Help talk:Introduction to tables with Wiki Markup/1

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Help:Wikitable

Latest comment: 12 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Help:Wikitable (most recent version) was redirected to this page (MfD, decision: "Redirected to Help:Table/Introduction to tables. The content will remain in the history, if there's anything someone wants to merge.")

I don't think any merging has been done - just noting it here in case it's useful, and so the existence of the old page is not forgotten. --Chriswaterguy talk 02:47, 14 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Introduction to tables/2

It would be helpful to have the sample table, shown here in layout format, actually shown as it would appear. As is, it is not clear what exactly is text and what is formating instruction.--174.7.56.10 (talk) 01:01, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Sortable and collapsible?

Latest comment: 12 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I am working on the Dead Sea Scrolls article. Does anyone know if it is possible to create a table that's both sortable and collapsible? Mercy11 (talk) 12:39, 27 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Possible other sections

Latest comment: 9 years ago2 comments1 person in discussion

The tabs currently present are just the ones that Ironholds completed when he first made the page in 2012.

• Intro
• Creating tables manually
• Sortable tables
• HTML

At the same time were created stub pages for the following, though they were never completed and have now been deleted:

• Collapsible tables
• Colour
• Creating a table
• Other formatting
• Table placement

The above list is probably a bit too much detail, but if people have opinions for what the important topics to add the current set could be expanded. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)^talk 08:45, 1 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

Having though about it, I reckon 'HTML' should be renamed to 'advanced formatting', since that's the important part. We should also have a section on tools to convert spreadsheet data (e.g. CSV) to wikimarkup, since that'll be a pretty common requirement. T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)^talk 10:35, 5 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

NB: add Wikipedia:Advanced table formatting to eventual summary tab.

"Dumbing down" of guide

Latest comment: 9 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

@Evolution and evolvability: why are you removing lots of necessary detail from this guide? You're making more difficult to follow if anything, these details are very necessary to explain. Please stop from removing details, which in my view are very necessary. Also moving the basic markup to page 4 makes no sense to me. --Jules (Mrjulesd) 12:42, 6 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

Hi, I'll stop editing for the moment whilst we discuss. I've been trying to bring it into line with the level of detail of other "introduction to" pages. A lot of the inforation was repeated on multiple sections, and much of it was superfluous to a new user's understanding of how to actually use of romat a table. In the same way the intro to pages for references or editing don't explain how heading wikimarkup is really a set of HTML formatting. I reckon that that level of detail is better left to the more detailed help pages (e.g. [[[Help:tables]], [[[Wikipedia:Advanced table formatting]], Help:HTML_in_wikitext#Tables). What are your thoughts on what the intro to table pages should cover? T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)^talk 13:00, 6 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

I think it is best explained if we examine what's happened here:

1: too short on details for my liking. Why make the intro so short?

2: it is confusing to show alternate table formatting without some rudimentary explanation of basic markup, which has been moved to page 4.

3: No changes here really.

4: this table is too late in the explanation. Also no examples on that page, the user would have to flick between page 2 and 4 to see how these examples are used in practice.

5: Now I originated the "HTML and tables" section. The basic idea was to fully explain how HTML attributes are inserted into tables. Now you've removed some of the details, which as a new user I found extremely confusing. There is no explanation of inserting HTML attributes on single lines with multiple contents. There is no explanation of adding HTML attributes with contents on new lines. The purpose of this section has been subverted. You're adding other HTML attributes, which I feel is unnecessarily for this section as it complicates things. I deliberately used a single attribute to keep things simple. These should be added to a new section at the very least.

--Jules (Mrjulesd) 14:10, 6 December 2015 (UTC)Reply