Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Map workshop/Archive/Mar 2022

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Kentucky

Latest comment: 3 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

Finished map

Article(s): Kentucky Transportation Cabinet
Request: Could you make an SVG of the PNG, with all the same colour zones and numbers? The PNG was derived from File:Map of Kentucky highlighting Ballard County.svg. 49.198.51.54 (talk) 21:19, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Discussion

Request taken by M.Bitton (talk) 13:20, 14 March 2022 (UTC).
Done Please note that the generated map has been saved in human-editable plain text format, making every part of it easily customizable. The counties have been assigned their own codes and grouped into numerical districts. The rest should be fairly self-explanatory. M.Bitton (talk) 00:06, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Pacific West Conference - ___location map fix

Latest comment: 3 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

Finished map

Article(s): Pacific West Conference
Request: The ___location map for the Pacific West conference has Hawaii, California and Utah highlighted. The only Utah school left in 2017 and so the map should only show California and Hawaii. Could you please update https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:PWCstates.png (not sure if this is the correct place to request for those in commons) Naraht (talk) 15:28, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Discussion

@Naraht: Would you mind if the map is converted to SVG? M.Bitton (talk) 16:05, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

M.Bitton Don't mind! Have fun! (is that the type of file that all you have to do is change one value in "text" to flip an area from one color to another?)Naraht (talk) 16:46, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Done @Naraht: Indeed. M.Bitton (talk) 23:51, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Mass-replace png with svg?

Latest comment: 3 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Hey, does anyone know if there is a method of (semi-)automatically replacing png images in articles with their equivalent SVG? I am thinking about re-making a map in SVG, which is a lot of work (but somewhat interesting), but I don't want to replace the image like 200 times in a dozen different wikipedias, which is a lot of work (and incredibly boring). So before I start the work, I'd like to know if this is effective. I have no interest in adding to the long list of https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Top_200_images_which_have_a_vector_version_available_by_usage - I really don't.--91.64.209.25 (talk) 19:59, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Yes, SVG maps can be scaled better, but good maps usually contains a lot of text, also curved text etc. and the wiki renderer often does not display the fonts correctly. As a cartographer I just don't want to keep several versions of maps which contains embedded text. They are useless when you need to update the maps. Then you have to place the text completely new. But you can only understand something so annoying if you have actually made maps by yourself. --Lencer (talk) 10:05, 22 March 2022 (UTC)

Ukraine

Latest comment: 3 years ago5 comments2 people in discussion

png file
SVG base map
SVG requested map

Article(s)

Ukraine

Request

Is there any way to replace the main png map of Ukraine's article with an svg version, since it would obviously just look so much more better/clearer? I asked on Ukraine's talk page and they referred me to here so I don't know? Specifically this file File:Ukraine (orthographic projection).png. Hgh1985 (talk) 04:21, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Discussion

Request taken by M.Bitton (talk) 12:58, 23 March 2022 (UTC).

@Hgh1985: With regard to the light green regions: do you have any idea what source was used to highlight part of the Donbas? M.Bitton (talk) 17:11, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

@M.Bitton: I have no clue Hgh1985 (talk) 17:50, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Done @Hgh1985: Luckily, some of the maps in the Donbas article are sourced (I used the sources to show the occupied territories). You'll notice that I created two maps: a "SVG base map" and a "SVG requested map" (the SVG equivalent of the png map). Also, unlike the png map, the projection is centred on Ukraine (in line with similar maps). M.Bitton (talk) 22:27, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Orthographic projection with South Africa highlighted and centered

Latest comment: 3 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

Finished map

Article(s): South Africa
Request: Can I please get an orthographic projection centered and highlighting South Africa on the article? The current one there doesn't have South Africa centered. -- Flags200 (talk) 04:16, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Discussion

Request taken by M.Bitton (talk) 13:30, 28 March 2022 (UTC).
Done @Flags200: To be honest, I'm not sure it's an improvement over what's in the article as it may it look quite remote from the rest of the African countries. Maybe centring it on where the Zambia, Angola and DRC borders meet could yield a better a result. Have a look and let me know what you think. M.Bitton (talk) 21:58, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

@M.bitton: It looks great. The current map in the South Africa article is centered on the democratic republic of the Congo and because of that, South Africa looks a bit distorted. Flags200 (talk)

East Timor municipality map

Latest comment: 3 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

Pre-2022 map

Article(s): East Timor, Municipalities of East Timor
Request: In January this year Atauro (the pink island at the top) was split from Dili. If someone would be able to upload a new file dated 2022 with this split included, that would be appreciated. The simplest solution is probably creating a new version of the current image and just changing Atauro to a new colour and adding a label, although I'm not tied to the format at all if anyone is interested in creating something different. Thanks, CMD (talk) 07:46, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
Discussion

I have split Atauro from Dili. Do ping me if you would like further modifications. Seloloving (talk) 11:54, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

That's great, thanks! {{Resolved}}: CMD (talk) 13:11, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Request: SVG locator map for English-speaking countries

Latest comment: 3 years ago16 comments4 people in discussion

current PNG map
replacement SVG map
New map

Article(s)

Template:English official language clickable map

Request

Could the SVG map be modified to fit the template (should at least be cropped), or the template be modified to fit the SVG, so that the PNG can be replaced? Thanks -- — kwami (talk) 22:33, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Discussion

@Kwamikagami

Done — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 17:59, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, the cropping's good, but it still doesn't fit the template. Do we need to manually adjust the encoding for the links, or is there an easier way to address this? — kwami (talk) 22:59, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

{@Kwamikagami: What's the point of replacing a map that isn't meant to be expanded? Also, why modify an SVG map to fit the template and not simply add the hyperlinks to the SVG? M.Bitton (talk) 23:37, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

That's why I said "or the template be modified to fit the SVG." You guys know how these things work, not me. — kwami (talk) 01:45, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

First things first. Let's start by identifying the issues with the current map and then we'll take it from there. Is there a particular reason why you want to replace the png map? I ask because the last thing we want is invest time in something that doesn't address the real problem. M.Bitton (talk) 02:49, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kwamikagami and Berrely: I went ahead and created a new map: rather than work around the old fashioned image map, I opted for a more flexible template (one that uses an SVG map, as requested, while making it easy for the editors to change the links, the size of text, the number of columns, etc.). Please have a look and let me know what you think. M.Bitton (talk) 21:36, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, @M.Bitton:. With the current template, the link to the languages of Guyana is in Peru, and that for Bermuda is in the Bahamas. It's frustrating enough to try to find links for the smaller countries that I suspect that few people use them at all.

There are quite a few additional varieties of English, but this way we can see what's still missing (e.g. Hawaiian, Pitcairn, Bermuda, Leeward Isles, etc.). Plus it looks much nicer. Even with a few missing varieties, IMO it's an improvement, so I support replacing the current template with yours. The title would no longer be accurate, though, so probably best to move it as well. Is that something you should do, or could I?

The current map is used on quite a few other wikis. I haven't checked how many of the varieties they actually have articles for, or if they're mostly just links to the country articles, so I don't know how often your new map would be better than the current one they're using. WP-ar, -fa, -hy, -mzn make quite extensive use of it; a dozen other wikis in a more moderate number of articles, or not even translated. — kwami (talk) 23:41, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kwamikagami: I'm not sure what you mean by 'the title'. Unfortunately, by trying to decipher the rather small current map, I ended up missing islands (which can still be added). I'm still trying to understand what the two colours are meant to represent and wondering whether I should start afresh, maybe even turning the numbers into links. M.Bitton (talk) 18:36, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

@M.Bitton: The difference is how much English is actually spoken in the country. Dark blue means it's the majority native language. Nearly everyone will speak English quite well, unless they're immigrants, and even then their children will. Light blue generally means it's the or a language of education. People will speak it to varying degrees of competency, and a lot of people won't speak it at all, and children will generally speak something else. In India and Tanzania, for example, you're probably fine with English in the cities, but once you get to the villages, it's of limited use. In Guyana, most speak an English creole for most things, which really needs to be learned as a separate language, though it's close to English. Some cases may be borderline, but those can be debated on the talk page.

By "title", I meant that "English official language clickable map" would no longer be appropriate if it's not clickable.

I don't have any strong feelings on whether the numbers should be links, but if they are, they should be customizable, both for when new articles are added to WP-en and for adapting the template to other wikis. — kwami (talk) 23:26, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

I now have a clearer idea of what needs to be done. Since the islands are a bit fiddly (with some either missing or hardly visible on the base map), I think it's best not to rush it and instead finish properly it this weekend. In the meantime, if you think of anything that should be added, please let me know. Best, M.Bitton (talk) 21:49, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, and yes, please take your time. No rush.

Yes, being able to see islands on a reduced-scale map can be a problem, esp. in the Caribbean where they crowd each other. But the crowding is ameliorated by "English of the Windward and Leeward Islands", which covers the smaller islands within Caribbean English. Myself, I try to add rings that are large and thick enough to be readily visible at a reduced scale (and clickable if need be) but not so much as to obscure the underlying terrain. Not always easy. — kwami (talk) 07:32, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Done @Kwamikagami: Please have a look at the finished template (especially the links) and let me know if I missed something. With regard to the "title", you have two choices: you can either create a new template or rename (move) the current one. M.Bitton (talk) 23:52, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

@M.Bitton: That looks really nice! I like the blow-out of the Lesser Antilles and Cyprus. I notice offhand that Tuvalu's missing, but we don't have an article and it looks like the status of English may be mostly a formality. There are probably a few other things like that, that might not be worth including (e.g. the BIOT, which has no permanent population, but then neither does South Georgia, which we do list). I don't know what our criteria should be, e.g. Languages of the Gambia, Seychelles#Languages. I'll ask at the language project.

Re. the width, is there a reason for pre-setting it, or could we put it at 100% the reader's screen? I don't need to scroll much on a laptop, but I wonder if it might be a problem on a smaller screen. On the other hand, maybe it would be a problem of being too small if it were scalable. — kwami (talk) 00:55, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kwamikagami: I see no reason to exclude the Gambia and Seychelles, but I'll await and see what other regions should be added before updating the map. The width has to be pre-set unfortunately. We can make it smaller, but to be honest, for a map that does not display in the mobile view of Wikipedia (since it's displayed inside a Navbox), 1280x650 is already small by today's standards. M.Bitton (talk) 16:54, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

What is number 3? (Québec? Why a different number for this province?)

Other than that: 4 = Republic of Ireland, 5 = Isle of Manx, 6 = Scotland, 7 = England, 8&9 = Channel Islands, 10 = Wales => Where's Northern Ireland? A455bcd9 (talk) 12:58, 31 March 2022 (UTC)