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Florentin Smarandache

This article exists solely to promote Florentin Smarandache, who has promoted himself via extensive sockpuppetry in various & sundry places on the Internet. Here's an excerpt from one of my personal favorite sockpuppet episodes (there are many more): Hello from India! [1] posted from an ip address belonging to UNM-Gallup, the employer of Smarandache. Now that this bio is up for deletion, we can expect a flurry of sockpuppets coming forth to cheer for Smarandache & question the motives of everyone in sight. Please in the name of all that is good let's not reward sockpuppetry and self-promotion with a Wikipedia article. Delete Wile E. Heresiarch 06:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Smarandache may be a wacky self-promoter and much of the sort of math he does may be the kind of unmotivated axiomatics and base-specific number theory that more serious mathematicians find trivial, but he's well known for it and therefore notable. —David Eppstein 06:27, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Notability is not the same as quality. Yes. So what? Relentless self-promotion doesn't make him notable. Wile E. Heresiarch 08:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Most of the information about Smarandache outside of Wikipedia seems to be written by Smarandache himself. If material written by Smarandache is excluded, it is unclear that much of anything is left. Hence, this person is non-notable outside of what he has written on himself. Dr. Submillimeter 08:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. A search of Amazon.com for Smarandache comes up with 182 books, many of them not written by him. When you can get a dozen authors--W. B. Vasantha Kandasamy, Linfan Mao, Mladen Vassilev-Missana; Krassimir Atanassov, Amarnath Murthy and Charles Ashbacher, Yi Yuan and Kang Xiaouyu, Howard Iseri, Sebastián Martín Ruiz, Ion Soare, and Wenpeng Zhang--to write books with your name in the title, you're notable. As for verifiability, Thompson Gale's Contemporary Authors series--which should be neutral, and available in most major academic libraries--has an article on him, which is available standalone from Amazon for six bucks. I'm getting a strong feeling that people are confusing dislike of the person with notability. I don't know much about the guy, but even if his works were insipid cultic trash, getting this many people from around the world to write about his work, plus the biography in Contemporary Authors, makes him notable. P.S. Can we avoid the preemptive attack on all who would vote to keep this article? It runs into WP:AGF area.--Prosfilaes 09:42, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Dominus nailed it. DavidCBryant 10:53, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Purge. The point is not whether he is notable, but that the article violates Wikipedia rules for a bio. Exclude material only written by Smarandache himself. pom 11:32, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Which Wikipedia rules? It doesn't impress me as a featured article, but there's no glaring NPOV problems, and WP:AUTO doesn't demand that self-written articles be deleted, nor that information from the subject be excluded (WP:AUTO--"One thing which you can do to assist other Wikipedia editors is, if you already maintain a personal website, please ensure that any information that you want in your Wikipedia article is already on your own website. As long as it's not involving grandiose claims like, "I was the first to create this widget," or "My book was the biggest seller that year," a personal website can be used as a reference for general biographical information."). Also, generally "merge", "delete", and "keep" are acceptable responses to an AfD. If you request is that the article be edited in some way, "keep" it and make the changes or bring it up on the talk page.--Prosfilaes 11:48, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom and Submillimeter. Akihabara 12:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I see no evidence this person is notable. Did I miss something, like that he is mentioned in The Guinness Book of Records as the worlds' top self-promotor? Even if the person was notable, if you remove everything from the article that is completely uninteresting or unverifiable, nothing of encyclopedic value is left.  --LambiamTalk 13:18, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Do I get a feeling that people are a bit biased against this guy? His theories that a dozen people have written books on isn't a bit notable? A hypothesis listed on Eric Weisstein's World of Physics isn't a bit notable?--Prosfilaes 13:53, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, provided the 134 published titles factoid is true. (How many do you have?) As for the wacky self-promotion, clean it up. (Maybe it's a Romanian thing that the rest of us just can't understand.) Lou Sander 13:37, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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