Talk:The Keys to the Kingdom
Other religious references? I'm sure the book is rife with that kind of allegory. --Aegwyn 02:42, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
The first five books in the series also have articles, but they are extremly short. I suggest that they be merged into this article, but I don't know how to post the suggestion.12.17.189.77 04:38, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
There's another page, entitled just "Keys to the Kingdom" that has this same information in a less "wikified" form. We might consider merging them and adding a redirect...
plot
most of the plot details are about Mister Monday. If this article is about the series, I think the plot should be rewritten to reflect that.
Proposed deletion of a section
I propose deleting the section "Speculation on future books using the Hero's Journey template" on the grounds that it is speculation, and thus has no place in Wikipedia. Does anyone agree, disagree?Emmett5 17:00, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
I Agree it only has MM not the rest--Eddy Dude 02:26, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
I also agree to delete the section. Bio 18:27, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Delete monomyth section?
I think it's kind of unnecessary because almost all literature in this genre follow the monomyth in some way. However, other articles don't point out how they follow the monomyth so I don't think it's necessary to do that here. Axem Titanium 23:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm not arguing against the monomyth section itself, but the speculation section, as it is about future books and Wikipedia is not a crystal ball.Emmett5 00:38, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
If you're not, I am. The monomyth applies to basically all fantasy books so it really isn't a necessary section. Vote for delete? Axem Titanium 02:18, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree with both you, Axem to a lesser extent. The speculative section shoud go, for that pure and simple fact that it is speculation. The Hero's Journey though I think could be commented on in say a Literary Structure or Structure section, or with plot but not to the extent it is. It is true that many novels follow this pattern, it is not true in all cases and I suppose is worth at least mentioning, but as I said not to this extent. --Aegwyn 14:13, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
The main section should stay (as it is), and it should be mentioned that it is possible to speculate on plot lines for the remainder of the series, but the whole speculation section should go. As fun as it is to speculate, this is the wrong place to do it. 81.131.76.185 16:27, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Right I;m removing the spulative section, we can figure out the monomyth here. --Aegwyn 12:45, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Fair call on the speculative section, however the Monomyth section is particularly poignant to the overall narrative to this series as it is so overwhelmingly blatant. Normally a Hero's Journey doesn't slap you in the face as hard. I wouldn’t be surprised if Nix is using this template to write the series as an experiment to see if using such archetype guarantees a crowd pleaser. --Mrogilvie 23:48, 21 June 2006
Virtues & Covers
I haven't had any comments on this yet, but I assume most would agree with the Virtue section I did a while ago? They seem to be the right ones for the right paragraphs. Also, Is it worth mentioning the significance of the book covers and the meanings in them, ie. The Keys, Will Paragraphs & the Denizens or creatures met pictured within, noting also the awards? --Aegwyn 14:19, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
- They look fine and they make sense. The books just didn't really emphasize the fact that the pieces of the Will had the Virtues too well. Axem Titanium 13:20, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Lady Friday / Lord Sunday - Middle House / Incomparable Gardens
Is there any part of the books that confirm Friday's precedence over the Middle House and Sunday's over the Incomparable Gardens? Sir Thursday confirmed Saturday's ___domain is the Upper House, but these two's parts of the House have never been mentioned. It is more than likely that it will be that way round as Sunday, in charge of everything, can't really be lower than Saturday in the House, but you never know... I think this should be marked as probable in the same fashion as lust, envy and pride being the sins of Friday, Saturday and Sunday respectively, as it has not been confirmed in the books. 81.131.76.185 16:24, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Definitly. Although the dominion's are probable, they are not canon. I will make sure that this is mentioned in the article, but you should feel free to make similar changes, anyone can edit Wikipedia, you need not be registered! Emmett5 03:12, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
I know I can edit pages, but I thought I'd check I hadn't forgotten a mention of their domains in one of the books. Clearly I hadn't. 81.131.76.185 14:02, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Actually you got it slightly wrong - Saturday was confirmed as the Upper House ruler in Sir Thursday (in the letter she sent Arthur). It is Friday and Sunday's dominions that are unconfirmed. I've changed the article accordingly. 81.131.76.185 14:09, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
An anon user reverted this change back to the orig. form, I changed it back to the old format that we agreed upon. Emmett5 15:12, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
The Incomparible Gardens are more likely to be Lord Sunday's ___domain, as Friday is inferior to Staurday, but still the Gardens are described as incredibly beautiful: this may reflect the beauty of Lady Friday. I've also heard somewhere Sunday reffered to as King, which means he cannot be lower than Saturday. it also is assumed that if the story is in a single week, then Saturday will fall bafore Sunday. You ideally go through the Middle house to get to the Upper house, and i don't imagine that Arthur will take on Sunday without the power of the other six keys to back him up and defend him. --Grim®™© 13:43, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
- When all's said and done, this is all complete speculation which doesn't belong on wikipedia. I haven't read Sir Thursday yet so I can't tell you anything about it but unless you talk to Nix himself and he specifically says something about this, it is speculation. Can somebody who knows remove anything that hasn't been directly confirmed by the books from the articles? Axem Titanium 16:24, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
It may just be speculation, but we can still talk about it here, right? I'm kinda fuzzy on the concept of no speculation on wikipedia pages. Bio 18:31, 18 September 2006 (UTC)