Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBTQ+ studies/Noticeboard
This is the LGBT notice board, for Wikipedians interested in articles related to Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender topics.
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Be sure to post any issues/concerns that you become aware of.
- Note: This page is for lists and summaries. Please have discussions on other pages, and be sure to add a link and description on this page.
Action items
- Note: Please add new entries to the top of each list.
- Since the issues come up fairly often at CFD, with sometimes wildly different decision, there is now a discussion going on at Wikipedia:Categorization/Gender, race and sexuality
- Rename Category:Queer Wikipedians to Category:LGBT Wikipedians; delete Category:Bisexual Wikipedians (Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_August_18#LGBT_Wikipedians)
- Category:Gay superheroes (CfD log, 2005 August 9)
- Category:Limitations on freedom of speech (CfD log, 2005 August 14) - one man's political opinion on Egale Canada
- Category:Gay icons (CfD log 2005 August 26) — already back for another kick at the can, more or less on "I didn't get the answer I wanted, so I'll just try again" grounds
Article votes for deletion (current)
- Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/List of gay icons
- Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Homosexuality and sexual child abuse and Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Pedophilia and sexual orientation although the intention seems to be a merge
- Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Term for gay in different languages
- Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedians for Decency
Articles with disputes
- Reparative therapy anonymous user edit warring, attempting to include dubious evidence using biased sources that the decision to remove homosexuality from the DSM was due to "intimidation". Anonymous user is also editing the Homosexuality article with his anti-gay POV.
- Talk:Transsexual#critical perspective? somebody who claims "transexualism to be one of the most horribly perverse and ludicrous ideas in the world" complains that the article is too "fanboyish"
- Gwen Araujo revert war about whether her murderers detected "that Gwen was in fact a pre-operative transsexual woman" or "that Gwen had male genitalia"
- Genderqueer and genderfuck have a POV warrior who really does not like the concepts.
- The Fred Phelps of Wikipedia (or is he the "homophobia denialist"?) has once again turned his attentions to things gay. Have a look at his contributions and see if you can undo some of the damage.
- Transgender Repeated anon attempt to make up a dichotomy that just doesn't exist; namely, that there are two contradicory definions, one by some "transsexuals" who tried to "hijack" the term or something.
- AIDS in the United States Uncle Ed has "worked" on that one and removed quite a bit of content.
- Ciara Usual removal of the TG/IS bit; a few more eyes to spot that would be nice, but no big business there.
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedians for Decency - attempt at censoring Wikipedia. ~~~~ ( ! | ? | * ) 11:17, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
- Heather Stilwell, User:Gcapp1959 is opposed to the inclusion of this page on LGBT rights opposition category, yet goes on and on about Stilwell's opposition to LGBT rights on the talk page--BillC38 05:35, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
- Talk:List of famous gay, lesbian or bisexual people, controversy as to whether to add Julius Caesar and Sigmund Freud
- User:Paul August suggests that Caesar denied his relation with King Nicomedes but is unable to find a citation for this claim
- User:Willmcw suggests that Freud may not have believed in his own theories that all humans are at least somewhat bisexual and even if he did he would need a corresponding sex act to be listed
- I suggest that they both be added unless someone can provide evidence that Caesar denied his relation with Nicomedes and that Freud did not believe in his own theories.
- More broadly I reject Willmcw's assertion that you must partake in a sex act to be listed. This is incorrect. The dictionary defines sexual orientation by attractions not sex acts. Otherwise if a heterosexual was raped by a homosexual the heterosexual would now be bisexual for merely being raped.
- Mashhad Article about Iranian city is subject to a concerted cover-up campaign by users of Iranian background invested in suppressing information on recent executions of Arab boys for making love. Haiduc 10:58, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
- Barebacking --- dispute over the actual meaning of the term: does it refer mainly to unprotected anal sex among gay men, or does it mean any for of unprotected sexual activity among people of any gender? Exploding Boy 21:22, August 3, 2005 (UTC)
- Update: dispute continues, with only one outside comment thus far despite listing here and on RFC. Exploding Boy 23:37, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
- I think this is mostly settled now, that both meanings are in use. -- Beland 06:19, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
- Update: dispute continues, with only one outside comment thus far despite listing here and on RFC. Exploding Boy 23:37, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
- Heteronormativity User:Uthar Wynn 01 attached the NPOV tag. Problem is, s/he seems to be complaining about what heteronormativity is rather than what the article says about it. Seth Mahoney 14:54, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
Also, edit war about a rewrite that was below par. AlexR 05:00, 24 July 2005 (UTC) - Anti-gay slogan User:Sam Spade has attached the NPOV tag to the article, claiming it represents a pro-gay POV. Seth Mahoney 01:00, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
- Update: Sam now wants to use references from the Family Research Council and Fathers for ... something or other (I keep forgetting), two notoriously anti-gay organizations. Exploding Boy 03:54, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
- Homosexuality Haiduc 03:43, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
- Paraphilia over the definition of transvestic fetishism AlexR 04:20, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
- Batman Anon deletes academic discussion of history of homoerotic interpretations of Batman and Robin, and no one bothers to revert it, as though it was dirt. Here is the entry on the deletion: 15:38, 17 Jun 2005 206.201.180.226 (Removed homosexual stuff) I do not want to get into a revert war with this bigot, I hope some people here will pay some attention to this. Haiduc 01:31, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I actually am very interested in this sort of interpretation of comic art. I just don't have Batman on my watch list. Thanks for pointing it out. -Seth Mahoney 02:47, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)
- Articulate editor newly re-deletes Batman panel with homoerotic overtones. His reason? "The panel is fcuking stupid. It should not be in here." Haiduc 01:12, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
- Gay Batman in the news: DC Comics files cease and desist order - Outerlimits 04:26, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
- Homosexuality and Christianity
- Gender, particularly [1]; User:Njyoder made some rather sweeping edits, and he isn't known for accepting other people's opinion.
- The Intimate World of Abraham Lincoln (previously titled Sexuality of Abraham Lincoln; POV, weasel phrases, title and article's existence are disputed
- Eli Siegel founder of Aesthetic Realism which promised to "cure" homosexuality. Several supporters of Siegel, or perhaps one supporter from a dynamic IP, persistantly revert the Siegel article to a puff piece and remove any critical info or sources.
- Patpong and Nana Plaza: use of the phrase "kathoeys (transwomen) instead of, or in addition to, women", See discussion at Wikipedia talk:LGBT notice board#Kathoey
- List of transgendered people an AOL editor with a past history of vandalism has been systematically removing three "Catholic" entries on the list over the last few months, by covering over the edits with other edits in the article. The individual has now reverted to the old tactic of strategically placing internal notes within the article to hide the three entries from public viewing.
- Anti-gay slogan - User:Thomas Aquinas believes the article is biased against people opposed to same-sex sex.
Requests for comment
- Biology and sexual orientation & Choice and sexual orientation, both articles are poorly written and hardly readable. Could use some contributions, a possible source could be this week's eleven page Boston Globe article, "What makes people gay?". I recently renamed the two from "environment, choice, and sexual orientation" to "choice and sexual orientation" and "genetics and sexual orientation" to "biology and sexual orientation". Clearly the prenatal hormonal theories (which contradict the choice crowd) do not belong on the same page, the genetics and hormones are more appropriately pasted together under the umbrella of biology. I also suggest that all contributions from this point forward be required to have footnote citation similar to that seen on intelligent design. This would do wonders to improve transparency and accountability as well as provide a deterrent against original research.
- Category talk:Homosexuality in Singapore vs. Category talk:Sexual minorities in Singapore - Yep, this old debate again. The category was moved to the latter title this morning. I've posted to the user's talk page (User talk:Groyn88) to ask for clarification.
- Image:TGirlsMoviePoster.png and the only article that still uses it, pornography, over the caption of the pic - "ladies" versus transwomen, currently. Problem user is most likely the same person who is engaged in that mindless picture-throwing recently.
- Anal sex -- a user wants to include a lot of irrelevant, poorly written, unnecessary information, some of it speculative. Exploding Boy 19:38, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
- Bareback -- disagreement over the meaning of the term. One user insists that bareback applies to any form of unprotected sex between persons of either gender; I disagree. Bareback is a term that originated and still refers to unprotected anal sex between men. Exploding Boy 19:47, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
- Talk:Clay Aiken - Heated discussion in process about a) whether or not to include a paragraph stating some people think Clay may be gay and b) whether or not to include a link to what may be a website with questionable content. 7 July 2005 16:26 (UTC)
- Now there's a revert war in process over that link in the article. Please help. 8 July 2005 20:45 (UTC)
- Talk:Natalie Wood — one editor has added references to Wood's friendships with gay men, backed up by a citation. Another editor insists on excluding it as "gossip". -- 5 July 2005 11:07 (UTC)
- Another take on the problem might read: One anon editor has added references to Wood's friendships with gay men, backed up by a citation. Another editor insists on excluding it as a disingenious and misleading effort by the anon to ultimately support an assertion in the Elvis Presley article that Presley was gay. 5 July 2005 11:41 (UTC)
- Talk:KJ, Talk:Jamie Denton - are their inclusions in Category:Gay icons (and Category:Sex symbols) verifiable, NPOV and encyclopedic? Samaritan 02:22, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- talk:International Lesbian and Gay Association. Editorial consensus is needed on how to handle the previous membership in the ILGA of NAMBLA and other pedophile groups. Currently, about 2/3 of the article is devoted to these groups which were expelled in 1994, with very little attention given the the bulk of members or the aims of the ILGA. A better balance should be possible. -Willmcw 23:35, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
- ILGA (talk) I'd like to bump this up. Ongoing dispute related to alleged links between pedophile groups and the gay rights groups that founded the ILGA. User:Lmno continues to add poorly sourced content into the article that would, IMHO, seem to be original research and NPOV - a non-significant minority viewpoint on the evidence. Any comments that would help resolve the impasse would be gratefully received. Axon 21:43, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
- "Around the world" articles: I am currently merging the tables in Gay rights around the world into the table at Homosexuality laws of the world. But there are a slew of "Gay Rights in Foo" articles to link. I'm reluctant to do so until the names are fixed. We certainly need to lowercase "Rights", but I'm wondering if "gay rights" is the right name. Thoughts? Contributions to individual country articles are also very welcome. They were written by an anonymous IP who is not a native English speaker. Most or all of them are also listed in Category:LGBT stubs. -- Beland 06:33, 21 May 2005 (UTC) See discussion at Wikipedia talk:LGBT notice board#Naming of country articles
- Talk:Transsexual, particularly "Requirements Changes", for those interested, also the "treatment" topic. Nick proposes writing parts of the article in a way that I fear violates NPOV (although in other texts I have done pretty much the same thing - only those were political documents, not WP articles). Would like a comment before I edit the text again; if more people agree with Nick, then me edting won't be necessary. -- AlexR 11:26, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
- Categories for deletion/Supercategories and Subcategories - slightly off-topic, a proposal to change how entries are added to multiple categories. I believe this may address the problem underlying the LGBT category controversy. -- Samuel Wantman 19:53, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
- Talk:David Dreier (scroll down a bit, and it's a lot of reading) if you wish to see an experience of consensus that I found worthwhile. If anyone wants to fine tune the David Dreier article further, thinks it doesn't report on the situation of the 2004 election accurately, or still has comments, they would be very welcome: probably best on that article's talk page. Moncrief 19:33, May 8, 2005 (UTC)
- Talk:Set (mythology) should Set (Egyptian god) be described as "gay" or as "homosexual", and should Ash (Egypto-Libyan god) be described as Set's "boyfriend" or "partner" ? ~~~~ 14:45, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
- The Bible and homosexuality numerous issues, including "us" vs. "them" layout. ~~~~ 08:28, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
Templates for deletion
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Requested moves
Ongoing discussions
- Note: Please link to discussions on other pages. You can start discussions on the talk page.
- Template:Sexual orientation and Template talk:Sexual orientation - besides problems mentioned with the content on the talk page, so far nobody questioned whether this is all that useful in the first place. More comments would be useful.
- What is the correct name? is it LGBT or something else:
- Wikipedia:LGBT notice board/Archive 1#LGBT, queer and definition - about topic names in Wikipedia
- Talk:LGBT - older discussion about topic names in Wikipedia.
- Talk:LGBT#Transgender or Transgendered Which is preferred?
- The ethics of outing on Wikipedia.
- Talk:Oscar Wilde - controversy as to whether to describe Wilde as "gay" or "homosexual."
- Wikipedia:LGBT notice board/Archive 1#Mergers and renames - proposed article renames and mergers.
- Wikipedia talk:LGBT notice board#Categorization of articles proper categorization of LGBT articles
- It hasn't been requested yet, but there's a suggestion that Category:LGBT rights opposition be changed to Category:LGBT political issues, which I fully support, though it does leave certain figures like Fred Phelps without any appropriate category.
Recent decisions
Category for deletion votes
- Category:Minor Singapore LGBT articles (CfD log 2005 August 1) — The result was merge with Category:Homosexuality in Singapore
- Category:Gay icons (CfD log 2005 July 29) — The result was no consensus (keep)
- Category:LGBT identities vs. Category:Sexual orientation and identity (CfD log 2005 July 26) — The result was no consensus (keep)
- Category:AIDS victims (CfD log 2005 July 25) — The result was No consensus (keep) even though most people did not like the name of the category. Renamed to Category:AIDS-related deaths by User:Bearcat; see discussion here.
- Category:Anti-gay rights legislation (CfD log 2005 June 19) - The result was to rename as Category:LGBT-related legislation
- Category:LGBT rights opposition (CfD log 2005 June 19) - The result was no consensus (keep)
- Category:LGBT Ancient Greeks (CfD log 2005 June 14) - The result was delete
- Category:Homosexual philosophers (CfD log 2005 June 14) - The result was no consensus (keep)
- Category:Philosophers by sexuality and gender (CfD log 2005 June 14) - The result was delete
- Category:Bisexual philosophers (CfD log 2005 June 14) - The result was delete
- Rename Category:Gay, lesbian or bisexual people to Category:Gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender people CfD 2005 May 4 - The result of the vote was rename.
- Reinstate all deleted subcategories of Category:LGBT CfD 2005 May 7 - The categories had been deleted after a debate without most of the people who worked on creating and populating the categories. - The result of the vote was reinstate all.
Article votes for deletion
See also archives: 2005
- Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Lesbian literature (closed August 11, 2005) — result was keep, by virtue of no consensus.
- Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Leviticus 18 (closed August 9, 2005) — result was keep.
- Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/The Bible and homosexuality (closed August 6, 2005) — result was keep, by virtue of no consensus.
- Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Queerteachers (closed August 4, 2005) — result was delete.
- Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Lgbtq (closed July 31, 2005) — result was delete and redirect to LGBT.
- Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Gay cruising grounds in Britain (closed July 25, 2005) — result was keep.
- Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Beard (female companion) (13 July 2005) - result was keep.
- Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Innate bisexuality (7 July 2005) - result was keep.
- Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Duressed bi-curiosity (7 July 2005) - result was delete.
- Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/One National Gay & Lesbian Archives (4 July 2005) - result was keep.
- Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Reduced Gene Pool Argument (July 2, 2005) - result was delete.
- Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Either Or Argument (July 2, 2005) - result was delete.
- Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property (1 July 2005) - result was keep.
Templates for deletion
- Template:Sexual orientation: No consensus to delete (ergo keep): [2]
Resolved disputes
Recent articles
August 2005
- The Cairo 52 Exploding Boy 17:02, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
- Mahmoud Asgari and Ayaz Marhoni Exploding Boy 03:44, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
- Male prostitute --NYArtsnWords 19:06, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
July 2005
- Sexual orientation recently rewritten. -- Beland 13:29, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
- The Celluloid Closet
June 2005
- Stephen Spender's sexuality (proposed merger with Stephen Spender
- Capital Gay
May 2005
- Tellak
- Kocek
- Straight acting
- Guerilla Gay Bar
- Baccha
- Should this one be listed among the Transgender in non-western cultures as well, like Kocek? AlexR
- I think so, though what is not quite clear to me is to what extent the boys were naturally transgendered, versus adopting the transgender role as a professional accomodation. Haiduc 03:35, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
Articles needing work
Stubs can be found at Category:LGBT stubs.
- White Night Riots - expansion requested since May, 2004. -- Beland 07:08, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
- Jonathan Ned Katz - I just created this article. It could probably use a copyedit, and I don't have my copy of The Invention of Heterosexuality handy, so if someone does, it might be useful to check my summary. Also, some info on his other works would be nice, too. -Seth Mahoney 20:28, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
- Euan Sutherland — I just created this article, as I was surprised it didn't exist, but I have work in the morning and it's now 1am, so I don't have time to research the article properly (and my memory of the mid-1990s isn't that great) — OwenBlacker 00:03, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
- Gay has suffered from bizarre and rambling edits and needs serious work to improve the article.
- David and Jonathan is extensive, and David, but Jonathan is a stub/disambig
- Two-Spirit was either previously Berdache or merged with it or something - the article still can't decided what term it is about. Fixed at least first paragraph, but still not good. Maybe somebody with personal knowledge can help out here. -- AlexR 12:36, 14 May 2005 (UTC) (discussion here)
- LGBT literature - rough ouline of the subject, needs a great deal of work.Ganymead 06:08, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
- Legal recognition of same-sex couples in the United States
- Societal attitudes towards homosexuality
- Sexual orientation and military service - I just created it. -- Beland 02:25, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
- Pedophilia and homosexuality
- Pedophilia and sexual orientation
Mergers
- Same-sex attraction -> Terminology of homosexuality. Discussion here
- Pseudo-homosexuality -> Situational sexual behavior. Discussion here. (11 June 2005)
- Anti-gay slogan -> Merge with Societal attitudes towards homosexuality, keeping the list of accusations whole, at the request of Haiduc
Done
- Crystal and sex. I just started this article and have a lot more to add. Exploding Boy 21:28, May 17, 2005 (UTC)
- I think the title "Crystal meth and sex" would be clearer and more precise for the above. Moncrief 07:25, May 21, 2005 (UTC)
- See discussion of page moves on Talk:Crystal and sex.
Religion and heterosexuality -> Merge with Religion and sexual orientation and Religion and sexuality.(done)Religion and homosexuality -> Merge with Religion and sexual orientation(done)Sexual morality -> Move to Religion and sexuality, which is a much more self-descriptive title.(done)Pejorative terms for failed gender roles -> Gender role(done)
Missing articles
- Gay and lesbian history
- Gay fiction
- Gay film
- Gay literature
- Lesbian fiction
- Lesbian film
- Lesbian literature
- LGBT film
- for discussion on the above topics, see Wikipedia talk:LGBT notice board#Missing Articles
Missing Categories
Active Wikipedians interested in LGBT issues
- Adam
- AlexR
- Ambi
- Arcuras
- Axon
- Bastique
- Bearcat
- Beland
- Bluegreen
- CDThieme
- Darkcore
- David
- Dave
- Essjay
- Exploding Boy
- FCYTravis
- Francs2000
- Ganymead
- Ground Zero
- Guanaco
- Haiduc
- Haunti
- horseboy
- Hyacinth
- Jonathunder
- Julien Deveraux
- Krugs
- Lyo
- Megan1967
- MichaelCaricofe
- Mike H
- MikeX
- Moncrief
- Montréalais
- OwenBlacker
- Pacian
- Romeo Bravo =/\=
- Samaritan
- Samuel Wantman
- Seth Mahoney
- Skud
- Spinboy
- Tobyox
- TreyHarris
- Veratien