Promotion of a religious movement, AfD under WP:NOTa propaganda machine. Seems to be part of an organized program to prosteletyze using Wikipedia, see http://www.kensmen.com/catholic/evangelize.html Also related Dust Sieber Flowery and image Phatmass_stage2.gif. Expect to find additional "projects" and numerous reverts as this seems to be part of their program --Outlander 16:36, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
Not promotion of a religious movement, rather a description of a religious movement and more. A valid and noteworthy aspect of contemporary American youth culture. Not simply a unique online community, but also an affiliation of musicians and artists. Excluding phatmass from wikipedia strikes me as a mistake consider the fact that there are articles on some of the must banal and absurd topics.
And I fail to understand the accusation of an organized program to prosteletyze using Wikipedia. The link provided points to a page belonging to some unaffiliated organization who happens to have phatmass.com on their list of websites to prosteletyze. Ha!
Phatmass.com is entirely public and is archived by google.com and archive.org. You will find not evidence of an organized program to prosteletyze using Wikipedia, the accusation is utterly absurd. Good day!
re:Phatmass Hmmm… Phatmass.com doesn’t seem to view “trads” in a favorable light See user profile Extra ecclesiam nulla salus - so the kensmen.com "trad" movement seems entirely unrelated. Moreover, Phatmass is a Christian music production group – therefore a valid entry example: Tooth & Nail Records --Lounge Daddy 17:24, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
- A music production group? Is that what they're describing at http://www.phatmass.com/about/? --Outlander 17:41, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
The About thing is mainly talking about the site which is forums, but any casual perusal of the site will reveal the music side of things (click the music section, or any of the message boards for a particular band in the forums section). And as I said, you will find nothing about an organized prosteletyzing on Wikipedia or whatever else you were accusing phatmass of. The only thing that is related in the phatmass mission statement is: "Our mission is to live and defend the faith given to us by Jesus Christ by remaining totally and completely obedient to the teaching authority of His Church. We encourage dialogue between people of all faiths and recognize that we are all children of God striving for holiness." This is hardly prostelytism, it is defending the faith when anti-Catholics visit the forums and what not. I do not understand your bias in this case. What is the issue?
And futhermore, did you read on that page the section regarding what phatmass does? Example: "Produces Catholic hip-hop music as a creative method of communication to the youth and urban culture" "Performs at live shows and events across the country with the cooperation of a network of different artists"
Regards
- Delete. As a website, they have an Alexa rank of ~100k and falling fast, too low for inclusion. As a music producer they have no allmusic page, nor do any of the bands listed. (One of the bands, Remnant, has an album listed, but no bio.) From what I can tell, just about all of those bands would fail WP:MUSIC as well. --Icelight 18:41, September 12, 2005 (UTC)
No all music page? Check it: http://www.phatmass.com/music/index.php http://www.phatmass.com/music/hip-hop.php http://www.phatmass.com/music/rock.php http://www.phatmass.com/music/rythm_blues.php http://www.phatmass.com/music/electronica.php http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showforum=31
Also the same was ranked pretty high on a recent list of popular Catholic sites.