Category problems with counties
Hi Beland, I've noticed the Pearl bot will add the County Category to a parent county even if it already exists. I think that it is related to having a category that looks like this. Category:Imperial County California| ]] I do that so that in the Sub Category, the parent always appears first for ease of use. The bot then adds the same county sub category. See Imperial County, California for the end result. Sortior 23:38, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)
- Ooo, good catch. I've upgraded Pearle's brain so that this shouldn't happen in the future. I will have to devise some method for finding other articles where the same thing happened. I suppose it would be a good idea to take a look at the entire tree of political divisions of the USA at the end of the current run, anyway, to see if there are any more anomalies. Thanks, Beland 04:30, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I'm wondering why Pearle created this category. I had thought User:D6 created it, since I only noticed it after D6 had added Columbus Township, St. Clair County, Michigan to the category, which was otherwise empty. Anyhow, township categories are a bad thing, IMO, with the possible exception of some large charter townships that might have enough going on in them to warrant a category, like some cities have. older≠wiser 03:37, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)
- It looks like a link from Columbus, Michigan to "Columbus_Township, St._Clair_County, Michigan" was interpreted as being a link to a county with the name "Columbus Township, St. Clair", so Columbus, Michigan was added to it. Then there was a second pass to add all Michigan county categories to "Category:Michigan counties", which by necessity creates a lot of new categories (because many only had articles assigned them, not any intro text), so no warning was triggered.
- I checked, and this is the only township category Pearle has created. I agree they they are unnecessary, as I wrote in the WikiProject Cities proposal. I will nominate this category for deletion, and make a note to modify matching logic to avoid this problem in the future. Thanks for checking up on it. -- Beland 04:29, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Trinidad towns
I suppose my question wasn't quite clear - I was just wondering if I re-name the category 'Towns of (in) Trinidad and Tobago' to 'Cities and towns' - as it stands there are only two "cities" in Trinidad, and I included them in the "towns" list (the difference in that case is somewhat trivial, because the "cities" are the second and third largest 'towns', while the largest 'town' wasn't even a municipality until 1990). The thought was really - if I choose to rename the category, should I wait until after the change has been run (and then empty and CFD the old category) - I assume that would be less confusing than to empty and CFD the category so that it appears in two places? Of course, no one has complained about the naming as it stands - maybe "towns" is fine for something as small as Trinidad. Sorry about the rambling... Guettarda 04:49, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)!
- Thanks very much. Legally municipalities covers two entities in Trinidad - "cities" (the City of Port of Spain and the City of San Fernando) and "boroughs" (the Borough of Chaguanas, the Borough of Point Fortin and the Royal Borough of Arima). The term "town" is generally used for these and any other settlement of some size and history, while "village" might be used for smaller entities. The usage of "town" for things like Siparia, Couva, St. Joseph and Tunapuna (to pick a few examples) is historical, covers a valid entity and (in several cases) an administrative center, but not an "incorporated municipality" with any legal standing. Nonetheless, leaving the examples I stated out of a list wouldn't make sense (if the articles existed) - St. Joseph, for example, is the oldest European town in Trinidad (founded in the 1500s). Similarly, Scarborough in Tobago is the administrative centre, and it's the largest town on the island, but it does not have a legal status distinct from the rest of the island. On the other hand, laws that apply to "built up areas" would cover these examples (for example, there are two speed limits in Trinidad, one for built up areas and one for open areas).
- My point (if I have one) is that there are legal distinctions between cities and towns, and there are also legal distinctions between municipalities and other towns. It doesn't fit well into the American model(s) of towns and cities (my favourite is the "City of Atqasuk" in Alaska - which has 200 people and is only accessible by air - or snow mobile/dog sled in winter). Legally it's a city, but when I was there in 1996 there was a plaque on the wall with a greeting from President Clinton to the "Village of Atqasuk". seems weird to me that the two extremes can be used interchangeably. Guettarda 13:54, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hi Beland, As I have been fixing orphans, I have come across vastly different styles of category redirects...none that work so well. However the template categoryredirect seems the best. So I change other ones to that style. I was wondering if in the normal orphan run you can scan the redirect category for its subs, and then the subs for any articles. Then I can fix the articles to point to the right category. Thanks Sortior 02:39, Dec 24, 2004 (UTC)
Category Bugs in new release
Beland, Thought you might want to know about these that I reported on Bugzilla. Using a space to put an article at the top of a category, now creates a subheading of Cont. on many but not all category pages.
For the recent orphaned category lists, the behaviour has changed for non existent categories. It used to be I could click on the non existent category and see what articles were linked there. That no longer works, so for future dumps unless this gets fixed, we will need to know all the articles if you dump can do that. If you click on the what links here page it doesnt work as well. Sortior 01:21, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)
Category:Categories for deletion is full
There are vastly more articles in Category:Categories for deletion than there are in Wikipedia:Categories for deletion. There are only a couple of reasons I can think of for this:
- People add {{cfd}} without adding it to CfD.
- People remove from CfD without removing the template.
- People (ARGH!) convert articles into soft links WITHOUT removing the CFD tempalte.
Ok, I know this one is old: (dec 1) Category:Geography of Northern Ireland but I caught you. :)
Since you made (at least one small) mess, can you perhaps teach pearle to look for stuff like this and help weed out the category, and maybe remove cfd's from things not in CfD? Or maybe traverse Category: Wikipedia category redirects and both move stuff that shouldn't be there and remove any other CFD templates not yet removed?
As much stuff as is in C:CfD, it'll take me a week to go through it all just to make sure it's all suppose to be there. Blech. --ssd 06:07, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- I can certainly automatically compare the membership of the category and the page...I'll add that to my todo list. Sortior has also request that I scan through category redirects, so I'll definite add that logic at some point. It may take a few weekends...I'm trying to clean up the older entries on CFD so at least the categories that are listed there can be debated on a page relatively free of clutter. 8) -- Beland 06:41, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Make sure to apply for permission for that new task on Talk:Bots, or someone is sure to go non-linear on you and block Pearle because it's doing something unauthorized. In fact, you might want to try and word it a little more generally ("Category maintainence", or some such) so you don't have to do a new round of authorization every time you do something slightly different. Noel (talk) 22:27, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Aircraft categories and Pearle
I was very, very bored last night. (Actually, I have to look at each of the individual categories in order to delete them, so making a couple of edits while I was at it was not a big effort. Or really any effort.)
Speaking of Pearle, I would very much like to operate a Pearle clone if you wouldn't mind. It would certainly speed up category work to have more of us able to handle mass moves. -Aranel ("Sarah") 18:59, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- I will try to clean up the code so it's suitable for sharing. This will have to wait until all the controversy about interwiki links is sorted out. -- Beland 02:41, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments. The next thing I would like to do with the map is turn it into an imagemap, so that when you click on a county or state, it lists all the battles in that county or state, but that'll have to wait till Wikipedia supports such features. Another future possibility would be to use a map that accurately depicts counties, states, and territories back then, although those boundaries changed all the time. --brian0918™ 03:06, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Sort order of people cats
- Categories such as Category:Competitors at the 2004 Summer Olympics are generally sorted by surname by adding a sortkey. The bot may have removed this when renaming, e.g. at Jan Zelezný [1]. -- User:Docu
Thanks for noticing this; the code has now been fixed to preserve sort keys like it was originally supposed to. -- Beland 03:50, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- The category still seems to need fixing though. Once I updated D6 to the new editing system, it might try to give you a hand. -- User:Docu
azotemia
Azotemia is not a disease, it's a laboratory abnormality. - Nunh-huh 05:53, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Stub tags and categories
The consensus at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting seems to be to put stub tags after the category tags so that the stub categories don't appear first in the list of categories. Is there any way to get Pearle not to reverse this? (By the way, I am absolutely delighted that Pearle is back!) -Aranel ("Sarah") 04:31, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Protected areas
Why have you moved all the categories for national parks from National parks by country to protected areas by country? I can't find any justification for it in the discussion. Protected areas are a larger category. National parks are a subcategory of protected areas, not synonymous with it. Look at Category:Protected areas of the United States where national parks are one single entry out of many types. Rmhermen 06:18, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)