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To-Do List

  Pending tasks for WikiProject Comics:

edit this list - add to watchlist

Move

Latest comment: 19 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I've moved the to do list off this talk page to the actual to do page, and cut out all the stuff that is done. I've also moved all comment on the to do page to this talk page. I figure that makes it easier to see what is left to do. Hiding talk 17:08, 12 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

Old to do list

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  1. Attract more members!
    1. Develop a project template to go at the top of talk pages, like template:philosophy, to build awareness. DONE
  2. Settle on a hierarchy for the "big" pages like comics, comic book, graphic novel, sequential art (my instinct is to merge and redirect this to comics), underground comics and alternative comics (merge these two? restructure?), etc.
  3. Develop a "template" for comics articles. This would replace the "related articles" section.
  4. Select an "exemplar" article for various categories (character, creator, etc.), upon which we should model every other article of that category.
  5. Fill out everything in Category:Comics stubs
    • Figure out how to link to a category page, instead of using [[Category:Foo]] which means "Add this page to Category:Foo" :
  6. Develop templates for:
    1. Comics publisher articles
      • Hmmm. I have been creating/editing/updating/fixing many comic publisher pages, mainly smaller, now defunct ones. I've tried to include history (who established, when, when they went under), what characters they published (especially if they were superheroes), what titles they published (including number of issues and year of publication). Others have included company logo(s), which I think is good. I've also tried to incorporate links to other sites, especially Toonopedia &/or International Superheroes. If there seems to be major fan sites, I'll add those in as well. --Emb021 19:11, 15 February 2006 (UTC)Reply
    2. Comic-book series articles (Template:ComicBookBox)
      • What about start indexing series? The content of every issue can be added at the bottom of the article. Covers could be added too.--andresin 17:01, 11 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
        • I think this would be a bit overkill, especially when you start adding in cover images. Think about series like Batman with 600-700 issues. I think the index is something that maybe could exsist on an entirely seperate ComicsOnly Wiki, but for these purposes it would just be too much. --AjaxSerix 19:28, 11 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
          • I see your point. What about a separated article (ie. Detective_Comics:Index)? I really like the idea of getting information about every comic (or book, or CD, DVD...) from the Wikipedia, like a free (in the whole sense of the world) culture catalog. Each issue could be connected with evey author's article, or characters's article...--andresin 09:28, 12 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
            • I guess I have nothing against it personally and in fact would be willing to work on a couple series myself. It does seem however to go against a number of comments about this sort of thin elsewhere. I think It might be better to run the index with short summaries and crestor details, but only put cover images on "key" issues. Might make the articles less clunky. I mean there are articles listing every single discovered asteroid so why not each issue of Batman. --AjaxSerix 21:17, 12 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
    3. Comic-book characters (Template:Superherobox)
    4. Comic-book teams (Template:Superteambox)
    5. Comic-book artifacts
    6. Other?
  7. Start a comics collaboration of the week.
  8. Make a wiki on WikiCities for comics. See proposal.
  9. Make a Comic Book Category Portal see Culture Portal
  10. Fix the Kyle Rayner article.

Comic Portal

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Make a Comic Book Category Portal see Culture Portal

Supporting character and Non-superhero comic book character infoboxes

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Supporting characters (Template:Supersupportingbox) Non-superhero comic book characters

  • Aren't the last two above one and the same? Hiding talk 23:05, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

Wasn't that Marvel comic called Damage Control? Phil Kent 22:22 11 November 2005 EST

Indexing series

Latest comment: 19 years ago5 comments3 people in discussion
  • What about start indexing series? The content of every issue can be added at the bottom of the article. Covers could be added too.--andresin 17:01, 11 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
    • I think this would be a bit overkill, especially when you start adding in cover images. Think about series like Batman with 600-700 issues. I think the index is something that maybe could exsist on an entirely seperate ComicsOnly Wiki, but for these purposes it would just be too much. --AjaxSerix 19:28, 11 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
      • I see your point. What about a separated article (ie. Detective_Comics:Index)? I really like the idea of getting information about every comic (or book, or CD, DVD...) from the Wikipedia, like a free (in the whole sense of the world) culture catalog. Each issue could be connected with evey author's article, or characters's article...--andresin 09:28, 12 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
        • I guess I have nothing against it personally and in fact would be willing to work on a couple series myself. It does seem however to go against a number of comments about this sort of thin elsewhere. I think It might be better to run the index with short summaries and crestor details, but only put cover images on "key" issues. Might make the articles less clunky. I mean there are articles listing every single discovered asteroid so why not each issue of Batman. --AjaxSerix 21:17, 12 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

Is this still be used?

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I don't see this being used or talked about? What's up?--Chris Griswold 09:05, 11 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

I was personally about to deprecate it, we tend to use the task template now. There's not a huge amount left to do on it now, the templates left to be created we sort of can't agree on, and the stubs always need expanding. Hiding Talk 13:35, 11 July 2006 (UTC)Reply

To-do

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Anyone else think that {{comicsproj}} should be edited to be more along the lines of {{WikiProject Formula One}}? Yeah, I know we've got a To-Do list, but it's too much "grand scheme" and too little "fix this mess". - SoM 18:46, 15 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

It's not a bad idea, we should start unifying our efforts a bit better. Although the to do list really only has a couple of things left to get done, doesn't it? We need exemplars, the rest is pretty much done isn't it? Steve block talk 08:33, 16 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
Here's the requested articles:

A: Australian comics artists - B: Bernard Krigstein - Black Bat (Nedor Comics) - C: D: Deathmate - Destroyer Duck - F: Freff - Fatman the Human Flying Saucer - G: Gerard Jones - H: Hilda Terry - Hong Kong Comics - I: It Ain't Me Babe Comix - J: Jon Sable, Freelance - L: L. B. Cole - Lynn Varley - M: Manhattan Guardian - Mike Vosburg - Miss Fury - P: R: Red Skeleton - Rex Libris - S: Sandy Plunkett - Sheldon Mayer - Stanley and His Monster - T: Teena & Dorcas Good - Terminal City - Terri Boyce - Totleben, John - Trouble with Girls - V: Vittorio Giardino - W: X: Xenozoic Tales Steve block talk 21:57, 20 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

Right, taken a random selection from the above for the article requests section and linked the rest as "more". And if the copyedits get done, look here for more, but I'm not linking that directly. - SoM 22:10, 20 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

  • I've added a whole bunch of requests there (just things I've noticed while reading and/or editing comics-related articles) - go look. Fastbak77 06:38, September 1, 2005 (UTC)


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 This page is within the scope of WikiProject Comics, a collaborative effort to build an encyclopedic guide to comics on Wikipedia. Get involved! If you would like to participate, you can help with the current tasks, visit the notice board, edit the attached article or discuss it at the project's talk page.ComicsWikipedia:WikiProject ComicsTemplate:WikiProject ComicsComics
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Looks good. Now I'm off to bed. Steve block talk 22:14, 20 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
  • Somebody actually wanted a "Deathmate" page? Eh, I got nothing better to do, I can tackle it..--Toquinha 20:11, 22 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
  • Okay, a rough version is put up, subject to mucho revisions (not the best piece of writing I've ever come up with, I'll admit). As it is, those books are extremely hard to follow. I'll be putting up links to some criticisms of the Deathmate miniseries in the near future. --Toquinha 20:29, 24 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
Heh, that was me. Can't remember the context it came up in (probably while scanning the Jim Lee or Rob Liefeld entries), but it seemed like a good idea at the time. ;) Fastbak77 06:38, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

Images

Latest comment: 19 years ago44 comments6 people in discussion

OHOTMU scans

I'm noticing an increasing number of scans of the "model sheet" pics from the various Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe editions. Anyone got any idea how these fall copyright-wise? - SoM 20:28, 23 July 2005 (UTC)Reply

I dont know about their copywright status but whoever is uploadding them keeps spelling Keith Pollard (the artist who drew them all)'s name as "Kieth Pollard", and also not wikilinking it. If anyone is editing an article which has one of them could they fix this? Hueysheridan 00:22, 27 July 2005 (UTC)Reply
What's the resolution on them? If they're being scanned under fair use I read somewhere we're supposed to keep the resolution low. I'm not up on what the model sheets are, but given OHOTMU is something akin to an encyclopedia, I'd err on the side of calling them copy vio's. However, I am not a lawyer. Steve block talk 21:07, July 31, 2005 (UTC)
Model sheet's an animation term - it's the pictures distributed to all the animators to keep the character's looks consistant. The OHOTMU pics I'm referring to are the ones that show the characters in straight-on frontal shots, specifically drawn for the HBs, and, unlike panels or even pages of "normal" comics, are basically complete unto themselves and done specifically for - as you say - an encyclopedia-style publication. Since most of the characters could be covered by... umm... covers or panel scans which aren't from something in direct "competition" with WP (and they're going to be releasing TPBs of the old HBs), I don't like using them. - SoM 21:41, 31 July 2005 (UTC)Reply
I'm with you, there's other images which can be used, so they should be used. Unless Marvel are contacted and permission is given, I believe we should not use OHOTMU images. Steve block talk 23:28, July 31, 2005 (UTC)

Ra's al Ghul image

Take a look at Image:Rasalghul.jpg, guys. It has information on what website it came from, but not the ultimate source of this image. I'm really well-read on Ra's (wrote most of the article), and I still don't recognize this cover, if it even is a cover. Does anyone know, to help clarify if this is really fair use or not? The uploader has had a past history of uploading images that violate copyright. It should be noted that the image uses capitalization that is inconsistent with DC Comics's more recent capitalization of Ra's al Ghul. —Lowellian (reply) 12:02, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

It looks like it's from the Who's Who edition that was hole punched for ring binders and came out in the early nineties. We've discussed OHOTMU scans here and me and SoM felt they violated fair use since they are developed for an encyclopedic product and therefore use here infringes that purpose. However IANAL. Steve block talk 12:30, 18 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
And I have to say that I agree. OHOTMU and Who's Who feature specific images that illustrate the concept on a broad manner. It would be like copying from another encyclopedia. Personally, I'd rather use a cover image (inside pages tend to be less clear, sometimes). I wish we could use microheroes], though, they're really nice. --Pc13 15:07, 18 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
Here I think I found a good cover. It's from one of Ra's first appearances. Unfortunately the traditional green robe is missing, but it's him kicking the crap out of Batman. [1] Toffile 18:25, 18 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
Well, if this was from Who's Who then I definitely don't think this is fair use. The article should use User:Toffile's image, and this Ra's image by User:DrBat should be removed and deleted. —Lowellian (reply) 20:20, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Fair use templates

Re: PC13's comment above... there's actually a bit of a problem there at present. WikiProject Fair use have just rewritten the {{comiccover}} template, and, IMO, they've been a bit... overspecific...:

This image is of the cover of a single issue of a comic book, and the copyright for it is most likely owned by either the publisher of the comic book or the artist(s) which produced the comic book in question. It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of covers of individual issues of comic books to illustrate the issue of the comic book in question on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law. Any other uses of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement. See Copyrights for more information.

I've complained at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fair use#Re:_.7B.7BComiccover.7D.7D, but unless we get that rewritten to allow for use as generic shots (which I 'really can't see the problem with), rather than solely issue-specific stuff (and really, are we ever going to see an "Omega the Unknown #3" article that won't immediately be VfDed?), we have a problem. - SoM 20:09, 18 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

Out of curiousity, which tag do we use for internal panels? Steve block talk 20:52, 18 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
While a specific tag has been "on the tab" for a while, right now it's just {{fairuse}} - SoM 20:58, 18 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
Here's an attempt at one:
This image is a single panel from the interior of a single issue of a comic book and the copyright for it is most likely owned by either the publisher of the comic book or the writer(s) and/or artist(s) which produced the comic book in question. It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of a single panel from an interior page of an individual comic book to illustrate:
  • the issue of the comic book in question;
  • the periodical comic book series of which this issue is a part;
  • the copyrighted comic book character(s) or group(s) depicted on the excerpted page of the issue in question;
  • the storyline depicted;
on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, qualifies as fair use under United States copyright law. Any other uses of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement. See Copyrights for more information.

I was thinking of putting it at Template:Comicinterior. Do I have to get permission anywhere, or can we just create them? Steve block talk 21:50, 20 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

Don't need to get permission, although giving the FU project a heads-up would probably be a good idea.
As for the rest, on reflection, I think we need to seperate out single images from a sequence of panels. A single panel or less (especially where it's either without dialogue or the dialogue has been cut, Handbook etc pics excepted) could probably support all your examples, while a sequence may need to be drawn somewhat more tightly, to cover only very important character information, etc, where a cover or single panel wouldn't serve the same purpose. - SoM 22:20, 20 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
Changed it above. Okay? Steve block talk 22:21, 20 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
"Scene" (or similar) rather than issue, maybe, and probably take out "the series of which" bullet point. And {{Comicpanel}} now probably. That's about it tho, beyond the obvious category to add :) - SoM 22:43, 20 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

I've created a somewhat shorter version at Template:Comicpanel, since using a panel to depict a series seems... excessive (a character/group less so, since it's entirely possible to go through a whole series without a clear shot of them on the cover...). Are you okay with it? (if you are, I'll take it to the FU project before use). The category name's a redlink because I'm not 100% on the name of it - SoM 16:45, 21 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

Looks fine to me, go for it. Also, I had a few thoughts on comic cover which I've brought up at the FU project about them being used to illustrate the publisher and/or the artists article as an example of their work. We might want to add that to this, not sure. Steve block talk 19:41, 21 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

See {{Comicscene}} for multi-panel sequences. - SoM 17:10, 22 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

I tweaked the {{Comicscene}} text to sequence of panels, I think that's what you meant? :) Steve block talk 18:34, 22 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
Ah... yeah :) - SoM 18:59, 22 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
When can we start using these? Is it just a question of going through the fair use tag anr recatting? If so I'm up for that. Steve block talk 18:34, 22 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
Giving the FU project a couple of days to object would probably be a good idea, but essentially, yeah.
Of course, I expect that at least some will have to go to {{no source}} if they don't give where they got the image from (both in terms of issue no, and who did the scan); or straight to {{ifd}} in the case of any orphaned images, 300dpi scans etc (I'm taking "low-res" to be ~72dpi, maybe a bit more generous when the original image was very small, as a compromise between legibility and "you can't print it out"). - SoM 18:59, 22 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
Okay. Could we not just fix the hi-res scans rather than delete them? As in converting them to low res and uploading over the top of the hi res one. Steve block talk 19:27, 22 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
...yeah. I need to watch my deletionism :) - SoM 19:39, 22 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

Okay, I see no objection on any level to {{Comicpanel}} or {{Comicscene}} @ WP:WPFU, so I'm going to make a start on tagging them. Given the sheer number (combined with my limited net time right now) though, this will take a while, so help would be mucho appriciated (bearing in mind that you shouldn't just retag without checking that it's not excessively high-res and that it sources both the comic the panel(s) come from and the place the scan came from, even if the uploader scanned it themself aren't all okay).

Also, Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe or Who's Who in the DC Universe pictures should be listed below, and NOT tagged with either {{Comicpanel}} or {{Comicscene}} - SoM 22:04, 25 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

Artist style

I repost my question: Another important reason to have single- or multiple-panel for a comic book is to depict the artist style (like in Paul Grist, eg). Does it worth being mentionned in both templates ? Lvr 10:01, 6 September 2005 (UTC) Lvr 09:29, 1 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

To be honest, I don't know. The best place to ask would be WikiProject Fair use. I've copied your question there. Hope that helps. Steve block talk 18:04, 6 September 2005 (UTC)Reply
They replied that yeah, it's fair use and we can amend the tags. Steve block talk 17:03, 7 September 2005 (UTC)Reply
Y'know, I think you rely on Fastfission too much :)
I'm not the one who set myself up as an expert on Fair Use. Just making full use of available resources. ;) Steve block talk 18:08, 7 September 2005 (UTC)Reply
Remember that we're meant to use the "most free" image possible to illustrate a purpose. Now, with trademarked and copyrighted characters there is no free image. But at least the possibilty exists with artist style, so I'd be hesistant to add it. - SoM 17:27, 7 September 2005 (UTC)Reply
I'm not sure I can see where we'd get a free image to illustrate an artist's style from. Wouldn't any sketches they do still have copyright attached to them depending on the character(s) drawn? And does the artist retain copyright when doing sketches? Or are you thinking of something I've overlooked? Steve block talk 18:08, 7 September 2005 (UTC)Reply
SoM: I believe that the best way to illustrate a comics artist's style is clearly comics panel, where you can feel the rythme, the composition, ... of this artist; all what make comics different from simple drawing or even illustration. Sketches won't do it ! But is it is not faire use... :-(
Actually, I put such panels in many pages I'v contributed to: Paul Grist, Jiro Taniguchi, Miguelanxo Prado, ... Lvr 13:41, 8 September 2005 (UTC) (Steve, Thanks for the question on the fair use discussion).Reply

OHOTMU or Who's Who scans

Insert known or suspected pictures taken from one of the above publications below - SoM 22:46, 25 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

All of the above listed by SoM

Above listed by Steve block talk

Trading Card scans

I thought I'd list these as they also seem to me to be a competing product.

Above listed by Steve block talk 18:17, 26 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

SoM 18:49, 26 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

Marvel Super Heroes Adventure Game

These seem copyvio, it seems someone archived the whole Marvel Super Heroes Adventure Game site.

If these images are unused, you might as well just send them to WP:IFD as orphans - SoM 17:30, 27 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

Okay. Steve block talk 23:20, 5 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

Edited images

Miscellaneous

Above listed by Steve block talk 23:20, 5 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

Hellion

I'm trying to instate a cover as the box image @ Hellion, and User:DrBat's persisting in reverting to a high-resolution interior image. Help. - SoM 14:52, 10 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

I lowered the resolution, and made the image smaller. According to you "in a dispute of this nature, the prior version should be kept per WP:MoS unless there is a consensus in favour of change." And I have permission from the owner of the site as well. --DrBat 15:05, September 10, 2005 (UTC)
Yes, and in that case the dispute was just over the image used, and the status quo was a cover ("in a dispute of this nature"). I'm disputing the fair use of the image here - SoM 15:12, 10 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

Category naming

(BTW, we should see about CFRing Category:Comic book covers and other Category:Comic book *s to be in line with the renamed writer/artist/etc categories, perhaps?) - SoM 16:45, 21 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

The category renames is an idea, what do you suggest comic cover? Comics cover just doesn't fit somehow, does it? Steve block talk 19:41, 21 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
Comics covers? That fits with how you arranged Category:Comics writers, etc. - SoM 17:10, 22 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
Comics covers does fit with how they are organised, yeah. I'm just worried it sounds wrong. But it does cover graphic novels better than comic book would. On that note, also, there's discussion about moving Wikipedia:Naming conventions (comic books) to (comics) on the talk page. Steve block talk 18:34, 22 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
Well, "Comics writers" and other "Comics *s"es DO sound a bit wrong as well, but we've started down that route unless you want to CfR them all over again...
Well, it's not that so much as I could see where we could eventually break out more specific subcats like Category:Artists of American comic books, which could be more specific and easily understood than comic book artists ever was. But then if we do that do we then standardise to cartoonists of comic strips for Category:Comic strip cartoonists? I suppose that would then allow us to have writers of comic strips and artists of comics strips for those that don't specifically do both. But is this just another can of worms? Am I forever doomed to be the tinker man of WikiProject Comics? Steve block talk 19:27, 22 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
Deep breaths :) I don't think those breakouts are in the picture any time soon. - SoM
And I always wondered why the NC page didn't follow itself in it's choice of diambig tag :) - SoM 18:59, 22 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

Implementation of Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/exemplars

Latest comment: 19 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

So how should we start putting the above Steve block (or any other preferred) layout into action? --Jamdav86 19:14, 1 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

Bronze Age

Latest comment: 19 years ago4 comments4 people in discussion

Would anyone object if I created a Bronze Age of Comics article and moved some of the material in Silver Age of Comics, Modern Age of Comics, and American comic book into it? When I added the Bronze Age text to American Comic Book there was a claim that there was a "consensus" not to use the Bronze Age, which seems a little dubious to me--the whole concept is too well known. Ken Arromdee 19:29, 31 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

The concept is known, but the definitions are all over the place. Everyone agrees that the Silver Age started in 1955-56 (depending on whether you favour the Martian Manhunter or the second Flash as the harbinger, with the majority going for Showcase #4), but the end is a bit fuzzier, with Jack Kirby leaving Marvel and the Death of Gwen Stacy as the two most common. Now, the beginning of the BA inherits this, and then you have a really wide range at the other end, from 1980-ish to the Crisis on Infinite Earths to even X-Men #1 in one particuarly egregious example. If and only if you can show at least a rough dating consensus (1-3 years), do it. - SoM 20:16, 31 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
You seem to have misunderstood what I meant at Talk:American comic book. As I said to you before, I think there should at least be consistency across all the articles that refer to this period. If you are happy to do as SoM above suggests, feel free to do so. Note also the articles are at Silver Age of Comic Books and Modern Age of Comic Books, so the article you are after creating is at Bronze Age of Comic Books. Steve block talk 08:46, 2 September 2005 (UTC)Reply
I've taken a look at the Golden Age, Silver Age and Modern Age articles, and I was astounded how much bias there was towards superheroes. While the Modern Age article actually acknowledges certain events such as the rise of the direct market and the recognition of creator rights, the Golden Age and Silver Age give the impression that superheroes popularity = comics popularity. The high sales of comics during World War II were caused by large orders from the armed forces, who made those comics available to soldiers stationed overseas. However, comics never really lost their popularity during the late 40s/early 50s (which some people call the Atomic Age of Comics). Instead, a multitude of genres flourished, while superhero sales sagged. The beginning of the Silver Age is connected with the return of the superhero, however, it wasn't until the mid 60s that superheroes became once more the highest selling comics. Finally, superheroes were going out of favor again by the early 70s, with the relaxation of the Comics Code regulations, and the appearance of a new breed of horror (Swamp Thing, Ghost Rider) and fantasy titles (Conan). The historical divisions in ages for American comics is biased towards superheroes, because the majority of current comics fans read superhero stories. Pc13 10:31, 2 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

Feedback on Trouble article

I'd like to get some feedback on Trouble (comic) and some suggestions what could be added/improved about the article and thought this might be a better place than Wikipedia:Peer review for now. --Fritz Saalfeld 14:51, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

Franklin Richards

Latest comment: 19 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

The article Franklin Richards is tagged for cleanup but it looks pretty good to me. Does anyone see anything that still needs major work?

However, Fantastic Five is a redirect to Fantastic Four, which doesn't refer to it. Should this be changed from a redirect to an article? RJFJR 21:42, September 1, 2005 (UTC)

Definitely, especially as a F5 is an MC2 title and should not redirect to FF at all. Should have its own article. Pc13 21:59, 1 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

Adult humour titles

I'm starting to expand the article set on comics like Viz. I already have some front covers scanned in - see my recent contribs. If anyone wants to pitch in, they will all be in the category http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Adult_humour_titles . If anyone can do pre-Viz ones (I think Oz was an infamous one?) that'd be great, ta.

Shouldn't the name of that category be something like "Adult humor comic books"? I know it's within the "Comic books" category, but category titles should be sufficiently specific by themselves. ←Hob 13:37, September 4, 2005 (UTC)
At first, it was, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Comic_book_titles all have 'title' as a suffix, so I changed it before saving. --Vodex 16:42, September 4, 2005 (UTC)
Vodex, you can link to a category by inserting a colon ([[:Category:Comic book titles]] produces Category:Comic book titles). -leigh (φθόγγος) 18:25, September 4, 2005 (UTC)
Vodex, my point was that "Adult humour" is not just a kind of comic book; you could just as well put National Lampoon in that category, which I don't think is what you intended. The other subcats of "Comic book titles" don't need to mention comics because they already include the name of a specific comic or publisher. ...Which brings up another question: is it really a good idea for "Comic book titles" to be subcategorized by publisher and by genre? Isn't the word "title" misleading then? ←Hob 17:20, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

X-Men article

Latest comment: 19 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

The X-Men is cluttered as hell, a prime example of fan boy need to add every little factoid. It also needs sourcing. Anyone want to help? Rorschach567 14:01, 4 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

Wikiportal

Latest comment: 19 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Any volunteers to set one up @ Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Comics? - SoM 15:55, 7 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

I'll have a look at how it is done later this evening, but yes I'm game. Steve block talk 16:52, 7 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

User:Brown Shoes22

Latest comment: 19 years ago19 comments6 people in discussion

Something needs to be done about User:Brown Shoes22. It's gotten to the point where most of my watchlist is articles that he has worked on, so I have to clean them up later. His most recent changes to Arana have turned the article from a respectable large stub to a trivia dump, with a plot synopsis so big I don't feel the need to read the comic at all. He's also the one who created (and continues to "update") Runaways. He made separate pages for Ultimate Fantastic Four (story arcs) and Runaways (comics) (issues). He's already made a few copyvios, namely for Jessica Jones and Jeremiah (comic). It's not like he's doing page violations, but just his spelling and grammar are enough to drive someone mad. --Pc13 20:42, 2005 May 17 (UTC)

The warnings on his talk page are sufficient enough to merit some response from him... If he continues to misbehave and not respond at all, you should begin the Wikipedia:Dispute resolution process, which would start with an RFC. If he ignores the RFC, then the arbitration committee can look into the case further. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 20:03, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
  • Good God, you're right. Runaways (comics) (issues) has got to go; edit it down to about 100 words, stick it in the main article, and delete it. Must we put it through VfD, or is DropDeadGorgias our new "personal mod"? I have mixed feelings... -leigh (φθόγγος) 19:49, May 19, 2005 (UTC)
    • Just a note, I happen to have admin powers, but deletion process would still have to be followed to delete that article, as there is a somewhat notable article history. The only articles I can delete without going through VFD are Wikipedia:Candidates for speedy deletion. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 15:03, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)
  • If he doesn't appear to be reading his talk page, he's listed an email address over on Talk:Runaways (comics), though I don't know whether it's misspelled. Could be possibly be trolling? Or just an enthusiastic non-fluent English-speaker? -leigh (φθόγγος) 19:51, May 19, 2005 (UTC)
  • I agree, something needs to be done. It's not just bad English, it's also bad formatting. He elicits more cleanup work than he adds useful contributions. —Lowellian (talk) 02:27, May 20, 2005 (UTC)
  • Hey,Brown Shoes22 has Dyslexia, So it is harder to type and read.
  • Go to my User:Brown Shoes22 for my watchlist.
  • The copyvios, namely for Jessica Jones wasn't ME ! it was someone but not me!
Brown Shoes22
BrownShoes is at it again. Not only is he unhelpfully contesting the policy voted on at #Ultimates' Naming on each individual Ultimate character's talk page instead of on this page as I have indicated him to do several times, he is also creating sub-stub articles at Ultimates Annual, Ultimate X-Men Annual, Ultimate Spider-Man Annual, and Ultimate Fantastic Four Annual; these articles are not only of extremely debatable notability, but have almost no content. I have noted this on his talk page, and if he continues, I will open an RFC against him. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 18:30, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
Guess who's back User:M.C. Brown Shoes. Brand new name. Same edits: [2]... Keep an eye out. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 19:48, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
In spite of the name similarity, they don't appear to be the same person. M.C. Brown Shoes seems to be a quite regular contributor, and his edits are mainly about music. Brown Shoes22 is Canadian, while M.C. seems to be Australian according to this. --Pc13 07:37, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

Recent edits by BS22 to the Slingers article. Going round in circles here - is he adding anything bar a need for others to clean up after him? - SoM 10:48, 24 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

I repeat the question. For reference: Brown_Shoes22 (talk • contribs) - SoM 17:52, 1 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

Machine Teen

This page needs serious clean-up and an introduction. And it was written by Brown Shoes, so it needs a grammar/spelling fix. Did anybody else read Machine Teen? All I know is it was part of Marvel's Tsunami imprint and it was loosely based on the Machine Man concept. --Pc13 15:07, 18 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

Tsunami as an imprint is defunct, and has been since... I think New Mutants (vol. 2) #13 was the last to carry the branding. Either that or the last issue of Runaways vol. 1. - SoM 19:31, 18 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

Maxiseries or Graphic novel ?

What is a Maxiseries ?--Brown Shoes22 15:57, 3 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

If you don't know what something is, why do you start an article about it in the first place? --Fritz Saalfeld 16:49, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

All Star

DC Comics started a new ongoing series "All-Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder" and "All-Star Superman". So what is All Star ? There were references to it being like the silver age, so is it a continuation of the silver age storys, or is this a fresh start “reboot” with it’s own story line and continuity?

Is All Star warth making a page for Yes or No ?--Brown Shoes22 04:41, 4 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

  • Personally I think it is too early to tell. Public perception is that this is DC's "Ultimate" line, however their editorial staff deny that completely. Frank Miller says he is writing AS Batman to fit into continuity basically writing his Batman year two. I cannot see how you would write the entry for the line at this point with only one book out it is just unclear what the line of books is going to be.--AjaxSerix 18:12, 4 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
All New input will now is in Talk:All Star Batman and Robin for the time being !
All Star DC Comics now here Placess add new info.
I think that's a bit of overkill! We don't need an All Star DC Comics and a seperate page on All Star Batman and Robin too. You already received one comment advising you to wait, why are you just pressing on regardless? Steve block talk 19:53, 8 August 2005 (UTC)Reply
Steve, meet brownshoes. Brownshoes, meet steve. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 20:02, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

Oh. My.....

He created a blank page for Ultimate Extinction. Actually completely devoid of content. This needs to be seen to be believed before I speedy-tag it - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ultimate_Extinction&oldid=22602519 Page history, so you can see who did this - SoM 16:26, 7 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

... he's really outdone himself this time. Well played. I'll speedy it. I just... don't know what to say. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 16:38, September 7, 2005 (UTC)
Is there anything TO say? Something needs to be done about this guy. Even if he's not intentionally vandalising, that's the effect he's having now.
(See Special:Undelete/Ultimate_Extinction for anyone coming in late, BTW) - SoM 16:52, 7 September 2005 (UTC)Reply
I think that that future comics template in those hands is a worrying thing. Steve block talk 18:17, 7 September 2005 (UTC)Reply
More than just that. Look above. Look at the contribs (diffs) Brown Shoes22 (talk • contribs). He's a problem. - SoM 19:09, 7 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

The Book of Lost Souls

There's also The Book of Lost Souls, which is substub if not actually empty - SoM 16:28, 7 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

Just Imagine...

(Note: I found this in the history of archive 5!) Steve block talk 19:48, 7 September 2005 (UTC) In the 2000s, Stan Lee did his first work for DC Comics, launching the Just Imagine... series, in which Lee reimagined several DC superheroes including Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and the Flash. To make a page or not ?Reply
Just Imagine... Brown Shoes22 16:02, 29 August 2005 (UTC)Reply

What to do?

I've tried to group all the Brown Shoes stuff together. What are people's thoughts on the subject? Steve block talk 19:48, 7 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

Something should be done about this guy. I'm sure he means absolutely no harm and has only the best intentions, but it seems he often adds articles about things he has at best little knowledge of and his edits tend to seriously lack grammar and are probably more work for others to clean up than helpful contributions. --Fritz Saalfeld 20:28, September 7, 2005 (UTC)
I agree with FS 100% here. The problem is that there doesn't seem to be any process for this sort of thing. He's been asked on his talk page to no effect. If he was being malicious, we could just report him at WP:VIP and be done with it. He's not even a "clueless newbie" any more. I asked on the IRC channel the other day, and got something along the lines of "Well, copyediting's minor, as long as he's not breaking WP:NPOV." I'd like to hear any ideas. - SoM 20:37, 7 September 2005 (UTC)Reply
He says on his user page that he's dyslexic, and I also can't help but wonder if he has more learning problems like that. He seems similar to User:SuperDude115 in that sense; he's very enthusiastic, and after a while you get the feeling that he doesn't really intend to troll, but his actions are ultimately damaging to the 'pedia. However, the one thing that I've caught him on several times is copyvio- he has a bad habit of transplanting whole sections of other websites. He seems to have stopped the copyvio recently though. We've cautioned him on substubs a lot, and it's really frustrating that he's back on that. -DropDeadGorgias (talk) 20:48, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

Front page

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I reformatted the front page to bring it in line with the nearly completed portal. I added a Recently updated articles section to list articles that we want to bring to each other's attention. Hope it's useful. Steve block talk 21:52, 9 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

Err, it's kind of... busy? Shouldn't we be more concerned with keeping in line with other WikiProject pages than our portal? Portals are for readers, WikiProjects are for contributors, at least that's how I've always looked at it. --DropDeadGorgias (talk) 22:01, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
Ditto. Plus... LILAC?! (That one goes for the portal too)
Reverted until there's a concensus in favour of change of this magnitude - SoM 22:10, 9 September 2005 (UTC)Reply
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