Talk:Mass Rapid Transit (Singapore)
LTA Map copyrights
Please stop adding copies of the LTA map here unless you write to them and get permission to release it under GFDL. It's copyrighted and Singapore does not recognize "fair use". Jpatokal 07:57, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Yes it does, I've seen it before. The clauses for the conditions of "fair use" for educational purposes authorising reproduction of copyrighted materials for educational purposes were posted in my school office. I read the entire section anyhow, because I was waiting to be picked up that day. Wikipedia being an education source.... -- Natalinasmpf 21:23, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
- I think Singapore recongizes Fair Use. See Wikipedia talk:SGpedians' notice board for more info. - Mailer Diablo 18:50, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
- This is amazing! you can find the Law online: http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/ ... go to 'C' list, for Copyright Act, Cap 63, start from Section 35. But we need to translate it to English .... Vsion 23:23, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
- That sounds damn familiar. :D Yeah I think I see the same thing in my (ex)varsity somewhere. Vision shd be able to confirm this. haha. But why dont we just try drawing our own map instead?--Huaiwei 14:40, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
- That's what I've been suggesting to Natalinasmpf. :D Hmib 16:37, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
- You can create the map yourself; but pls do it for the right reasons, not because of some misunderstood laws. We should Be bold when dealing with ambiguous and "everything-under-the-sky" Spore's regulations and protect our rights, as long as we act in good faith and are not communists. .. Honestly, I'm trying to defend myself, having just uploaded a wonderful tourist map of Sentosa. :-P. In any case, I volunteer to upload these controversial material, provided that it is fair dealing in my opinion, (copyrighted non-government photographs do not qualify). In the long run, we need a copyright-tag-template for SG-fair-dealing, to make our claims more convincing (packaging counts!). Vsion 21:58, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
- Wait, what's wrong with being communist? :p -- Natalinasmpf 02:59, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
- For one thing, the ISD deals with communists. I don't know exactly why, bad history maybe. Deep wound heals slowly. -- Vsion 13:53, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
- Well yeah, I should know, I got called up by them before, but what's wrong with being communist on Wikipedia? -- Natalinasmpf 14:02, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
- Oh... Then you should be safe, they don't normally let people go. Keep the Viva le Singapour in your user page, just in case. btw, it was very moving when I first saw it. :D -- Vsion 15:08, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
- Takes makes you the second person I know who got called up by them. The other person I know is a liberalist thou..haha! Anyway, I am thinking of using powerpoint to draw the map! Gonna create two..one to scale, and the other not. Anyone able to help with base maps?--Huaiwei 15:24, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
- Base maps? Well, I can help with any map, I guess. I suppose the one to scale will be drafted against the outline of Singapore? That would require some cartological research though. Also maybe we can start a Wikiproject for user made maps of the region lol. Maps of streets, the individual towns... Also, why don't you try GIMP? Also what did your friend get called up for? Mine was basically because I spoke way too much about the government on my blog. ;-) -- Natalinasmpf 17:24, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
- Oh yeah, I've no dealings with ISD, but MSD came and talked to me once. Now you reminded me of that interview; Man! I gotta be careful now. :p -- Vsion 04:46, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
- Holy cr@p, you guys aren't kidding are you? Called up by ISD? But you're still alive? Looks like ISD/Gestapo is more pervasive but less lethal than I thought... My classmate who ran the 'PAP!PAP!' blog got called up by MOE for speaking out too much... but never ISD. But I was a lot more outspoken/intelligent than he was, yet I never got into trouble? Must be because I do 'Heil Hitler's as well as 'communist' stuff. What is MSD, btw? -Hmib 05:17, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
- Looks like I'm not the only secondary-age student to get called up. Must be a trend abong Wikipedians. Careful? Why would I need to be careful? I the Wikipedian community to back me if anything should happen. :p -- Natalinasmpf 05:27, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
- I think it would be highly unlikely mere wikipedians would be able to help you. Clinton wasn't able to help Mike Fay, remember? -Hmib 21:04, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
- Wikipedia would be able to raise more hoo hah than Clinton ever could. -- Natalinasmpf 02:33, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
- Not unless Führer Lee reads wikipedia. -Hmib 03:30, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
Platform sides=
Stations on the East-West line have a shared platform in the center, which can be used to access both directions. Particularly in the elevated sections, you can see that the lines travel together between stations but split up for the center platform at a station. Dover, being built later than the rest of the line, is the only exception. Jpatokal 11:25, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- I have partially elaborated on this. I don't think I explained the "splitting up" though, I only mention they run on both sides of the platform island. -- Natalinasmpf 21:23, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
organization
The article is rather funny. Half the article's content is the MRT history, but contains very little on what the protocol, the tracks, the speed, the number of trains, what the trains are like, the daily experience of a commuter on the MRT...nothing on that? Surely someone should fix this? Rules and regulations on the MRT trains? -- Natalinasmpf 10:45, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
- Its waiting for you to do it! :D Haha...I wont have much time till tomorrow when I finish my last exam in my life, then I will be lanuching a major collaborative exercise to make it a feature article!--Huaiwei 10:48, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Images
I'm sure all of you have a camera somewhere and could snap some photos. I do too, and would do some of it when I can, but I don't want to be the only person to be doing it. I think if we could have some photos of the machines, the shops in the stations, maybe a crowd or two, more pictures inside the different trains (ie for the rolling stock section), then this could become FAC material. (Of course we still need more on the commuter experience, but I'm on the way to do that.) :D
- Haha...the thing is I am rather scared to do it. I am worried I will kana catch and questioned by the staff. And once, I was told not to take photos at the Changi Airport station. Grrrr....--Huaiwei 08:15, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
- Well, I've taken plenty of photos within the stations and trains before, just that the focal point was only my friends since well, I didn't think about contributing to Wikipedia till the end of last year. -- Natalinasmpf 08:23, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
- Maybe coz you are younger lah, so the ppl wont find it suspicious. I doubt they will be that kind to me! :D--Huaiwei 08:40, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
- Well, I've taken plenty of photos within the stations and trains before, just that the focal point was only my friends since well, I didn't think about contributing to Wikipedia till the end of last year. -- Natalinasmpf 08:23, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
Could we align some pictures to the left please, it looks more flowing and spread out that way. -- Natalinasmpf 11:17, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
- Nope. Formatting policies dictate that all pictures will be on the right. :D--Huaiwei 11:44, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
Slight problem here currently. Something funny happens with the four images on the right about the cars...the "edit" sections end up being skewed and tossed right into the middle of the section! -- Natalinasmpf 21:21, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
The LTA Digital Photography Contest
There is an on-going contest right now for transport related images, so take the chance to grap those shots (with a wonderful excuse) of the MRT before they stop us! :D
The LTA Digital Photography Contest--Huaiwei 17:55, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
Good. And there is currently no photo of the exterior of a MRT train in the article, except for a blur glimpse in the first picture. Does anyone have any such photos? I would like to use it also for Chewing gum ban in Singapore. thnks :D -- Vsion 22:11, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
- Shall we stick some gum on the door first before snapping the picture? :D Anyway I managed to snap a few pictures at Chinatown station, but believe me...it was harrowing. Dosent help that my camera is quite a monstrous presence, and as far as I see it, the pictures are certainly not competition material :D --Huaiwei 11:26, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
- If you do take some photos of the exterior, bring along some high speed exposure film, ie. to reduce the blur slightly but give it a motion effect. If you could show the view from an elevated position in the MRT down below (ie. Queenstown or something), then I could consider that quite good. Its not hard to be competition material, actually, just add a sense of signifance and flow, focal point, etc. ;-). I suppose you took photos of the fare gates, etc.? -- Natalinasmpf 14:55, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
- Gums at door not required, maybe on the tracks, especially at clementi. Btw, if you win the competition, the copyright goes to LTA, and this time no fairuse. It won't be much a dilemna though: take the $2,500, and treat all of us! :D -- Vsion 17:40, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
Copyright problems
Spotted some copyright problems with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MRT.JPG and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:MRT_3.JPG which this article uses. What should we do? Should we remove them immediately, or wait till we can find replacements (well do we have some time before we have to remove them because the photographer doesn't yet know about this article?)...? As in, keep them as placeholders for the time being and a benchmark of to replace with there next because it'd be a pity for the alignment otherwise. -- Natalinasmpf 22:01, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
- If you know for sure that the photographer did not release the photos for use here, the only right thing is to remove the photos first. The page can do without those images until replacements are found. Alex.tan 14:20, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
Cleaning Up
I have noticed the use of a Singlish word "irregardless" in the section about fares, but I have corrected that. But among other things, I would like to see a better photograph of the "C151" trains (which is small and grainy), as well as more photographs (particularly the exteriors of the trains). Also, I would prefer to see the bit of information on the LRT moved to Light Rapid Transit (Singapore), instead of being put here. This article, after all, is about the MRT system, and the MRT and LRT systems could be considered two distinct and different systems. A.K.R
- I actually I prefer to have the LRT considered a subset of the MRT. After all, you don't see LRT systems being interconnected with one another - they have to be done so through the MRT. Anyway, its either on the taxonomy that way. Anyway, it is true the page is getting rather lengthy, we actually might have to split it up. :D -- Natalinasmpf 17:18, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
- I agree with A.K.R, and actually, the current form is already a squished version of what was once overly detailed descriptions on the LRT. The LRT systems, although dependent on the MRT, should have the scope for their own discussions, and as Natalinasmpf says, this page alone is already getting too long. In fact, I have to point out the history section is not complete. It lacks any mention to the "MRT man", for example, other then Mr Ong TC. We may have to do the London Underground way in which the history section forms its own article. The MTR page has the rolling stock etc in seperate pages as well.--Huaiwei 19:02, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
'Irregardless' is not a Singlish word. I've heard at least one person who think Singapore is in China say 'irregardless'. :) -Hmib 03:32, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
collision at Clementi, 1993
collision between MRT trains at Clementi station on 5 Aug 1993, resulting in 150 injuries. The collision happened because a work train that did maintenance work earlier that morning had spilled some oil onto the tracks.
- I am very surprised by the above, what kind of oil was that! My impression, many years ago, was that the first train was delayed at Clementi station due to technical problem. The driver of 2nd train was probably sleeping, train went on auto-pilot and crashed into the first one. Otherwise, there should be ample time to notice the stationary train from afar and stop the train in time. sigh... Vsion 01:25, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
Summarisation
I think its time we reorganise the article a bit, lots of good photos and content, but as I'm looking for things to copyedit, I think we need to move some larger sections off to their own articles, so that it looks a bit neater, ie. the Rolling Stock part can be summarised, instead of detailing every car, that part can be its own article, and rather, cite them in the this main MRT article, but the details will be in their own article. Especially the history, and concerning the stations. I think this would be better. -- Natalinasmpf 03:36, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
- Lets wait abit more. I find the data collected still largely incomplete, and we can see how we shall copyedit it when we have a better impression of how much data we have further down the road? :D --Huaiwei 07:07, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
- Agreed. I'm waiting for Singapore to pass FAC, then I'll start working on this article! Gosh, I have my own information to add as well! Would it exceed 60kb? =P - Mailer Diablo 20:13, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)