Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television/Episode lists
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I just found this {{Digimon episode}} template that makes it easier to create an episode list of Digimon episodes. Perhaps we should create more general templates that do this for Lists part of this project ? - The DJ 12:09, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
- Hey that's cool! We have to get one of these in place. I'd do it myself but don't know how able I will be in the coming months. Don't count on it. Volunteers please! --Will2k 03:52, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- K, I've looked at it some more. I have created Template:Television Episode. I encourage everyone to stop in and get this up to snuff. Right now, it is a direct copy of Digimon episode.--Will2k 03:13, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- Hey, that's a great idea. Could we make it {{episode}} instead, just to make it a little shorter, and easier to code? I noticed that it currently doesn't exist, and I can't really think of any other area that would use this template... Also, It will need a table top and bottom, right? Say, {{episodetop}} and {{episodebottom}}. We've done this with {{MedalTop}} for Olympic medalists, and it's a great way of side-stepping meta-templates. tiZom(2¢) 06:14, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- For {{Digimon episode}} we did the top and bottom manually (as shown in Template talk:Digimon episode), but making a template that could define what headers and columns to include per show would be pretty useful. In episodetop template one could define if the list was going to use an alternative name column, and stuff like that. -- Ned Scott 06:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- I chose Television Episode to avoid any conflicts. But we can change it I suppose. What do others think?--Will2k 05:45, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- Glad to hear the template has inspired others! I'll happily help out if I can. -- Ned Scott 06:19, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- Hey, that's a great idea. Could we make it {{episode}} instead, just to make it a little shorter, and easier to code? I noticed that it currently doesn't exist, and I can't really think of any other area that would use this template... Also, It will need a table top and bottom, right? Say, {{episodetop}} and {{episodebottom}}. We've done this with {{MedalTop}} for Olympic medalists, and it's a great way of side-stepping meta-templates. tiZom(2¢) 06:14, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
debate on fair use of images for "lists of episodes" articles
I found this message on another user's talk page, and thought I would simply just quote it here. It seems the outcome of this debate will probably affect the usage of screen shots on all Lists of episodes type articles. -- Ned Scott 07:26, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- "Currently, there is a debate on Talk:List of Lost episodes regarding whether or not use of a 1/30th stillframe visual excerpt next to a list of audiovisual works (such as List of Lost episodes or List of Stargate episodes) is in accordance with WP:Fair use, and has even resulted in the protection of the page.
- If you have any opinions regarding fair use on the List of Lost episodes page, please feel free to express them as I believe these two pages are sister projects.
- Oh, and it seems the rest of the discussion has moved to Talk:List of Lost episodes/Use of images, though it still starts on Talk:List of Lost episodes. -- Ned Scott 07:27, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- I'm thinking this will all blow over and individual images for episodes will be still usable. In any-case, I think as the List of TV eps wikiproject, we should provide our own image usage guide with TV ep specific examples and with links to the more detailed fair use and image guidelines where appropriate. A criteria for what the image should include such as be identifiable, unique to the episode, and contain valid fair use rational on the image page, etc. With examples of how a good fair use argument should be from other image pages, stuff like that. Maybe make another subpage, like Wikipedia:WikiProject List of Television Episodes/image usage -- Ned Scott 01:41, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Proposed new name for WikiProject List of Television Episodes
Thinking about naming conventions and such, I think we should rename the project to WikiProject List of episodes. Episodes shouldn't be capitalized in the name, and we really don't need the word Television, since we can easily apply many of these same guidelines to radio episodes, webcasted episodes, straight to video episodes, etc. -- Ned Scott 10:24, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- It will also help avoid confusion between us and WikiProject Television episodes. -- Ned Scott 01:44, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
second template in testing
I've created Template:Japanese episode list using the old Template:Digimon episode as a guide, and incorporating some new stuff from Template:Episode list. The reason for a second template like this is I feel what makes these templates really useful is clearly labeled variables, such as "JapaneseTitle" instead of "AltTitle", and some unique formatting commonly found in Japanese (mostly anime) related list of episodes articles, such as "KanjiTitle". I think eventually both templates will be merge-able, as I believe there is a variable trick where more than one label can equal the same variable. In other words, you could use "AltTitle" or "JapaneseTitle" and it would work for the same variable on one template. This will really be helpful for using the "Aux1" and "Aux2" variables found in Template:Episode list. Although, like I stated before in Template talk:Episode list, it might be useful to have more than one template, for ease of use and to make it a less tempting target for vandals. Thoughts? -- Ned Scott 04:41, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
- Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Japanese episode list, seems to have caught on. Shortly after I applied the template to some articles, I was surprised to see how fast images and descriptions were written up once people saw an option for them. I think the idea of having a fill-out-able template will really help to build some lists of episodes. -- Ned Scott 07:34, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Spreading the templates
To help the Japanese version of the template take off I did a little bit of "advertising". I posted to applicable WikiProjects, as well as choose articles of new and popular animes to apply the template too, since they would be high in edit traffic and seen by many. I think if we do something like this for the normal Template:Episode list, it too will take off very fast. -- Ned Scott 07:34, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
hey there, some admin blocked the images in this list, can some of you guys help on this one? --mo-- (Talk | #info | 
) 23:44, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
- I just came across this, actually. And I came here to post a notice.
- To Muhaidib:
- It pains me to no end that these people are right. I've run into several of them before, and their comments have pissed me off too, but they are correct here. The fact is, these pictures just don't qualify as fair use. We need to realize that this project (wikipedia) has some severe limitations, and this is one of them. I'm not going to go over this conversation here, as it's listed in detail on the talk page.
- To everyone else:
- Please see Talk:List of Lost episodes/Use of images. We are going to need to change the format a little bit in this wikiproject to reflect this. And several pages are going to need to be changed as well. tiZom(2¢) 17:48, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry, but that is not the findings of this WikiProject, as well as many Wikipedians. We find that screenshots for List of episodes articles does qualify for fair use. We continue to encourage others to include screenshots when they feel it is useful for episode identification. Policy is not being debated here, rather, what is being debated is "do these images contribute to the article". How something contributes to an article is an opinionated matter, and can not be enforced as policy. -- Ned Scott 00:35, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- Please see Talk:List of Lost episodes/Use of images. We are going to need to change the format a little bit in this wikiproject to reflect this. And several pages are going to need to be changed as well. tiZom(2¢) 17:48, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
- I suppose I can see both sides here, and personally, I'd like to see the screenshots on the list pages. But when admins come and start blocking pages, I know it's a big deal. I'm sure that this is not going to blow over, and in fact, it will most likely lead to changes [probably by admins] in some of our other pages. What to do?? tiZom(2¢) 14:20, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- The only reason other admins who support the image use haven't stepped in is because no one wants some sort of admin war. We have lots of support for this, just keep people informed and get as many users as you can involved in these discussions. Many editors who work on lists of episodes don't even know about the Lost screen-cap debate. -- Ned Scott 05:44, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
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created WikiProject Banner, WikiProject LOE
I created {{WikiProject LOE}} to replace the generic banner template that was being used. Feel free to edit the descriptions and such. Also, the to do list is now linked to the banner, like in other WikiProjects. Enjoy -- Ned Scott 23:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
/structure
Wikipedia:WikiProject List of Television Episodes/structure needs to be updated a bit and cleaned up to reflect the formatting currently being used by the templates and such. I've started to edit some stuff, trying to stick with things that I think you'll all agree with. Feel free to revert, edit, reword, anything you don't think sounds right. Any major concerns should be brought to ether this talk page or to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject List of Television Episodes/structure. I think it's important that we still explain the article layout even without using templates. For one, it shows people what the templates are actually doing, in raw form, as well as giving editors a non-template option, if there be a need for it. In addition, I think we should strive to eventually get this, or something like this, into the Manual of Style as an official guideline, in which case we would have to explain all the formatting details.
In addition to the changes I made, there should also be a section about references, which is one requirement for Featured list status. I also think we should come up with some guidelines to help deal with lists that are embedded into their main articles and not big enough to split. Maybe even explore other formatting appearances that would still be acceptable, to give some additional options.
This should at least get the ball rolling. I think it might be a good idea to inform some other wikiprojects about the updates to get their input, since our membership is still pretty small. -- Ned Scott 02:40, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
- I also got to thinking, in having more than one possible layout, we should have a guideline for very small lists, ones that don't have a summary or image. A good example can't come to mind at the moment, but I'm sure there are many lists were it would be a mess to encourage summaries for each episode entry. Game-shows come to mind, but I don't really think they should even have a list with each "episode", as they don't really have... "episodes". Just a thought. -- Ned Scott 03:42, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Standard nonsense
My edit has been recently reverted by User:Ned Scott for being a new standard from Wikipedia:WikiProject List of Television Episodes [1]. I'd like to remind the point of wikiprojects: To colaborate on improving related articles. Not dictate what I can and can't do. I am not required to follow anything discussed here. I strongly suggests the wikiproject to avoid the aim of "standarising". --Cat out 20:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)