User talk:Radiant!/Goodbye

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For the humor-impaired, my front page is satire and should not be taken seriously.

My current project is classifying the entire Dead End Pages section, which is now complete except for the letters E, F, G and M. Since there are (were) a lot of DEPs and about 10% of them qualify for VfD, I have been contributing a lot of VfD entries lately and would probably be considered deletionist. However I have been known to vote 'keep' on occasion, and yes, I do google. My apologies for the extra work required to evaluate the recent flooding of VfDs, but I feel that sorting out the DEPs was necessary. Radiant! 14:32, Feb 21, 2005 (UTC)


Welcome!

Hi Radiant!, and a warm welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you have enjoyed editing as much as I did so far and decide to stay. If you have any questions or doubts, don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page. Once again, welcome! =)

- Mailer Diablo 10:11, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

runescape

Hello somone is adding advertisements to runescape pages, Iv had to revert them several times now on the pages! When I changed one back I lost that notice that you added, but I dont think I should put it back as that would mean for the whole runescape page to go. Thank You, Master Rune.

  • You're right, I thought it was a simple spam rather than vandalism. Radiant! 00:22, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  • VFD is not the only, nor even the first, weapon in Wikipedia's arsenal. It's nowhere near finished yet, but you might benefit from a read of my draft article on Wikipedia new page triage, at User:Uncle G/Wikipedia triage. In particular, notice what it says about checking for copyright violations first, and why that is a particularly effective weapon in cases like these. Uncle G 03:41, 2005 Feb 13 (UTC)
    • Ah, that was useful. Found three potential copyvios today :) thanks. Radiant! 13:27, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Deadends

We list deadend pages not because they contain no links, but because containing no links is an important clue that an article is sub-standard. Especially important is that a significant number of deadends are copyright infractions that msut be dealt with as soon as possible. Adding {{wikify}} or a category or a single link does not turn and unwikified mess into a good article. Removing such pages from the list makes it is less likely they will receive the attention they need. - SimonP 14:47, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)

Adding categories and tags is useful, but it does not actually improve the articles. It is far better to let them sit on the deadend page until substantive improvements are made. - SimonP 14:59, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)
If we removed articles after they were tagged or categorized it would make tagging and categorizing counterproductive as removing a page from the deadend list greatly reduces its chance of being improved. - SimonP 15:08, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)
Note that at the top of the page it states "To assist, head to an article and read through it. Ensure that it follows Wikipedia's Style Guide, and that it contains links to other articles in the Wikipedia. Once completed, remove the article from the list below." - SimonP 15:43, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)
Which is why I removed all the well formated stubs from the page, as I do every day. - SimonP 16:01, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)

VfD

Thanks for making all these VfD nominations. It will temporarily clog up the deletion process no doubt but it needs doing. I am convinced there are thousands and thousands of useless articles that sit there and fester for months until someone lists them for deletion. Going through the deadend list is a good way of weeding Wikipedia. Cheers. — Trilobite (Talk) 15:48, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Humble Suggestion

Hi Radiant! You certainly do have a longer and more distinguished history than I do as a deletionist, but I thought I might make one suggestion. I frequently agree with your thoughts in VfD, but in the case of articles that need to be rewritten, perhaps it would be better to add the cleanup-rewrite tag (or other appropriate cleanup tag) particularly when the subject matter is clearly encyclopedic and the article isn't nonsense. Thanks for listening, and keep up the awesome and drudgerous (okay, I admit the neologism) work of cleaning up WP! HyperZonktalk 19:03, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)

  • Thanks. You have a point, I do get carried away at times. I'll try and keep an eye out. Radiant! 19:27, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)

National Center for Missing and Exploited Children

Sorry for the sharp words on your VFD candidate. You certainly have more energy than I do trying to clean things up. The only excuse I can offer is that I usually check these pages (among others) every few day to see if anything can be fixed (and yes, I seldom log on). With so many new additions it seemed overwhelming. DialUp 19:52, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

  • No problem! I know I'm overloading the VfD section, but I felt the Dead End part had rown too large. I'm sure some of my VfDs are unjustified, feel free to point out when they are. Radiant! 20:28, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)

opinions

I'm sorry that I haven't been able to get back to you yet. I've only just managed to trim my to-do list down to five articles. Uncle G 20:01, 2005 Feb 17 (UTC)

  • No problem, it's in no particular hurry. Radiant! 20:26, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)

Vfd!!

Hi there! Am I right to see that you're cleaning up the entire /bio-stub/ category? If so that's a very good idea, and keep up the good work! I'm doing roughly the same with /deadend pages/, and while it does overload VfD a bit it's well worth it! Radiant! 20:50, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)

Hi Radiant. Coincidentally, I was visiting your talk page to leave a message earlier this morning but got distracted with other things before I could do so -- thanks for writing. Yes, you are correct in that I am sorting out the bio-stub category. There are a great many articles which could certainly benefit from gains in visibility by being added to more specific categories. There is also a bunch of grey-area articles (and some not-so-grey) that are being shunted to VfD as a result; hopefully this will help form a clearer concensus down the road, but ultimately I would like to see some documented policies in effect as to what should stay, what should go. As it is right now we have a very evident and systemic bias towards (English-speaking) politicians, professors and anything fantasy/sci-fi or technology related; that should be brought to light and discussed rather than swept under the rug every time the point is raised. Maybe my efforts will help hedge a concensus, maybe not. In any case, keep up the great work! GRider\talk 21:00, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Geo-stubs

Hi Radiant! Any chance I can convince you to use some of the more specific geo-stubs? Most of them are simply countryname-geo-stub. It'd just save me (or someone else) having to go back and re-stub them. Even if you just used one or two of the more frequently encountered ones (like US-geo-stub for NoHo Arts District) it'd help. Cheers! Grutness|hello?   00:25, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

  • Good point. I should keep a list of them. I usually guess what the name should be (e.g. india-stub) then change to the more generic 'geo-stub' if I can't find the right name in a couple guesses. Radiant! 09:40, Feb 19, 2005 (UTC)

(I just want to make it clear that my terse agreement here was with RaD Man's keep and emphaticness, not with his personal attack, and apologize that it appears otherwise.) —Korath (Talk) 09:57, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)

  • Okay, no problem. Radiant! 11:13, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)

VfD schedules

I wasn't 100% sure, but I was sure enough to make a statement. In any case, thanks for coming back to me with that info! :) Mike H 09:00, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)


Deletion

Thankyou [1] Giano 09:52, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hey Radiennt (remember, you must misspell your name for Google to find you notable)! I was just wondering if you might review your vote on Ciphire. I did a little digging and the software appears to actually be unnotable except as regards its number of Google hits. Please see my notes on its deletion page. Thanks! HyperZonktalk 17:27, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)

Notability

I disagree with your assessment. Wikipedia:Informative, which is pretty much defunct, merely states that any article must be interesting and actionable. It makes no mention of notability. What Wikipedia is not nowhere states that non-notable things can be deleted, only that clearly notable things should be kept, which is an important distinction. - SimonP 15:38, Feb 28, 2005 (UTC)


At least you get a response - I just get deleted! Giano 17:03, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No problems rather like a boil on the bottom one learns to cope! 213.122.177.53 19:56, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

don't bother with him. its a waste of time. i got fed up trying to reason with him months ago. Xtra 12:10, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC) if memory serves me correctly, i was the original deletee. he got annoyed that i gave him advice. Xtra 12:14, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

  • Ah okay. Well, it doesn't presently bother me, but if he starts attacking other people on VfD again I think we should call in a Mediator to deal with his frequent abuse. Radiant! 12:27, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)
Actually Xtra that honour is mine! Thanks for the now deleted defense today, but Xtra is right it is a waste of time. Giano 18:02, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Deadend pages

I update the deadend page gradually so that every week or so one or two letters is refilled. - SimonP 15:48, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC)

Delete or transwiki

Hi there! From your reaction on VfD, I believe you are unfamiliar with the term 'transwiki'? It means to move the article to a different wiki (usually Wiktionary or Wikisource), because some articles are interesting but not encyclopedic, and as such do not belong in Wikipedia. It doesn't mean that something has to be gotten rid of. Hope that helps! Yours, Radiant! 16:41, Mar 3, 2005 (UTC)

Hmm. Seems you are not too familiar with it either. I understand it not as moving it to a different wiki, but as putting it in an obscure waiting room, just in case it could end in a different wiki, and as saying good bye to its opportunities to become encyclopedic. Regards. --Pgreenfinch 17:30, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Help! Xe's putting all of the dictionaries back in. Uncle G 19:09, 2005 Mar 3 (UTC)

  • (That's xe as in xe. I try not to avoid suggesting gender when all that I know about someone is their pseudonym.) One of the ways that you can help is to contribute to the discussion on that talk page as you see fit. I'd much prefer the inputs of a lot of Wikipedians to the discussion, rather than just those of Nohat and myself. Uncle G 03:23, 2005 Mar 4 (UTC)

Eyes bugging out

Hi, Radiant!. I'm having some difficulty believing my eyes, they're kind of bugging out. Pcpcpc has just put my username up, in public, on his talk page, on what he calls his "ignore list", as being somebody who "engages in repeated personal attacks." Along with yours and Giano's—I'm not saying that listing you guys is any less heinous, but at least he's engaged in a current conflict with the two of you, which makes some kind of sense ... whereas the last time I spoke with the guy was on January 12! This is actually amazing, I'm feeling distinctly unnerved. It's like I'm never going to be shut of this guy and his hate.

In case you'd like to see my "personal attacks" against Pcpcpc, here they are in full. Three posts.

Me on December 31

Pcpcpc's reply

Me a little later the same day

Pcpcpc:s reply

Me on January 12

Pcpcpc's reply

That's it! That's the whole thing, I haven't spoken to him since. (At least, I'm pretty sure that's the whole thing, but hey, it was two months ago, I could have missed out something.) I've been determined, up to now, to simply have no more contact with this rebarbative user, but this...! I'm on an "ignore list", as if I'd been persistently flooding his talk page? With "personal attacks", yet? Apparently it's made no difference that I've been keeping quiet for two months and merely lived with the hate that Pcpcpc flings around so recklessly (he speaks of me and Giano to other users, strangers to both him and us, with extraordiniary venom, at the drop of a hat, with the most tenuous relevance), apparently without any notion that there are actual people behind "Giano" and "Bishonen": if you prick us, do we not bleed? Wikipedia has just become too unpleasant for me, and I've changed my mind about pacifism. Not that I'm planning any initiative—I know what RFCs and RFArs do to a person's peace of mind, and am still hoping one can be avoided—but if you should decide to do an RFC or similar, I'm in.
Perhaps you'll think it strange, incidentally, that the actual History of Pcpcpc's Talk page before February 12 is now at an archive, but that's the way it is. It's an effect that can be achieved quite simply by first moving the Talk page itself to being called "Archive", then editing the automatically created redirect into being again the Talk page: voilà, you have a fresh start, nobody can trace the way you've been acting before February 12, or not without being very curious and persistent. Best wishes,--Bishonen | Talk 21:03, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC). P. S. I just saw that Giano has now removed the "Ignore list". That's Giano, not Pcpcpc.

Thanks for doing that. He does talk a lot with other users on his own talk page, that's all. That's almost the only place he does talk, I was surprised to run into him on VfD. The talk page tirades against his unfortunate visitors (people do come there, to ask about the big category project he's doing, though the experience rarely encourages them to come again) often include bitter reminiscences of the conspiracy of "insiders", chief among them Bishonen, who have mobbed him from his first day here. I'd gladly never look at his page again, if it weren't such an uncomfortable feeling to not know when and how my name is going to get bandied there. Ah, well, never mind, it's all best forgotten. Bishonen | Talk 01:10, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hi, Just left a short note to anyone who may be interested on his talk page, its short so will be easy top revert without anyone else's edits having to be blended in. Giano 10:11, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Bot work request

I will need to know exactly the length of the duration you wish for me to include it. Also, although it is a trivial change, you might need to list the request at Wikipedia talk:Bots and make sure no one objects to the change before I can implement it. -- AllyUnion (talk) 11:36, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Why not just transclude this at the top (or bottom) of Wikipedia:Votes for deletion and Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Log/Today, instead of editing it in by hand every day? Seems like it would save you some hassle. —Korath (Talk) 15:06, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC)

Non-English pages (such as the one you vfd'd above) should first go through the process at Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English, FYI. —Korath (Talk)

VfD high schools

Hi there! Several high schools have been listed on VfD with uncertain consensus. However, G/Rider has sent a list of these to a number of people, resulting in a large number of last-minute keep votes. (For example, see User_talk:SimonP. Is this a normal way of voting? Radiant! 23:08, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)

Vote stacking is not permitted on VfD. The reviewing admin should be made aware of the attempted vote stack, and should consider and weigh the votes accordingly. -- AllyUnion (talk) 02:34, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)