Talk:Japan national football team
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Current players
Why are Mike Havenaar and Robert Cullen "current players" even though they haven't played a single match for the senior side? Also, now that the final squad of 23 has been announced, does it make sense to replace the current list with the World Cup squad? Ytny 14:27, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
China a "principal continental rival"?
I don't see by what standard China could be considered a "principal" rival.
- As of April 2006, FIFA ranked Japan at 17th in the world and China at 66th. [1]
As flawed as the FIFA rankings may be, they do provide a good measure of roughly where each team stands internationally and it is the only official, quantifiable method of comparing nations. 66th is nowhere close to rivaling 17th.
- China has not had comparable success in the Asian Cup.
Like Japan, Iran is a three-time champion at the Asian Cup. Korea is a two-time winner. China has not won it once.
- China has not had any international success.
Iran will be making its third appearance at the World Cup in 2006, Japan its third (once as host) and Korea its seventh (once as host). Each of the three team has at least one victory in the finals, while China has yet to score a goal or record a draw. For this year's World Cup, China failed to advance beyond the preliminary stage of qualifying.
- Head-to-head records
Since 1990, Japan has a record of 6 wins, 2 draws and 2 losses against China. Against Korea, Japan is 6-4-8 during the same span, and 3-2-3 against Iran. That is to say, Japan has matched up fairly evenly with Korea and Iran, while clearly having the upper hand against China.
I don't mean for this to be a take down of China's football program. I just want the above to be considered before calling China a "principal" rival of Japan. If there is a reason for doing so, it would have to be a pretty compelling one. "Principal continental rival" is a subjective designation, but I hope you can see why Korea and Iran belong, and China doesn't. Ytny 14:17, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Friendly results
I would agree that in 5 years time a friendly result may not matter but a 2-2 result against Germany is worth mentioning at the moment I think...Andycjp June 2006
- I have to disagree, and I don't know of any other national team article that mentions latest friendly results. I understand the result was a surprise to many fans but this isn't that noteworthy considering Japan actually has a decent record in Europe in recent years.
- Surprising results happen all the time and this match, at least on its own, doesn't really change anything for the team. Maybe if you put in proper context, say, Japan's recent struggles in friendly matches or its record against higher ranked nations, it could make more sense.
- Still, thanks for contributing and for discussing the issue. Ytny 06:16, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- I agree with Ytny. Friendlies are not mentioned and Japan has had better results with higher-ranked teams such as Brazil. In other words, this draw (though exciting for some) is not noteworthy in the article.--Sir Edgar 07:22, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
I agree that given Japan`s recent form the result against Germany wasn`t totally a surprise. But I still feel it would be useful for casual readers of Wikipedia to know of recent results, (for example Japan 1 Malta 0) without having to leave Wikipedia. The editors of the England team page seem to agree with me... Andycjp June 2006.
- Like I said above, I think mentioning recent results or form might make sense in proper context, but not on its own, or even a few recent results. And I think the England article serves my point, in that the results and fixtures sections are fairly comprehensive.
- But I also see that the article as a whole is more comprehensive than this one. So you end up with an article where you either have the results without context or a result section that takes up most of the article, and I'm not sure if either is that helpful. That said, I think we can make this article more complete, though it's much harder to find English-language source material for the Japanese team. Ytny 03:36, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Colours of the uniform
Why is the uniform of the japanese football team blue? 213.66.229.162 11:40, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
Match vs. Australia
The World Cup section should be about Japan's play during the World Cup Germany, but it focuses on the Australia match and totally reads like it was written from the Australian perspective.--Sir Edgar 02:21, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- I tried to redress some of what you say by adding the parts about Kawaguchi's saves, plus connections with what has been said within Japan about how they need to improve in certain areas ("shooting the ball").
- The problem is that most that it is more likely for native English speakers (i.e., Australians) to visit this site and make contributions like this item, than for Japanese supporters to do so. I think the author who initiated this part also just cut and pasted his report in more than one article. That is he might have originally intended it for an Australian article and just figured he would kill two birds with one stone and copy it here.
- The focus on the first match is probably due to the let-down after giving away that match so badly in the last moments. And a lack of time, now that the World Cup is well underway and people have so many matches to focus on. In time, this may change. Especially, if Japan pulls of a miracle against Brazil's substitutes and gets into the next round. I'd like to work on what you said but am not sure I can find the time for a while. I just might add something about Kawaguchi's stop in that early PKO, just to get things going. At the World Cup Yahoo! site it made Moment of the Day. And there was another diving stop of a Nakata shot from midfiled by the Crotian goalkeeper that deserves mention.218.218.61.59 20:04, 20 June 2006 (UTC)