Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Falling Into Difference

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The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 19:04, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Claims of notability ("profound impact on the Bristol music scene"; "widespread praise within the media") not verified. Google news search shows no hits for this band. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 15:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete NN band. ^TheWeak_Willed 17:23, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep FID are a well known up and coming band on the Bristol scene, although not as successful commercially as other Bristol bands, they have influenced bands such as IAMTHEDOOR and My Friend Friday, 2 of Bristol's leading lights in the unsigned scene. As a local promoter at a number of Bristol venues such as Mr Wolfs and the Louisiana, I can vouch for FID's importance to the Bristol scene and the UK unsigned scene as a whole. User: Dave Simpson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.123.249.228 (talk) 10:17, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment If citations can be provided to verify this impact, then they should be added to the article. The argument "They're notable because I say they're notable" doesn't really hold much water. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:14, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete My search for references to this band failed to turn up anything of substance Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 12:46, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Google news searches cannot be used to verify a band's influence. Although the band are unsigned, they have subjectively, of course, had an influence on other local bands that cannot be directly proved.User: Martyn Jones —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.54.182.212 (talk) 19:00, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Please refer to WP:V. Although a band may well have been a major local influence, if this fact can't be verified by reliable sources, then Wikipedia can't include it. I repeat my note above that your argument basically reduces to "They're notable because I say they are." That's not how Wikipedia works. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:37, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 01:34, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - there are no reliable sources writing about this band. Without these sources, claims that they are influential in the Bristol music scene are completely unverifiable. notability is not established. -- Whpq (talk) 16:22, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. The article claims that the band results from the breakup of a "supergroup" called Fate By Chance - which also has zero google hits. Possible hoax. bd2412 T 21:04, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Author of the article. Firstly, I wrote the article in good faith and as accurately as possible. I realise that the claims made must be reasonably substantiated, however in such an instance, this is difficult. Local bands (especially in that area) only receive comments and reviews in the local media, who only have a paper presence. Moreover, the band are relatively new, unlike the bands mentioned above by Dave Simpson (a reliable source by himself), who can be googled and have been influenced by FID. Aside from this, I am working on obtaining the direct references from the quotes I have used in the article, although this is a difficult process. I do aim to update the article as soon as possible to reflect this. Until then, I would hope the website I have provided within the article would serve to prove the authenticity, at least, of the band.User:FID-Fan —Preceding undated comment added 22:58, 22 August 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Comment Unfortunately, material published by local papers regarding local bands is generally not considered a reliable source. This is because, unlike major metropolitan, regional or national press outlets, local papers don't have the standards of fact-checking that the larger outlets do. Also, local papers are in the business of promoting local talent, so their coverage of local talent may well be skewed. Also, you argument about the band's influence seems a bit flawed: how can a relatively new band like Falling Into Difference have been such a major influence on older established bands? Influence generally runs from older bands to new bands, not the other way around. Also, the influence on IAMTHEDOOR and My Friend Friday may not be significant, because a Google search proves that those bands don't meet the Wikipedia notability criteria either. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:18, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete As Martyn Jones said. Verifibility of claim for satifying WP:MUSIC does not appear to exist. Duffbeerforme (talk) 07:32, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.