Talk:Jake Gyllenhaal
Picture
How come the main picture has changed? I think it would be better if the main picture was an updated one such as the one that was used before changed. I didn't see the point in the picture change.
- There should be some standard if shots from movies or publicity shots should be used on actors pages.
Sexuality
- It strikes me that people will continue to put up Toothy Tile and gay rumors about Jake until TT is revealed as someone else, or Jake comes out. I have readded the TT stuff, though stripped it a bit, since someone took it off without explanation. (bizarre given they added stuff about him dating Austen Nichols). But I think what might be the easiest thing to do is produce a special article putting for and against the case for Jake's sexuality, as that is really the contention on this page. Personally, I would like an objective view of both sides, as it takes hours going through all the gossip sites...
- Dev920 17:57, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
- I have tried to compromise on this. Only the barest information is now up though TT has been almost totally confirmed as Jake, could the reverters please at least give their reasoning as to why they keep removing it?Dev920 22:10, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
- Well, 89.48.8.103? Why did you remove it? Again? Dev920 20:34, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
I say the stuff that got taken out was hard to understand. Even after I went to Ted's website, it was difficult for me to figure out what the articles on Toothy were even supposed to be. I am not the one that took this stuff away, but keep in mind- wikipedia is not a crystal ball. That's one of the rules. So some other news institution can say "Jake is the guy Ted Casablanca won't stop talking about" and then wikipedia can talk about that news institution's crystalball-ness, but it's against the rules to synthesize these sorts of predictions ourselves. 66.41.66.213 18:16, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
...even if the public (and I use that term loosely) believe it to be true? Like saying "it is generally accepted that..." as a reason for its inclusion in the article? The other thing to think about is verifiability. We can certainly verify that people think Toothy Tile is him but nobody can prove it is him. Is that reason enough to include it? TehQ 02:01, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Please look up wikipedia guidelines for verifiability. I could "verify" that some people think snakes with bowties are cool in blogs or otherwise, but it would take a certain kind of reliable source, like say a newspaper, to verify that fact to wikipedia standards. Of course there are obvious things similar to snakes with bowties being cool that would be annoying to verify by outside sources, but who thinks who is TT certainly is something that requires verifiability. You probably could find a magazine that speculated as to Jake being whateverwhatever, but then again maybe you couldn't. But the other issue is that for that whole thing to be included here would either be confusing for people who have never heard of ted casablanca or would include almost more information on the articles of ted than there is actual info on Jacob Gyllenhaal. Also "it is generally accepted that" and similar terms are discouraged on the guideline page titled "Weasel words". If only I could spell weasel. 66.41.66.213 05:54, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
Misc.
Bold textMy Favorite actor, can't wait for Brokback Mountain. Me either! It looks like it could be really good. Bremen 18:09, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I have heard that Jake did not break up with Dunst, but that they staged a break up because they wanted to escape the ppublic eye. They have since publicly reunited as they couldn't keep their hands off eachother in public so weren't fooling anyone.
any reason there is no picture of him up? Misterniceguy7 05:45, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
I was wondering the same... Maybe the previous one posted violated something? Or something??
Quote sourcing
- When asked of his thoughts on playing a character who falls in love with another man, Gyllenhaal admitted his own same sex attractions by openly stating every man goes through a period of questioning attractions for other men.
That's a rather strong statement. What is the source for this? What was the actual quote? -- Beland 04:24, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
I agree - sounds more like someone wishing same-sex attractions upon him. --172.142.42.241 06:19, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
- Um, no. It's verified here. As well as numerous other sites. Shall I source it in the article or...?
It sounds like the kind of thing Gyllenhaal would say. Most of the time in interviews he comes out with things you don't expect so....
Eric Foner his uncle or mother's first wife??
We need to sort this out! This article says "mother's brother" but the Eric Foner article says "mother's first husband." Somebody fix! I don't have time to Google right now. Moncrief 00:43, 27 January 2006 (UTC) Update: Google shows many more hits for his relationship being that of uncle, so I fixed the Foner article. If people have other information, use the talk page there. Moncrief 00:46, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
"First wife??"??? No, but try first husband.
Eric Foner is the ex-husband of Jake's mom, Naomi Foner, not her brother. He is not related to Jake at all, even though the fact that Jake attended Columbia, where Foner teaches, might suggest otherwise. The web pages that say they are uncle and nephew are mistaken, no matter how numerous they may be. As of today (2/24/06), the article on Eric Foner explains these facts correctly.
Maybe he is their mother's first husband but they refer to him as uncle? TehQ 22:24, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
He is her ex-husband, not her brother. I edited the article using a letter that Eric Foner wrote the Columbia Daily Spectator, in which he corrected them after they made the same error, as a source. Calindigo
meaning?
"He asked many questions, about which he expressed embarrassment during an interview on Tonight Show with Jay Leno." Amo 11:23, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Atticus
I've only ever heard of his dog being called "atticus", does it really share it's full name with Atticus Finch? Source? What about the other one? Amo 11:23, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
- The alsatian he rescued is called Atticus. His other dog is a Puggle called Boo radley. Naturally, it's named after the other main character. Dev920 01:12, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
- He stated the dogs' full names (Atticus Finch and Boo Radley) when asked by Ellen Degeneres in his interview with her in November 2005 though he tends to simply call them Atticus and Boo. TehQ 18:47, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Semi-protect
I've semi-protected article, due to an email about the barrage of editing about Gyllenhaal and Austin Nichols. Discuss it out here, before any content goes into the article. Remember, we are not the Enquirer. -- Zanimum 21:41, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
- I think an unreferenced tag on the private life section would do us all some good. When people edit articles that aren't historical or about microbes, people tend to think that the same standards don't apply. Due to disputes like this, the standards should apply all the more. We should reference where we get things. Even non-controvertial stuff is often hear-say or made up but plausible. Lets all learn from this. Neutral point of view doesn't mean we exclude points of view, it means that we mention them and cite them appropriatley, which keeps the article itself NPOV. We are not the enquirer in that we must cite what notable sources our demonstrably notable rumors come from. Most of what people put up here has something to it that is arguably notable, unless there's some wiki guideline on the notability of tabloid rumors that I'm missing. In any case, yes, the way that these have been put up doesn't quite hash with policy. See the links in this tag:
66.41.66.213 03:40, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
- I think an unreferenced tag on the private life section would do us all some good. When people edit articles that aren't historical or about microbes, people tend to think that the same standards don't apply. Due to disputes like this, the standards should apply all the more. We should reference where we get things. Even non-controvertial stuff is often hear-say or made up but plausible. Lets all learn from this. Neutral point of view doesn't mean we exclude points of view, it means that we mention them and cite them appropriatley, which keeps the article itself NPOV. We are not the enquirer in that we must cite what notable sources our demonstrably notable rumors come from. Most of what people put up here has something to it that is arguably notable, unless there's some wiki guideline on the notability of tabloid rumors that I'm missing. In any case, yes, the way that these have been put up doesn't quite hash with policy. See the links in this tag:
User constantly editing this page
I sent an abuse mail to Wikipedia, complaining about two specific users. Both users should be blocked from Wikipedia since they are constantly editing actual facts from different articles including Austin Nichols, Sophia Bush and Jake Gyllenhaal. I'm a bit fed up with these childish fan war games since this is an encyclopedia and not your private Jake Gyllenhaal fan site message board. Please, take your relationship rumors and fanatic link removal there and leave those people alone who want to add CONFIRMED facts. Don't forget this is not a playground. People are using these sites for their research.
To those who keep adding unfounded speculation to this and Austin Nichol's page: STOP. IF you want to guard a celebrity's homosexuality, guard one who is openly gay, not one you wish to be gay. 24.137.111.194 09:37, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
Okay seriously
The people adding rumors have generally been not conforming to wikipedia standards BUT! I think the talk page should address this question: Is stuff from the Inquirer notable? Arguably so. Now, it's somewhat unkind and untasteful to reproduce some of the garbage that they print. But would someone be out of place in saying "Celebrity gossip rags like the inquirer rumor actor X secretly wants to kill pop star Y" with a link or a citation to the article? Perhaps not. While it isn't a reliable or trustworthy source, it is arguably a notable primary document. Wikipedia encourages the use of primary documents. But of course, we could avoid the question entirely by collectively not being sleazy and not talking about what the inquirer talks about. But people who feel the exclusion of sleaze violates neutral point of view? I say, if that's how you feel, post and cite something and we'll have a talk about it. 66.41.66.213 03:18, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Wrong Information
Jamie Lee Curtis is NOT his godmother,in the news article you can link to it also states that Paul Newman gave Jake his first driving lesson Jake has since said this is not true so the article linked to below is not factual.
YES, she is: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4587788.stm
I've also added stuff about Kirsten Dunst. They did breakup in 2004 and were on-off again for a while, but he broke up with her for good in 2005. (Jake's response to a question about her in the Ellen interview would seem to confirm this). Whether Jake is now either single or with Austen Nichols is questionable, but he is definitely NOT with Dunst. Dev920 08:39, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I have to say, I agree that the link provided is not entirely credible... however I looked into it a little and actually found that imdb.com also states that she is his godmother... http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000130/bio Misterniceguy7 04:41, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
- You think the BBC is not a credible news source? Dev920 16:19, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree the godmother information should stay since its referenced in a lot a articles on-line but I should add I cant find any where Jake saying Jamie lee Curtis is his godmother. Can anyone else find Jake or Maggie talking about their godparents on-line. Stevenscollege
I have been looking but talking about your godmother is admittedly an odd thing to do in an interview, so it is unlikely he would say it. However, I have commented on a blog I know Jake reads asking him to mention it in his next interview, so maybe he will :)Dev920 16:19, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Friends?
The paragraph about being friends with his co-stars after filming ends is speculation so I changed it. How do we know who any of his friends are I dont see the point of this section.
Pointless Information
All this talk about the roles he was up for and the reason why he didnt get them I dont think is relevent for an encyclodepia entry, too gossipy.
agreed
i agree i think that talking about how incredibly sexy he is and how he should be naked like all of the time would be so much better!
Keep the websites down
While there obviously needs to be some website links, there is no need to deluge an encyclopedic entry with every page. I think the current list suffices. And I also think that the speculation as to if the blogs are read is pointless and driven by gossip. Deleting. 24.137.111.194 03:45, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
That would be why I added so many links - it is not gossip to link to a site that shows the publisher of Stephen Gyllenhaal admitting that both he and his son read iheartjake and Jake Watch. It was precisely because I wanted to show this fact that I added so many links in the first space, to verify everything in the paragraph.
It is also not pointless if Jake DOES read fansites and blogs. I think people would be unlikely to put up the lurid and explicit stuff that they do if they genuinely thought Jake was reading. Indeed, what IS gossip is the suggestion that Jake shaved off his beard because so many of his fans posted that they hated it. I did not add this because this IS unconfirmed speculation, even though I think it is likely.
For the reasons above, I'm going to revert the paragraph. If you would like to take me up on what I have written, please go ahead. I would love to have a reasonable discussion with you. Too many people on this page just revert each other's stuff without ever explaining why.Dev920 08:48, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Gossipy Informatiom
I dont like this new paragraph above selected filmography. Jake reads blogs, really!!!! I wonder what else he does online, I wonder if he edits this biography, either way, I dont care its totally irrelevent this is an ENCYCLOPEDIA not the imdb message board. This gossip will be dealt with.