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Another statistical question

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

I figured you'd be the one to ask... you posted a lot of statistics on how many RFA candidates succeed and fail and such. Would you happen to have stats on the reasons for which they fail? >Radiant< 22:18, 5 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • I don't catalog failure reasons. It's pretty subjective as well. Last year there was someone who undertook an effort to catalog reasons people oppose, but I don't think it got very far. It's a difficult task, with a big time commitment. --Durin 22:40, 6 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Help w/ proposing article Deletion

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Hello, you may recall you fixed an image error of mine recently. Well I had a question about deleting articles. You see I found this article, Christopher Wajda about this artist. To me it doesn't seem like it belongs in wikipedia. I mean who is this guy? we can't make a page for every single artist around. The major contributor is Washingtonsghost, whose only edits relate to the Wajda article. ISP 71.242.160.130's only edit involves adding Wajda to the July 21 page in the birth section. Would you agree that this article should be deleted? and how exactly should I go about doing it? For example, how do i tag it? I've never tried to delete an article before. Sorry if I blundered posting here. Naufana : talk 00:12, 8 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • You haven't blundered at all. I'm happy to help. Take a look at WP:AFD. The instructions on how to put an article up for deletion are there on that page. If you need further assistance, feel free to ask. --Durin 00:56, 8 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Replies

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

RFA is already about triple the size it needs to be (and I'm on dialup right now so god forbid I don't want to re-load it more than necessary.

  1. The schema is not developed sufficiently: I do not believe this idea for the bot has been fully fleshed out. While in abstract I believe due consideration has been given to the general concept of what this bot will do, considerable work still needs to be done on the specific requirements of what exactly is to be done. I asked a number of questions above, and the answer I received was basically "approve of the concept and the admin flag and we'll work out the details later" (see [8] second comment). This is a backwards way of approaching this notion. I am not comfortable with this approach.
    Considerable discussion generated: following on the above It is apparent from the 12 pages (yes, I checked) of discussion generated above in the General Comments and Discussion sections above that the idea has not been fully discussed and debated on its merits. Bringing this RfA before this discussion was attempted, say at WT:RFA, was premature.
    RfA was chosen because it gets a lot more traffic than bot approvals. Last time anything was proposed on bot approvals it was seen as trying to go thru a backdoor - I was trying to avoid that..
    Unclear need: The proponents of this bot have indicated this is a stop gap measure to fill a need until a MediaWiki extension is put in place that is apparently in development already. Yet, the numbers of blocks we are talking about, if given to the admin corps in toto, is rather modest. A few hundreds blocks is nothing. I could wipe that out in <30 minutes by myself. If a list of IPs needing to be blocked was generated periodically and notice of it posted to WP:AN, I think the admins could knock it out very rapidly and this situation can be handled thus until the extension is in place.
    WP:OP has been on backlog most of the time lately. The truth of the matter is many humans will think about doing it manually and then get busy or find other things to work on. We have a shortage of admins who do stuff like that. I'm sure we'll have a one time excess of users willing to do it in response to the "oh god a bot as a sysop... it's going to kill us all" fears to deny a bot but otherwise it's going to get a backlog again.
    Further unclear need: The assumption is we're getting lots of vandals through Tor. Yet, nothing I've read above seems to provide any evidence that this is the case. It is inherently anti-wiki to block access to the project simply because someone might vandalize. I recognize our policy with regards to open proxies, but would like to see evidence that there is massive vandalism coming from this source before applying a 100kg sledgehammer where a chisel might do.
    See WP:OP - it's half procedural and half due to the fact that we have had issues and just not known it's tor.
    No adequate response to Essjay's comment: Maybe I missed something above, but I've yet to see any real defense against Essjay's comment regarding prior attempts in this vein
    With respect to Essjay's comment, I do think he was thinking it was the wrong avenue. The WoW move block bot (a replacement for Curps essentially) was something that was asked for my several members of the community. There was no plan when the bot was created to sysop it, of course, there's no way I can prove that either. As for the A to the username portion, that was simply a technical reason, we needed two accounts, one w/ sysop for the blocking and one without to do the editing (so the bot couldn't edit fully protected pages). I think everyone forgot that needs change it wasn't like I was attempting to hide anything (and if anything this request is a LOT more public) - if enough members of the community ask for something it gets proposed. Other than that, there's not much else I can say to Essjay other than take a look at WP:AGF
    Respectfully submitted with no intent to comment on either Tawker or Werdna, --Durin 23:14, 6 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Feel free to increase the size of RFA, this one is already longer than my original rfa which is nuts -- Tawker 05:45, 8 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Hey there

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

The image is not unlicensed =D

Destiny Fulfilled

image:DestinyFulfilled.jpg

Image:DFTEMPLATE.jpg

The image I've added is the same, but it is just an thumbnail

It is used in the Destiny's Child User template I've created

Template:User_Destiny's_Child

Regards -- Eduemoni 22:56, 8 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • Both images are tagged with a fair use tag. The use of fair use tagged images outside of the main article namespace is not permitted per Wikipedia:Fair use criteria item #9. I have reverted your removal of the orphaned tag from the image. Please do not remove the tag again without this image being used in the main article namespace. Also, you do not need to upload smaller versions of images in order to have such smaller images. You can take the existing larger image and have the mediawiki software resize per your use. For example, using the code [[Image:DestinyFulfilled.jpg|64px]] uses the original, large image and downscales it to 64px in size, which is what your version does. Since your version is a wholly redundant, smaller copy of image:DestinyFulfilled.jpg, I have deleted your version per WP:CSD image, #1. If you have any questions about this, I'd be happy to answer. --Durin 03:36, 9 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

So How Can I...

Latest comment: 18 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

add images to my templates??? Should I create em? What should I do? I really don't understand all this "Fair Use" thingy =(

--Eduemoni 23:52, 9 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • Fair use is a term used in copyright law. If an image has a copyright, it is possible to use the image in some narrowly defined cases. You don't need to worry about those cases in terms of consideration for your template. Wikipedia policy, irrespective of copyright law, states that we must not use copyrighted images outside of actual Wikipedia encyclopedia articles. This means we can't use copyrighted images in templates. Thus, album covers can not be used as they are copyrighted in almost all cases.
  • If I might suggest, rather than focus on trying to create a userbox to express your admiration for your favorite performer(s), why not enhance the encyclopedia instead? We're here to build an encyclopedia. If you want to create a home page for yourself, try myspace.com or facebook.com or any other similar venue. Wikipedia is very, very poorly suited to that purpose. --Durin 00:35, 10 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

I collaborate with many articles in many interests ranges (that includes Destiny's Child and any of its members articles that I help a lot)

I'd like to express my likes and deslikes, just that, I'm not creating a homepage bacause I already have one!

Isn't your commentary a little unnecessary or a such personal attack?

Before telling or controlling someone about his/her wikiUserPage, shouldn't you look at yours and see how enhanced it is?

My userboxes just show someone where and why I like to create or edit articles on wikipedia --Eduemoni 14:07, 10 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

User:Durin/Removal of fair use images

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

I love the above page; you capture the issue clearly and to the point.

I have been taking on the images these last few days (wanted to focus on something new and fair use seemed like a great place). I am wondering if there is anything I can do to assist you in your on-going slog. I will take up the battle with you.

I was thinking of either copying over your fair use rational or see if I can use the same featrure used on AfDs to transfer the text with my own header. Figure I should have my own copy so that people will leave any message to me and not you.

On a another note, since coming to your user page, I have read a number of your personal essays and have to say, your writing style is top notch, clear, and simple but not pandering. I am going to make a guess that you are a lawyer.--Gay Cdn (talk) (email) (Contr.) 01:05, 10 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • Thanks for the compliments (though calling me a lawyer might be construed as an insult ;)). Your thoughts to create a similar page for yourself have been preceeded by Wikipedia:Removal of fair use images. You might want to use that instead, adapting it as needed for all potential users of the page. I'll caution you in performing this work; it's rather unrewarding on the surface. Few (though there are some) peope will compliment you for it. Of the people that say something to you about, most will castigate you in some form. If you want to do this work, your rewards have to be found elsewhere. For me, it's the knowledge that I am working to prevent the project from suffering from a highly damaging copyright lawsuit.
  • As for how you can help best; learn exactly what the fair use tags are for starters. Most of them can be found in Category:Non-free image copyright tags. Also note that there are two templates in particular which seem to generate the most controversy; Template:Coat of arms and Template:Seal, especially the former. Remember that Wikipedia can and must work from the position that when in doubt, we must assume an image is copyrighted until positively and affirmatively proven otherwise.
  • With those considerations in mind...there's a number of ways in which you can help. Have a look at User:Durin/Popular fair use images. You might consider developing a similar page for yourself. Trying to go back through your contributions and remembering everything you did in this vein to "check up" on potential re-violations is nigh on impossible. I used to scan particular categories for violations. For example, Category:United States athletic conference navigational boxes. I've scanned that category already, but there are similar ones out there. I also frequently do RC patrol focusing on templates [9].
  • That should be enough to get you started. If you have any questions, feel free to toss them my way. All the best, --Durin 02:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Review

Latest comment: 18 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

Thanks for getting back to me. Much of the information that you may be interested in, I have collated at User:Elonka/RfA ponderings, and there are some additional questions from another editor, along with my replies, on the related talk page. If there's anything else that would be helpful to you, please let me know! --Elonka 23:14, 11 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

BTW, I've had another editor, SergeantBolt (talk · contribs) volunteer to submit an RfA [10], but I told him to hold off a bit since you were in mid-review. If you think that you're swamped though, and it would be easier on you if someone else handled the paperwork, let me know and I'll give him the goahead. Speaking personally, I have no strong preference on the matter, since you both have pro's and con's as nominators. For example, he's never submitted an RfA before, whereas you have done several. Then again, he seems to have more free time at the moment! Since I contacted you first though, I see it as your decision at this point -- please let me know how you'd like to proceed.  :) --Elonka 22:00, 16 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
If you're concerned about time, then I'm definitely not the person. I'm swamped at least through November 1st for any serious review. My reviews have, of late, taken 4-5 hours of concerted effort. Finding a block of time like that is...difficult right now. --Durin 01:52, 17 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
Understood. I'll go ahead and give the other nominator the goahead for now. It's not that I'm in a rush, but it makes sense to accept their offer. Please accept my best wishes for working through your current crunch.  :) --Elonka 07:35, 17 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Shakespeare

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Why did you delete my edit about William not shaging kids? Are you telling me he did? can you please prove that he did? thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.63.160.253 (talk) 14:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • Because your edit [11] was unencyclopedic. Such a line could be added to any article. Is there a debate that he had sex with children? If so, then some words to that effect in the article, with citable references to support there is/was a debate, is warranted. To simply state that he didn't have sex with children adds nothing to the article. All the best, --Durin 15:27, 12 October 2006 (UTC)Reply


Re: Use of fair use images

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion

I actually thought it was vandalism as I couldn't find the removal of the images in the page's history, but ok. I never look at images' tags, so sorry about that. --Adriaan90 21:02, 13 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

I don't think I would figure. I have to go to bed now anyway, so yeah. lol. --Adriaan90 21:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

TfD nomination of Template:Sumbox

Latest comment: 18 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Template:Sumbox has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Cedars 01:24, 14 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

City flag images

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Well, I am not sure what the copyright status of these images are, but I think we need to look more closely at them. I am finding a lot of flags at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallery_of_flags_of_United_States_cities that should be looked at, but I believe one of the flags you deleted, the St. Louis city flag, could have been PD (it is now up as yet another unfree image). User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 03:11, 15 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • Each has to be judged on a case by case basis. If an image isn't confirmed as PD, can not be readily so, and it is not used in an article, then it needs to be deleted. Note; I didn't delete the St. Louis City flag. --Durin 12:36, 15 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Fair use image use

Latest comment: 18 years ago4 comments3 people in discussion

Okay, there is something I don't understand and I would like your polite help in explaining it to me. (I say polite because some admin have been far from this.) Why are some images I put in a userbox not allowed, when very much the same has been included in others? For example, a picture of Queen Elizabeth II was deleted, but other boxes have Martin Luther King. Why is a logo produced by the Canadian government accepted in one (armed forces logo or flag) and not in another (maple leaf and poppy)? The policy page doesn't explain this problem that people keep telling me about. I really don't understand and no one will give me a straight answer. Please help me! Scotwood72 07:23, 15 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

lighten up — Preceding unsigned comment added by APACOlypse27 (talk • contribs) 22:07, 15 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

more free use

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

hey durin, I know your into keeping WP free of copyright infringement, I just came across this. Useing the movie poster in this way is a no-no correct? If so should I just delete it? Or do I have to tag it with something? Naufana : talk 03:07, 16 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Thanks

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Thanks for helping with that roving IP vandal... --Nlu (talk) 18:23, 16 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

deletion of deletion debate

Latest comment: 18 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

We got a complaint on OTRS: apparently, this debate in which demeaning comments were made on the topic of the article shows up quite fast in Google. (When I do seemingly "random" deletions it is generally from an OTRS complaint.)

In many of our deletion debates, participants say things that they perhaps should not say in this way in public. I remember in particular a debate about a bio on somebody who didn't write it (a well-meaning colleague did it), but was publicly accused of being an unimportant little boss seeking notability through Wikipedia. Needless to say, the guy was not amused. David.Monniaux 23:52, 16 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

derkunst

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Hello Durin.

You've removed my entry on "derkunst" twice now, and I just want know if there's anything I can do to make this article "uploadable." Save for providing detailed sources.

As is true for most any cryptid, verifiable sources are hard to come by. I'm just not going to be able to use a Philadelphia Inquirer article. Or a book you consider to be reliable.


I'm not trying to be a jerk, but it seems as though you're being particularly tough on this cryptid entry. Look at other cryptids, like "Cherufe," and I think you'll agree.


If I significantly shorten the Derkunst entry, will it be passable?

I included every detail that's ever been told to me, and can understand if including all of these details (without sources) make the piece seem like a hoax.


Thank you in advance for your help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garpie (talk • contribs) 14:27, 17 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • With due respect, I have a hard time believing "Derkunst" exists as a famed cryptid. Doing a search on Google for it yields nothing. Even if there really is such a story, it appears that it is so far below the level of common knowledge in Philadelphia that nobody writes of it...ever...on the Internet. This makes any entry on this essentially impossible to verify. As such, unless you find some hard, verifiable sources this article will not fly. I'm sorry. --Durin 14:32, 17 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Question Regarding Changes In Microsoft Entry

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

How many hits did the microsoft entry receive after i edited it and it displayed "EVIL!!!". Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.140.0.22 (talk) 21:12, 17 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • Even if I knew, I would not report this information to you. Your edit was vandalism, and such behavior is not tolerated here. If you want to contribute positively, then by all means do so. However, continued vandalism will result in a temporary block of your editing privileges. --Durin 21:14, 17 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

user:207.73.183.6

Latest comment: 18 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

Thank you for blocking user:207.73.183.6, I was hopiing that the vadlism would stop, guess that I was underestamating them.I would watch out though, after slowking man blocked them they had their revenge on his page, so I think that it would be a safe statement to say that you are their next target, just seems that you cant do the right thing without ticking off some peopleor making a new enemy. Hope that your page remains unaffected and sorry if it dosent, I will try to find out who did it but I dont think it will be posible, just wanted to say that I respect you guys and wanted to thank you for keeping the net safe. Talon35 11:52, 18 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • No worries. My user page has been vandalized a number of times before, and it doesn't matter to me. It's almost always fixed by some RC patroller within a minute or so anyways. It is virtually always the case that undoing vandalism is far easier and less time consuming than the vandalism itself. Thus, vandals are pretty much self defeating. They're just wasting their own time. --Durin 22:55, 17 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
    • They think that it is funny I dont see how vandalsm is funny, they must have a sick and twisted sence of humor, funny how the gene pool has become the gene mud puddle. Thank you for makung it only a soft block, I enjoy looking through articles and findng falts or updating others that need it, I mainly do it at school, my home computer is always busy or broken, so thank you again for it only being a soft block.Talon35 11:52, 18 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

The Blu McDonalds

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

I am trying to add the Blu McDonalds page to recruit a player and/or to have some information on the internet for our band. Please consider this page before deletion, Mike Foreman — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigheadedkitty4 (talk • contribs) 13:29, 18 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a musician recruitment board or a means to advertise your band. If you want a space for your band on the Internet, you might consider myspace.com. With no releases, no appearances, no record contracts, your band does not meet Wikipedia:Notability (music). --Durin 13:33, 18 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Re:RfA reform

Latest comment: 18 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

Hi Durin - I'm sorry for repeatedly trying to re-invent the wheel on this (I really did it this time!), but I was proceeding with the attitude that brainstorming is generally harmless. You are absolutely correct in your reading. What steps should we take to identify the real problems? Rama's arrow 13:42, 18 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

There was never a danger that I would take your comments in any other way. I admired the way you kept instilling sobriety in us naive kids! I certainly want to help solve this and other problems for Wikipedia's sake, so I'll get back to you the moment I do find something that doesn't resemble a wheel! Thanks, and lemme know if I can be of help in anything. Rama's arrow 14:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Wikipedia:Changing username

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Hi - thanks for your notes on this page. I wonder if you've seen User:DumbBOT/UsernameChange? This automatically generates much of the information which you are compiling, and I usually check it before changing any usernames. If you've got any suggestions for improvements to it, based on the information you've been gathering, I'm sure that would also be appreciated. Warofdreams talk 02:37, 20 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • No, I wasn't aware of it. Thanks :) I think some mention of how long the person has had the account might be in order. I can think of some scenarios where it might have some bearing; some people want to preserve the fact they've been a Wikipedian since x/y/z. --Durin 02:56, 20 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Coat of arms image on Portal:Iceland

Latest comment: 18 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

Hi. Thank you for patrolling the application of free use images. You have just removed this one from Portal:Iceland due to fair use concerns. Although I do understand such removal, I would appreciate if you could inform why does the image qualify for display on Iceland, but not on Portal:Iceland. Best regards.--Húsönd 17:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Image:Taipei City emblem.png

Latest comment: 18 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

What are you doing? You deleted the image from the places where it was used, then messaged me to tell me that it's orphaned and therefore will be deleted? -- ran (talk) 19:28, 20 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • The image is copyrighted and used under a claim of fair use on Wikipedia. As such, it can not be used on your userpage or on a template. Please see Wikipedia:Fair use criteria item #9. I have reverted your re-insertion of this logo onto the template and also on your userpage. Please do not re-insert these fair use images, or any other fair use images, onto the template or your userpage. If you have any additional questions about this, I'd be happy to answer. Thanks, --Durin 19:33, 20 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

=) Thanks for all of your hard work warning others, I know it's not the most pleasant thing to do and I'm sorry for lashing out at you without looking more carefully. I can see that you've been doing this for -- months!! o___O. I'm quite speechless.

  The Barnstar of Diligence
I, Ran, hereby present you, Durin, with the Barnstar of Diligence for all of your hard work in catching inappropriate uses of fair use images on Wikipedia. Cheers! =) ran (talk) 19:50, 20 October 2006 (UTC)Reply
  • Thanks! Through the efforts of many people doing similar work, I think we're finally getting on top of the fair use violation problems. It's just a feeling; I have no evidence to back it up. But, I just seem to be finding fewer hotbeds of fair use violations. I hope the situation is getting better. --Durin 19:51, 20 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Fair Use

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

why can't you have fair use images on user pages, i dont see how that could infringe copyrights, plz tell me, but kinda dumb it down APACOlypse27 21:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • Think of it this way. Would Coca-Cola allow you to make a t-shirt with its logo on it? No, they wouldn't. In the same way, you can't add copyrighted images to your userpage. It violates the copyrights of the people who hold rights to the images. If I'm not making this clear, read Wikipedia:Fair use criteria #9. It won't answer why, but it says in clear language that the use of such images on your userpage is not permitted. If I haven't helped the understanding, please ask. --Durin 22:08, 20 October 2006 (UTC)Reply


More on Fair Use

Latest comment: 18 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I have seen numerous user boxes using Images on Wikipedia. All State USer Boxes had State Flags. So why cant I use Orange County Seal or Coca Cola Logo on a userbox tempelate?

I mean, you have put http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:WelcometoDurin.gif on main space as compared to User Space? --Asfandyar

  • Some, not all images, are protected by copyright. Image:WelcometoDurin.gif for example was made by me and I released it into the public ___domain. Thus, it is acceptable by policy to use it outside of the main article namespace. All U.S. state flags are similarly not protected by copyright. The Orange County Seal and the Coca-Cola logo are protected by copyright and their use here is under terms of fair use. Wikipedia policy on their use, as established by the Wikimedia Foundation is not to allow fair use images to be used outside of the main article namespace. --Durin 11:29, 21 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

userbox

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Hi Durin

I embedded an image in userbox User Eurobeat but that image has been removed. May I know why??? Sushant gupta 12:50, 21 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • The edit summaries tell the story. The image you have been inserting is a copyrighted image, and its use here is under terms of fair use under copyright law. Per terms of Wikipedia:Fair use criteria item #9, the use of such images outside of the main article namespace is not permitted. This means they may not be used on templates. If you have any other questions about this, I'd be happy to answer. --Durin 04:41, 22 October 2006 (UTC)Reply


Barnstar

Latest comment: 18 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion
 
I, Wikipediaman123, award you this userpage barnstar. Excellent Job, Durin. I love the image.God it's a great idea...
-Wikipediaman123 01:05, 21 October 2006 (UTC)Reply


Image removal

Latest comment: 18 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

You removed images from the 2006 WA state Senate site. These are all public political party official logos and fair use. These sorts of logos are used on several other election entries, including those on the Mexican election 9:34, 23 October 2006 Mikesmash 16:37, 23 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

  • Yes, I did remove them. These images exist on Wikipedia under terms of fair use. Our fair use policy at Wikipedia:Fair use criteria item #8 states "The material must contribute significantly to the article (e.g. identify the subject of an article, or specifically illustrate relevant points or sections within the text) and must not serve a purely decorative purpose." The manner in which the logos were being used was purely decorative. With the images removed, the same information was conveyed...which party the various candidates belong to. Thus, the images do not contribute significantly to the article and thus fail the above quoted policy for that use. That fair use logos are used on other political entries in violation of Wikipedia policy does not mean we can violate policy in all articles. In time, the violations will be removed either by myself or other editors. If you have any questions about this, I'd be happy to answer. Thanks, --Durin 18:34, 23 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Sorry Durin

Latest comment: 18 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I will revert what ever I see fit. --Cloveious 18:10, 28 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

Seeking adminship

Latest comment: 18 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I'm preparing for adminship. You appear to be the resident expert on admin qualifications, and since you don't like picking "low hanging fruit", I believe that makes you the right one to see. I would be very grateful if you would consider me as a candidate for adminship. I was the subject of an RfC last spring (for overzealousness), I've had my fair share of run-ins with other editors (but nothing major since the RfC), and it has been pointed out that my use of multiple accounts might be a point of contention when I attempt an RfA. My major contributions are presented on my userpage, and highlights include stirring the Main Page redesign to action last winter, ditto the Help page overhaul early this year, the Wikipedia:Community Portal overhaul early last spring, and I resurrected the Wikipedia:Tip of the day project.

Amongst the pages I have created are the Community bulletin board and the Wikipedia:Department directory, though I can't take full credit for those either (virtually nothing on Wikipedia was created in a vacuum: the CBB for instance was inspired by an idea of Renata, through whose talk page I learned of you). If you need to speak to someone concerning my performance on Wikipedia, User:Quiddity may be a good one to talk to, being the person who filed the RfC, and whom I'm now working closely with on the contents pages of Wikipedia (or maybe it's the other way around, it's hard to tell). Renata is also famiiar with me, from a brighter angle, I hope. I look forward to your reply. Sincerely,  The Transhumanist   05:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC) Reply

Get off your high horse

Latest comment: 18 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

It's people like you who will destory wikipedia, you can try and bully me and ban me if you want but you need to get your head out of your ass. Your campaign of threatning other users and acting big is a waste of time, there is nothing wrong with political party logos' in articles about political parties and elections. Trust me when I say politcal parties in Canada know full well what goes on wikipedia. But that kinda common sense stuff just fly right over your head. Which is really what I would exepect from someone who, doesn't seem smart enough to contribute any usefull content, but just makes other contributors who actually do contribute miserable. --Cloveious 00:48, 30 October 2006 (UTC)Reply

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