Jeffrey O. Gustafson
Welcome to my talk page
This article has seen serious improvement. If you'd care to reconsider your nomination, I think we can safely put this one to rest. Friday (talk) 05:26, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Mozart FARC
Jeffrey—Pleased to see that the Mozart article is headed for the chopper. My main complaint is the inadequate treatment of his musical style. But there are other matters, too. I've corrected your comment at the top of the page—best to be as mistake-free as possible to retain our authority in what will inevitably be a bun-fight.
Re: Administrator intervention
You listed a user "150.203.236" on Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. If you were intending to list an IP address, that particular entry does not fit the correct pattern. Could you fix it? Denelson83 06:42, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Hello. When you post to WP:AIV, make sure you use the {{vandal}} template. Also, 150.203.236 doesn't seem to have any edits. Could you please check the IP address and post it again? Thanks, --Blackcap | talk 06:43, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
- O.K. Looks like you're set. Take care, --Blackcap | talk 06:49, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 06:49, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Happy -- Supporting now
Vandal crushing is fine by me! :) Something about RadicalBender's page had visions of prematurely- closed RfA's dancing in my head. But process for vandals -- I wouldn't mind in the least if editing were restricted to registered users. Kill away. User opinions deserve respect, not puppets. :) Xoloz 12:35, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
- Indeed! Thanks for your support! --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 16:52, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Vegan edit
Not a problem! But it's something to keep an eye out for once you're an admin. --Angr/tɔk tə mi 16:37, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your support! --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 16:52, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Good thinking
Redirecting Company song - didn't even occur to me. Smart man :-) - Just zis Guy, you know? 16:46, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks! --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 16:52, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Two questions and a request
1. Do you have an automated tool that gives you the ability to add or delete things from many articles at the same time? If so, would you be interested in sharing it?
- I use the Firefox browser from Mozilla. It's open-source and copyleft, completely free, and the best browser in existance. More to the point, it has a feature called tabbed browsing, allowing a user to have many different pages open in a single window. I use that function alot, especially on Recent Changes and New Pages patrol.
2. What information do I need to supply you with to make you comfortable with the content of the articles I write, so that I may avoid future instances of your deleting significant portions of my work? Please see articles on the Governors of Delaware.
- You belittle your own truly amazing work here by saying a single image constitutes a "significant portion." I wish I had the knowledge and writing ability for my home state that you possess in reference to your home state and those who have guided its development.
3. I would be grateful if you could take the time to read my user page, as I have yours, to try and understand my intentions. As I state on it, feedback is appreciated. I recognize my work is not perfect, and am simply experimenting to find ways to produce a better product. stilltim 21:57, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
- And please continue to expirement, by all means.
- But now, the reasoning behind my edits. First, to clarify things for anyone else wondering, I removed the chicken shown at right from thirty-five (35) pages mainly dealing with notable Delaware politicians and statesman. In each of those pages, the image at left was located at the beginning of the main section after the table of contents, without fail.
- When I first saw this image on one of the pages, I was entirely perplexed by its presence. Initially, I assumed it was a vandal trying to make some sort of statement or to just plain vandalize the page. Digging into the history, however, I saw that the page had not been vandalized, and in fact had largely been written by two individuals, yourself and one other editor. Clicking on the image revealed that it was the state bird of Delaware, and that it was on many similar pages. I immidiately understood that someone was trying to bring all Delaware articles together by introducing the theme of the state bird. However, there are specific and significant problems with including it on the pages:
- As is (just the bird), to the uninitiated (or in other words, most of the readers of the page) it is frankly confusing. One shouldn't have to click on multiple things to gather the significance of an edit.
- So lets say you thumbnail the image and explain what it is. Even then, it is still confusing. One would be wondering, for instance, why the state bird is on Joe Biden's page: did he choose it? Did he cast a pivotol vote in its selection? etc. The answer is, naturally, no, so to rectify the situation you'd need to explain even further: "This is the state bird of Delaware and it's on Delaware related pages." Then it just gets in the way and distracts from the article.
- Including an image on any article that does not somehow have something directly to do with the image is not encyclopedic in the traditional or wiki sense. Indeed, your strategic inclusion of the flag, seal, shield etc. of Delaware (and occasionally other states) through all of your Delaware bios are also thoroughly confusing - what purpose do they serve?
- I understand what you are trying to do, and it is logical for a website, but not an encyclopedia. What you can do is create a Wikiproject with Delaware as the focus, and use the bird as the symbol. Then the bird will be on all project related talk pages, which is perfectly acceptable.
- However, upon further inspection of the issue as I was removing the images, I noticed that the copyright info wasn't in line with what is acceptable for Wikipedia. The image page specifically states the website from which the image came - this is good. The problem is, the image is copyrighted to somebody - if its not the webpage's owner, than to whomever took the picture, and inclusion of the whole image does not constitute fair use under any circumstances. As a result, it is not allowed on wikipedia at all (until such time that the original owner releases it to the public ___domain/the GDFL/Creative Commons, or current copyleft status can be definitively confirmed). And even then, it would only be appropriate on articles about the animal, the state, and state birds in general.
- I hope you see what I was trying to do here, both in terms of cutting down on potential confusion, staying in line with encyclopedic standards, and following the new stricter rules of image use laid down by Jimbo, and by no means did I intend harm to "your work" (though you should already know by now that the nature of the Project means that someone, somewhere, will eventually edit the pages you have created).
- A suggestion I have for you that will greatly improve your articles is removing all those little, unexplained images (the flags and shields and seals) - they will make your articles easier to read, and bring them in line with the rest of Wikipedia.
- I cannot stress enough the importance of your presence on the Project, and I hope this does not discourage you in any way. I hope you have a good night, --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 23:15, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
FARC
see Wikipedia talk:Featured article removal candidates/Sun Yat-sen and please respond there. --Jiang 11:07, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
and again. let's keep this discussion in one place. --Jiang 11:24, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Hmmm...
Yes, Amy Poehler is fairly attractive as you noted. But that might just be your Red Sox bias slipping in. Better luck next year, eh? Gotta keep Theo around though. And Mueller.
- It was a rough season, but I'm all for Chicago winning (86 years for the sins of 8 people is enough time).
There's my POV right there. And good luck on your RfA. Cheers. --Lord Voldemort (Dark Mark) 18:45, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
- Much thanks! --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 23:04, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
250%
Yeah, I figure I have the power to vote up to 300%. 300% would be reserved for someone Jimbo like, or Jimbo's son... 250 is a fair amount, I see you around so much I thought you were one by now, I mean cmon everyone you see alot is one, aren't they? ;-) Redwolf24 (talk) 23:10, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
- Indeed. BTW, alert me if you are ever up for Bureaucrat again. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 23:14, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Speedies and long summaries
Hmm...I'm sure you know what is on my mind :-) --HappyCamper 13:23, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
- Hey, no problem :-) --HappyCamper 13:31, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
2K
- Well, then I'll congratulate you again, this time in advance! --Merovingian (t) (c) (e) 04:55, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
You're a sysop!
Hey there. I'm pleased to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator! You've volunteered to do housekeeping duties that normal users sadly cannot participate in. Sysops can't do a lot of stuff: They can't delete pages just like that (except patent nonsense like "aojt9085yu8;3ou"), and they can't protect pages in an edit war they are involved in. But they can delete random junk, ban anonymous vandals, delete pages listed on Votes for deletion (provided there's a consensus) for more than one week, protect pages when asked to, and keep the few protected pages that exist on Wikipedia up to date.
Almost anything you can do can be undone, but please take a look at The Administrators' how-to guide and the Administrators' reading list before you get started (although you should have read that during your candidacy ;). Take a look before experimenting with your powers. Also, please add Administrators' noticeboard to your watchlist, as there are always discussions/requests for admins there. If you have any questions drop me a message at My talk page. Have fun! =Nichalp «Talk»=Please also add your name to WP:LA User:Nichalp/sg 05:57, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Congratluations. Have a pike (or any sort of fish you want). CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 08:46, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Congrats!!! Good job on becoming an admin! If all goes well, I'll be joining you any day. See you 'round AfD. -[[User:Mysekurity|Mysekurity]] [[additions | e-mail]] 12:22, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Congratulations! :) Continuing support, Jacqui ★ 14:33, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
What's the big deal? It's only a mop! Oh well, congrats. :-D BDAbramson T 00:34, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Joseph Allen Wood
Check out Duane Jackson and Luna Studios Inc and User 207.69.137.14. You might want to mention the releationship on the AfD pages. By the way, I blocked the user for repeated vandalism. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 10:56, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
User page
Hi, your user page was just blanked and messaged - see this diff. Alf melmac 11:54, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Good job removing vandalism + suggestion
I noticed that you revert vandalism a bit. You should join the counter vandalism unit There is an irc channel on freenode.net call wikipedia-en-vandalism. It has cool_cats bot which picks up vandalism. --☺Adam1213☺ Talk+|WWW 12:09, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
so are you going to join? --☺Adam1213☺ Talk+|WWW 12:35, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
- While I have a keen interest in fighting vandalism, I have no interest in joining the CVU. Thanks for the offer. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 06:48, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Making AfDs easier
I recently created a script that helps voting on AFDs, the afd helper. It's recently been extended to make the nomination process much quicker too, but this hasn't been tested yet. It looked like you might find it handy. Any feedback would be appreciated. jnothman talk 14:40, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
- Just thought I'd let you know that the feature is particularly useful if you're a tabbed browser user. Or maybe that's just my bias for tabbed browsing anyway (I've been doing it for 5 years in Opera).
- But that's beside the point: where the helper makes it easier is that it avoids typing things that you have to type on every AFD. If I'm going through the AFD log and want to vote "Delete per nom" (after having reviewed the article, etc), all I need to do now is click a little vote button beside the list of votes, type "d<enter>pn<enter><enter>" and my vote will be posted in a couple of seconds. If I want to nominate an article for AFD now, I similarly (if the system works) just click a link on the left hand side of my screen, check the date is correct, type the reason for the nomination and hit enter, and the three steps are done for me.
- No technicalities, then. To install the script, edit your monobook.js and paste the following:
/**** afd helper ****/
document.write('<script type="text/javascript"' +
'src="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Jnothman/afd_helper/' +
'script.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script>');
function Main()
{
afd_helper();
// You may include here other "extensions"
}
window.onload = Main;
/* This is to keep track of who is using this extension: [[User:Jnothman/afd_helper/script.js]] */
- Save, and you should be done. Then refresh the AFD log page to see vote buttons next to each entry. I hope you have a go, because I think this'll make it easier even for those not technically-inclined. jnothman talk 02:17, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but I have no idea what moonbook is? -- that is why I gave you a link. But since I'm nice I'll tell you what it is too =P Monobook is actually the default skin for Wikipedia. But so that users can have more control over display and can add neat tools to aid navigating and editing Wikipedia, Wikipedia's skins load a javascript file which the user can edit, giving a lot more power to the user to customise their Wikipedia experience. This file, at least for the Monobook skin is found at User:USER_NAME/monobook.js, in your case at User:Jeffrey O. Gustafson/monobook.js. I hope that was a little helpfull. jnothman talk 02:29, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Speedies
Hi there. A recent speedy of yours, Riot Siren has been listed at WP:DRV. Please note that A7 does not apply to bands, since all the bands speedies were rejected. If the article were about a person in the band, that would be different. -Splashtalk 15:44, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
- I am concerned that a number of your other speedy-A7's were impropper. I'm trying not to bite, but please be careful? Hipocrite - «Talk» 15:51, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
- In the attempt to proactively add levity into a situation that hopefully will not devolve into bad things (it shouldn't! No hard feelings, I swear! Hey, out of 3 times I brought you up for DR, I totally bobbled at least 1 of them) I award you this barnstar for deletion above and beyond the call of duty! Hipocrite - «Talk» 16:18, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
- Ahoy! It's ok to bite in this case as I may have gotten a bit over-eager with the new buttons - I'll be the first to admit my mistakes, and in order to see them someone needs to bring it up, so thanks, actually. The Barnyard thing was because some anon had been adding dozens of articles with the title "(2006 film)" at the end of it. I did a lot of moves and redirects to the proper titles (usually just the title, or just "(film)" at the end), and should have blanked and redirected Barnyard (2006 film) to the already extant Barnyard (film), but I screwed that up. Kelly McGee was G4, my reasoning was G4, I put A7 for some dumb reason. Riot Siren... well, now I know: if it is about one person that does not assert notability, speedy; if it is about more than one person that does not assert notability, AfD (and as always, when in doubt, AfD, anyway). Thanks for your help, and the barnstar! --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 02:06, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks
Thanks for reverting my user page. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 21:01, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
- My pleasure. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 23:36, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Congratulations
Congratulations on becoming an admin, and feel free to drop by if you need anything. Jayjg (talk) 04:22, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks! --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 13:22, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for dealing with Preservation Issues--your solution is sensible. No one knew what to do with that thing, which is why it sat there so long after it should have been closed. Chick Bowen 00:34, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Please look at this RfA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship/Ramallite Unsigned spam by User:Zeq
When deleting articles, please delete talk pages as well, unless they contain notable discussions that could be helpful in the future, e.g., during possible article recreation. mikka (t) 16:47, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm objecting to your use of IAR.
Ok, I'm not actually objecting to the deletion, just having a bit of a stir. I really did want to point out that there is a precedent if a nomination was very very clear for removing it early, so this isn't IAR.
- I plugged on the IAR afterwards to cover immediate objections to the closing.
But what was the harm in letting it ride, anyway?
brenneman(t)(c) 21:58, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
- The AfD? Well, sometimes there are pages that are genuinely harmful to The Project, and that was one of them. (If concensus was not clear, of course, I would not have touched it). --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 11:04, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
- Well, it's popped up on WP:DRV now... - brenneman(t)(c) 11:09, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
I just now got a chance to look at the situation that happened. Thanks for the message. JW definitely overreacted, which is too bad, since he looks like a talented person. While I definitely don't condone his behavior, I still think he was treated a little too curtly by the community in the beginning, which seems to be what provoked him. Nevertheless, you did what you had to do, and he's responsible for his actions. By the way, congratulations on your recent sysop appointment. Peace, HGB 23:31, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
Thank you
Very much for your kind support of my adminship. I'll do my best to live up to your and my other supporters' expectations. If you have any comments or concerns on my actions as an administrator, please let me know. Thank you! — MC MasterChef :: Leave a tip — 14:32, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
I don't think AfD is necessary, the case is glaringly obvious. Vanity page, as well as OR. Dsol 20:06, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
- I deleted it. There was a removed speedy tag. Can you close out the AfD. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 20:13, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
To Jeffery
Sorry for not paying attention! Thanks!
Patay Gutom Gang
While I agree that Patay Gutom Gang, which you just deleted, should be a speedy candidate, I must nonetheless disagree with its deletion. The article was not patent nonsense as you claimed in your deletion summary, but rather a quite well-written article about an utterly non-notable group. (It may have been a hoax, but G1 specifically excludes those as well.) In fact, I was going to bring up the article at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion as an example of why A7 should be expanded to cover non-notable groups, which it currently doesn't. I feel that, under the current rules, this article needs to be given the usual AfD process before deletion. —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 14:29, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
- It is restored, as requested. AfD away. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 14:33, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
STUT
Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/STUT(Southern Taiwan University of Technology). -- RHaworth 00:34, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
Eddie Guerrero
If I could make a suggestion in the article called Eddie Guerrero, there is a section under his death that says:
"An autopsy revealed that Eddie died in his sleep as a result of acute heart failure, caused by undiagnosed heart disease and strain put on his heart from overworking himself ....."
He did NOT die in his sleep. He died in the early morning hours of 7:30 a.m. while he was brushing his teeth. He died of a massive heart attack, but I guess thats the same as his heart failure. If you could please change the sentence about him dying in his sleep.
Sun Yat-sen
I saw that you had decided that the Sun Yat-sen FARC had reached consensus and removed the article as a Featured Article. I'm not sure that consensus was reached. In short, there were seven votes for removal and three votes to keep, along one other comment to improve. The catch, though, is that one of the removal votes was with the caveat to "improve or remove" and Deryck C. was working to improve the article. He addressed the copyright concerns and other issues. I do not believe that a FARC without consensus, and one in which the primary editor of the article is working to address the concerns, should be removed. I am also bothered that, as stated before, this FARC ignored the FARC guidelines about not nominating an article so soon after achieving FA status.--Alabamaboy 01:37, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
- First, I aggree that the FARC was too soon after promotion - see the specific FARC's talk page. I speedy de-listed it and tried to convince the nominator to hold off. I also asked for assistance from Raul, the FA director, but was ignored (either because he din not object to the FARC going forward, or he did not care). When other users expressed a desire for the FARC to go forward, there was little I could do.
- As for the article being de-featured, I stand by my decision. I believe consensus was reached (although consensus is not always used with FAs). FAs must live up to a higher standard, and even a slight consensus is enough to warrant defeaturing, especially considering that it can take only one actionable objection to sink an FAC full of supports.
- Deryck C. did address some of the concerns raised, notably the copyvio stuff, yes, but that was only a small part of the issue. Once Deryck feels the article is up to snuff, he should take it through the FAC process again (he can do it now if he wants). --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 16:13, 17 November 2005 (UTC)