Firstly, I think the redirect should have been to goth music, rather than gothic rock, since gothic rock is a subset of goth music. -- Birchtree
- OK. When I merge, I tend to remove the smallest article, rather than making complicated decisions about which title is better. Do as ye will. Martin
Essentially though, such an entry ends up as nothing more than an opinion poll as to which bands are considered to be gothic rock. My vote is for certain parts of this page to be subsumed into the Goth entry (since the movement and the music are extremely difficult to seperate), and both goth music and gothic rock to be set as a redirect to Goth. -- Birchtree
- Interestingly, I take the opposite approach: Large chunks of the Goth article should be moved to Gothic music or Gothic fashion, as appropriate.
- The music and the fashion and the philosophy are easy to seperate. The fashion aspects of Goth are what you wear. The music aspects of Goth are what you listen to. The philosophical aspects of Goth are what you think. Clearly there are strong links between these aspects, but equally they can be profitably examined individually as well. Martin
Well, my point is that if you are to say anything remotely meaningful about the rise of goth, you have to talk about its development as a music scene. The philosophy aspect is something I wouldn't want to touch with a barge-pole because then you really do get into a completely subjective debate about 'what it's all about'. The main thrust of the goth article was to avoid that pitfall and still be informative. -- Birchtree
- Well, one can take a holistic view of goth, or a reductionist view of goth. But they don't have to be mutually exclusive: we can have a holistic overview at goth, with more specific articles talking about goth from the perspective of fashion, music, and philosophy/lifestyle/... Martin
Taken from the article:
- the solos are more moody & intellectual than aggressive.
Can someone explain this statement? How can a solo be "intellectual"? FWIW, my observation on goth solos are they're generally simple melodies, normally similes of the chorus and less focused on "flashy" playing than hard rock solos. -- Jim Regan 01:32 10 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Silly point: since when were Jane's Addiction goth? I know you Do Things Differently in the United States, but not that much! -- Aleph
- They aren't, but I think whoever wrote that thought they had much in common. Feel free to remove them if you want. —Morven 18:02, 21 May 2004 (UTC)
more info just moved in
I just transfered a bunch of information concerning gothic music from the Goth page to this one, since it is more appropriate here. I am kinda burned out from editing the Goth page, so the info here may still look a bit choppy or half assed. Anyone should feel free to clean it up. If not, I may do it slowly over the next few days or weeks. Grice 11:41, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Miscelaneous
Front 242 is EBM. --vininim 20:43, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
90's Goth
I'm an ex-goth scenester who was pretty involved in the scene in the 90's, and I saw that there's a lot missing about 90's goth in the article, such as mentions of bands like Switchblade Symphony, Sunshine Blind, Bella Morte, the Cruxshadows, Rosetta Stone, etc. These bands were sort of a bridge between the Sisters of Mercy and the modern EBM that everyone's listening to now - electronic, yet still gothy.