Talk:420 (cannabis culture)
While the article was crap, it is certainly true that 420 is connected to the marihuana crowd. A serious article about this would be interesting. AxelBoldt
- but should it be on a apge of its own or a part of the article on marijuana in general? -- Tarquin
- This as it is is not an article. I think it belongs with the marijuana article, and maybe mentioned on April 20's page. --KQ
- Part of the marijuana page might work, April 20 I disagree with though... it celebrates both the time and date.
- Way to spell pot. Although on the keyboard the J and H are next to each other and may sound similar, they have one big difference. They are not the same letter.
- Part of the marijuana page might work, April 20 I disagree with though... it celebrates both the time and date.
- This as it is is not an article. I think it belongs with the marijuana article, and maybe mentioned on April 20's page. --KQ
Hardcore smokers smoke-out at 4:20 AM, claiming that 4:20 PM is actually 16:20 (military time). Really, really hardcore smokers smoke-out at both 0420 hours and 1620 hours.
Marijuana is not a drug and 4:20 is the time to smoke. I think- I know that everyone would be so much more happier if they would just SHUT THE FUCK UP AND SMOKE A BLUNT GOd DAMMIT!
- Well, it is kind of amusing, but not really either true or helpful. I would suggest that if you really really want to keep it you try to attribute it to someone as a quote. I think that's the only way that it would make any sense. Mark Richards 20:58, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I re-added Hardcore smokers smoke-out at 4:20 AM, claiming that 4:20 PM is actually 16:20 (military time). I posted that sentence long ago, and it is true. The other part (Really, really hardcore smokers smoke-out at both 0420 hours and 1620 hours.) is a joke someone else added. I am not re-adding the joke part. Kingturtle 21:36, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- I agree, it is funny, but is there really any basis to this? I am very sure that there are some 'hardcore smokers' who smoke out at 4.20 am, but do you think they are more likely to smoke out at 4.20 am than 2.am? Or 16.20 for that matter. And what about hardcore smokers who are in the military? Enquiring minds want to know.... Also - can we attribute the claim to anyone more specific than 'hardcore smokers'? Mark Richards 01:04, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- Yes, there is a basis to this. I happen to live in a 4:20-obssessed county. Kingturtle 20:30, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Really really really hardcore smokers smoke every hour on the :20 since it is always 4:20 somewhere in the world.
- Although your comment is cute, it is not practiced. Kingturtle 20:30, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I changed "(military time)" to "(24 hour time)". (yes, i'm pedantic.)
The article is pretty lame, however, I think this topic does deserve to exist. There are enough references to 420 in pop culture that it makes sense to mention it. There is some good factual information available at the following links:
I'm sure someone could make a decent topic out of that.
Lukwam 20:19, Apr 7, 2004 (UTC)
Drug Culture?
Personally, I disagree with this page having the term "drug culture" in parenthases. It should probably be noted somewhere on the page (and on the marijuana page as well) that marijuana isn't a drug.
Most specifically, marijuana (aka "hemp") is a plant that has many uses. It just so happens that this plant contains a natural biochemical called THC which is often identified as a "drug" (as though it were a pharmacudical substance) by certain oppressive and anti-individualist cultures.
I'm not just ranting because I'm pro-marijuana, this is a technical issue that should bother anyone with half a brain. Likewise, tobacco isn't a drug, it's merely a plant that happens to contain the natural "drug" known as nicotine.
Also, unless someone can prove unequivocally that people who smoke marijuana are involved in the use of actual drugs (heroine, cocaine, ecstasy, crystal methamphetamine, etc.) then it seems erroneous to classify something having to do with marijuana as a part of "drug culture". Note that until the early 1900's, marijuana wasn't considered a drug, nor is it considered as such by some modern cultures. This is a recent invention of fascist governments that wish to deny the rights of certain minority groups, and when viewed in terms of world history, the position that marijuana is a "drug" is a minority view (mainly because of how recent it is; the vast majority of people throughout history held no such position).
Anyway, th
- Appreciate your points, and agree that careful usage of the term 'drug' may not include the plant itself, but the term 'drug cutlure' is used to refer to people who smoke the plant, and ingest the drug for recreational purposes, whether legal or not. Wikipedia does not take a view on whether any particular item should be classified a certain way, it simply notes that it usually is. Some kind of caveat may be appropriate. Mark Richards 22:18, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Whether marijuana is a drug or not, 420 is still considered part of drug culture. But... we can always move it if there's a better name. I can't think of one though. --Headcase 08:01, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Marijuana has never been a drug, and never will be a drug
Albert Hofmann reference
I just became curious whether the Albert Hofmann bit was actually correct. It is, according to his book where a facsimile of his lab journal from April 19, 1943 reads:
- 19. IV./16.20: 0,5 cc. von 1/2-promilliger wässeriger Tartrat-Lösg. v. Diäthylamid peroral
- = 0,25 mg Tartrat. Mit ca. 10 cc. W. verdünnt geschmacklos einzunehmen.
Glad that Wikipedia proved reliable regarding this important fact ;) regards, High on a tree 03:04, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Mesopotamia
In 420 BC, the Mesopatamians fed their cattle cannabis as an alternative to wheat. - source? Zoe 05:41, August 16, 2005 (UTC)
- Even with a confirmed source, this note seems quite ridiculous owing to the apparent specificity of the date. Did the Mesopatamians feed cows cannabis the year after or the year before? (or was it just a short lived experiment?)Guliolopez 15:05, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
- Yeah, I was going to blow up over his one too. "Certainly they did it, as a reference to drug culture. And what is more, in 419 they stopped doing it." I think it should be taken out on account that it has nothing to do with encyclopedic aims of wikipedia. Divad 20:02, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
Afternoon Tea?
Afternoon tea could be taken at 4.20pm? Well it could - and at 4pm etc. Secretlondon 23:18, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
4:20, stopped clocks and secret signals
While travelling in Thailand some years ago, and staying with a "child of the sixties" who kept a private guest house for more "serious travellers", I commented on the fact that all the clocks in the longhouse were permanently stopped at 4:20. It was pointed out to me that (during more draconian times) a clocked stopped at 4:20 was a furtive signal to like minded visitors (and hopefully not to any "visiting" authority) that you were in safe company for smoking. Given that this retains some validity today, I am surprised not to see a mention of the "secret signal" practice in this article. Had I a more solid source than word of mouth from an aging stoner, I would add this note to the article proper myself. (Not that one more flaky reference would even be noticed in this entry) Guliolopez 15:05, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
Yearbook experience
For a time during my senior year in high school, I worked for the yearbook staff. One submitted senior quote was:
Print exactly as shown: 4 years 2 many memories ----------------- 0 regrets
After we realized what he was up to, we changed it to "Four years, too many memories, zero regrets". And that's my 420 story. -Branddobbe 04:08, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
date contradiction
The article claims that:
- "In the 1936 anti-pot classic "Reefer Madness", there is a brief subliminal flash showing 4:20 with a marijuana leaf in the background."
This seems to contradict some of the origin theories earlier in the article, which suggests dates after 1936 for the invention of the phrase (1970s, 1939, 1955, 1943). These cannot both be true. Can anyone confirm that there actually is a "brief subliminal flash" in Reefer Madness? Neilc 09:25, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
- Well, we could check - it's a free download. Reefer Madness. Trollderella 19:49, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
Sourcing of info
Many elements of this page were lifted verbatim, without attribution, from Phish.net. That source is listed at the bottom as an external source, but that doesn't justify or permit the wholesale taking of many many copyrighted sentences. Airumel 21:44, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
4:20 or 4/20?
I've alwaays heard 420 as being the day pot smokers smoke more pot than usual, rather than the time they smoke. I've also only ever heard it as being a sort of celebration of Hitler's birthday. Just thought I'd comment. User:ACupOfCoffee/sig @ 08:49, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
- I believe 4:20 to be the older form. Also, although weight is given to the San Rafael theory here, I believe the term dates from the thirties (prior even to the H. P. Lovecraft quote), and will update when I have a good citation. -SM 20:00, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
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Home Economics
I've always heard 420 referred to being connected with cooking. Where the recipe calls out "put in oven at 420(deg) and bake" Anonymous 'Baker' 22:55 23,December 2005