Talk:Sundown town
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This article was nominated for deletion on December 5, 2006. The result of the discussion was keep. |
Do not remove the towns listed. The book sourced contains the info. Vidor, Texas is mentioned on page 276 as one of the places that "built national reputations as sundown towns." TimSPC 4:56 21 Oct. UTC
present tense?
Are there any present-day sundown towns? The book doesn't claim that, does it? At least in the case of Edina, MN, blacks are not excluded anymore. Can you name any present-day sundown towns? Pfalstad 19:26, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Questionable References
Kennewick, Washington uses reference 2, but there is just one item in the references section. Where did reference 2 go?
Someone needs to read the lone reference and contextually verify it names all those towns as Sundown Towns. It seems odd that a disproportionate number would be in Illinois. If it is true, then the reason why should be noted here. —This unsigned comment was added by 198.95.226.224 (talk • contribs) 10 March 2006.
- In one chapter, the author James Loewen says that integrated towns went sundown like dominos as riots that led one town to go sundown would spark similar movements in near by towns. A well known riot that did not succeed in removing the black population was in Springfield, Illinois, which might explain the numerous Illinois sundown towns. Finally there are other sundown towns they just haven't been posted. —This unsigned comment was added by 66.72.97.137 (talk • contribs) 24 March 2006.
- There are lots of sundown towns. That's not a complete list. Loewen did a lot of research in Illinois because he's from there. Pfalstad 01:55, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
- In answer to the first question: numbers relate to footnotes, not to the reference list. This is normal and correct. -- Jmabel | Talk 16:07, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
Tom Joyner
The text from this article was read almost verbatim on the Tom Joyner Morning Show Wednesday morning (3/22/2006). I thought it all sounded familiar.—This unsigned comment was added by 131.81.200.154 (talk • contribs) 23 March 2006.
Removing Towns Without Reference
As the title says, i am removing cities from the list without citation. So you better find it soon if you want them to stay. Thankszoreos!--Geppy 00:50, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
I just removed another on this basis. I'm sure there were hundreds, if not thousands; I'm sure they are mostly citable, especially from Loewen's book. More would be welcome, I could even see spinning a list out of the article, but not without citation. - Jmabel | Talk 22:45, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't have the cites to put Glendale, California in the article, but it did have the reputation of being a "sundown town". Even today, when Glendale is quite ethnically diverse, there is a noteable lack of an African-American population.
Alameda, California?
On a recent visit there I heard that Alameda was a Sundown town. I was surprised to hear this... particularly because apparently the enforcement was a direct request from the U.S. Army until the early 1960s. (that late?) Also, of course, given the level of diversity on the San Francisco Bay Area. Any truth to this? Demf 15:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Dearborn, Michigan was recently added with the remark "see article". So I did. The article says nothing about it being a subdown town. It merely says "Dearborn was known nationally for its de facto racial segregation under Mayor Orville L. Hubbard, whose 36 year tenure ended in 1978.…" Most northern towns were de facto segregated at least into the 1960s. If segregation there actually means racial exclusion, then fine, but the article doesn't say so. I've asked on its talk page. In any event, the statement in the other article gives no citation at all, and I don't see how one uncited Wikipedia article is supposed to be a valid source for another article. - Jmabel | Talk 00:00, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Towns in Illinois
Reading the main article suggests, at least on the surface, that Illinois is the most racist state in the country. I find it inconceivable that such a high percentage of sundown towns were in Illnois and doubt that this list is anywhere near complete. The main article should mention that the researcher was from Illinois. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.113.162.17 (talk • contribs) 20 October 2006.
- Yes: not most racist, just better documented. Of course, well-documented additions would be very welcome. So far, most of the additions that people had made were nothing but undocumented assertions. - Jmabel | Talk 02:16, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
- This is something that is quite hard to document. As Loewen's book mentions, it's not something that these towns want out in the public. --Woohookitty(meow) 11:00, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Cnn is currently running a story about sundown towns & Vidor, Texas, which would confirm the article. It's good that it's here.
Thank You.
[[ hopiakuta | [[ [[%c2%a1]] [[%c2%bf]] [[ %7e%7e%7e%7e ]] -]] 14:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
What about "White_Settlement"? The name alone implies sundown.
Thank You.
[[ hopiakuta | [[ [[%c2%a1]] [[%c2%bf]] [[ %7e%7e%7e%7e ]] -]] 14:06, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Good work! :) Yeah that's the thing. They exist. And I think alot of the "WHAT?!" is from the fact that it's hidden. It's not something that's out in the open. But yes, Vidor is definitely sundown. I remember hearing that way back in 1989 when the documentary The Thin Blue Line. Came out. David Harris was from Vidor and one of his attorneys mentioned that African Americans refused to spend the night in Vidor. --Woohookitty(meow) 17:19, 12 December 2006 (UTC)