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Proposals, June 2006

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{{Multi-stub}}

About a month ago, on Polish Wikipedia I propose a use of stub witch could graphicaly combine fue stubs used in one article. The proposal passed and now on Polish Wikipedia we have a Tamplate call Unistub (for "Unification", or "Unity"). Example of using it on Polish Wikipedia:

As you can see, we do not have {{musician-stub}}, or{{historian-stub}}. Instead, we use: 

{{Unistub|||biography|history}}

But I think that this kind of Multi-stub can be useful also on English Wikipedia. Example of using on English Wikipedia could be this article, where instead of two stubs, where could be be one like this: 

{{Multi-stub|||history|battle|Africa|British}}

And text simular to: 

This article is a stub related to history, Africa, Great Britain and battle. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it.

would apear (exact that kind of text would appear, is a topic of its own). Egon 06:35, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

MOST STRONGLY AND VIOLENTLY OPPOSE. This and similar attempts to produce a multi stub have been suggested many times in the past, and always rejected for the reason that they have the capability of completely destroying the ability of Wikipedia's servers to cope. If it was a good idea, we would have implemented it previously. We haven't because of its potential for causing the whole of Wikipedia to crash. I would MOST STRONGLY RECOMMEND that you instantly delete any multi-stubs you have on the Polish wikipedia. Any metatemplate used on more than a few thousand articles has the ability to slow down the servers - any editing of it can cause severe server problems. for this reason most templates which are used on more than about 2000 articles are protected from editing. Multi-stubbing would use a metatemplate that, if implemented and used on all stubs articles which require more than one stub, would see them used on hundreds of thousands of stubs.
As it happens, even if it was safe to use for technical reasons, it still wouldn't be particularly useful unless you could guarantee that every editor using it knew the correct names of all stub categories and could spell correctly. Take the examples suggested above. There would be nothing to stop one editor writing
{{Multi-stub|||history|battle|Africa|British}}
another one writing
{{Multi-stub|||history|battles|African|United Kingdom}}
and others wriring writing
{{Multi-stub|||historical|battle|Africa|UK}}
{{Multi-stub|||hist|battel|Africa|Britain}}
{{Multi-stub|||African history|battle|Great Britain}}
{{Multi-stub|||history|battles and wars|Africa|Great britian}}
{{Multi-stub|||historic|warfare|Africa|GB}}
and so on. We'd end up with ten or more possible categories rather than one neat category. We'd have categories for the US, USA, United States, United states, US of A, United states of America, America, American, United States Of America, United States of America, U.S., and U.S.A. - and that's assuming no spelling mistakes.

Grutness...wha? 13:06, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Ok, so puting in other word: You issued two problems:
  1. Technical efficency
  2. Misspeling, or in correct naming

Ad.1 Similar attempts to produce a multi stub have been suggested many times in the past.- I wasn't there so please allow me to say fue things. I don't try to make a ready to use, for any porpose, and any situation stub. I know if it would be possible, it already would be done (hmm, ok. Maybe it would be done :) ). But porpose of Multi-stub is not to be the substytute for all kinds of stubs.

I see using Multi-stub in articles there for some reason a 2, or 3 normal stubs are puted. Now tell me: how much articles can it be? It could be a fue hondred, but "a few thousand"? I don't thinks so. And to say more: there is also solution for a "fue thousand uses". On Polish Wikipedia from time to time, I will scan (whit a Bot) which combinations of categories are the most offen, and for that partical cobinations of categories I will propose a new stub. I think it can solve the technical problem you are tolking about.

Ad.2 On Polish Wikipedia we sovled this problem, by ading extra Template. Porpose of this extra Template was to change gramatical case into correct form, but it's (by the way) checking for correct naming of categories.

Egon 15:34, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

United States financial services company stubs

Exact name of the template and category will depend upon the result of the SFD proposal to do rename the parent template and category, but Stub Sense lists over 100 stubs in {{bank-stub}} of the first 1000 articles that are in Category:Financial services companies of the United States. Caerwine Caerwhine 05:32, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

{{US-publish-bio-stub}} / Category:United States publisher (people) stubs

Over 60 stubs available to b placed here. Not needed at this time if sorting out Category:Publisher (people) stubs were all that mattered since it will leave less than 60 stubs in that parent, but it is definitely need to sort out its other parent, the overlarge Category:United States business biography stubs. Caerwine Caerwhine 05:22, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

{{editor-stub}} & Category:Editor stubs / {{US-editor-stub}} & Category:United States editor stubs

Whilst sorting thru the publishing stubs, I've encountered quite several about editors rather than publishers that were given {{publish-stub}} either with or without {{writer-stub}} or a descendant. These sorts of stubs aren't really publishers, altho there are some publisher-editors, so {{publish-bio-stub}} isn't appropriate. Given the size of Category:Editors and its subcategories, I'm confident enough to propose Category:Editor stubs without doing a stub census and given the overlarge size of Category:United States writer stubs of proposing the US subtype. Caerwine Caerwhine 19:32, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Novella stubs

There are currently stub tags for full novels and for short stories, but there doesn't appear to be any for novellas. These are considered a different animal than short stories and novels, so it's not really correct to list them as such. Thoughts? 23skidoo 15:42, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm doubtful that there will be 60 of these. Category:Novellas has all of 18 articles at present. We also have the problem of distinguishing them from other forms. While various competeive awards do so based on word count, they don't agree on what the range is. Caerwine Caerwhine 19:32, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Considered by whom? I say sort 'em either as "short stories" or as "novels", depending on their best-known form of publication. As CW says, definitions by length are far from from standardised, and if we go with the Hugo ballot defs, we'd also be needing "novelettes". Alai 20:44, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
So you're saying short stories and novellas are the same thing. If that's the case, why are there categories separating them? (BTW I'd be adding at least 20-30 titles to the novellas from the Simon Templar series alone). 23skidoo 00:48, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm saying that where a novella is published as part of a collection of stories, the distinction is far too debateable, and far too unimportant, to be worth bothering with. The (permanent) categories make all sorts of fine-grained distinctions that are pretty unrelated to primary notability, and more to the point, likelihood of expansion. Splitting by genre is a much better idea, on both grounds. Alai 02:56, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Samurai stubs

A good portion of articles in Japan-bio-stub seem to be samurai; checking the main category is consistent with this. It's one of the more oversized bio stubs. Crystallina 02:32, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Construction

I'm looking for an appropriate category for the article "Handing" and can't find one. Shouldn't there be a construction-related article stub? Or maybe Home Improvement-related stub? Aplomado talk 07:47, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I've given it an architecture-stub for now, which isn't really right, but close. There was talk a while ago about dividing up the architecture stubs into building types, building features, and building terms, but I don't think it ever happened - if it does then this would go into the building terms section well enough. Grutness...wha? 12:14, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Deserts

A dry topic perhaps... I'm creating a stub for missing article "Desert Exploration" and I don't think there's a suitable stub category. Explorer-stub seems really for individuals rather than a general topic. Dessert-stub as you would expect is for the sticky stuff not the dry stuff. It seems that with the increasing desertification of our good old planet, a desert-stub may be useful? Or if an existing stub is appropriate please let me know. May your wells run forever... Stevensims 05:36, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I'd be extremely surprised if there were 60 stubs relating to deserts, especially since actual desert locations are marked with whatever country's geo-stub is appropriate. As to a stub for this particular article, it's probably better to think in terms of an {{exploration-stub}} to parallel the explorer-stub, since there are likely to be quite a few stub articles on things relating to exploration that aren't thoroughly covered elsewhere. There could well be enough for such a split. Grutness...wha? 06:36, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

French and Italian sportspeople

I count 60-odd of each of these in the country-bio-stubs alone, and they each already have two subtypes-to-be. Not too urgent for the Italians, but the French are oversized. Alai 02:26, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Category:Company by country stubs

With all of the subtypes of Category:Company stubs and the fact that we are now splitting by two axis, a holding category for the by country axis similar to the main category Category:Companies by country would seem advisable. Caerwine Caerwhine 22:04, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Creole Entertainers

{{Oceania-stadium-stub}} & Category:Oceanian stadium stubs

With the creation of Category:South American stadium stubs, when I populated it, I also did a count of the stubs that remained in Category:Stadium stubs There is no country among the stubs I just sorted that has over 60 stadium stubs. The two biggest were Brazil at 51 stubs and Australia at 42. However, if you also add in the rest of Oceania to Australia, there are 82 stubs. The stadium stubs are just under 200 and Oceania structure stubs is just under 100 (the Australian structs are separated out) so there's no urgency to this, but if there's any support, now would be a good time to attend to this. Caerwine Caerwhine 03:57, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

{{Argentina-writer-stub}} & Category:Argentine writer stubs

I've just gone through nearly every single article in Category:Writer stubs trying to sort them by country. I noticed that the most common double-stub is {{writer-stub}} + {{Argentina-bio-stub}}, so it probably has enough to get its own stub. I don't know how to go and count them except by hand, but I'm sure there are more than 60. Amalas =^_^= 14:25, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Doing a "both ways" count (of the writer-stubs in some sort of Argentine people category, and the Arg-bio-stubs in some sort of writer cat, as distinct from the one-way counts I've cited below) I get 66, so support. Alai 17:28, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

forensics speech and debate

  • New stub pertaining to forensics speech and debate.(64.8.81.126)
There are only 23 articles in Category:Forensics speech and debate; even if they're all stubs that's not really enough to reach threshhold. You have to go all the way to Category:Communication before you find a stub category ({{comm-stub}}). How about {{speech-stub}}? That could be a sub-cat of Category:Human communication, Category:Oral communication, and/or Category:Public speaking. Just a thought. ♥ Her Pegship♥ 17:55, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
support: I started looking with National Forensic League and following all the links I could, I found over 75 (when I stopped counting) that would fit such a stub. They include organizations, annual tournements, events, strategies, how points are awarded and the like. I've pondered trying to start a project to fill these out and add more. Still to be given adequate treatment may include articles on judging, several events not mentioned, many state-wide organizations, etc. In short, I think we need something, but I'd go with just {{speech-and-debate-stub}}.--CTSWyneken 18:45, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
75 articles with what scope, exactly? If this is to cover all forms of debating and public speaking, that should be made as clear and explicit as possible: I'd never come across the "forensics" terminology before (which I'm guessing is a USism). What would the stub category name be? Alai 21:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I agree that the term forensic should go, as you have suggested. The scope of the stubs I counted would be something like: articles related to speech and debate societies and competitions they sponsor. These stubs are for US state level High School competitive speech and debating tournements, the events they sponsor, the culture surronding them, University level speech and debate organizations, strategies taught, criteria for judging, etc. If I had my preference, the stub would be {{Speech-and-debate-stub}} --CTSWyneken 13:14, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
That's clear enough, though the template name's more than a little awkward. What about Category:Debating and public speaking stubs, with templates (or at least redirects) {{speech-stub}} and {{debate-stub}}. Alai 19:08, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
That sounds like a plan to me, but do we want a cat with just a few stubs? Since I'm a newbie at wiki stubs, I want to learn how things usually are done at this Project. --CTSWyneken 23:57, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Stubsense is back! [1] It finds a fair number of possibilities, but they're a motley-looking bunch. It might be a plan to create just the template initially, upmerged to Category:Communication stubs, and then split out fully if and when it hits 60. Alai 00:29, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Great! I'll do that. Should I wait for a few days to see if other comments come in, or should I go ahead? --CTSWyneken 02:13, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Generally, it is better to wait for at least a week after placing the proposal before you proceed and create what you proposed (assuming it had support) (so 21st June, go ahead!). For what its worth though, I also Support your proposal for this work. Best of luck. Thor Malmjursson 12:22, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

{{sf-story-stub}} & Category:Science fiction short story stubs

Currently there is some difficulty with Category:Science fiction books stubs wherein many of the articles are actually about short stories or collections of sf. It also appears that of the Category:Story stubs and Category:Short stories, many would also fall into this category. Can anyone check the numbers on this? CatScan is down and I don't know what other tools would work. Cheers, ♥ Her Pegship♥ 00:57, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Hrm, spot the stray plural in that stub type (hence the redlink); should be renamed, once the whole books vs. novels thing is sorted out. Doing a lightning(ish) off-line impersonation of CatScan, there seems to be an overlap of 85 between Category:Science fiction books stubs and Category:Short stories and subcats. I've no idea of those are stories as such, anthologies, or combinations thereof. Not exactly an urgent-looking split, either way. Alai 01:30, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

{{anthology-stub}} & Category:Anthologies stubs

The parent category is currently sparsely populated, but I can guarantee you it would be filled quickly if there were a stub type, for reasons related to the sf-story-stub issue. A lot of those sf-book-stubs are anthologies, as well as many articles currently lurking under lit-stub. ♥ Her Pegship♥ 00:57, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

  • do we need to specify anthology-book-stub, so as not to get "Best of" albums added to the category? Grutness...wha? 01:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
    • I'd at first stab think not, but I might be biased, as I'd call those "compilations" rather than "anthologies". All the same, I vote for "give it a whirl without, and provide negative reinforcement as necessary". Alai 01:35, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
      • I tend to think of albums with tracks by many artists compilations, and those with tracks by just one artist anthologies. But perhaps that's just me. Grutness...wha? 14:46, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

{{Comics-writer-stub}} & {{Comics-artist-stub}}

{{Comics-creator-stub}} and {{US-comics-creator-stub}} (the latter created without consultation with WP:COMICS) contain 1092 stubs between them. The only reason to go with "creator" in the first place was due to doubts over sufficient stub numbers. While there will probably be a need to retain comics-creator-stub as a catch-all for letterers and editors, perhaps writer/arists, and as a supercategory to contain the two, it should be split, and US-ccs deleted (if there's going to be a later split by country - and it needs to be made clear whether it's by nationality of birth or by nationality of work - it should be subcats of cws and cas. I doubt the rump cat will have enough stubs) - SoM 22:03, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

  • sounds reasonable. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 00:21, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Good idea. Steve block Talk 12:44, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Support the new types. Strongly oppose deletion (or depopulation) of per-country types (I believe others have been proposed already, or would certainly be viable if not): I can see no reason for treating these occupations differently from every single other occupation, which get split by country when they're oversized, and otherwise just end up being double-stubbed, however sporadically, with often-oversized country-bio- types. Alai 16:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
  • The parent cat was already oversized (1000+) by the time of the US split, so if the wikiproject had some other scheme in mind, and were only concerned about finding 60 stubs for each, they were distinctly slow in speaking up. Does anyone really doubt that there will be the population for a US-<misc comics jobs>-stub type? Alai 16:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Will there be enough? Possibly. Will the parent cat be big enough to support being split (i.e., will it avoid falling beneath 60 itself). Probably not. Based on a glance, I expect that over 90% of the 1100 will fall into cws or cas. If you're going to split by country, SPLIT THEM!
    • And I didn't say WP:CMC had plans. I say you should have clued us in on your plans so we could raise objections or make suggestions at the time. Too much to ask? - SoM 22:14, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
      • If my arithmetic is correct, and leaving aside whether your estimate is, 10% of 1100 is comfortably over 60. Alai 23:24, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
        • 10% of 1100 (implicitly "less than". And the exact number was 1092) between two stubs, averaging 55 if you took it literally. I'll reply to the rest later. - SoM 23:47, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
          • If you could do so without (further) refactoring and re-signing my comments, I'd be much obliged. Between what two stub types? You said "the parent cat" (emph. mine (it not being in bold or all-caps, after all)). I thought you were referring to the undifferentiated "comics creators" who were neither "artists", or "writers", or more to the point, who were both, who'd remain in the parent category. Even in the event that this ends up being much smaller, it'd make sense to keep it to contain whatever number of such stubs there are, as well as the appropriate sub-types. At any rate, what we're disagreeing about is the deletion of a stub type, for which is not the correct venue, rather than the actual proposals, on which we're entirely in accord. Alai 00:07, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
      • (This is just a little too reminscent of alleged great ideas like splitting actors by medium, leading to several oversized per-media cats, and literally hundreds of articles being double-stubbed. Admittedly it's unlikely to be quite so bad, though by the time it gets to splitting the letterers, pencils and inkers, it could well be.) What do you mean, "if"? Splitting by country's already started, as you know; are you now saying they're insufficiently split by country? The two schemes can sensibly co-exist: much better than someone be double-stubbed as a US-comics-creator- and a comics-writer-, than as the latter, and a US-bio- or a US-writer, which is what motivated the original US split. You said that a single "creator" type was used only because of concerns about numbers: that seems a lot like a clain of intent to create separate types to me. And no, being informed isn't too much to ask (though some of the comments we get from wikiprojectarians does make me wonder why we'd ever bother), had I or anyone else thought of it at the time, but it's a bit much to take belated umbrage at the lack of same; the designated place for such proposals is here, and here it was indeed duly proposed. Alai 23:24, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

{{US-women's-hoops-bio-stub}} and Category:United States women's basketball biography stubs

Wow! What a mouthful... Anyway, after splitting hoopsbio into US-hoops-bio and everyone else, we found 7 pages of the former and just over 200 of the latter. So I was thinking of way to split up the former, and the only intelligent way I came up with was by gender. I counted, but there weren't quite 60 - so I had to find some unmarked stubs, and created a couple as well. Now there's either 61 or 62, assuming I got all of them, which is highly unlikely. Note: before an objection is filed, "women's" is used in the many cats covering lady BBallers. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 21:54, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

{{SierraLeone-stub}}

I think this would be a good stub. There are many Sierra Leone stubs under {{Africa-stub}} and many more that are unmarked. There might even be the possibility for a geo or bio stub once it is all sorted. (unsigned post by Thomas.macmillan)

  • how many? are there 60? if so support, if not wait until there are more. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 00:21, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
  • This may sound dumb, but how do i support? Should I list them or create a template? I am new to this, forgive me...--Thomas.macmillan 00:27, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
    • I think BL means, if there's 60, then she will support the type, rather than imperatively telling you to support yourself. :) A list might be good, though, if this is touch-and-go on size. BTW, had you in mind locations, non-locations, or both? Africa-stub is actually very small currently, I'd be very surprised if there's 60 non-geos; AfricaW-geo-stub is larger, but hardly massive. So it's by no means urgent, but it's always annoying to find there's no type for a country, so I support at least a {{SierraLeone-geo-stub}}, upmerged to the West Africa cat if undersized, as a separate category if there's 60. Alai 00:38, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
      • I just did a little checking for possible Sierra Leone stubs and, at a very basic level (and I believe there are many others that can be found and marked), I found well over 50 stubs. I can publish my list if need be. About half of these are geo-stubs. Sierra Leone certainly needs a huge expansion of articles though...the runner up in the 2002 presidential election, Ernest Bai Koroma, does not even have a stub yet! (unsigned post by Thomas.macmillan)
        • If there are that many, I'd support an overall SierraLeone-stub, though the geo-stubs should be double-stubbed with AfricaW-geo-stub - eventually there'll probably be enough for a separate geo-stub too, but not yet. Grutness...wha? 00:46, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
  • A lot of the African material is not tagged very well, 50+ sounds likely so Support (double-stubbed when relevant). Valentinian (talk) 12:42, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Support. If there are 50 stubs about this, they should be appropriately tagged. Green caterpillar 11:51, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

More artists-by-country

These I'm especially confident there's more of, given the whole "artist by type/medium" stub sub-hierarchy, too. Alai 17:58, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

More businesspeople-by-country

Counts on a similar basis to those below. Alai 17:51, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

More writers-by-country

The main writer-stub cat is still very oversized; here's some possible splits:

Counts are based on the writer-stub category, and country-based cats of some sort: I assume more lurk elsewhere. Alai 17:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

  • would dividing writers (and the other proposals that have been flooding this page) by continent help at all, especially for South America? Grutness...wha? 02:00, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
    • If you think this is a flood, have you checked the size of the oversized stub types backlog lately? We're likely to need many hundreds of new types before we're done (and at current rate of progress, or lack thereof, we'll never actually be anywhere near done). I'd have no objection to per-continent types where appropriate, but I don't have counts on that basis readily to hand, and doing so without hacking off the reasonably-sized countries first is likely to lead to categories that are multiple-page-listings from birth, which is highly suboptimal from a "double-handling" PoV. (I'm listing one-way counts over 30 on the basis that the other way 'round will often have just as many, without even considering stubs that aren't explicitly double-stubbed or otherwise categorised.) Alai 17:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I didn't see this before I proposed {{Argentina-writer-stub}} (see above). If nothing else, there should be a South America writer stub of some sort. Brazil has its own already and I'm sure Mexico and Argentina have enough for their own as well. Amalas =^_^= 14:28, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
  1. {{Ghana-bio-stub}} at least 60 under {{Ghana-stub}}, will get more as I sort the Africa-related stubs
  2. {{Morocco-bio-stub}} at least 65 under {{Morocco-stub}}, will get more as I sort the Africa-related stubs
  3. {{CotedIvoire-stub}} or similar see discussion below for naming. For list of stubs see User:Carabinieri/Africa#Ivory_Coast
  4. {{Guinea-stub}} For list of stubs see User:Carabinieri/Africa#Guinea
  5. {{Togo-stub}} For list of stubs see User:Carabinieri/Africa#Togo--CarabinieriTTaallkk 16:38, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

{{Balears-geo-stub}} proposal

I would like to propose a Balearic Islands geo stub, it is one of the few autonomous communities of Spain that has no geo stub. See [[Category:Spain geography stubs]]. I believe in this way there will be more consistency with these categories. They are as many balearic geo stubs as any of the other communities. --Francisco Valverde 14:40, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

  • If created, should be at {{Balearics-geo-stub}}, given that's clearly (the shorter version of) their common name in English. The template should probably be created for the sake of consistency, "upmerged" to the parent, but as there are <120 articles between the four remaining autonomous communities, viability of a split looks rather marginal (not to say, completely unnecessary for the same reason). Oppose a separate category until there's clearly demonstrated to be 60 actual articles. Alai 15:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
{{Balears}} is used in the general Balearic stubs, though...--Francisco Valverde 15:24, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
And shouldn't be, for the same reasons. That this type is unproposed and unlisted (as well as also being undersized) might have something to do with it. I'm even more strongly opposed to a separate -geo-stub category: last thing we need is multiple undersized cats for the same region. Alai 15:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, the table seems to have overturned in little time. You have convinced me for waiting to have 60 articles for a balerics-geo-stub. Perhaps we could just rename the Balears stub for Balearics??? But I do believe that the Balearic Islands should keep its stub template. --Francisco Valverde 16:51, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't see any point in deleting it entirely either; it could well grow. Worst case it should be upmerged, rather than deleted entirely. Alai 17:19, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
ive no objection to a {{Balearics-stub}} template but it should feed into the Category:Spain stubs for now. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 00:21, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Legendary Creature Stub Templates Proposal

The lengendary creature stub needs a template any suggestions? All I got to say about this one is ANYTHING BUT A DRAGON! I Probably should have discussed this when discussing the stub, but one I forgot and two my computer had been out of line. 7:37 AM - June 12, 2006 (UTC5) Tripodero

 

Like this perhaps? BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 00:21, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

  • mmm... not the clearest picture at small size. If you can decide on a creature, though, I could whip up an image for you easily enough (so long as it's a heraldic beast), similar to the dragon I made for myth-stub. Take your pick - Gryphon? Unicorn? Phoenix? I might try to make a little phoenix and add it here - watch this space... Grutness...wha? 02:03, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 
I like it. Valentinian (talk) 18:32, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
youre right its better than the unicorn which just looks like a horse when its that small. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 23:26, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Um, I already created the {{legendary-creature-stub}} template, as I saw that the category had been created but not the template; but it certainly could use an image! And I like the phoenix. ♥ Her Pegship♥ 00:42, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Pardon me for being no fun in the find-an-image contest, but isn't what it really needs, some articles? :) Alai 00:47, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

If you build it, they will come...<g> ♥ Her Pegship♥ 04:27, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, looks like enough of a consensus, the phoenix it is! Grutness...wha? 05:32, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Further splits of the US writers

Counts on the same basis; stub parent is the third 13-pager.

I suspect those with < 60 candidates will have many more elsewhere. Alai

Split of Category:Software stubs

Also enormously oversized; here's some counts of possible splits, based on permanent cat membership alone:

Alai 22:11, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Note that Category:Free software stubs is listed at WPP/D. There, I'm one of two or three people that argued that it's far more useful to split software bywhat it does than whether it's free or not - a view I still hold. Splitting by platform makes sense, but splitting out freeware's not a useful split IMO - splitting out graphics software, word processing software etc is far more sensible, and arguably has already started via things like cvg-stub. Grutness...wha? 00:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Makes sense in theory (and would also apply to the SourceForge suggestion), though the existing scheme isn't exactly going great guns, "judging by results". This one might be destined to stay enormous until someone gets their hands dirty and counts this down the hard way (or, the perm-catting gets better). Alai 23:23, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Category:Non-profit organization stubs

Org-stubs are enormously oversized; there's 56 of them that are also tagged in the permanent non-profit category, so I'm fairly sure this would pass 60 on a wider trawl. Alai 21:59, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

New Stub Catagory (reggae)

My bad! I didn't see this page before adding this one:Category:Reggae Stubs. Should I list it here, under discoveries, request it be deleted and propose? --CTSWyneken 14:10, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

  • It'll have to be deleted to be renamed to Category:Reggae stubs anyway, so if you have no objection, I'll go ahead and delete it now. Also note that stub categories also require a corresponding stub template. It was only used on a reggae album, for which there's an existing type, but if there's at least 60 reggae artists, groups, sub-genres, songs, etc (which there surely will be), it seems fairly logical to me. Alai 17:52, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Please do. I do not have much investment in it anyway, since I found it on a random article, cat and stub adding expedition. It was odd to me that we did not have a subcat off of Music Genre stubs. I'll do some searching and come back with a proper proposal. --CTSWyneken 18:20, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks; done. I can't think of any logical reason for not having something similar to this; sometimes we create the categories "bottom up" (reggae-band-stub, reggae-bio-stub, etc) before anyone thinks about a top-level category, but there's certainly no reason that has to be the case Alai 18:24, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

{{US-academic-leader-stub}} / Category:American academic leader stubs

{{US-academic-bio-stub}} is getting close to being overlarge and a fair number of these are for university and college presidents and other officials. I'm not at all sure about the name. The closest non-stub category is Category:American university presidents but as that category states, the guy in charge sometimes has another title such as chancellor, and I'd like this category to include others in school administrations that can't be pegged down to a single department. Caerwine Caerwhine 16:45, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Category:United Kingdom auto racing biography stubs

Getting around to creating and sorting to my earlier Euro- suggestion, there turns out to be about three times as many as my earlier count, and about 90 just in the UK. For the time being I'm tagging them with a UK- templating feeding into the European category. Alai 16:36, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

{{Mesoamerica-stub}} / Category:Mesoamerica stubs

Proposing this stub for articles relating to Mesoamerican topics and civilizations. This stub is associated with a WikiProject (WikiProject Mesoamerica), and there are easily 30-40 stub-candidates (for eg, more than half of the 60+ stubs currently in category:Pre-columbian stubs are Mesoamerica-related.--cjllw | TALK 12:41, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I've now created this stub & associated category, and begun to populate it (reached 75 articles so far). Will add to WSS/ST.--cjllw | TALK 15:06, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Two more musician types

On the basis of double-membership of the respective parent cats. Alai 03:45, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Beetles

It looks like a large number of insect stubs not already in one of the lower categories are beetles, so I'm going to propose {{beetle-stub}} SP-KP 16:23, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Sounds plausible, if non-urgent, to me. Alai 21:51, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Support. The insects consist of thousands of species and inevitably the number of stubs are going to grow as more enthusiasts add stubs. Unfortunately knowledge about each species/genus/aspect builds up slowly only and this is where stubs come into their role. Each order will always have a dynamic population of stubs. The Beetles are one of the largest groups and it should be no problem to list the desired sixty, in this case.AshLin 03:48, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Support Absolutely, there are nearly as many beetle species decribed as all the other insects put together, somewhere between 200k and 400K according to sources close at hand.. Maccheek 13:50, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Ice hockey biography split

I don't have counts, as stubsense and catscan are still down, and my offline hack is still grinding its way through the category hierarchy (don't even ask), but I'm going to take a wild guess that at least these are more-than-viable, given that the parent is at an ominous 9 listing pages:

I don't have any bright ideas for further splits: I'll leave a note at the appropriate wikiproject. Alai 15:03, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Oppose. Unnecessary, and there are at least six countries that have produced major numbers of hockey players, so splitting into Canada, US and "the rest" would be North Americo-centric.BoojiBoy 15:35, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
    • It's not "unnecessary": there are 9 listings page, for heavensakes. Nor is it in the least "North Americo-centric": I'm suggesting these, along with the already-proposed Category:European ice hockey biography stubs as the most obvious on size grounds, not and not necessarily as the only ones. And obviously I'm not suggesting a "rest of the world" type. But if there's another axis of split that makes more sense, I'm all ears. Alai 16:04, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Opposed as per BoojiBoy. Also, I would not support this until we have a definite number of articles which would be submitted to this stub category. Thor Malmjursson 12:25, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Support per nom. It is standard procedure to start creating sub categories for the countries we are certain will break the 60-stub barrier. Valentinian (talk) 19:22, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Strong Support. The fact that there are other countries that have produced hockey players that don't have the required 60 stubs to create a category is a terrible reason to not create a category for any country at all. If the smaller ones break the 60-stub barrier, they'll get theirs too. --fuzzy510 22:23, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

This fortnight's geo-stubs

There are only a couple that have reached threshold this time, but both pose some problems. Grutness...wha? 04:35, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Côte d'Ivoire

First up is Côte d'Ivoire. I'd favour {{CotedIvoire-geo-stub}} (no circumflex or apostrophe), but I'm open to suggestions for improvement. Grutness...wha? 04:35, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Seems illogical to go for the French name and not spell it correctly with the ô, but pragmatically it makes typing easier! --Runcorn 11:53, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Isle of Man

Second, we have the Isle of Man. Currently IoM geo-stubs are marked with UK-crown-geo-stub, along with those from the Channel Islands. There are two options here:

  1. create {{IsleofMan-geo-stub}} and leave the C.I. geo-stubs with {{UK-crown-geo-stub}}
  2. create {{IsleofMan-geo-stub}} and {{ChannelIslands-geo-stub}} and delete the then obsolete {{UK-crown-geo-stub}}

Personally I'd favour the latter, especially since there are now close to 50 Channel Island geo-stubs. Grutness...wha? 04:35, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Isn't it supposed to be {{IvoryCoast-geo-stub}} from what is written in a non-geo proposal below? The second option is the better one for the Isle of Man - Nomadic1 06:48, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
I was wrong, apparently. Since I started doing the geo-stub tallies a year ago WP's policy on the country's name seems to have reversed. To be honest, I prefer the French name, but it does make the stub template a problem. Grutness...wha? 10:53, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
For "policy", read "entirely ad hoc practice". Support as nom, but create a couple of likely-looking redirects so we don't get yelled at. (Sorry, to try to reduce the amount of yelling at us.) Alai 12:18, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the Isle of Man, the second proposal looks like a good idea. The only problem with the French name is that it will not be spelled in correct French. At least create a redirect from {{IvoryCoast-geo-stub}}. Valentinian (talk) 19:32, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm all in favour of a redirect there too. As for the French name, diacriticals are pain enough in computing without having them in templates too, but I'll make a redirect from {{Coted'Ivoire-geo-stub}} too. We have precedents for not using diacriticals in geo-stub templates before, I'm sure, with some of the French regional stubs. Grutness...wha? 00:05, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Sounds fine. It's not the templates' fault that French is impossible to spell. :) Well, English, French and Danish are all languages famed for being impossible to spell. Still not sure which language is the worst in this respect. (And if anyone were in doubt, yes: both French and Danish are also impossible to pronounce). Valentinian (talk) 21:21, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
  • IsleofMan-geo-stub, ChannelIslands-geo-stub, and CotedIvoire-geo-stub created, with redirects at Coted'Ivoire-geo-stub and IvoryCoast-geo-stub. Grutness...wha? 04:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

{{japan-stadium-stub}} / Category:Japan stadium stubs

I've got at least 60 of them sitting in Category:Asian stadium stubs, which is slightly larger after Category:Stadium stubs got sorted. Would obviously be a child of Asian stadiums. --fuzzy510 03:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

{{publish-bio-stub}} / Category:Publisher (people) stubs
{{publish-corp-stub}} / Category:Publisher stubs

These would be subtypes of the existing Category:Publishing stubs as well as of Category:Business biography stubs and Category:Company stubs respectively. The stub category names were chosen to match those of their non-stub parents Category:Publishers (people) and Category:Publishers. Both stub types would have over 60 stubs each and would serve to split up Category:Publishing stubs which is getting close to being overlarge. Caerwine Caerwhine 22:11, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. I've noticed any number of the former in bio-types. Alai 02:57, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Created along with {{publish-company-stub}} since y'all did a mass remane from -corp- to -company- while I was way from stub sorting. Caerwine Caerwhine 18:17, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

{{vegetable-oil-stub}}, Category:Vegetable oil stubs

There are over 60 of these to be written, listed in Talk:List of vegetable oils. Some that are already stubs include Peanut oil, Sesame oil (listed as ingredient-stub), Walnut oil. Others are redirects (Evening primrose oil, for example). ingredient-stub doesn't do it, because, by a wide margain, not all vegetable oils are used as food ingredients. I'd like to write stubs for most of those that are missing, but I'd like to have a better stub category before I dive in. Waitak 06:54, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

  • The normal criteria is 60 existing articles, but if you personally have clear-and-present intent to write that sort of number of stubs, I'd be inclined to wink at it. (I'd suggest initially creating a template only, and then a category after the articles exist, but I'm not sure where it'd point, for the reason you mention.) Alai 21:23, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I can't promise to write all of them, but I certainly intend to clear the bulk of them. If you add in the existing ones that are candidates for this stub category, I'm pretty sure it'll be in the ballpark. Waitak 00:19, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Opposed - Firstly, not everything in Talk:List of vegetable oils is a vegetable oil. EPA for example is actually an Essential Oil, since Evening Primrose is not a vegetable. Secondly, if the articles don't exist, the stub should not be sitting round until you have the time to fill it up! Nice try, no snowball from my half! Thor Malmjursson 12:30, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Category:Costa Rican protected area stubs

No, I wouldn't have thought so either, but seemingly there's 68 of these, on double-stub counts alone; oversized parent. Alai 03:27, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

{{SouthAm-stadium-stub}} / Category:South American stadium stubs

Forget about 60 - I can find 100 here without breaking a sweat. Just look at the "E"s - at least half of the venues that start with "Estadio" go in here. Potential parents down the line for Brazil and Argentina stadium stubs, but this is a start. --fuzzy510 02:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Footy-bio-stubs

Hello folks! :) I am not involved in WikiProject:Stub sorting but I think someone should count articles under {{Euro-footy-bio-stub}}, {{Asia-footy-bio-stub}}, {{Africa-footy-bio-stub}} and {{SouthAm-footy-bio-stub}}. Many Australians are also under {{Oceania-footy-bio-stub}}. I think a few new "country-footy-bio-stubs" could be created. Do you know some people who have a lot of free time and like to count? :) -- Darwinek 21:15, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

There are 518 stubs in Africa, so some subdivision would be useful. There are 116 stubs in Oceania, so if we took out Australia (probably most of them) the remainder would be a bit thin.--Runcorn 11:57, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Not too bad - at a quick glance there are over 30 New Zealanders in there, so with Pacific Island players there would probably be about 40 left in the Oceania category. If necessary I'm sure I could either find or make a few more to get it up to the required size. Grutness...wha? 12:21, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Note that many Australians are under "Asia-footy-bio-stub" since they were agreed to play in Asian zone again. - Darwinek 14:52, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

{{Czech-footy-bio-stub}}

I proudly present Czech-footy-bio-stub with 102 articles to be added here. -- Darwinek 09:17, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Strong support; Euro-footy-bio-stub urgently needs splitting up. --Runcorn 21:25, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Support from me, too. Grutness...wha? 12:21, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

{{US-record-label-stub}}, {{UK-record-label-stub}}

Record label stubs are oversized and these seem like the most natural splits. Crystallina 18:57, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

{{NHS-stub}} and Category:NHS stubs

This template was the subject of an earlier discussion - what a pity it was not publicised at the time that it was under consideration. It is very important for Wikipedia:WikiProject National Health Service. and we never knew that it was up for discussion. There are very many entries (130+); the project needs to keep track of them so we can arrange a tidy-up and expansion.

As a result of the disucssion it was renamed . However this is not really appropriate - NHS-stubs include such issues as legislation, reports, strategies, and other issues which could not be considered as 'medical organisations'.

Moreover, bear in mind that the NHS is the 3rd (or maybe 5th) largest organisation in the world. The WikiProject is trying to make some sense of it on Wikipedia. This means that a lot of stubs have been thrown up in a short time as we work out how to fill in the gaps. We are intending to start intensive work on the stubs soon; so the stubs have a functional purpose.

I apologise that appropriate procedures were not undertaken; and accept full responsibility for my ignorance at the time.I regret that it was not possible for myself or other members of the WikiProject on the NHS to participate in the earlier discussion; but please retain this very helpful tool, which I believe fits all the criteria for Wikipedia stubs.----Smerus 13:29, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand why these can't just be left in {{UK-med-org-stub}}. Even if this would mean that they would mixed with a few non-NHS stubs, I don't see the harm.--CarabinieriTTaallkk 14:06, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
  • (after edit conflict) I have a couple of minor concerns, though one of them is minor and the other one should (hopefully) cause no trouble. The first is that scoping the stub the way you propose isn't really in line with the way stubs normally are split up. Putting med-org stubs, law-stubs and other types of stub relating to the operation of the National Health Service is a little difficult, shall we say, though I dop understand the desire for it and I think on this one instance it's not too bad a move. There are certainly enough stubs (130 or so) and - on the face of it - if they were removed from the new UK medical organisation category that one would be virtually empty. The second concern is one that is more important from our point of view in stub sorting than from yours as a WikiProject, and that's the name of the category. NHS is all very well, but - as with all WP categories we try not to use abbreviations. We could probably get away with NHS-stub for the template (though UK-NHS-stub would possbly be better), but I'd personally far prefer Category:National Health Service stubs for the category, bringing it in line with both the main category and the topic article. The other option would be to leave the category as is - there are very few non-NHS stubs, so they wouldn't be in your way and they'd be easier for other editors to find. Sorry if I jumped up and down a bit about this one - hope no offence was taken - but all this could have been avoided if you'd read the instructions when setting up the WikiProject (have a look at the lines immediately above your edit here!) Grutness...wha? 14:13, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
As a user of the NHS-stub, I hadn't noticed that there was a promble with categories until now. While NHS is the name the organisation is known as to many people in the UK, using the full name National Health Service in the category title may be better for a worldwide audience. --kylet 09:55, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
I've come late to this discussion, but do feel it would be useful to have a dedicated category for these stubs so that we can work on them to expand them up to full articles. I'm fine with the full name National Health Service, although NHS is a/the frequently used acronym for the organisation by millions of people. — Rod talk 09:42, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
But you still haven't made clear to me why this stub type is even necessary. What would be the harm in keeping stubs related to the NHS in the {{UK-med-org-stub}}? Like I said, I understand that this would mean mixing them with a few non-NHS stubs, but what would be the harm?--CarabinieriTTaallkk 15:15, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Because firstly the NHS is a healthcare organisation, not a medical organisation ("medical" in the UK at least refers just to doctors, not to nurses, scientists, and other healthcare providers) and secondly, even if you broaden the definition to healthcare from "medical", you still don't capture NHS organisations that don't directly provide healthcare, such as strategic health authorities, special health authorities, and the numerous administrative national organisations such as the Health & Social Care Information Centre, National Workforce Projects, the Workforce Review Team, the National Programme for Information Technology, etc. etc. Thirdly, purely from the point of view of running the wikiproject, this category will be the only means we have of identifying NHS stubs. If they're mixed in with non NHS healthcare stubs, you'll be making our already very difficult task pretty much impossible. We're trying to write an encyclopaedia here, not squabble over petty policies. Not allowing an NHS stub category will be detrimental to the wikiproject and therefore detrimental to Wikipedia, whereas allowing it causes no difficulty whatsoever. I fail to see why you're so opposed to it - the impression you're giving is that you want to hamper our progress in improving Wikipedia just for the sake of it. Waggers 15:33, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

{{Hindu-text-stub}} and {{Hindu-temple-stub}}

Trying to shrink the Hinduism stub cat. It's huge. These are the most common stubs under the cat.--Dangerous-Boy 18:31, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

  • OK, three things: first, it's not "huge": 650 articles isn't even "oversized"; secondly, template names should end in "-stub", and not "-stubs"; and lastly, just how many are there of each? Simply "most common" tells us very little in absolute terms. Alai 20:54, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

{{amateur-radio-stub}} / Category:Amateur radio stubs

Stub articles for this proposal would be sourced from ...

This is 23 stubs at present, plus dozens of articles in the amateur radio category and subcategories that should be marked as stubs but currently are not.--Kharker 16:44, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

23 is not even close to the 60 needed (see the instructions at the top of the page). if you can find 60, let us know and well be more interested! BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 06:38, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I guess "dozens" was a little vague :-) Here's a more accurate accounting:
For at least 105 stub candidates.--Kharker 21:48, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

{{music-mag-stub}} / Category:Music magazine stubs

Stub articles for this proposal would be sourced from ...

... totalling 91 stubs. --Bruce1ee 14:36, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Editted the proposed category name slightly to follow the naming conventions for stub categories. I would be much more in favor of a country-based rather than a topic based split of Category:Magazine stubs, in the same manner as Category:Newspaper stubs is split. Caerwine Caerwhine 15:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Caerwine, I take your point, but what I'm really trying to do is depreciate {{music-stub}}. With a country split, music magazine stubs would need to be double-stubbed with {{country-mag-stub}} and {{music-stub}}, whereas with {{music-mag-stub}} they need only be single-stubbed, and would depreciate both {{music-stub}} and {{mag-stub}}. Perhaps a complete new stub category is required, say {{music-publication-stub}} (under "Music miscellaneous") that would include music magazines and books. --Bruce1ee 06:44, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

{{music-publication-stub}} / Category:Music publication stubs

This is an alternate proposal to {{music-mag-stub}} above for which concern was expressed, and will be placed under "Music miscellaneous". It will now include all music magazine and book stubs, totalling over 100. --Bruce1ee 05:55, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

  • Not sure now this addresses that concern, however. Personally I think I'd tend to favour the original (despite same). Alai 12:23, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
I prefer this proposal; not all publications are magazines! --Runcorn 21:39, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Even more country templates

also: {{DRCongo-stub}}, the first sixty I found (there are probably a lot more) are listed here.--CarabinieriTTaallkk 11:14, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
oops, apparently that already exists but doesn't have a cat and was never proposed. should I go to the discoveries page, or is it enough if i just proposed it here
{{Mali-stub}} looks like a good idea as well. It has two viable children (-geos and -bios) and a non-exhausting search came up with around 50 stubs. Valentinian (talk) 16:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
And support to all of them (slaps head). Valentinian (talk) 16:57, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Btw, any good ideas about what we should name the category for DR Congo? Valentinian (talk) 00:03, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
we have Category:Democratic Republic of Congo geography stubs so id go for Category:Democratic Republic of Congo stubs. BL Lacertae - kiss the lizard 06:38, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
You missed a "the". It's Category:Democratic Republic of the Congo geography stubs :) Grutness...wha? 08:07, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
It was a bit easier when it was just Congo-Kinshasa. Luckily, Côte d'Ivoire is still below threshold. Valentinian (talk) 23:52, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Heh... unfortunately, not for geo-stubs. it's going to be in the next batch of proposals (thankfully, I think WP style uses "Ivory Coast"). As for Congo, it was even easier when it was "Zaire". Grutness...wha? 02:23, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Ok, points to you. {{IvoryCoast-geo-stub}} sounds nice. Valentinian (talk) 12:23, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
err....well, it does, but sadly since I last looked the policy's apparently been reversed - hence the proposal for {{CotedIvoire-geo-stub}} above. :/ Grutness...wha? 10:50, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Whatever, we should have a stub. --Runcorn 21:38, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

More country templates

It looks like a lot of material has grown (or been tagged better.) A few more country-level templates seem to have reached threshold.

  • {{Benin-stub}} (no -geo exists): c. 100 excl. the geos. [2]
  • {{Burundi-stub}} (no -geo exists): c. 70-80 excl. the geos. [3]
  • {{BurkinaFaso-stub}} (no -geo exists): c. 130 excl. the geos. [4] How can a country this size have more than 60 political parties ????? I thought Danish politics was bad with around 8 parties. We could actually split them off as well !
  • {{Djibouti-stub}} ? (no -geo exists): just above 60 incl 19 geos. [5]
  • {{Liberia-stub}}: c. 120 excl. the geos. [6] A -bio is probably viable as well (54 politicians)
  • {{Liechtenstein-stub}} (no -geo exists): 61 incl. 15 geos. [7]
  • {{Luxembourg-stub}} is worth considering as well. It is below threshold (and stub sense is useless here since this part of the database is pure rubbish, but it has two viable children (-geos and -bios) so it might be worth a thought anyway. It is the same case with Mali, btw. I'll try to do a count of this one by hand.
  • {{Madagascar-stub}} (no -geo exists): c. 77 incl 36 geos. [8]
  • {{Namibia-stub}} (no -geo exists): c. 100 excl. the geos. [9]
  • {{SanMarino-stub}} (no -geo exists): 63 ? incl. a few geos. [10] (I've populated it a bit more, it is not shown here due to the database lag)
  • {{Senegal-stub}} (no -geo exists): c. 120 excl. the geos. [11]
  • {{Tonga-stub}} (no -geo exists): c. 60 incl. the geos. [12]

I've not scanned all obvious candidates since parts of the database is completely trashed. In short: some countries need to be counted by hand! The categories for Burma (Myanmar), Libya, Luxembourg, Mauritania, Tunisia, and Yemen look like examples of chaos theory. Valentinian (talk) 21:49, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

  • First a couple of corrections: there do indeed exist {{BurkinaFaso-geo-stub}} and {{Namibia-geo-stub}}. As to the support, yes, I support all of these, but especially the ones which already have geo-stub categories. I'm busy on the latest tally and several of the remainder (Benin, Burundi, Djibouti, Liechtenstein, Madagascar, San Marino, Senegal, and Tonga) might yet have viable geo-stub categories too, although some of them clearly won't. Grutness...wha? 01:28, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
My buff. I used copy-paste on the wrong line of text. I didn't notice any -geos reaching threshold but much material is probably not categorised properly. Valentinian (talk) 07:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Please excuse my creating the Africa-related stubs a few days early.--CarabinieriTTaallkk 15:43, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

{{research-policy-category}}

This is a proposal for a new category for articles about the policy and politics affecting learned research. As far as I know, there's only one article on this at present (see the Haldane principle stub) but this work which currently consumes about 2 per cent of GDP in the OECD countries and the category may help stimulate contributions. Alternatives might use the words science and technology or R&D, but this would exclude the social sciences, humanities and arts. The word research is also closer to the German idea of Wissenschaft, the French recherch or the Dutch onderzoek.

if it's just for a main category, then you can simply make it. In fact, I've gone ahead and done it for you ("here's one we prepared earlier") Just add Category: Research policy to the bottom of the articles. BTW - this proposal's nothing to do with this page - this page is for proposals of stub categories and templates, and this doesn't seem to be connected with them at all. Grutness...wha? 01:11, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Support in principle but needs to be defined better.--Runcorn 21:31, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

{{sports-award-stub}} / Category:Sports award stubs

Don't have an exact count, but between the thousands of articles in Category:Sports stubs and its children and some that can be scraped up in Category:Award stubs, I have no doubt that I can find 60. --fuzzy510 22:52, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

{{moth-stub}}

WikiProject Lepidoptera has been instituted to guide Wiki-authors creating articles on Butterflies and Moths. The existing {{butterfly-stub}} is appropriate for butterflies and no changes are proposed. Moths, however, have no stub of their own. Considering the large amount of moth articles which are stubs (the required 30 and more are listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Lepidoptera/Moth Stubs), there is a definite need for a moth stub. As of today, the generic {{insect-stub}} (which itself is heavily overtaxed) is being used.AshLin 05:34, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the support. Since we have a backlog of work and images, I'll assume that no one has serious objections and go ahead and make the stub. Any contrary views are welcome and may be logged in the project talk page. Thanks again, and regards. AshLin 03:13, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Support; a moth stub has to exist. In addition do we have stubs for atleast the common orders of insects. hemipterans, coleoptera, diptera, hymenoptera. Insect stubs is overtaxed. --Viren 03:38, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
    • It's slightly oversized, but bear in mind that the goal is stub-sorting, not exact categorisation. But if someone wants to sort the orders that are over the size threshold (i.e., 60 articles, not 30: one stub type pleading per wikiproject, not a menu thereof), then fair enough. However, please don't create stub types before the discussion period is concluded. Alai 21:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
      • Your point regarding need to wait till discussion period is done is noted. Just for information, we have listed sixty plus stubs in the project page mentioned above. This was from the first few moth families. If we had completed trawling the entire moth families there probably would have been well over a hundred stubs listed. WikiProject Lepidoptera now has its requirement of stubs and templates and unlikely to need anymore. Do visit our project page and give us your valuable comments please. AshLin 02:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
        • From the context I suspected that was the case; nor was I by any means insisting on a complete list, just an indication the likely pop. was indeed at least 60. Alai 02:39, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

{{pest-control-stub}}

Wikipedia seems to be very poor in this area, which covers specific pests - including diseases and weeds, pesticides, other plant protection methods etc. There are several hundred pesticides, dozens of bio-control agents, many thousands of pests, diseases and weeds, most of which have no entries yet, those that do need expanding. I can see several subcategories. This whole area needs real work. (Ideally I would prefer a plant protection stub but there is no plant protection article and I'm not sure I am up to writing one).

And here is a list of 50 Septoria Leaf spots Strobilurin Triazole Rust (fungus) Pyrenophora teres Blumeria graminis Uncinula necator Fusarium Downy mildew Sooty mold Karnal bunt Ustilago Quinoline Pyrethroid Organophosphate Rotenone Aldrin Aldicarb Bacillus thuringiensis European and Mediterranean Plant Protection Organization Pesticides Safety Directorate Molluscicide Nematicide Fumigation Scale insects Botryotinia Botrytis cinerea Black Sigatoka Thrips Cutworm Beet armyworm Common furniture beetle Death watch beetle Weevil Black vine weevil Wheat weevil Degree day Beneficial insects Pesticide side effects Indian meal moth Sulfuryl fluoride Insect trap Clubroot Fusarium ear blight Mycotoxin Erwinia Pesticide resistance Syngenta Blackleg I think many crop articles (e.g. Barley) ought to have a pest control section as well but I’m not sure that’s the correct use of a stub

Maccheek 22:24, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

{{US-mall-stub}} / Category:United States mall stubs

{{US-struct-stub}} needs trimming down and this stub, scoped to include shopping center as well as malls, has about 78 articles. Crystallina 03:07, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Support Green caterpillar 12:10, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

{{defunct-US-stadium-stub}} / Category:Defunct United States stadium stubs

It's a definite starting point to thin out the beast that is Category:United States stadium stubs. If anyone needs me to, I'll make a list - I don't think Stubsense will help on this one, since woefully small numbers of defunct stadiums are actually tagged as such, but having both sorted through US structure stubs and tried to expand some of the stadium stubs, I have to believe there's at least 60 in there. --fuzzy510 00:29, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm amazed that this isn't attracting the disapprobrium my proposals to split the stadia did, but I have some doubts on this myself. How would they be "tagged" as defunct? There's no existing template for that purpose, right? Secondly, this seems to be an axis the perm cat is not split on, as opposed to the three that it is. This would introduce yet a fourth, and fail to "follow the permies". Alai 20:58, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
"Defunct" might not be the right word or term for it. Perhaps "closed" is better? The point is to siphon out the stubs for stadiums that aren't currently housing anything, whether they are shut down or razed. If you ask me, this is one of the only ways to do it. Classifying by what sports the stadia hold is a disaster waiting to happen, since we'll having dozens of stubs correctly double-tagged, since there are stadiums that host hockey and basketball, American football and football, et cetera. The categories would probably need to be split again fairly soon simply because the children will have also become overpopulated. As far as the split axis is concerned, that's an oversight on my part that I completely missed. I'd therefore like to see a tag for closed stadia in general, and if the numbers allowed for it (which I think they would), a child tag for closed U.S. stadia. --fuzzy510 00:56, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Comment I'd prefer "closed" --Runcorn 21:29, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

{{wargame-stub}}

Child of Category:Game stubs; Parent of Category:Warhammer 40,000 stubs. A lot of Category:Game stubs and Category:Board game stubs really ought to be in this category (it's the latter that concerns me). A quick google search suggests about 190 potentials; I'll check more thoroughly if wikisign comes back. Percy Snoodle 14:33, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

{{roma-stub}}

Create {{roma-stub}} in for almost all the items in Category:Roma. -- TheMightyQuill 08:53, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, if you include the sub-categories Category:Roma culture, Category:Roma ethnic groups, Category:Romani language, Category:Roma music, and Category:Roma people (which don't all need their own stubs), there are just shy of 70 articles. I'm not sure how many are stubs, but I think if you check, the great majority of them are. -- TheMightyQuill 14:59, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose. By my count, there are about 55 articles tagged as stubs in the non-Holocaust categories, and many of them are double- or triple-tagged, which inflates that number. If that's completely accurate, which I believe it is, I don't think it's really necessary. --fuzzy510 00:15, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Isn't there a way to get an accurate count? I tried various google searches, but I can't figure out how. -- TheMightyQuill 14:38, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
It's not always a completely accurate result, but Stub Sense is a good starting place. --fuzzy510 19:14, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Not accurate all:
  1. Aven Amentza
  2. Budeşti
  3. Civil Union "Roma"
  4. Dazdie
  5. Decade of Roma Inclusion
  6. Deponia
  7. Devla
  8. European Roma Rights Centre
  9. Euroroma
  10. Flag of the Roma people
  11. International Romani Union
  12. International day of the Roma
  13. Paul Polansky
  14. Roma Democratic Social Party
  15. Rudolice nad Bílinou
  16. United Roma Party of Kosovo
  17. World Roma Festival
  18. World Romani Congress
  19. Csárdás
  20. Museum of Romani Culture
  21. Đurđevdan
  22. Gypsy Lore Society
  23. Dom people
  24. Gitanos
  25. Gurbeti
  26. Kalderash
  27. Lovari
  28. Machvaya
  29. Romanichal
  30. Romnichal
  31. Rusurja
  32. Sinti
  33. Ursari
  34. Angloromani language
  35. Caló (Spanish Romani)
  36. Carpathian Romani language
  37. Domari language
  38. North Central Romani
  39. Romani alphabet
  40. Romano-Serbian language
  41. Tarish language
  42. Vlax Romani language
  43. Cocek
  44. Gypsy jazz
  45. Jazz manouche
  46. Taraful Haiducilor
  47. Augustine Bearce
  48. Azis
  49. Diego El Cigala
  50. Ian Hancock
  51. Vlastimil Horváth
  52. Raby Howell
  53. Ibolya Oláh
  54. Lívia Járóka
  55. János Bihari
  56. Jimmy Marks
  57. Panna Cinka
  58. Romica Puceanu
  59. Džej Ramadanovski
  60. Roma in Mitrovica Camps
  61. Viktória Mohácsi
  62. Roma minority in Romania
  63. Roma in Spain
  64. Ion Voicu
I can't believe I just wasted that much time going through the category manually. Anyway, even if you discount the couple possible mergers, it's more than 60. So, can I have the stub? -- TheMightyQuill 20:42, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey, sometimes that's what it takes. Seeing as how I've been proven wrong, change vote to support. --fuzzy510 21:17, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I made it, but I'm not sure where on Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Stub types it should go. Any ideas? -- TheMightyQuill 13:18, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Under {{ethno-stub}}? Conscious 13:23, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


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