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Death by poisoning?
The poisoning by the Japanese over a period of time is a rumor. Some Chinese and his decendents believe this, but it is unsubstantiated. There are no facts to back up this rumor, but there are facts to show why this rumor occurred... Jaotsu 18:37, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
I have just removed the addition of info that Huo's death was due to "poisoning by the Japanese over a period of time". If anyone can find sources to back this up, feel free to add the information back in. — Kimchi.sg | Talk 04:47, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Yar there seems to be extensive vandalism in this page and silly POVishness 68.126.205.129 01:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
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Huo Yuanjia was posioned by the Japanese via invited tea drinking. The Russian, French and British were surely sore losers but it was the Japanese who could not admit defeat. One could say it was fear or politically induced, largely due to his agreed involvement in China's military training. This posed as a threat to the rising Japanese powers which eventually invaded and caused mass destruction and terror in China.
Thus here is another good question, 1910: Could China have still had a chance to hinder the oppressions to come had Huo Yuanjia not been poisoned? 155.245.123.127 23:02, 19 March 2006 (UTC) F. Chan ..............
- Ah, i notice that the source of this story appear to be Chin Woo Athletic Association. I don't think this is acceptable as a verified source.Vapour
- Yes, it is not acceptable as a verified source. The World Chin Woo Federation has a different version of history. (website temporarily down). jaotsu
Martial arts serves only to train one's mind and body. The political situation during that time in Shanghi and China are beyond one man's reach. Though he could have reinforced the nationalistic feeling in China, it is doubtful that Huo Yuanjia would be able to stop the attack on Shanghi.
Mizongquan
is the family style of mizongquan the same thing as mizongluohan that this article links to? There are quite a few chinese styles that share the same name, or similar names that are quite different from each other and unrelated. I can't be too sure of this. (also the spelling as my jhong is terrible!)
Was this an actual event?
"The 2006 Jet Li film Fearless (Huo Yuan Jia), described an event that took place on September 14, 1910. According to the film, this day is one of the most significant date in Huo's life. Ever since ... "
This refers to the movie Fearless, but did this even actually take place? or was it purely fictional? If it were fictional then a clearer wording should be used because right now it sounds like the event actualy took place, and was refered by the movie Fearless. I am currently trying to find some more info on this event. . . clragon 02:44, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
That was a fictional event from the film I think. There are a lot of colorful stories surrounding him in the public. For example someone told me that they read in a Chinese newspaper that Huo Yuanjia supposedly grabbed the Russian wrestler's wrist and threw him, but from what I've read, Huo only spoke with the Russian. If he really had a physical exchange, why didn't his great-grandson mention it in the interview? Shawnc 04:58, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Verifiable story in martial arts?
He "had caught one chance to end the fight, he stopped his one opportunity to deliver a death blow to his opponent realizing that he has caused enough deaths, the match ends anonymously, but Tanaka has realized who the true master of fighting was". This is a writing more fitting for a movie script than an encyclopedia. Vapour
I've marked this article as needing a cleanup. We need to clear out or verify all this nonsense that the Jet Li film is generating. -Romas-
Are all the information true?
i would like to know if all the facts and information are true and unbiased as it is important for people to know the truth. some people might even use this website for their research on huo yuan jia and in the end they use wrong and inaccurate information. so i like to double-check if all this information are accurate.
thank you
I have been researching as much as possible in both Asian libraries and on the internet. There are many rumors about his life that some people want to put down as fact which are totally untrue. I have been busy making corrections and removing any bias and correcting historic fallacies. According to what I have studied about his life and events, Huo Yuanjia would never be boastful and never demand anything. He would not brag about his skills - most of the myths and rumors you read about are perpetuated by the press and those who wish to make money regarding stories surrounding events in his life. He would never place blame on others or say or write anything bad about anyone regardless of whether it is true or if they deserved it. Huo Yuanjia believed that to gain superiority of one's self, this was the philosophy to follow and if everyone followed it, the country as a whole would prosper. This is a far cry from what you see in modern day China and what is being taught to the public as a whole. I believe if Huo Yuanjia was alive today, he would be very disappointed to see the state of martial arts and the failure of his teachings to students today.
Jaotsu 03:52, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Not gregorian
China wasn't using the Gregorian calendar in 1910 (and not really until 1929) and their year numbering system was IIRC a bit haywire, so "this before that" is probably more reliable than "dates" (which are translations).
Corrections made
People have been mixing myth, rumors, and unsubstantiated stories about Huo Yuan Jia. Corrections have been made to make his life history more accurate. Jaotsu 23:11, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Grammatical Correction
It read "a few months helping found..."
Now reads "a few months after helping found..." 128.61.137.240 20:33, 29 September 2006 (UTC)Carsonc
Grammatical corrections and events.
Grammatical corrections and verifiable events corrected. Jaotsu 21:43, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
You cannot learn to fight by yourself and his great humility
You cannot learn martial arts fighting just by doing forms. If you wish to learn to fight others succesfully you need to practice daily with another person. Thus, Huo Yuanjia could not of practiced by himself secretly for 10 years and become a champion fighter. The exclusion of his Japanese tutor is historically inaccurate.
Huo Yuan Jia would never "demand" any thing. He would ask because of his great and well known trait of humility. Jaotsu