Talk:Theodore Roosevelt
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Youngest President
T.R. actually was the youngest person to serve as President. I reverted the edit by Wally that said he was the youngest President "at the time". This is a common mistake that results from the fact that JFK was the youngest person ever elected President. But when T.R. succeeded to the office, he was younger than JFK later was. T.R. was born on October 27, 1858 and took office on September 14, 1901; consequently he was just under 43 years old (15,662 days old) when he took office. JFK was born on 29 May 1917 and took office on 20 January 1961, and was a little under 44 years old (15,942 days old) when he took office. Mateo SA | talk 22:38, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
Full maiden name of First Lady
The full maiden name of First Lady Roosevelt was Edith Kermit Carow, but the linked article has her as Edith Roosevelt, so my change was obvious. --65.73.0.137
Major Clean Up
Reworked the entire article, but didn't add a whole lot, or really remove a whole lot. I did remove this quote below, which is rather nice sounding, but I couldn't work it in.
"There can be nothing in the world more beautiful than the Yosemite, the groves of the giant sequoias and redwoods, the Canyon of the Colorado, the Canyon of the Yellowstone, the Three Tetons; and our people should see to it that they are preserved for their children and their children's children forever, with their majestic beauty all unmarred,"
I'll be back later to add some stuff in. I'd like to get this article up to feature quality. *Kat* 03:16, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
- I'll put my hat into helping (making this article FA has been on my mental to-do list for some time now; T.R. is my favorite president). I already fleshed out his childhood and education - just started with his political career. Some major holes that still need to be filled;
- his military service; esp in regards to the Spanish-American War ("Rough Riders")
- The Roosevelt Corollary to the Monroe Doctrine/Big Stick Diplomacy (which drove much of his foreign policy)
- Other things that should be mentioned; the Panic of 1907 and his response and the Gentlemen's Agreement with Japan (I'm glad to see there is already a para on race).
- Also, the ==Presidency== section is still a bit of a mess, organization-wise. So many small subsections are not as good as larger subsections of more unified/thematic prose. Dividing between foreign and domestic policy should be enough (along with Cabinet table). If the prose gets too long for a couple to few subsections to hold, then the detailed stuff should be moved to Theodore Roosevelt Administration and a good-sized summary of his presidency left here (ala Ronald Reagan and Reagan Administration). Also the ==Little known facts== section is little more than a place for trivia - that should either be merged into the relevant parts of the article or put into a new section called ==Legacy== along with text from ==T.R. in U.S. culture== (for now, I like the second idea better). What do you think? --mav 01:57, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- I think you sound like you know what you are doing. If you would take the lead in the process of revision, I would be happy to follow. This is one of the first articles that I have worked on and I'm still a little unsure of myself.
- I have some information on the Roosevelt Corollary, but it is back in my dorm, and I'm currently home for Christmas.
- Some other holes that need to be filled;
- His diplomatic work in ending the Russo-Japanese War that earned him the Nobel Prize
- The Bull Moose Party.
- What do you think?--*Kat*
- Will do and those points are important and do need to be gone into a bit more. What I plan to do is just keep adding more and more from my several sources (the one cited in this article has 20 pages on T.R.) until I pretty much exhaust my sources of encyclopedic info. I will then go through the article and trim it down by moving some more detailed text to other related articles and leaving summaries here. My plan is to get this article in the 25 to 35KB size range but have it still be comprehensive in an encyclopedic sense (and of course have it be good enough to go through the featured article selection process). There almost certainly will be a longish article just on his presidency too. --mav 16:10, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- I managed to add some information about the Rough Riders and Roosevelt's time as the head of the NYC police department today.*Kat* 05:27, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)
- Cool. Hopefully I'll be able to get back to this soon. --mav 06:40, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Roosevelt´s travel to Brazil
In 1901 or 1904, Roosevelt joined an expetition led by Candido Mariano Rondon to the countryside of Brazil in which they discovered a river. Based on this trip he wrote ´Through Brazilian Wilderness`. In an issue of ´The New York Times´ released in 1991 or 1992, it is said that Roosevelt had contracted a tropical disease while in Brazil.
- This is the first time I´m editing. I hope this information will be useful
Fathers business is misleading
Currently the artical says this of TRs fathers business:
His father was a New York City philanthropist, merchant, and partner in the glass-importing firm Roosevelt and Son
But the biography I'm reading says that the Roosevelts had investments mostly in real estate and railroads.
This is my first time to suggest and artical change. Can someone verify that this change is needed? Thanks, Gary Setter Gary
This is my source Theodore Roosevelt : A Strenuous Life Copyright 2002 by Kathleen Dalton pages 16-17
"Thee (father to TR) worked in his father's plate-glass importing firm, Roosevelt and Son, where he also managed the family's immense real estate, stock, banking, mining, and insurance holdings. When Theodore was a boy, C.V.S. Roosevelt and his five sons owned Manhattan's Piers Nine and Ten, a farm on Staten Island, land in upstate New York, stock in the New York Central Railroad, and property all over lower Manhattan."
Food and Drug Administration
Theodore Roosevelt was instrumental in setting legislative courses in motion that would eventually lead to the advent of the Food and Drug Administration. He did so after a combination of two experiences: his time in Cuba with the US Army, where he saw many of his men get disgustingly sick on badly preserved meat rations supplied by American firms (who supplied the forces on a bid system similar to today's); and Upton Sinclair's novel The Jungle. Roosevelt was often swayed by literature, and also by his personal experiences in the military. The two combined served as a mighty motivation in his food and drug policies. -- Benn M. 22:55, 2005 Jun 14 (UTC)
Whoever thinks Roosevelt Rocks say AWWWW YEAH!
AWWWW YEAH!
Turtledove
In Harry Turtledove's Timeline-191 alternate history, Roosevelt raised an "Unauthorized Regiment" during the Second Mexican War (1881) and became a war hero. He later served as Democratic President in 1913–21, defeating the Confederate States and crushing Canada during the Great War (1914–17). He was defeated by Socialist Upton Sinclair in his historic run for a third term; he died in 1924 as the most beloved president in recent U.S. history.
What is the relevance of this to a biographical article on T.R.? I am going to remove it, but I am pasting it here in case somebody can come up with a good reason why it should be restored. 68.110.199.122 03:41, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
- Never mind, I'll leave it. I see it appears under "T.R. in pop culture." I bet this is going to end up misquoted somewhere, with some high school kid saying Roosevelt was a popular Democratic President who helped defeat the Confederacy. Of course, just as likely somebody will quote as historical fact that stuff about Scrooge McDuck. 68.110.199.122 03:43, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure it being under the pop culture section will be a giveaway that its not true.--Kross 04:41, September 1, 2005 (UTC)
Removed enormous image
Excised the gigantic, double-width image of TR's grave marker, as it is already displayed in a reasonably-sized form higher in the article. Russell 05:49, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
Templates
Can we remove them? They're an eyesore, and somewhat redundant, seeing as we now have categories. Johnleemk | Talk 16:32, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
- I've removed the succession template for the Progressive Party candidacy (as it seems redundant), and the assorted templates made redundant by categories, as per consensus on FAC. Johnleemk | Talk 16:02, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Spooky Quote
"I don't go so far as to think that the only good Indians are the dead Indians, but I believe nine out of every ten are, and I shouldn't like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth. The most vicious cowboy has more moral principle than the average Indian."
Theodore Roosevelt, 1886
Don't you hate it when someone you respect says something stupid? This is worse than the time my favourite uncle refered to a black co-worker as "coloured"...or when my 60+ year old father started talking about Lindsay Lohan's breasts (with mom in the room)...or finding out that the government that brought in Canada's Indian Act was that of John A. MacDonald (The Act being, essentially, a combination or racism/misogyny/heavy handed paternalism that attempted to force natives to integrate by segregating them and making their culture, essentially, illegal. Moral relativism aside, hell isn't other people, it's the disappointment of finding out people aren't as good as I though they were. Sigh.