Big cleanup
This page has been usurped by a Clinton operative intent on misrepresenting various facts relating to the biography of whistle blower Peter Paul. Facts regarding Paul's incarceration in 1979, e.tg. Paul served an eight year sentence, are not accurate. He ultimately served a 5 1/2 year sentence with six months served on furlough doing intelligence work for the government. So, how long did he really serve? These facts are unknown by Uucp and should be disputed- along with most of the other negative characterizations of Paul. uucp admitted he has not done the research necessary to corroborate his statements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Franklyn2 (talk • contribs) [1]
Much of the text on this page clearly came from Paul or somebody close to him, and it was *very* POV. I've cleaned it up as best I can, and I encourage others to made further passes over the material. Uucp 18:26, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
- Interesting that another anonymous account is back at work, adding praise for Paul to the page, deleting my comment above from the Talk page, and attacking Paul's apparent enemies. Peter? Is that you? Uucp 15:20, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
UUcp is clearly a Clinton operative interfering with the posting of corrections to false statements and characterizations placed on this site. As far as a POV issue, there is no reason to place the fact that Peter Paul is a convicted felon in the first sentence of his bio. Do you see that on Armand Hammer's site or George Soros' site? They were convicted felons along with Tim Allen, Don King and Roger Clinton, yet that fact is not included in the introductions to their bios. All corrections being made to the false statements posted by UUcp are being removed and we protest that to the wikipdeia administrators!!! User:Franklyn212:08 21 January 2006 (UTC)
- Just to get this out of the way first: Let's stick very narrowly to finding ways for improving this article. Trading accusations won't accomplish anything, except poisoning the overall climate and making constructive debate that much harder. Please assume good faith — we need everyone's help to improve this article and to make it conform to the usual standards of verifiability and neutrality, so let's not make that harder by assuming that others don't share these goals.
- That said, I think Franklyn2 has a valid point regarding the lead sentence. I wasn't convinced that Tim Allen or Don King are comparable, but then I realized that it gets needlessly complicated: we probably won't find any precedent that we can all agree is comparable to PFP. However, it's still constructive to look at articles on other people who have been involved in scandals or convicted of crimes. Without trying to invite a comparison, while checking out sources from the 1980s I was reminded of Michael Milken. Have a look — I think that article does a better job of dealing with the POV issues. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 05:53, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Open questions
2. What precisely was his involvement in the Stan Lee check-kiting scandal; was he charged with crimes there? How was the case resolved?
3. Has he been involved in any legitimate business since the death of Stan Lee Media?
4. Why did he switch his loyalties from the Republican Party to the Democratic Party?
5. A discussion of how the cocaine conviction was connected to the 1979 fraud conviction -- from early versions, this page has claimed they were related.
6. Basic background -- where is he from, where did he go to school, marriages, etc. Uucp 13:32, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Chronological formatting
The chronological formatting dates to early, very POV versions of this page. I think the story would be much easier to follow if more conventionally organized. I will get to this when I have a chance, but I invite others to take a crack at it (other than the crowd of sock puppets who have been vandalizing the page). Uucp 18:42, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Fact checking
Freedoms Foundation at Valley Forge
I've removed the following passage:
- "[PFP] was awarded the George Washington Honor Medal from the Freedoms Foundation at Valley Forge for his programs."
The reason is that I cannot find any indication that this is true. I've checked the Freedoms Foundation's website, and cannot find any mention of PFP. If anyone can find a source, please post it here. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 05:17, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
1979 conviction
How long was PFP sentenced to jail for the 1979 crimes? Early versions of this page said 8 years, but the recent wave of sock puppets have changed it to five and a half. (originally posted by Uucp, moved here during refactoring)
- I think we need to distinguish between two issues: What was the sentence? How much time did he actually spend in prison? Needless to say, we need sources for both. Information on sentencing will probably be easier to find. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 05:33, 28 January 2006 (UTC)