Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Durin and fair use image removals
General Removal without a message on the talk page
I have not been involved with During's removal of fair use. However I would like to comment that the first person who removed a fair use image from may page and what I would sugest to all people Policing Fair use.
That user (Ed) did not leave a message on the talk page. It is Suggested that you leave a message on the talk page, however that user claims it would take too long to leave a message. I think it is wrong to not even leave a notice on the users talk page. This User is Constantly being harassed by Everyone because he refuses to take the Initiative and Explain himself up front.
If you are removing fair use images from user space the user should be informed not to put anymore on their user space and they should be notified of where the their image was removed so that they can start to look for a replacement. Although our subspace is not ours we have some personal connection to it and we want to feel some level of control over what happens to it. Maybe not what we want but at least a notice so we know what is going on there.
It would be great if a user who removes a fair use image find a replacement. That way the person can say “I’m sorry I had to remove the fair use image but Wikipedia content has to be available under a free noncommercial license so others can replicate our work and I tried to find a replacement image, I’m sorry” Instead off “you are the 100th Fair use image I removed today and I don’t have time to Explain myself to Everybody. I don’t care about you”.
I think it should be required that if a users is removing the same image from multiple pages that they attempt to find a replacement and switch the images instead of removing the images and having each individual user find the replacement themselves. However I Feel is should Definitely be Policy to Require a message on the talk page of a user for edits to that user space. I was not informed the first time so it set my interactions with the Fair use remover off on the wrong foot. I think we should make a level 0 Good Faith Warning template Informing users abut the reasons behind the fair use policy such as described on Wikipedia:Image copyright issues for dummies.
From my experience with somebody Else that user removes fair use images according to policy but never explains the policy to anybody so a portion of the pages he edits has a huge backlash of confused editors who are told that the user has time to remove fair use but not respond to the people he removes fair use from. I had to find out about the fair use policy rational by myself. It makes since but if a user can’t explain it write they will have to waste a lot of time dealing with angry editors. Another issue is this user is coastally being criticized so he/other admits protecting him are out of patience and very quick to assume bad faith and block editors who are simply asking for and explaining along with the disruptive ones.
Please make a level0 good fait template and require the Fair use Police to Drop it on the User’s talk page. If the user has fair use images They probably don’t know they are not allowed to and a simple note would have them remove it themselves. I actually thing you guys should only leave the note and let them remove the images themselves.
When I dial with vandalism I leave a warning on their talk page and I check their contributions to undo other vandalism. I even go into the talk page history to make sure they have not been warned before. Many Wikipedia’s start out assuming that Copyrighted work isn’t allowed to be uploaded so as long as you don’ upload the image your good. It isn’t like you are Reproducing the work. The work has already been placed on the Wiki. Because of this Misunderstand we need to be careful to assume these are Good faith editors and we need to
- PS I Wrote thi wole latter Right now Specifically for this talk page. This Is not a Copy Past Boilerplate message. I took the time to leave a personalized letter. Please bother to leave the time to leave some mesae. By not leaving a message on a talk page you are belong Uncivil and Baid Faith. It is a Direct Violation of WP:Bite.
I have not Interacted with this user at hand but I feel this comment applies to Everybody removing Fair use images without leaving a message.--E-Bod 21:07, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace has a lot of templates about uploading Copyrighted images however not a single on one misusing fair use images.--E-Bod 21:15, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- To place a message on a user's talk page would double the effort required to remove fair use image violations as there would be one edit for the removal, another for the talk page message. I leave a detailed edit summary showing the policy that covers the removal, and linking to a highly detailed page. Interstingly, that page addresses why finding a replacement is not done. If I were to have to find a replacement for every image I removed, the time cost to remove such images would be enormous.
- I fully recognize that it would be nice to have a message left on the user's talk page. But, the reality is it is too time consuming to do so when you're doing dozens of these removals. It takes enough time as it is to remove them. I have long felt that a more optimal solution would be to have a bot take care of these removals as a bot could do the removals and place a notification without incurring the human-time cost of doing so. I've made inquiries to get a bot made for this purpose to no avail as yet.
- As a compromise measure to this, I monitor removals that I make. If I find a user reverts the removals, then I undo the reversion and then communicate directly with the user. Since the number of reversions is very small compared to the overall effort, this keeps efficiency high while keeping Wikipedia in compliance with copyright law.
- In sum, for the forseeable future I don't see a strong enough justification to double my effort to perform the same task. --Durin 21:29, 5 June 2006 (UTC)