Wikipedia:When to use or avoid "other stuff exists" arguments

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This page in a nutshell: Supporting your position with other stuff isn't going to work.

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Deletion of articles

See also: Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions § What about article x?

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• Keep Supporting your position with other stuff isn't going to work. –LetsKeepIt! 04:04, 4 April 2004 (UTC)
• Delete Supporting your position with other stuff isn't going to work. –GetRidOfIt! 04:04, 4 April 2004 (UTC)

Supporting your position with other stuff isn't going to work.

• Keep Supporting your position with other stuff isn't going to work. –LetsKeepIt! 05:05, 5 April 2005 (UTC)

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Creation of articles

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Inherent notability

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Precedent in usage

Shortcuts

• WP:Some stuff exists for a reasonWP:Some stuff exists for a reason
• WP:SSEFARWP:SSEFAR
• WP:SSEWP:SSE

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See also

• Wikipedia:Notability comparison test
• Whataboutism
• Tu quoque
• Wikipedia:Precedents
• Wikipedia:Ignore all precedent
• Wikipedia:Inclusion is not an indicator of notability
• Wikipedia:Pokémon test
• Wikipedia:Consistency in article titles
• WP:OTHERCONTENT

Footnotes

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